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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, LIVERPOOL 1-2 ARSENAL -HAPLESS

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post Nov 9 2009, 02:13 PM, updated 17y ago

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~The Home Of Liverpool Supporters~


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Liverpool Football Club

Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
Tom Hicks (co-chairman)
George Gillett (co-chairman)

Manager :
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Rafael Benítez

Assistant Manager:
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Sammy Lee

Captain:
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Steven Gerrard

Vice Captain:
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Jamie Carragher
League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 7
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
1989-90 ; 1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners -----> 3
1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07

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post Nov 9 2009, 02:17 PM

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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
The statue of former manager Bill Shankly, outside Anfield

Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan

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Liverpool Squad Season 08/09
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First team players

Goalkeepers:
(25) Pepe Reina
(1) Diego Cavalieri
(30) Charles Itandje
(40) David Martin
(41) Martin Hansen
(42) Peter Gulacsi
Defenders:
(38) Andrea Dossena
(22) Emiliano Insúa
(12) Fábio Aurélio
(5) Daniel Agger
(23) Jamie Carragher
(37) Martin Škrtel
(16)Sotirios Kyrgiakos
(2) Glen Johnson
(27) Philipp Degen
(32) Stephen Darby
(34) Martin Kelly
(51) Mikel San Jose
(52) Daniel Ayala
(36) Steve Irwin
Midfielders:
(11) Albert Riera
( 4)Alberto Aquilani
(15) Yossi Benayoun
(8) Steven Gerrard
(20) Javier Mascherano
(21) Lucas Leiva
(28) Damien Plessis
(26) Jay Spearing
(31) Nabil El Zhar
(35) Ryan Flynn

Strikers:

(9) Fernando Torres
(18) Dirk Kuyt
(24) David N'Gog
(19) Ryan Babel
(10) Andriy Voronin
(39) Nathan Eccleston
(50) Daniel Pacheco
(29) Krisztian Nemeth

Players Out On Loan:
Season 09/10 Fixtures

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LFC Top Scorer for Premier League


Fernando "El Nino" Torres 10
Black Horse Dirk Kuyt 3
Yossi "The Messi" Benayoun 3
Steven "Captain Marvel" Gerrard 3
Glen "Super Wingback" Johnson 2
David N'Gog 2
Ryan Babel 2



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The Quotes


Rafa Benitez

On Jose Mourinho,Pre-match press conference before Chelsea 2nd leg
"He is a good manager,yes, but he will lose tomorrow"

On finishing fifth
"I know being in the top four of the Premier League is very important, but you will never see any club honours list recording an historic fourth place in the Premier League."

On King Luis' "ghost goal"

"Luis said to me that as he turned away, he was right on the line, and he said the ball was over the line. And after the game my secretary Sheila, who was sitting right in line in the main stand, said to me that the ball had crossed the line. She is a very honest person and that was good enough for me. It was a goal."

On Robben's play acting
"Sorry i must hurry i am to the hospital to see Robben, maybe his neck is broke, maybe if Reina had of reacted like that when gallas touched him his neck would be broke also"

On Robbie "God" Fowler
"People can talk about having a lot of money to buy players but we've just signed a player with a passion and a heart for this club that no amount of money can buy."

"I think he is going to be a big asset for us. I know he is glad to have signed as he has taught me a new English phrase about being over the moon!"


In response to rumours over his future at anfield and a possible move to Real Madrid
I am very happy here for sure, my family is very happy here too, we are settled very well. my youngest daughter speaks alot of english now, more so even than spanish, and she speaks with scouse accent so i cannot understand her (beaming smile) but she also speaks alot of spanish, or sometimes even gets mixed up and speaks alot of spanglish

In response to Fergie's claim that Liverpool only play 5 minutes football in the victory

"If we can win a game in five minutes against a top team just think how much more terrible damage there would be if we played for the other 85 minutes."


On King Luis

"He's always a player from whom you can expect something different. If you're struggling in a game you can either do two things, send your centre back up front as a centre forward or use Luis Garcia between the lines."

On Liverpool Supporters
"Before, I said that they were maybe the best supporters in England.Now maybe they are the best supporters in Europe if not the World."

Humorous reply to the media on Fowler
Q:"If Robbie scores the winner against Chelsea, will he get a new contract?"

A:" No. No he won't .......He is cup tied."


On his poor English(1st season)
I'm not here to speak English.I'm here to win trophies.

'As I have said many times, I've come here to win trophies, not to learn English'.


His typical, repetitive answers

"this is our idea"

"....we will have more control over situations, and this will give us more possiblilities...."

