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mikelee
post May 23 2006, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 09:50 AM)
Actually yes, we DO need to have a HDCP-compliant Player/TV to enjoy true HD quality from next gen HD media. If you have HDMI/DVI input, then you're safe - but any TVs without it in probably 4-5 years time will not be able to produce 1080p (well at least if we discount the fact that some Chinese uberhacker will come up with a cable to fool the HDCP).
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However if we do get a tv with HDMI input, but its max resolution is 1366 x 768, isn't the tv will not be able to produce up to 1080p of display quality? or am i wrong?
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QUOTE(mikelee @ May 23 2006, 09:55 AM)
However if we do get a tv with HDMI input, but its max resolution is 1366 x 768, isn't the tv will not be able to produce up to 1080p of display quality? or am i wrong?
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Heheh. NOW you're catching on. AFAIK, there are very few TVs out there that natively support 1080p - the ones that claim to be (or so I heard) mostly achieve that thru upscaling. So yeah, at the moment if you REALLY want to be future proof, invest in one of those 70" LCD/plasma panels from Westinghouse or similar and by then MAYBE you'll be able to boast "true" 1080p support.

Otherwise, if you're a regular person who just wants a little bit extra quality I suggest you get the best you can afford. A 40" Bravia will take care of your needs for at least several years.
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post May 23 2006, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 10:00 AM)
Heheh. NOW you're catching on. AFAIK, there are very few TVs out there that natively support 1080p - the ones that claim to be (or so I heard) mostly achieve that thru upscaling. So yeah, at the moment if you REALLY want to be future proof, invest in one of those 70" LCD/plasma panels from Westinghouse or similar and by then MAYBE you'll be able to boast "true" 1080p support.

Otherwise, if you're a regular person who just wants a little bit extra quality I suggest you get the best you can afford. A 40" Bravia will take care of your needs for at least several years.
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Yeah no wonder..not many 1080p tv available now in the market. Esspecially Malaysia market where HD broadcasting will only arrive here about 2010 (i estimate tongue.gif)
Ouch...40" Bravia, my eyes will hurt in my small bedroom. biggrin.gif So i was deciding something smaller maybe about 23"-26". However for a 26" with HDMI input, i will need to add about RM700 to RM800 from a 23" model. From your explaination so far, i don't see any good reason to have a HDMI input. I think it is good enough to produce 720p from a component connection when using the infamous PS3. All these 1080p from Sony are all marketing gimmicks (i think).

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LoL.

Well I applaud your sensible thinking, bear in mind also that this only applies if you're buying the Vanilla PS3. But if you're planning on getting the Premium version you'll be stuck without HDMI!

It's a tricky issue but at the end of the day only spend what you're willing to for quality you will definitely accept. Whatever TV you buy will be staring at you for at least 3 years...
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post May 23 2006, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 10:28 AM)
LoL.

Well I applaud your sensible thinking, bear in mind also that this only applies if you're buying the Vanilla PS3. But if you're planning on getting the Premium version you'll be stuck without HDMI!

It's a tricky issue but at the end of the day only spend what you're willing to for quality you will definitely accept. Whatever TV you buy will be staring at you for at least 3 years...
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Yeah i agree. I could save alot by buying the 23" lcd and get the all new xbox360 or save up for PS3. I just wanna make sure got enough inputs for all consoles including my trusty old ps2. So basically getting an lcd monitor which is a cheaper alternative = no use.
I see that you have a pixel plus tv. Does it have HDMI? Are you getting ready for PS3? or getting the Wiiiiiiiiii?
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QUOTE(mikelee @ May 23 2006, 11:53 AM)
I see that you have a pixel plus tv. Does it have HDMI? Are you getting ready for PS3? or getting the Wiiiiiiiiii?
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Yup. All the consoles you have should be supported if not, it's gonna suck big time.

