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post May 1 2006, 08:20 AM

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me and another forummer here "Ray78" was busy yesterday with getting into Service Mode for the Sony DB29M61. here are what the info we have manage to get so far.

the website for Sony Service Mode Info: NTSC Version, PAL Version
another useful website Service Mode

do note this website are for different set of model, but still works for DB29.

SERVICE MODE WARNING: Without proper documentation and training, you can probably do quite a good job of messing up your television set, perhaps even damaging it.

Don't mess around with the service mode adjustments unless you know what you're doing and have the service manual to guide you.

Once you enter service mode the first thing you should do is record all the original values BEFORE you change anything! - This is the only way to restore the television to its original (factory default) state should it become necessary to do so.


to enter Service Mode you have to press in your remote [PWR OFF] - [DISP], [5], [VOL+], [PWR ON].
the [DISP] button is the button that have the icon of [i+] and [?] in your remote. the button pressing timing is very important. press [PWR OFF] and wait for 1/2 second then quickly press [DISP], [5], [VOL+], [PWR ON]. if you done it correctly you will see some green line of number and character in your upper part of the TV.

now that you are in Service Mode, use button [1] and [4] to scroll next or back. when you found the setting that you want to change, use button [3] and [6] to change the value to be more or less.

IMPORTANT: I strongly suggest that before you adjust anything, you step through all the parameters and write down their current settings value in a piece of paper, so that you can undo any changes you make if you need to. Once the setting have been save to the EPROM, there is no way to find the Default Value back.

so far i have changed 2 values for fixing the left and right side of overcan. this are:
DEF2 014 HSZ0 000 --- to --- DEF2 014 HSZ0 -06 -for squeezing the pic
DEF2 000 HPOS 028 --- to --- DEF2 000 HPOS 030 -for moving the pic to left or right
with this change i manage to get the blue line on left and right in GRAW to appear.

Ray78 also found this setting to make wide screen stretch to become 4:3.
DEF1 VSIZ 039 -change the value to strecth or squeeze the pic.

VERY IMPORTANT: Getting back to the Before-I-Screwed-With-It EPROM defaults.

You can't. That is why you should write down all the default values as they are now


once we have change all the value now is time to save the setting to EPROM. the website tell us to press [MUTE] and then [ENTER]. but we couldn't find which is [ENTER] button. sweat.gif pressing the [CONFIRM] button didn't works. Ray78 have finally figure out to substitute [ENTER] button with [0] button to make it works. rclxms.gif

VERY VERY IMPORTANT: Writing to the EPROM will allow changes to survive unplugging the set. Hold the piece of paper upon which you wrote down the old EPROM settings in one hand. (If you haven't written down the original settings, you can still return to the old settings at this point by turning the set off and pulling the plug.) With the other hand, press the [MUTE] button once. The word "WRITE" appears on the screen. This is your last chance to back out. Press the [0] button once. The color of the word "WRITE" changes to "RED". Your changes have now been saved to EPROM.

Please don't mess around with the service adjustments unless you know what you're doing! Remember, if something goes wrong, don`t save the adjustment! Just unplug the TV and plug it back in, and any unsaved adjustments will be restored to their factory presets. Also, the TV will be out of service mode now.

I strongly recommend that you get the SAMS or Sony service manual for your TV before you change any settings.

As you modify settings, record the factory preset values so that you may return to them if something goes wrong. Also, record your new values, in case they aren`t saved properly. Nominal values are listed below for most settings below. And, please, please, please, don't mess with the ID-x settings! These are different for every chassis, so the nominal values below won't probably be valid!


if anyone founds anymore setting to get a better display, plese post here so we can share2 icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 1 2006, 04:41 PM

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hi guys. my tv doesn't come with a dvi or vga input.
are there any ways that i can get an external adapter to connect my cpu to my tv. i'm too fed up with the s-video quality.

so my question here is . is there any vga adapter that can connect to my tv that doesn't have one.
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post May 1 2006, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Voonz @ May 1 2006, 04:41 PM)
hi guys. my tv doesn't come with a dvi or vga input.
are there any ways that i can get an external adapter to connect my cpu to my tv. i'm too fed up with the s-video quality.

so my question here is . is there any vga adapter that can connect to my tv that doesn't have one.
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well, you can change your tv tongue.gif

what model are your tv? does it support HD? if it doesn't, then getting video signal in S-Video is the best possible way for your tv. even if there's a VGA Adapter, it will still need to be convert to S-Video, thus you are back with the same video quality.

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post May 1 2006, 10:31 PM

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Sony Grand WEGA KF-WS60A1

it is HD ready but no DVI or VGA input. that's the sad part dispite it's screen size.
so i uess the only way for a sharper scrren is to get a better graphic card then =(
$$$ again.
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post May 1 2006, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Voonz @ May 1 2006, 10:31 PM)
Sony Grand WEGA KF-WS60A1

it is HD ready but no DVI or VGA input. that's the sad part dispite it's screen size.
so i uess the only way for a sharper scrren is to get a better graphic card then =(
$$$ again.
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wow, super expensive tv. then you'll need something like this DVI to Component Video Adapter. if you found it in our local store be sure to let me know, coz i also want it. smile.gif
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post May 2 2006, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 1 2006, 11:15 PM)
wow, super expensive tv. then you'll need something like this DVI to Component Video Adapter. if you found it in our local store be sure to let me know, coz i also want it. smile.gif
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ohh why don't you do a bulk of it ? =p
then we can all get it for a cheaper price then thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post May 2 2006, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(Voonz @ May 2 2006, 12:21 AM)
ohh why don't you do a bulk of it ? =p
then we can all get it for a cheaper price then  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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no experience in doing bulk. need someone with more experience thumbup.gif

EDIT: found this on eBay 6 FT HDTV DVI to RCA Component Cablearound RM38.07, quite cheap.