We could have score more.

We only think of the next game.

"he has good game intelligence"


"...for sure

"we have more options"


On Gerrard's saga
"When people talk to me about Gerrard and say he wants to win trophies, I say, 'me too'. I want to win trophies, I am not here to learn English, I am here for winning trophies."

"I am not in favour of selling him and we are building a great team around him because we want him to be the skipper who wins the most titles in Liverpool's history."

"We are preparing a special weightlifting plan for Gerrard's shoulders because we want him to lift a lot of trophies for Liverpool in the next few years.

Pre-Chelsea press conference
Journo: Are you wearing your lucky jacket?

Rafa: No, it's normal. I have confidence in my team, not my jacket!


Post-Chelsea press conference
Journo: Were you confident when you saw Chelsea's team sheet?

Rafa: I was confident when I saw my own team sheet!


On rivalry with the Mancs:
I understand it. It’s similar to the rivalry with Everton but this time it’s about two of the top sides and it’s very important we win this game.


On the linesman of the Bolton game
"It's the first time I've seen a linesman who wants to be a star"

On paying 7m for Pennant

"I do not know many right wingers in this country who are better than Pennant playing in the Premier. Who else, (Shaun) Wright-Phillips at £21 million?

On the journalists

"After this they started changing words and at the end of the day you are in jail!

On catching Chelsea in the league table

"If you start counting your chickens then, at the end, you will have problems."

On the speculation about Henry before the match against Arsenal
"I even heard rumours this week that Henry was supposedly coming to Liverpool. All I can say is that he is coming tomorrow but will be going back to London after the game. He might come here on Tuesday as well!"

On being referred to as a tactical genius
“You cannot be a genius if you do not have good players. You can have the best tactics, but if I put all you journalists on the pitch, I’m sure we will lose.“

On Carra
"He reminds me of a hunting dog, when I want something specific done in defence he is very willing to learn. As a defender he is someone you do not want to play against, to have marking you."

On getting to grips with the Language
"I talk to carra, if you can understand him you can understand anyone."

On Anfield
"This is Anfield, they say you'll never walk alone... it's true!"

On cricket
"A lot of people say it is a fantastic game because nobody knows the rules, I say to the wife i am going to play a game and i wont be back for 5 or 10 days"

When asked about the new owners watching the game against PSV.
Reporter to Rafa: The new owners must have been really impressed with this performance/

Rafa: The players were impressive. The new owners were just watching the game.


On Crouch

"I was pleased also with Peter Crouch. We have been talking to him, before and after his nose operation, to show more confidence with his heading.

"Now it seems to have worked. Lets say that if he has a few games without scoring again, maybe we should arrange to break his nose again."


On Rotation Policy

"You know me, I like to rotate the team 99 times if I can,"

"We may be in a very good rugby town here in Toulouse. But this isn't rugby - I cannot use 15 players.

"Sadly, I've been unable to persuade Fifa, Uefa, and the Premier League to allow me to use 12 players in every game."


On Champion League group qualifying
Q : Which two teams will qualify from this group?
Rafa : This question provides me with an opportunity to use an expression I learnt the other day. I don't have a crystal ball. I cannot predict the future.


On spending for transfers

"But we have a saying in Spain that you never sell the house to buy a window. You don't spend more money than you have."

"It's easier if you've got the money to go into the transfer market. Imagine if you want to buy a jacket, if you have £1000 you can buy a good jacket, but if you have £10,000 you can buy the best"


On Mourinho
""We were good friends until we started winning, then he started changing his mind.

"It's the same with the managers of the top sides. He has good relationships with managers of teams he beats."

"He fights with the managers of the top sides. He has already started it with us, yesterday!"


Mourinho claimed that Liverpool will spend the first leg attempting to get Didier Dropba booked, with the big striker set to miss the second game if he is carded by referee Markus Merk.

"Maybe Mourinho is thinking about this because he was doing exactly the same thing two years ago over Xabi Alonso,"
When Mourinho claimed that referee missed out a penalty
"I haven't seen the replay but if he says it was a penalty, sure it was a penalty."

After Mourinho claimed that Liverpool is under pressure

"He said he does not talk about other teams, maybe he forgot this time.

In the post-match press conference when Liverpool manager Benitez was informed that Jose Mourinho had responded to Steven Gerrard's criticism of Chelsea by painting a picture of an angelic, or at least "naive", team.
Rafa:"Then I am Little Red Riding Hood,"

After Grant took over
"The only difference I see between Mourinho and Grant is in their press conferences!

