hi all,

need advise. my plaster ceiling work just completed two days ago. no paint yet. still waiting for it to dry up completely before start paint works.

i'm getting mixed advises from different ppl so far...to paint ceiling with

a) just Emulsion
b) Emulsion + 2 coat top coat paint (i plan to use ICI Pentalite)
c) 2 coat paint (ICI Pentalite) straight away

they say any one will give similar result. but emulsion only, in layman term, is translated literally to 'dust-water' by contractor & hardware guy...sounds a bit bleak....

altho cost of emulsion, say Nippon Super Matex white is only RM60-70 per 20L can, what i'm concern most is the labor cost. Currently, my agreement with the reno contractor is he provides labor & i provide all the paints. there's no mentioned how many coat of paint is included in the labor works. If i take option B, i.e. emulsion + top coat, means there's gonna be 3 coat to the ceiling. typically, labor is based on 2 coat works is it? what are the pros & cons of option A-C?

also, another headache...my reno contractor tell me no need to apply any undercoat or primer for my walls, cos there's already a layer of paint there. only need to apply at areas which was hacked & plastered back.

hardware guy tells me, to get the most out of paint, need to apply primer (maxilite, matex etc) all over, then only apply 2coats paint....only then will get the most of the paint, otherwise wont get the effect i wanted...colors wont stand out wor without primers & apparently, save more on actual paints if primers is used.

which guy telling the better truth? reno guy or hardware guy. i need an advise from neutrals cos reno guy might wanna cut his labor cost (no need paint so many times) and hardware guy might be trying to sell me more paints....dunno wanna listen to who...

any helps? thanks!

In proper way, it should be one coat of alkaline resistant sealer follow by two coat of pentalite

Definitely sealer first. Am now having issues where the original paint was so cacat that my paint gets scratched easily i.e. chair knock over the wall, the paint will chip.

It all depends on whether sealer was applied to the original paint....but I will bet it's a NO!

1. Just normal cheap emulsion will do..Unless you are very rich and wants the best of the best, then you can paint Pentalite on your ceiling..
Get the price of both 'fui-sui' and Pentalite..then compare both..you'll get the answer..and also normal 'fui-sui' is meant for ceiiling..

2. My answer will be both are wrong..
Contractor asked you not to apply primer because he wants to save time and works IMO..
And hardware guy, maybe that guy is more to hardware stuffs, so he might not be very familiar with paint..
If you want the best result, go for solvent-based sealer..tell the hardware guy "I want sealer la, not dust 'fui-sui' water la"..
All those Matex, Maxilite, Jotaplast, Koreton Plus all also cheap emulsion paint and is meant for painting ceiling..

This post has been edited by trdcelica: Jan 6 2010, 07:17 PM

finally, a sensible answer...i've just decided, for ceiling will apply 2 coats of emulsion..which is better? I believe its either Matex by Nippon or Maxilite by Dulux..

For walls..when going thru dulux catalog they recommend a kind of sealer for walls...i think i will go with that raher than emulsion...like u say which are meant fot ceiling more...i've also managed to get confirmation from my reno guy he will paint 1 coat primer & 2 coat paint...

Now going OT a little bit but still related to paint...i'm planning to install laminated flooring for my floors...and when i spoke to the flooring contractor he recommends that flooring works goes in before final paint works...they scared walls will be scratched during their installation works..

My reno guy however tells me the painting works will be quite dirty...so scared will damage the flooring...also since thy will put in protective plastics before start paint works, they will need to remove it for flooring works then put it back again for final paint works...

A little bit headache...the floor guy seems quite certain that his work will cause damages to walls.

Anyone with experience?mind share what is the best way to go about it?

Good to hear that you finally made the right choice..

Actually, to be frank with you, I wouldn't recommend ICI Dulux's primer or sealer to others because Dulux's sealers and primers are the most expensive..1 can of 5L will cost you rm 8x-9x but others only rm 5x-7x and 20L ICI costs 2xx-3xx whereas others costs 1xx-3xx...
My recommendation will be Sissons or Jotun..

usually they will do the flooring first, then only paint right?

Don't let those contractor bXXl SxxxT you, every one also want the easiest way to work.

ask the painter to paint the sealer & 1st coat of finish coat first, then ask the flooring guy to proceed & protect, last is the painter paint the final coat. the flooring guy come back to fix the skirting. each of them take half of the risk

of course you have to warn the flooring guy not to chin chai chin chai damage your wall lar, minor scratches shouldn't be any problem for the painter. on the other hand, tell the painter to be carefull on the finish floor, else they may pour whole drum of paint on the floor......

This post has been edited by skng03: Jan 7 2010, 08:24 PM

yes..i think this is one of the best ways..

friend , i am going to re-Painting Wrought Iron auto gate door
which materials shall i buy? anyone can share ur experience

i'm afraid its easier said than done...painter wanna be there shortest time possible finish their work & cabut...likewise, flooring works can finish within a day..dun think they wanna make a 2nd trip just to fix de skirting...plus u can ask them to protect floor but at the end, if the floor got screwed?who gonna take the blame? Floor guy will say he already protect floor paint guy say he already warn about possible damages to floor...

