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post Jan 28 2005, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 28 2005, 11:21 AM)
And oh, 100hz Progressive scan IS NOT a HD Mode, it is a cheap ploy by current TV manufacturer to imply that their TVs have some sort of HD Mode in them. 100Hz Progressive scan ONLY cleans the video signal received from the antennae from terrestrial TV or other available inputs on the TV. Since this process merely repeats/doubles the INTERLACED scanlines on the TV, your eyes is fooled into thinking that the image is smoother and clearer.
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100Hz scan is not HDTV, that's for certain. (still having bad memories of that Samsung Tanto, eh stringfellow?). An interlaced picture consists of an odd and even field. A 100Hz Scan TV (for eg, Panasonic Tau Giga) takes each field, and fills in the gaps by repeating each available line. This is called line-doubling. A line-doubled field becomes a "frame" as in "frames per second". The newly reconstructed frames are then displayed twice, thus achieving 100Hz or 100fps. On certain TVs, when playing videogames there may be a noticeable lag between controller input and on-screen action.

Obviously, line-doubling makes vertical "jaggies" even more apparent. Sometimes line-doubling is called "bob" de-interlacing. Because the odd and even lines are offset by 1 line, the even "frame" ends up one line lower than the "odd" frame. When showing still pictures, the image may appear to "bob" up and down.

The Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers (SMPTE) HDTV standard fixes the vertical refresh rate at 30Hz for all the HDTV modes (480p, 720p and 1080i). 30Hz may sound a bit low and flickery, but new screen technologies like LCDs and Plasmas and upcoming stuff like OLEDs and CNT-FED aren't subjected to flicker like CRTs are. CRT based HDTVs also use frame doubling to up the refresh rates to a more respectable rate, but since they are working from actual progressive image sources, they don't suffer for it like the "100Hz" sets.

edit: 480p is EDTV, oops

This post has been edited by silkworm: Jan 30 2005, 09:54 AM
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post Feb 3 2005, 08:21 AM

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There's no point in getting a set-top decoder because there are no stations in Malaysia broadcasting HDTV programs over the air, not even Astro.

There is another "black box" called a video processor aka scaler. This expensive bit of kit (about RM5K) up-scales normal television signals into a HDTV format of your choice, using digital signal processing. These units use more advanced scaling algorithms than 100Hz/DRC/Giga/(insert buzzword here) used in TVs, so image quality ranges from good to excellent. The large amount of processing required will introduce some lag, so gaming isn't a good application for it.
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post Feb 15 2005, 11:38 AM

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This is off-topic.
Actually, Polyphony Digital may have cheated a bit. The PS2 is framebuffer limited. With only 4MB of VRAM, it's not possible to fit 1920x1080x24bit double-buffered frames in it (you'd need about 6MB for a single frame of 1920x1080x24bits). It's believed that for GT4, Polyphony rendered internally at 720x480, or maybe 720x540, then used some mixture of scaling to achieve the final 1920x1080 resolution on the TV. It's still a remarkable feat, but expect to be blown away with the next-gen consoles and true HDTV support.
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post Dec 18 2005, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 18 2005, 01:48 PM)
No! No! No! 100Hz is NOT progressive scan at all!! It simply shows the images at double the frequency PAL(50Hz)=>100Hz, NTSC(60Hz)=>120Hz. It's just like ur monitor frequency. Try setting it to 60Hz and you'll feel kepala pening. The monitor should be set to 85hz and above to get a stable image.

PAL is 50 Fields Per second, because long ago the TV designers relied on the power socket's AC frequency to generate the scanning sawtooth waveform. Likewise for NTSC, because the US and Japan use 60Hz AC power, they have 60 fields per second. Two fields, odd and even, make a complete frame. That's why you'll often hear that PAL has 25fps and NTSC has 29.95fps.

100 or 120Hz TVs actually take each interlaced field and then doubles the lines to make a full frame. It also shows the rebuilt "frame" twice, that's how you get 100/120Hz from a 25/30fps PAL or NTSC source. The final image is actually "progressive" but because it's taken from an interlaced input so you'll get nasty de-interlacing artifacts.