On the Supporters
"At Stamford Bridge, we won in the stands, that was clear. The other supporters were with their flags, but our supporters were with their hearts. We don't need to give flags. It's easy for us."

After the match against Everton
"its hard playing against the SMALLER clubs"

On Chelsea
Q:How big a loss is Ricardo Carvalho to Chelsea?

A:If he cannot play – and remember they said the same last time – they have enough quality to replace him. I don't think he's any more important than John Terry. Before, when they lost Terry, they were saying they'd lost the best centre-back in the world. Now, Carvalho is the best centre-back in the world.


On King Kenny during the Kenny week
"Kenny Dalglish would be my first choice for Liverpool's best ever player because he was a great player with a lot of qualities."

On Torres

He can do it because he's a player with pace. This ability when you have pace is an issue. I have ability but I don't have pace so I can't beat anyone! But Torres can do it"

Rafa's jokes

On his beard
"its just because during the summer I lost my razor!"

Interviewer gets the joke but doesn't find it all that funny so he goes smiling:

"so you haven't found it since??"

"no i have found but now its broken!"


On Inter Milan

Q: What do you feel are the differences between AC Milan - a side you have faced twice in the final of this competition - and Inter?

Rafa: The difference between AC Milan and Inter is in the shirt.


On his players
"My players travel more than Willy Fogg," Benitez said to quizzical looks.
"Willy Fogg?
Around the World in 80 Days?"
"Phileas Fogg, you mean."
"Oh, yes, Phileas Fogg, sorry."

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On the birth of Xabi's son:
"I was preparing a new contract for his son,"

On the owner

Interviewer :Everyone is saying George Gillet is coming to watch this game tonight, does that make any difference to you or are you just focussed on that 90 minutes tomorrow?

Rafa :I think that he is not available for tomorrow so, he is not a big difference for me in my team selection.


When asked if the American owners of Liverpool will be analysing the game, he said: "
I don't know if they have a TV."

After PSV game
Irish interviewer: " Good night Rafa?" referring to the result.

Rafa: "Goodnight" with a broad smile and pretends to finish the chat


On his reaction after the goal

Q:One thing that surprised me was that after Kuyt scored and leveled the match, you didn’t jump out of your seat. Everyone else around you jumped right off their seats to celebrate but all you did was stand up and walk near the sideline to shout some instructions. Who were you talking to?

A:Yes, I was speaking to Sami Hyypia because we were having some problems adjusting at the back and I was trying to correct those mistakes. I believe that my job is not to jump around but to try and analyze things and find solutions to any problems we might be having.
Before Champion League clash with Arsenal
"I won't settle for any less (than victory). I have always had that mentality. Even as a child, I always hated losing at anything, chess or whatever.
"It is the same now, even at home. Just ask my wife. She says I never let the children win at anything. OK, sometimes I go easy on the younger one, but not the other. She is old enough and only wins on merit.


After 0-2 victory over Fulham

"We have a problem with Sami. He has a knock in the head. He was dizzy so I asked him if he'd seen the third goal! He just looked at me (with a confused look).

On Gerrard twisted his neck during training
The other day, he wanted to play but he was only able to look to the right, so I told him he could play as a left winger! We'll see if he can turn his head round and look the other way now.

"We will talk together, with the doctor. The player will say he wants to play, but there's an easy way of finding out whether he's fit. I will come up and tap him on the left shoulder and if he turns to face me without any pain, we will know he can play."


On Riise

"Fabio will be out for three weeks, so Riise knows he has to be ready and give everything for us. The best solution would be for him to score at Stamford Bridge... in the right goal.

On the late comebacks
“If it continues like this I will have to seek a neurologist — I don’t like these late comebacks.

"The last-minute goal is bad for the heart, but a great way to win. Do I believe in fate? I believe in hard work. In Spain we say 'luck is in love with people who work hard'. We work hard, so hopefully we'll have more luck."

On defending Crouch in the game
It's about beating him in the air, so we will use Mascherano against him! laugh.gif

On Ferguson
Journalist: Some comments were made by Alex Ferguson about Robbie Keane and the price you paid for him - were they ill-timed?
Rafa: I think he was surprised about the price because he was cheap. They paid around £30m for Berbatov, Rooney or Ferdinand - or even £35m for Tevez. That is maybe where the surprise came from.


"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things.

"All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens.

“I try not to talk too much, but all I can do when I speak is to defend my own team."

He has been playing these kind of mind games for many years. Nobody has ever said anything against him or stood up to him. It seems like he has a licence to do these sort of things.