I do have a Pixel Plus 2 CRT - no HDMI, but I've got 2 component Hi-Def inputs that SHOULD cover my potential 360 purchase and even the Wii eventually. If the Wii doesn't go beyond 480p I may have to share my other "regular" component connection with my DVD player - worst case scenario is I have to downgrade my DVD player connection to S-video, but that seems crummy.
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post May 23 2006, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 02:02 PM)
Yup. All the consoles you have should be supported if not, it's gonna suck big time.

I do have a Pixel Plus 2 CRT - no HDMI, but I've got 2 component Hi-Def inputs that SHOULD cover my potential 360 purchase and even the Wii eventually.
Wow potential 360 buyer. Let me know when you getting it okie? I can join you on Live when i get mine too. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 02:02 PM)
If the Wii doesn't go beyond 480p I may have to share my other "regular" component connection with my DVD player - worst case scenario is I have to downgrade my DVD player connection to S-video, but that seems crummy.
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Isn't there available a switcher for component inputs? That saves much hassel rather then going for s-video. Eh...how bout ps3?? Is Wii > PS3? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mikelee @ May 23 2006, 02:48 PM)
Wow potential 360 buyer. Let me know when you getting it okie? I can join you on Live when i get mine too.  tongue.gif
Isn't there available a switcher for component inputs? That saves much hassel rather then going for s-video. Eh...how bout ps3?? Is Wii > PS3?  laugh.gif
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Sure thing bro. Looking forward to getting my 360. smile.gif

I actually DO have a switcher for component inputs. Bought it from Lik-Sang for RM 60. Best decision I ever made smile.gif That's a potential solution, yeah.

/puts on fanboy hat

Personally, I am anticipating the Wii more than the PS3 right now. Sony's continued arrogance will relegate it to a much later purchase, for me.

So yes, I love Wii.

/takes off fanboy hat
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post May 23 2006, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 02:52 PM)
Sure thing bro. Looking forward to getting my 360. smile.gif

I actually DO have a switcher for component inputs. Bought it from Lik-Sang for RM 60. Best decision I ever made smile.gif That's a potential solution, yeah.

/puts on fanboy hat

Personally, I am anticipating the Wii more than the PS3 right now. Sony's continued arrogance will relegate it to a much later purchase, for me.

So yes, I love Wii.

/takes off fanboy hat
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laugh.gif Like the fanboy hat part. Yeah..Wii rocks!

So back to the topic tvs then, given a choice will you choose this? (question is open to everyone too).I could get it @ RM3300 if HSL accepts the RM500 trade-in.

user posted image

3000:1 Dynamic Contrast
Brightness 500cd/m2
10bit Processing 3.2 Billion Colours
1366x768 Resolution (True 16:9)
PVA Panel
8ms Response Time
DNIe3(tm) Technology (MCC 6xDensity)
Colour Weakness Compensator
Brightness Sensor
Wider Viewing Angles - 170 / 170
PIP Function (Single Tuner)
2x Component Inputs
PC Input (XGA~W-XGA)
Teletext (1000 Pages)
VESA Compliant Wall Mounting

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26" model with HDMI input @ RM 4000.

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QUOTE(indiagnoziz @ May 14 2006, 06:38 PM)
is there any 32inch lcd tv having a native reso of 1920x1080 to date and has hdmi input?
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its not worth getting a 1080p 32in TV. if u want to see the difference between 720p and 1080p get a bigger screen.

i have done some research .. "only" sharp sells 1080p tv in Malaysia (atleast they list their 1080p in their MY website). RM35K and RM75K

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post May 25 2006, 10:15 AM

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No recommendation for me?? sad.gif
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post May 25 2006, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(mikelee @ May 25 2006, 10:15 AM)
No recommendation for me?? sad.gif
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LoL The Samsungs are a good buy, IMHO. You just have to decide between the HDMI or non-HDMI model. I'd go with the HDMI, I guess, although you may have to fork out for a HDMI-compatible home theater unit...

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post May 25 2006, 10:24 AM

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i did a hdtv model for sharp.
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post May 25 2006, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 23 2006, 02:02 PM)
Yup. All the consoles you have should be supported if not, it's gonna suck big time.