The main confusion that used to arise from 100Hz sets is while the output is progressive, but the input front ends on some sets don't take progressive inputs! So we had a bunch of people who had 100Hz capable TVs who all of the sudden couldn't use progressive scan mode on console games. Nowadays new TVs are stamped with the "HD ready" logo, so we don't run into this problem that much anymore.
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post Jan 4 2006, 05:44 PM

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Cheap 20-30 ringgit PS2 component cables should do the job. Even at 1080i mode in GT4, the PS2 doesn't need that much bandwidth to call for exotic cabling. Just got one myself, RM25 from Imbi Plaza. To go with my (dad's) HD-ready 42" Plasma. biggrin.gif

Can't help on the Component mux (that's short for multiplexer), though. If the wallet can handle it, maybe tack on a proper AV surround amplifier. That ought to let you switch between a few component channels... For dedicated "game" multiplexers, you'll probably have to shop online.

The last time I bought stuff from Lik-sang I had pay by wire transfer, which was an extra RM20+ bucks transaction fee, and I forgot if the bank in HK charged me as well. blink.gif
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post Jan 18 2006, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(psp _BOY im 12 @ Jan 17 2006, 04:19 PM)
1024 times 1024 good?
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It's OK, but not very good. Only plasmas have this resolution. Notice that your screen is a wide screen, but 1024x1024 is actually a square. The picture will undergo scaling in ALL the HD modes (1280x720p, 1920x1080i), which results in slight loss of picture quality.
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post Apr 6 2006, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Apr 4 2006, 08:14 PM)
got a question here...what is the contrast ratio ??is it higher better or lower better?eg. 2000:1 ,800:1...
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The contrast ratio is the difference in intensity between the brightest white and the "blackest" black that is being displayed on a screen at the same time. The contrast ratio roughly indicates how the screen will perform in different lighting environments. A high contrast ratio screen would be viewable in bright sunlight or in a dark room, with discernible highlights and "lowlights".

A low contrast ratio screen may look good in a brightly lit room but in a dark room the black areas would look grey-ish instead. LCDs usually suffer from this. It can also happen the other way around: a screen might look dull in a bright room, but look OK in a dark room. Projection systems (front and rear) usually have this.

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post Apr 21 2006, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Voonz @ Apr 21 2006, 12:59 AM)
Hi Guys. i just got a Sony Grand WEGA KF-WS60A1
it's a projection LCD TV but it's not much diffrent from Flat LCD TV besides it's
width right?

i'm currently connecting my dvd using comp of split up rca cables =.=
no time to chnage. there shoudnt be any prob right?

i can't find a way to adjust the resolution to 1080i or 720p.
i cant only alter it between full mode , normal mode , wide zoom and zoom mode.
i read the user guide and it says
The 720p/1080i format signal is always displayed in 'Full' mode even if it has no ID-1 signal

does that mean as long as i have connected the comp from my ps2 to the TV and set the display mode at full. it will always be at 1080i/720p right?
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You don't change the resolution at the TV. Instead, you set it from the PS2, inside the game option menu, or by holding a button combination on the controller while the PS2 is booting up. Most PS2 games only support 480p, only GT4 is capable of putting out 1080i. There are no PS2 games that support 720p. The TV will change modes automatically to match the signal that the console is giving out.
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post May 4 2006, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(deng8895 @ May 3 2006, 05:01 PM)
noobie in graphic card here, but can i ask that can the graphic card display HD signal from the s-video out using the usually provided HDTV cable which is usually bundle with a HD graphic card. so no need to buy the dvi to component video cable rite?? am i rite??
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graphic card? you're asking in the wrong sub-forum, but I'll give you an answer anyway. S-Video is not a HD compatible output, so the output from the graphics card on this output is definitely NOT HD. High Definition modes are only supported on Component and DVI/HDMI.

QUOTE(benQue @ May 3 2006, 11:52 PM)
Looking at the specs, the S3251D has an ATSC HD tuner, which isn't going to be much use here. Because of that, I'm pretty sure that you can't even buy this model over here. The R328W should be enough for the XB360.

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