Press conference ahead of the Newcastle match

(conversation moves on to the previous midweek Champions League Semi-Finals)

Reporter: Obviously in the middle of the week there were the Champions League Semi-Finals...did you watch those games...

Rafa: Yes I was watching the games but I will not say anything...

Reporter: Was it difficult for you to watch them...

Rafa: No, it was easy. I was in front of the telly (makes gesture of wide-screen tv) it was a big telly! It was easy!!


On Hyypia


I think Liverpool are losing a legend.For years he has been so good. He has scored important goals and has been very, very good in defence. Clearly we are losing an important player.

Before the match against manu at Anfield after 4 successive defeats.

Journalist: If you win on Sunday, everything that has been said and written recently will almost be forgotten. Is that something you have to get used to in modern football?

Yes, it is clear every week that everything changes. It is something you have to understand. With the internet, people need to write things every day, they need to sell newspapers every day, but they don't have too much news, so they have to say a lot of things. It is part of the game and you have to adapt to it.


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Sammy Lee
On Alex Ferguson and Sam Allardyce attacks on Rafa
"This is not Britain's Got Talent; you don't win anything for being popular, but our manager is not arrogant. He is astute, learned, educated and his attention to detail is fantastic. We are all a bit sensitive to criticism but he knows what he is doing, why he is doing it and who he is gesticulating at!"

Steven Gerrard

We are Liverpool Football Club and the expectations are so high.

Fernando Torres

I feel flattered at being nominated for the FIFA World Player. It is a proud moment for me, and an incentive to keep on working hard.I want to win trophies with Liverpool.

19th June 2009
For me the biggest privilege in Europe is the red shirt of Liverpool.

When asked about the departure of Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

We won't win the title because Manchester United have become weaker but because we have become better. To look at it like that is a loser's mentality and that is not the way of Liverpool Football Club.


Xabi Alonso


On his transfer saga
[The fans] couldn't have done more to show me how they felt... If I went out for lunch or a coffee, there was always someone who would come over and say, 'We'd love you to stay'. I'm just glad that, in the end, nothing came of it [the transfer] because it wasn't something I ever asked for."


Sami Hyypia


"I think it will only be after I've finally left that I'll be able to sit back and realise what we've done in my ten years. It's hard to take in now. It is nice to be remembered here."

"I'd like to come back to Liverpool one day as a coach, and it was great to hear the manager would like me to return,"


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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.
Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.


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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.


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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

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Let's start off with lineup prediction.

Mine:



Reina

Glenny----Krygiakos---Agger----Insua

-----------------Masch-------------------

Kuyt-------------Lucas-------------Benny

------------N'Gog------------Babel-----------



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Last few posts from previous thread.

QUOTE(normeck @ Nov 9 2009, 02:09 PM)
if im benitez

Reina

Glen - Agger- Carra - Insua

Masch - Lucas

Kuyt - Benny - Aurelio

Babel

dunno Glen still injured or not...
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Carra suspended~
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QUOTE(wildcandy @ Nov 9 2009, 02:14 PM)
Liverpool FC vs Birmingham Wildfey's Tactical Assesment

                      Reina

Johnson--Agger------Skrtel--Insua

----------Lucas-------Masch---------

----------Kuyt--Benny--Babel------

----------------Ngog-----------------
Subs :
Torres
F.Aurelio
El Zhar
Voronin
Ayala
Aquilani
Cav

Its quite an interesting strategy.. but I think its gonna be more dynamic when the subs come in and snatch the match winning goal. I hope that Torres would start if he ever gain fitness.. Cmon you REDS! thumbup.gif
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Aquilani will most likely be featuring in the last 20 or so minutes.
Must-win game before the internationals.
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Benitez is likely to include £20million Italy international Alberto Aquilani in a home squad for the first time, and expects to have Aurelio, Martin Skrtel and Riera back after injuries.

Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard will have late fitness tests on groin injuries, with the Spanish striker the most likely to play.

Benitez said: "It could be the time to let the Anfield fans see Aquilani at last.

"He has trained well. He does not have match fitness, but the only way to improve that is to play him in games.

"We have more players available now, so maybe he can be on the bench and then come on to change the game if necessary. He will certainly be involved."


AQUILANI drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 9 2009, 03:52 PM)
AQUILANI  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif
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here's for coming late to work tomorrow! biggrin.gif

hopefully torres can sub at 60mins.. and del basque not calling him up for meaningless friendly
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-------------Masch--------------

--------Lucas--Aquaman drool.gif -------

-----Benny---Kuyt---Babel-----


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aqulani for 10 mins if we're leading by 2 goals, 20mins+ if we're drawing the match ... unless lucas gets injured whistling.gif tongue.gif
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damn now i have to stay up tonight to catch the game tongue.gif
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so we gonna register the second win in 9 matches later tonite/next morning???

or create another history of sorts sweat.gif
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..................Reina..................

