at 0.25 time.. quite misleading when the image is shrunk to depict loss of resolution.. LOL... the loss of resolution comes from inter frames not from pixels being shrunk in resolution..

[quote=accs_centre,Dec 10 2009, 09:03 AM]
50% off for 2nd decoder wont apply to new HD service..as different subscription fees, decoder used, etc

50% off monthly fees for 2nd decoder where can i get now? I also like to get the Thomson decoder with Digital audio out & Component (3 cables). I would like to get it soon too.

after watching that video, finally i understand that actually 720p is more better than 1080i... because LCD/Plasma was designed for progressive scan videos...
and i also feel a bit shocked that 1080i was placed at the bottom of 720p... ... anyway, thanks for posting that video... before this, i always set my dvd-player to output 1080i..., not 720p... so now, will always set my dvd player to 720p

the day has come....we will see the info anytime...just surf for the info..

bro kianwee.....
nice video insert,
actually i thought of hearing the background music from your guitar strumming too.. haha

i've thought of it long ago, that 720p shud be better than 10801,( just no details ) cause its progressive scan,
but i still use 1080i haha haha somehow or rather just dont accept only

will try out next time again, i tested wit the dvico last time, NOW maybe with BD-Player

gracias for that lovely presentation.. just no background music thats all

This post has been edited by moomoos: Dec 11 2009, 08:56 AM

huhuhu, this proves that some people here don't know sh1t and just trying to act pro. Finger point to ecam. 720p is always better than 1080i. That's the fact.

Well today is the day. I even stayed up hoping the byond website goes up on Astro site. Till this morning nothing was updated.

Maybe Screamyx is throttling Astro websites too.

hmm... maybe they will launch the website after the official PC today....

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Added on December 11, 2009, 9:28 am but i think, i don't act like pro here...

This post has been edited by AjkR06: Dec 11 2009, 09:28 AM

One word to add to the 1080i vs 720p debate.

If u have a good deinterlacer 1080i can produce a stunning picture as well. Deinterlacing 1080i is not as easy as it seems. Given a good deinterlacing chip (ie, ABT2010, HQV Reon) you would be hard pressed to tell which is better. Where it is normally seen as better for 720p broadcasts would be for fast moving sports. For movies, if your display has a good deinterlacing chip, u shd be good to go. Or of course if u have a AVR or external scaler/deinterlacer (Lumagen, Crystalio, DVDO) it would yield very good results.

The main problem with all HD broadcasts are bit rate compression. That is what you guys/gal shd worry abt. Astro is notorious for that....

Well said Astro is notorius in compression and a Asian Expert when comes to compressing Tecnology

That is true. On Astro, the Asia Food Channel looks good but on the other hand Cinemax looks like shit as if you are playing movies off the VCD.

History Channel also look good on my LCD...

that 720p vs 1080i didn't take into account 1 thing...

and was waiting for you to remind people about deinterlacing..

all DVDs are interlaced as NTSC or PAL

say for example 640x 480i DVD source deinterlaced to 480p with a good deinterlacer is way better than any super hi-bit rate 320x240p (half rez) video...


on stationary /static video, 1080i-50/60hz can replicate 1080p 24 if all the flags are inserted correctly..

on slowing moving video the edges of the moving object will be affected.. stationary background can equate to 1080p video...

on fast moving scenes, like sports, then it will have 20-30% loss in quality (and awful combing effect) and have to rely on motion adaptive deinterlacer to work it's magic

anyway more details here...

http://www.100fps.com/

I thought all flat panel displays today have inbuilt deinterlacers, which will convert from your 1080i to 1080p internally. In theory, that should give us more details as opposed to 720p, assuming that your display is capable of 1080 resolution.

previously the quality of deinterlacers are not so good.. but I think now even standard chips used in TV sets have pretty good deinterlacers.. havent seen much combing effect on TVs playing interlaced video for a long time..

nowadays if want to see combing effect, need to use PC with media player software and turn off all the deinterlacing.. then only can see it.. usually on those 1080i .TS broadcast video files..

Very true. However, not all have good deinterlacers.

One good example would be the Panny X and S series. They do not handle interlaced signals well....And most people in Malaysia have these sets and will complain when they get the Astro HD saying that the image is not as sharp as the expected....

ar188,

Most is correct. However, some entry level displays do not have decent deinterlacers....eg the Panny that I mentioned...

the beginning and the end of the sorrowfull....painless.... suspense..... wait for astro HD news

called up my frendly astro retailer.

word is not launch yet, just receive the demo set, havent installed also, and dont know how's the procedure like....

so nothing is officially confirmed yet

hi anfieldude,
mine display is an older model panny 50" hd-ready (1366x768) 50pv80h so i guess it should have an inferior deinterlacer, although i have yet to test it out myself. now, if astro is going to broadcast in 1080i instead of 720p, then all the more reason for me to skip it although i still hate to see the aspect-ratio distortion (fat and short people like me).

for me, i have a media player set up such that i can only spend rm470 for a 1.5tb loaded with hd stuff which should have hundreds of titles - no need astro hd for me!

I think the pv80 was better at deintelacing.

Also, I don't think people shd skip it. It is still a big step up from the less than 576i that we get from Astro now.

What I was trying to get across was that the difference between 720p and 1080i has more to it than the i and p and the 720 and 1080. It depends on your setup and more importantly how Astro is going to compress the bitrates. That will be more important that the i,p, 720 and 1080 debate....