I do have a Pixel Plus 2 CRT - no HDMI, but I've got 2 component Hi-Def inputs that SHOULD cover my potential 360 purchase and even the Wii eventually. If the Wii doesn't go beyond 480p I may have to share my other "regular" component connection with my DVD player - worst case scenario is I have to downgrade my DVD player connection to S-video, but that seems crummy.
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No need ler bro. You can get those 3 to 1 component input selector. I ordered one online from Play-asia. Quite cheap. RM80 i think. Works great. Can get locally also from game shop, but maybe slightly more expensive, if you don't want the hassle of ordering online.

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ May 25 2006, 10:21 AM)
LoL The Samsungs are a good buy, IMHO. You just have to decide between the HDMI or non-HDMI model. I'd go with the HDMI, I guess, although you may have to fork out for a HDMI-compatible home theater unit...
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Alright i will go look around at electrical shops and test the 23" model. Somemore xbox 360 HD-DVD expansion will not have HDMI connection is just disappointing and PS3 can be connected using component and achieve the same display quality, I will just take the one without it. Thanks!
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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 25 2006, 12:29 PM)
No need ler bro. You can get those 3 to 1 component input selector. I ordered one online from Play-asia. Quite cheap. RM80 i think. Works great. Can get locally also from game shop, but maybe slightly more expensive, if you don't want the hassle of ordering online.
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Yup. As mentioned, luckily I got myself one of those from Lik-Sang. Verryyy useful wink.gif
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QUOTE(mikelee @ May 25 2006, 01:26 PM)
Alright i will go look around at electrical shops and test the 23" model. Somemore xbox 360 HD-DVD expansion will not have HDMI connection is just disappointing and PS3 can be connected using component and achieve the same display quality, I will just take the one without it. Thanks!
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I dunno. I think NOT having HDMI is GOOD. HDMI is another way for big organisation to screw us consumer by imposing on all kind of restrictions and DRM crap. Basically, HDMI is DVI+Sound combined in a single connector so that there is a centralised point for them to take control of what you're allowed to watch and what you don't. I don't think DVI is such a big step foward from Component input. And most of us are happy enough with optical output to get DD5.1 and DTS anyway, so there's no need to combine the sound+video in single cable.

I say the longer HDMI isn't mass market, the better it is.

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Well, that's an interesting outlook on things. True, HDMI may or may not be that much better than component, but I guess it's a must for Sony, what with their idea of DRM and stuff.

As for me, I think I can afford to live with my 29 inch Toshiba CRT HDTV (model 29JZ9UES). It's got what I require dead-on, namely 720p and 1080i resolution. When that Xbox 360 is within reach, I'll be ready to swap out my PS2 with the 360 in place. smile.gif
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QUOTE(tripleB @ May 25 2006, 05:20 PM)
Well, that's an interesting outlook on things. True, HDMI may or may not be that much better than component, but I guess it's a must for Sony, what with their idea of DRM and stuff.

As for me, I think I can afford to live with my 29 inch Toshiba CRT HDTV (model 29JZ9UES). It's got what I require dead-on, namely 720p and 1080i resolution. When that Xbox 360 is within reach, I'll be ready to swap out my PS2 with the 360 in place.  smile.gif
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tripleB... most of the ppl here go with sony or philips for their HDTV... since you're using toshiba... would you mind highlighting us on the performance of ur tv? how is it compared with Sony DRC or Philips Pixel Plus/PP2... I'm sure you've compared them before making your purchase rite? thanks...
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QUOTE(tripleB @ May 25 2006, 05:20 PM)
Well, that's an interesting outlook on things. True, HDMI may or may not be that much better than component, but I guess it's a must for Sony, what with their idea of DRM and stuff.
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Pls get that right, This isn't a SONY's exclusive idea. It is the ENTIRE industry. MS is a big advocator of DRM. Basically, they're just finding new ways to limits our rights and make their pockets bigger.

Screw em all.


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