Glenny......Krygiakos.....Agger......Insua

............Lucas......Masche...................

Kuyt..........................................Benny

...........Voronin.............Babel.............
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Liverpool Line Up World Record £250m Naming Rights Deal For 'New Anfield' - Report
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http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/11/...rights-deal-for
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:47 PM)
Liverpool Line Up World Record £250m Naming Rights Deal For 'New Anfield' - Report
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http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/11/...rights-deal-for
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 9 2009, 05:47 PM)
Liverpool Line Up World Record £250m Naming Rights Deal For 'New Anfield' - Report
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http://goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/11/...rights-deal-for
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i dont get this article xD

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i dont get this article xD
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You pay to get whatever name you desire for the stadium. Yanks gets to keep the money.
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hensem boy.. drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(anip94 @ Nov 9 2009, 07:13 PM)
goal is a rubbish website! number one bullshit news in the internet
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Meaning that alot of times they steal it on some other websites and make it theirs.

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AFAIK, naming rights work on LEASING, or are they permanent?

I could understand the Yank's motives, its a very profitable lease for those who want to be part of a brand.
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AFAIK, naming rights work on LEASING, or are they permanent?

I could understand the Yank's motives, its a very profitable lease for those who want to be part of a brand.
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Leasing, for our situation it's 10m per year.
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Leasing, for our situation it's 10m per year.
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I mean, after all, in America naming rights are wagered for really high prices.
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as long as its help to build a bigger better stadium, it's not a big deal.. as long its not some crap brand/company name.. wouldn't mind adidas though.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 9 2009, 08:07 PM)
as long as its help to build a bigger better stadium, it's not a big deal.. as long its not some crap brand/company name.. wouldn't mind adidas though.
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After nearly 2 decades of the 'curse' of calrsberg (never won the league ever since we have them as sponsors heh heh), i'll be dissapointed if they get to name the stadium. tongue.gif

tbh i rather not see the stadium disassociated from the team..... it just doesn't feel right. There must be other ways to secure the funding for the stadium. Heck with the track record of the owners they'll probably pocket the £250m pay off their own loans, and put the stadium cost onto the club so lfc will service it.....


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But Carlsberg being so long with Liverpool, feels as though they're part of Liverpool. Heh.

Watch a Liverpool game with a Carlsberg in hand.
Next year, watch a Liverpool game, with a Standard Chartered Bank book tongue.gif
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more news of our beloved owner...

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Hicks: Liverpool will not sell key players
Reuters - Yesterday, 14:20


Liverpool will not be forced to sell off key players if the club make an early exit from the Champions League, co-owner Tom Hicks said.

"None of our star players will be sold, regardless of results," the American told the Sunday Mirror newspaper.
"The club is doing very well due to rapidly growing commercial revenues.
"We have significant investor interest and want to make sure that we pick high-quality partners.
"We are happy with the way things are going financially but we hoped things would be better on the pitch."

The five-times European champions are in danger of being eliminated from the group stage of the Champions League despite having players such as England's Steven Gerrard and Spain's Fernando Torres.

They have also lost five of their first 11 games in the Premier League and are seventh in the standings, nine points adrift of leaders Chelsea before Sunday's games.

Liverpool have been keen to raise fresh cash to help challenge for top honours and fund the construction of a new stadium, as well as finance debt estimated at 245 million pounds.
SOS- www.fourfourtwo.com
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..................Reina..................

Glenny......Krygiakos.....Agger......Insua

............Lucas......Masche...................

Kuyt..........................................Benny

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carlsberg are too cheapskates to put 250m..

they have been taking advantages from liverpool for so many years.
i believe around 7m a year.. very cheap for a big club standard.
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and they're also the reason why I don't have our ORIginal jersey... only got unofficial shirts, and some self design Ts...(ok2 I dont have money actually..) But, the idea to change the shirt sponsor will obviously boost the merchandise sales... hoho. Plus Stand. Chart'd will remind our owner about their debt.
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I'm not interested in predicting the line up but imma predict the final score.

4-1. nuff said. ^^
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Hi there guys. New here in lowyat forum. A friend introduced me over here.

Btw, drogba's act against united this morning reminds me of how he fell down so easily playing against us. Very good diver tongue.gif

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I couldn't care less who score.I just want 3 points for the team.I would take it even if it means Vignal scored 10 own goals for us or Reina scored a 70yards screamer like Robinson.