This post has been edited by xxboxx: May 2 2006, 01:16 AM
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post May 2 2006, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(mikelee @ Apr 29 2006, 12:52 AM)
Sony KV-DB29M61 which is HD-ready and capable to produce video quality in 1080i/720p/625p/576p/525p/480p/480i.
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Thanks Mikelee.
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post May 2 2006, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 2 2006, 12:44 AM)
no experience in doing bulk. need someone with more experience thumbup.gif

EDIT: found this on eBay 6 FT HDTV DVI to RCA Component Cablearound RM38.07, quite cheap.
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i don't think he provide shipping out of states =(
anyways i won't be getting it 1st. my current gfx suck ass
gotta get a better one 1st
pls pm me if u're gonna buy. maybe we can get discounts if more ppl buy it
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post May 2 2006, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Quasi-Suave @ May 2 2006, 09:11 AM)
Thanks Mikelee.
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Sure! I think thats the best and cheapest HD ready TV available out there (others all RM4k++ sad.gif ). However its quite bulky and needs a lot of space to put it. However if u can, fork out another RM529 to get the matching tv rack.
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post May 3 2006, 08:34 AM

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Sorry for the late reply, Quasi-Suave.

Most people here will swear by the Sony DBM - and with good reason. FYI, I'm using the Philips Pixel Plus 2 29" CRT - with support for 480i/p, 576p and 1080i (sorry no 720p, although from what I've read no CRT really supports that mode). I got it for RM 2300, and I guess I picked it solely for the Pixel Plus 2 mode. Like the Sony, it's bulky and weighs about 72 kg - so get a friend to help you if you can.

Good luck on your HDTV selection!
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post May 3 2006, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 3 2006, 08:34 AM)
Sorry for the late reply, Quasi-Suave.

Most people here will swear by the Sony DBM - and with good reason. FYI, I'm using the Philips Pixel Plus 2 29" CRT - with support for 480i/p, 576p and 1080i (sorry no 720p, although from what I've read no CRT really supports that mode). I got it for RM 2300, and I guess I picked it solely for the Pixel Plus 2 mode. Like the Sony, it's bulky and weighs about 72 kg - so get a friend to help you if you can.

Good luck on your HDTV selection!
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Lord_Ashe,

No worries. Appreciate your response.

I generally do like Phillips' products. I have also checked Sony DBM's spec that shows it supports 720p. Guess the best way is to check out the actual TV performance (both the Sony and the Philips). If I understand correctly, the Pixel Plus 2 technology smoothens the picture quality right? Does Sony have a comparable technology? I also find it odd that the Philips supports 576p and then skips all the way to 1080i.

Anyways thanks again for your input!


Mikelee,

True. The prices are a bit out of reach for me right now, although I do plan to upgrade my tv in a few years time to LCD (when prices are expected to fall further, looking at industry reports)

Haha, the tv rack does look nice, but for RM529, I think I can get a bigger tv rack/table that can house other stuff (DVDs, DVD player, Amp etc etc)

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post May 3 2006, 03:17 PM

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Hi there.

I'm biased towards Philips' products myself, but IMHO you have to compare the tvs side by side to make a fair judgement. Personally I find the Pixel Plus 2 processing better, as it creates more lifelike images even through S-video inputs. You'll have to check out Sony's DRC as it's not a slouch either. I'm sure our friends on LYN can attest to the Sony - and you won't go wrong with either.

Like you, I'm puzzled as to why Philips left out the 720p - either through a technological issue or a budget one, but buck for buck I'm loving mine.
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post May 3 2006, 05:01 PM

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noobie in graphic card here, but can i ask that can the graphic card display HD signal from the s-video out using the usually provided HDTV cable which is usually bundle with a HD graphic card. so no need to buy the dvi to component video cable rite?? am i rite??




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post May 3 2006, 11:52 PM

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guys,

just wanna ask sumthing.

which one is better>

LN-S3251D or
LN-R328W?

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/Archive...LNR328WXXAA.asp
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS3251DXXAA.asp

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post May 4 2006, 02:17 AM

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emmm i just get a Flat CRT TV is non branded this TV is come wif the component input it's got any improvement compare iam using S-VIDEO now my TV just support 480i no HDTV support

forget mention i using XBOX

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QUOTE(deng8895 @ May 3 2006, 05:01 PM)
noobie in graphic card here, but can i ask that can the graphic card display HD signal from the s-video out using the usually provided HDTV cable which is usually bundle with a HD graphic card. so no need to buy the dvi to component video cable rite?? am i rite??
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graphic card? you're asking in the wrong sub-forum, but I'll give you an answer anyway. S-Video is not a HD compatible output, so the output from the graphics card on this output is definitely NOT HD. High Definition modes are only supported on Component and DVI/HDMI.

QUOTE(benQue @ May 3 2006, 11:52 PM)
Looking at the specs, the S3251D has an ATSC HD tuner, which isn't going to be much use here. Because of that, I'm pretty sure that you can't even buy this model over here. The R328W should be enough for the XB360.
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IMHO you don't really need the integrated tuner in the second one since we don't have any HD broadcasts yet - but at the end of the day if the price difference is negligible then go ahead - the RGB input may come in handy.
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post May 5 2006, 12:49 AM

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lol no one wanna help me sad.gif

i just wanna know got any different S-VIDEO with Component bcoz wanna get a component AV cable

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QUOTE(cuoreboy @ May 5 2006, 12:49 AM)
lol no one wanna help me sad.gif

i just wanna know got any different S-VIDEO with Component bcoz wanna get a component AV cable
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Actually cuore the difference between S-video and Component is VERY BIG. Try reading the earlier pages in this thread and you'll find this has been repeated over and over again.



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