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TSfabianz03
post Dec 26 2009, 04:40 PM, updated 16y ago

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Don't you think TM is too much by throttling YouTube connections ?
I mean , YouTube is an awesome site for sharing video's and it's gaining popularity since the day that site was launched.
Aren't we supposed to access these popular sites with ease ? Why cap it at 20KB/sec ? Even direct downloading their videos never pass 35KB/sec.
From what I see now they're like limiting our 'internet freedom' when they throttle the connection.
I'm not gonna mention RS or MU because when you normnally access those sites, you're probably doing *something*
But YouTube is TOTALLY legal to use.
How can they throttle our connection to YouTube ? The only problem we have now is we do not have enough proof to state that TM is actually throttling connections to YouTube.


If some forumers can gather some proofs, we can send them all to CFM , SKMM , MCMC etc.

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post Dec 26 2009, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(alexchew_2020 @ Dec 26 2009, 04:46 PM)
TM is main ISP in m'sia, packages is cheaper compare to others even their service are not so good. some more not much other competition on ISP compare to other company.
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Yes, TM is the main ISP in Malaysia, and that's the only not-so-but-kinda-big problem why our internet sucks comparing to some of our neighbouring country.
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post Dec 26 2009, 05:08 PM

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We need proof that TM is throttling the connection and I will send them to the authorities.
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post Dec 26 2009, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(tommyfai @ Dec 26 2009, 05:10 PM)
maybe u the unlucky who got capped.. i direct get 200 kb/s..
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What's your IP range ?


Added on December 26, 2009, 5:13 pm
QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 26 2009, 05:11 PM)
We have proof. Just open utube and it's throttled. Tmnut will discriminate against any application that uses lots of bandwidth even though it is not a p2p application.

Basically they want to maximize profit by minimizing peoples usage of bandwidth, even popular stuff like utube.... which to me is an unfair and illegal practice :/ But what can we do?
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But what happen if they give lame excuses like "your PC is infected with virus" , "there's something wrong with our undersea connection, maybe eaten by sharks".
I need more... Solid proof that they can't just give those lame excuses.
I don't have the ability to get the proof so I come here and ask for help and cooperation. biggrin.gif

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post Dec 26 2009, 06:08 PM

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So basically there's no solution to this problem ?
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post Dec 26 2009, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Dec 26 2009, 06:15 PM)
The video are not same mirror and some of it localize, thats why you didn't slow...

fabianz03, can you elaborate more which video you are watching slow...
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Almost every video I try to watch.
Some videos that are related to politics are even worst, maybe I'm mindset.
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post Dec 26 2009, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(lionelzc @ Dec 26 2009, 06:58 PM)
Malaysia government love to compare oil prices with other country but never internet and car prices.

The funny thing is that we got broadband first before Finland but now Finland has at least 22 mbps as average.

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploa...10/netspeed.gif
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And the price per 1Mbps is USD$2.77 in Finland.
Which is RM9.50249 or RM9.50 when converted to the Malaysian Ringgit.

Sad, sad.
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post Dec 26 2009, 07:31 PM

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Uh, gentlements, sorry to interrupt but this thread is about gathering proof of TM throttling YouTube connections. blush.gif
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post Dec 26 2009, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Dec 26 2009, 07:48 PM)
I think nothing wrong with TM u should FAKAP other ISP who enforced limitation on data transfer per month
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Now that's kinda rude. sad.gif
Maybe you don't use YouTube that oftenly. I use it almost everyday...
And since the first day it started slowing down, I went haywire.
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post Dec 26 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(fromktn @ Dec 26 2009, 08:14 PM)
try to use google dns 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
i use quite fast for loading
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I'm actually using Google's DNS now.
Still slow.
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post Dec 26 2009, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Dec 26 2009, 08:52 PM)
Please complain to CFM, seems you have been limit by TM Net, maybe they watch your bandwidth usage...

Yup, what else to say, we "Malaysian people" already rise up the matter, but still, they always compare with others, why don't just improve and follow what peoples needs. For what being Malaysia maju by 2020, if like this...
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Nope, I still can direct download at full speed, but only for YouTube, it gets ridiculously slow.
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post Dec 26 2009, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Dec 26 2009, 08:56 PM)
Can you show your bandwidth graph comparing direct download vs youtube bandwidth... Full speed, mind to elaborate which package... and actual speed?
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I'm not really free now, but I can provide you some info.