I will take it any day!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 9 2009, 10:55 PM)
I couldn't care less who score.I just want 3 points for the team.I would take it even if it means Vignal scored 10 own goals for us or Reina scored a 70yards screamer like Robinson.

I will take it any day!
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I couldn't care less who score.I just want 3 points for the team.I would take it even if it means Vignal scored 10 own goals for us or Reina scored a 70yards screamer like Robinson.

I will take it any day!
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------------------Reina---------

Glenny----Krygiakos---Agger----Insua

Benayoun--Masc---Lucas-----Babel--

----------Kuyt----------Voronin-----

This is my lineup against birmingham smile.gif

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i thought it was 10/11/09 for the game? coz the game started at 04.00AM..it should be 10/11 instead of 09/11..correct me if i'm wrong..

but at the headline, it stated 09/11.. tongue.gif

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"There has at least been some good news for the beleaguered Benitez in the run up to tonight's clash. The injury crisis which has so hampered his side in recent weeks is showing signs of subsiding, with both Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard expected to start at Anfield this evening, whilst Alberto Aquilani, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Kelly and Martin Skrtel are all in contention for starting places. At least Benitez has options where last time out, at Fulham, he had none."

- Gerrad playing??
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QUOTE(manchurr @ Nov 9 2009, 11:57 PM)
"There has at least been some good news for the beleaguered Benitez in the run up to tonight's clash. The injury crisis which has so hampered his side in recent weeks is showing signs of subsiding, with both Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard expected to start at Anfield this evening, whilst Alberto Aquilani, Fabio Aurelio, Martin Kelly and Martin Skrtel are all in contention for starting places. At least Benitez has options where last time out, at Fulham, he had none."

- Gerrad playing??
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It will be stupid to risk him.He has a serious injury that might need a surgery if it goes even more serious.No point risking him.

N'Gog will do the job tongue.gif
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Eh, off topic, who watched chelsea win over manyoo last night? see the Evans vs Drogba? Evans should get red card on that!



I couldn't believe Evans got away with that and still SAF fumes at referee, Evans should get a red card and chelsea should got a penalty! lol

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Yea way off topic...

Well, i just cant wait to see a few seconds of Aquilanni's debut at Anfield to9 !!!
Awww, less than 3 hours to the game....
Lets smack Birmingham...!

Agger, gv ur best shot...
Voronin, celebrate in front of Rafa if u scores, and if possible, help his hands to raise up....(heck i see rafa celebrates...)
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interesting match vs birmingham tonite.
we're up against one of the better buses in the PL who have the 2nd equal best defence right now.
going to take quite abit to break them down, looks like its going to be a very narrow victory, 1-0?
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woohooo can't wait for the match, hopefully its a good one smile.gif

come on, he has being complainting about referee for his entire life and get away with it. rolleyes.gif

team sheet are out

Reina, Johnson, Insua, Skrtel, Agger, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Benayoun, Riera, Ngog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, Gerrard, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spreaing, Darby.

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Crap,... Torres is not on the list sad.gif Good news is, Voronin is not on the list either tongue.gif
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any live link ?
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i saw the formation. Riera and gerard are there. they both fully fitted for the game?


Added on November 10, 2009, 4:02 amHi skrtel.

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I don't understand why the commentator said its Rafa's last match.

I'll like to skew that guy.
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Wtf. I'm fully impressed wif ngog. Haha geng
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Riera + Ngog partnership (feeding) seems to be full of potential
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Ngog scores!
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N'Gog YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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NGOG!!!!


Added on November 10, 2009, 4:18 amgood double save, but Ngog scores!!!

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Ngog's making alot of chances for himself.
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Sigh, we've conceded again.
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They parked so many people beside hart doh.gif
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huh?!
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wah..gerrard..
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Here come gerard. God bless u riera. Don injure again.
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Riera hamstring again doh.gif see the disappointment on his face sad.gif
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shit..1-2..
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hmm, great. are we heading for another loss?

I hope not, but I don't see where another 2 goals are coming from.
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WAT ARE THE CENTRAL DEFENDERS DOING?????
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Man, I feel bad for Riera.Just right after he get his 1st match, he is injured again.

Thanks for the 1st goal though. smile.gif
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oh god a control match and guess what happen....
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2nd goal conceded was Skrtel's mistake. The long ball was unnecessary as it led to loss of possession.
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the entire back 4 needs to the thrown and drown in the sea.
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bad, bad defending.....
must we lose to birmingham today, rafa?
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where is hyppia type of defending?????????
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Nov 10 2009, 04:54 AM)
the entire back 4 needs to the thrown and drown in the sea.
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Glenny setup a lot of attack and cost 17.5m .You gonna throw him? laugh.gif
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here we go again...

defensive really crap this season.

control game is useless when not scoring.. now bring in aquaman.. lucas boleh balik kampung and take long leave.