Anyways, after giving it much deeper thoughts, paintin works are more rough...more likely to cause more mess...while flooring works should be quite clean especially since there's very little knocking or hacking works, just a matter to putting all wood pieces together...if they really screw the wall finish then means they really not careful with their works...

I've discussed with my reno contractor & we both feel the painting works shud finish first before the floor work starts...after painting works, whole area will be cleaned up...easier for floor works...and in the worse case, really anything happen to the wall finish he will get the painter to come back & touch up...

Thanks for all replies anyways!

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Added on January 12, 2010, 1:08 pmjust bot the paints yesterday...i think a little bit on the high side...what u guys think?

1) Pentalite 'Amazing' 1L can - RM35
2) Pentalite 'Brilliant White' 5L can - RM100
3) Supreme 'O'Keefe Grey' 5L can - RM120
4) Pentalite 'Twilight Sky' 1L can - RM25
5) Maxilite White - 20L can - RM60

didn't know paint prices can be so high...but still cheaper than what was quoted to me by the reno/painter guy which was RM700 for 1000sq ft area (ceiling & walls) using Maxilite only.

will begin paint works tomorrow...hopefully able to complete by mid next week....

This post has been edited by daryl.k: Jan 12 2010, 01:08 PM

May I know what is the price for:

ICI Dulux Maxilite?
and the ICI paint for painting wooden doors and aluminium doors(can't remember the name)?

I bot Maxilite 20L - RM60

ICI paint for wooden door & alu (metal) - Satinwood (satin finish) or Gloss Finish - around same price as Pentalite

hi,

anyone heard/ use Orica paint b4? How is it? Quality?

anyone using jotun majistec optima before? how is the finishing? or got any better option compare to this?

I heard if use emulsion paint such as Matex or Maxilite on plaster ceiling, 1-2yrs later powders will fall from the ceiling?

according to a painter that i know, if plaster ceilling paint by other than emulsion paint like those pentalite, pearly glo etc, once moisture trap inside it will appear some bubble poping on plaster ceilling, any idea how true it is?

i trying to find jotun jotaplex paint for my gate wall,

ive checked at Living Depot near my home, this is the price i got :
Jotun Jotaplex, 5L, Bermuda (1632) = RM128
Jotun Jotaplex,5L, Cinnamon (J788) = RM97

they said the price is different bcos bermuda is new colour,

Any idea where I can find cheaper price around klang valley?

or cheaper different brand that has exact same colour bcos wan to match my house colour.

guys,

i am a newbies on painting.

First of all, going to paint my house (only interior wall living room+bed room) in 2 weeks time, really need good advice fr fellows here.

Secondly, I am living at south of peninsular, JB. if you could relate to area near me would be fantastic.

1) Is Jotun Strax a higer grade paint than Jotun Majestic or the reverse?
2) What's is the price range for Jotun Majestic Matt 5L and 1L?
3) Do i need to mix jotun paint with water/thinner? what's the ratio? or can I paint straight away from the tin?
4) Jotun paint is mostly mix/created with machine upon purchase, is such method of producing the paint really close to the catalogue color?
Does it depends on the skill of the person operate the machine?

5) Is Jotun Paint consider cheaper compare to Nippon/ICI Dulux esp in Johor or JB area?

thanks in advance for your advice. I am running against time.
wish i have found this forum thread earlier.

1) Yes, you could say so. But the Strax variant comes only in matt option. The Majestic has gloss, sheen and matt (more colour choices).
2) 5L tins are always cheaper than 1L. Price difference would be RM20-40 (1x 5L vs 5x 1L).
3) Always mix water based paints with water only. Ratio is <=10% of volume of paint depending on the final viscosity. Basically you dont need to mix with any water unless its a sealer.
4) The machine is 100% reliable. It wont mistakenly use a different colour mixture. Its idiot proof but you could always ask to open the tin of paint to check, as long as you havent paid then it can be exchanged.
5) Jotun should be cheaper as its a 'cheaper' paint. In terms of popularity, ppl would recognize Nippon & ICI Dulux more.

HI,

thanks for taking time to answer.

Painting project count down - 1 week to go after CNY. Hope all go well.

Go Xi Fa Cai everyones.

This is my year, i was born in tiger year. Yeah!

Btw, I got my at these price

Jotun Strax 5L for RM 81
Jotun Majestic 1L for RM 26
Jotun Citoprimer 09 1L RM 29
Nippon Vanilex 5L for RM 85 (a bit exp I think)
Nippon 9000 Gloss for RM 105 (very exp I think)

What do u think? Is the price reasonable. If it is exp, I will not go back and nuy fr them bcos i still havent got all my paint yet.

Btw, paint is brought in JB area.

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Added on February 6, 2010, 10:20 am1) I need further advice on above, if i mix my paint with water, will the original colour become paler/lighter?

2) For the jotun citoprimer 09 i brought, just paint out from the tin? no mixing with water needed?


This post has been edited by retroman: Feb 6 2010, 10:20 AM