Direct download normally spins between 90KB/sec to 109KB/sec. (full speed for me)
YouTube spins between 176Kbps to 365Kbps (from what I see in the bandwidth graph)

1Mbps package, registered on 2007, Merdeka package.
Actual speed - 0.88Mbps, never pass that speed because port is capped dead on 1024Kbps.
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post Dec 26 2009, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Dec 26 2009, 09:04 PM)
Seems normal... mind to elaborate your network and OS and browser setting. Have you made any changes (Manual configurations perhaps)?
What about this... (Find it via your router root admin access)
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Network setting - everything normal, using Google's DNS.
OS - Win7 Build 7600
No changes were made.

Downstream Margin: 31
Upstream Margin: 20
Downstream Line Attenuation: 34
Upstream Line Attenuation: 12

My line is perfectly fine but only slow for YouTube.
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post Dec 27 2009, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(Chyan @ Dec 27 2009, 12:53 AM)
Hey y'all, today I've encounterred numerous problems.
Either good or bad, it's both.

The good thing is, youtube streams smoothly for a 35mb video, wait it to buffer for just a minute.
But when I try direct downloading it via IDM, the speed is just like what TS said, doesn't get pass through 35kb/s.  I find it rather odd.

Then I used a proxy site to access YT (hidemyass.com|kporxy.com)
Stream improved a bit and direct download is maxed out at 120kb/s.

As for now, miraculously, the ddl speed improved. It's excruciating. DX

Btw i've seen some relation to the dl servers too
IE: http://r4.hkg1.c.youtube.com
The one bolded is different one in a while. I think that affects too.
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Hi there Chyan,
for your info., today is Sunday, which is a 'off day' for throttling for TM.
Weird but it really happens.

Jessica looks good on your avatar btw.
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post Dec 27 2009, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(pengiranijam @ Dec 27 2009, 11:57 AM)
Humph, but still P1 still suffering to their customer... snails and high pings... doh.gif

Try view youtube video like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTxFRapOHIM still buffering?
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Can't test today, because today is a 'off day' for throttling.
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post Dec 28 2009, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Fantasia @ Dec 28 2009, 12:29 PM)
other than P1, still got what else?
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post Dec 28 2009, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(mylinear @ Dec 28 2009, 07:05 PM)
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5. If TM is using file extension to do throttling, this is not a good method at all. It is not only YouTube that streams videos. There are regular websites that may have videos too to promote their own product and services. These will be affected too.
Can others comment on the above? Is there another explanation? What else apart from throttling can cause such a result?
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First of all I would like to thank you for spending your time on this. I really appreciate your work.
Well, if we put throttling aside, the problem maybe bad routing. And currently the AAG cable is down.

Lastly I will keep your work for future refference.
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QUOTE(mylinear @ Dec 28 2009, 07:33 PM)
As I tested on a local server, this is not international routing. Unless TM own local network has problems. But I don't think so. There is no problem when I test the route to the local server. Also, from the same server, one file can download without problem, but another cannot. So its not routing.

AAG does not come into play. I don't even think that the AAG link is being used for us as I don't see the tracerts have changed recently to show this.
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Thanks, from what I see YouTube is being mirrored locally now.
The latency are too low for international routing.

CODE
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Fabian>ping www.youtube.com

Pinging www.youtube.com [64.233.181.139] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=49
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=140ms TTL=48
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=49
Reply from 64.233.181.139: bytes=32 time=47ms TTL=48

Ping statistics for 64.233.181.139:
   Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
   Minimum = 47ms, Maximum = 140ms, Average = 70ms

C:\Documents and Settings\Fabian>


Which leads to a conclusion that chances that TM is throttling YouTube is high.
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Dec 28 2009, 08:56 PM)
Evidence or not, we still have to report en mass to MCMC before they will take this matter seriously otherwise they will just dismiss it as typical difficult to please user problems.
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This matter is really really serious.
Even the govt have their own YouTube channel. As well as our Prime Minister Dtk. Sri. Najib.
How can we, the people watch these videos when YouTube is throttled ?

Nope, I am not supporting either of them but for the sake of the supporters, they can lose votes !
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post Dec 28 2009, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(automan5891 @ Dec 28 2009, 09:16 PM)
lol I posted about this.

Youth leaders to air views on YouTube http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1267695&hl=
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Youth leaders, right.
The future of Malaysia, looks like it's kinda 'slow'.

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