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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 04:55 AM)
bad, bad defending.....
must we lose to birmingham today, rafa?
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That is what happens when you miss chance after chance
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Lose Lose and out you go Rafa thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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That sucked. We played pretty well throughout the game, and we got undone by one silly freekick and another "controlled" goal.. We can catch up, definitely now that we have the flair of Gerrard, but really, we need to take our chances. Too many chances wasted in my opinion.

And Riera, what a pity... he was playing soo well sad.gif
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2 goals out of like only 3/4 chances is tough to take, haih, the footballing gods are not with us..its tough watching the match as a liv fan, we're in a terrible patch regardless of what happens in the 2nd half

is rafa taking a risk with stevie here ? blink.gif
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Lose Lose and out you go Rafa thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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I think that's nonsense. Blame Rafa for the player's stupidity of conceding a silly freekick that lead to the first goal? And for some poor marking and awareness that lead to the second? Hella no.
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I feel also putting gerrard in the game in the half time is a risky move, I would be comfortable if he puts babel instead for long range.
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Both the scorer from BFC haven't score yet in league until today.That show how pitiful our defends are.
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Glenny, ngog, riera are damn good today. Contributions all from them. well i nvr sleep for this match. I don wish for a loss again.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:55 AM)
Glenny setup a lot of attack and cost 17.5m .You gonna throw him?  laugh.gif
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okay, not him.
but still we need a tougher defense.
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i am blaiming him cause he din tell those defenders to defend properly and instead go up field for stupid corner kicks only
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playing gerrard is a gamble.. but cant help it.. with the visitors parking the bus.. need someone that can convert chances to goal
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One of the most important 45 minutes in my life. And guess what, it's against Birmingham at Anfield. WTF
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Kuyt was so sporting.Went all the way to the sideline to pass the armband.

Kuyt the man!
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reira good?god...i lost count how many times he shoot the ball onto defenders when he can pass to players in better position.

i thought it was babel wearing his shirt rolleyes.gif
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If today's match is what Benitez could do with an injury stricken team, and looking at previous selection, I think I may have an idea what Benitez is trying to achieve with his defensive line.


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about glenny and insua's play today, they were more attacking than defense. and I am not very fond of this type of game because it'll make skrtle and agger's job difficult if they had strong attacking wingers that'll break them apart.
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Real Madrid is calling Rafa and tats why you see this Result laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:59 AM)
Kuyt was so sporting.Went all the way to the sideline to pass the armband.

Kuyt the man!
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Nov 10 2009, 04:58 AM)
Glenny, ngog, riera are damn good today. Contributions all from them. well i nvr sleep for this match. I don wish for a loss again.
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See that disappointment face on Riera? Damn. He feel so bad for himself that he keep hitting his own head, refusing to believe the hamstring injury is back cry.gif
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i think we still can win this game...gerrard havent touch the ball yet ..come on liverpool!!!!
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If carra is playing, he would have kick the ball away from Jerome. Screw skrtel tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 05:01 AM)
about glenny and insua's play today, they were more attacking than defense. and I am not very fond of this type of game because it'll make skrtle and agger's job difficult if they had strong attacking wingers that'll break them apart.
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And now that Riera's out already, I suppose Insua would continue making attacking runs. But both Johnson and Insua did pretty well smile.gif Benny was a little quiet though.


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:02 AM)
See that disappointment face on Riera? Damn. He feel so bad for himself that he keep hitting his own head, refusing to believe the hamstring injury is back  cry.gif
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Yea, that was a pity sad.gif sad.gif

Feel really bad for him..

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SEVEN DEFEATS IN 9 GAMES

WAT A RECORD FOR THE REDS UNDER RAFA
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Carson Yeung will be laughing at the yanks " Serve you right for being a miser and we screw you at your own turf" rclxs0.gif
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Attacking wingbacks are good for overlapping, and they provide good cover for central too when needed.

Hence the need for defensive midfieldiers to clamp down and make good passes so that the wingers can make their runs and break down the defenses.

For this match, its lively.

But we've conceded 2 VERY EASY goals.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Nov 10 2009, 05:04 AM)
SEVEN DEFEATS IN 9 GAMES

WAT A RECORD FOR THE REDS UNDER RAFA
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What happened to the YNWA spirit? Talk trash once we lose, but we haven't lost yet dawg! biggrin.gif
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The most important 45minutes for Rafa

I wont be surprised if he get sack right after the match.

Whether it's his tactic or the players' faults, the yanks couldn't care less.

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Hey, we still have 45 minutes to play.. Lets show some support!
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stop the kneejerk reaction. it's really unbecoming of you ppl......

fine i missed the 1st birm goal so ill assume it was poor defending, but honestly do you expect such a goal for their 2nd? if the CB came out to try get jerome he might just jinked past as he muscled through masch already... there's nothing to do for the 2nd goal tbh....

need to keep the midfield tighter, stop the counter attack and just try to get shots on goals in the 2nd half..... we were doing well in attack imo.....
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we failed to make chances count. that's our biggest mistake.
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kk.. fingers crossed everybody!
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FINAL SCORE

1 VS 4

LOL
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damn liverfools.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Nov 10 2009, 06:10 AM)
FINAL SCORE

1 VS 4

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dammit if some of us could stop overreacting already...im starting to think these Liverfools started supporting the club after last season..

we still have 45 minutes to go god dammit, and we are playing in Anfield and its just a 1 goal deficit , stop behaving like its the end of the world ffs...jeez idiots... doh.gif
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Purslow there.Must be monitoring the match for the yanks.
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now its not time for the debates, rally behind the team!

we can do all the debates later.

YNWA
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The game is jus began. I saw liverpool spirit now.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:31 amGlenny is damn good today. He can even be a winger.

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I have to admit:

1) we're not breaking through despite the chances.

2) credits to birmingham's defenders.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:33 amhoping for a substitution that'll bring the much needed goals for us!

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penalty...yeah
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Ngog. Man of the match. Wtf
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huh!?
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tell me its a penalty...
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oh crap, i'm lagging 5 minutes behind I think.

grrr..

bad penalty!
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goal..yeahh
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Lol ngog. Potential diver. Haha
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that was a dive. definitely. no pride in that goal. great run tho.
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dont fakin care if its a dive or not.. i take it..
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Why N'gog get the card and penalty?

If dive then no penalty, no? tongue.gif

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so Ngog got carded for diving?

I say good call though.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:37 ambad refereeing perhaps?


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:38 amthe old faithful are now screaming.

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Nov 10 2009, 05:37 AM)
so Ngog got carded for diving?

I say good call though.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:37 ambad refereeing perhaps?


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:38 amthe old faithful are now screaming.
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zzz benny injured? doh.gif
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omg. Aquaman out for benayoun.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:41 amomg. Aquaman out for benayoun. Opps no. Its babel.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:46 amWeeeeeee. Aquaman.

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Mr aquilani..
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Aquilani GOGO!
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Shit la. Few mins left. Pls. I sacrifice my sleeping time for it.


Added on November 10, 2009, 5:57 amGone. We got 1point

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Gawd... the f***'s up with our luck?
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LOL, a draw that we didn't deserve. *Sigh*
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ah.. ngog looks like c.ronaldo in the making (diver).. We played very well today, but still can't get a win sad.gif
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Who can post up wads our on target shoot? Lol last 45mins is the most epic half game i ever watch in this season
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After 1-2 up, you gotta expect them to be parking the damn bus in front of the goal.
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ah.. ngog looks like c.ronaldo in the making (diver).. We played very well today, but still can't get a win sad.gif
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It wasn't a blatant dive, it was more like his momentum, but still, a dive is a dive.
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I think we need a bus driver to drive the bus away, or smash the goddamn wall to bits.

I seriously think that.
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dissapointed..

rafa should ask himself a month pay cut for the team poor performance and put it inside the transfer kitty.

waste my sleep time.. bye bye mau tido


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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 AM)
Who can post up wads our on target shoot? Lol last 45mins is the most epic half game i ever watch in this season
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How EPIC?
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:00 AM)
ah.. ngog looks like c.ronaldo in the making (diver).. We played very well today, but still can't get a win sad.gif
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He is too inexperienced to be compared with Ronaldo His leg should at least make a little contact like Ronaldo did tongue.gif

Anyway, ugly 1 point we have.Should have been 0.

It saves us 1 point but I wonder if it will save Rafa's job.

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we resort to diving to salvage a point? what a disgrace
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I noticed the game tempo become slow and less running into penalty box once lucas being substitued. Seems like aquilani position is behind gerrard. Thought that his in front of the captain. sweat.gif
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Damn.. if and only if Gerrard's header hit the inner part of the post and rolled in... sigh


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That wasn't a blatant dive.. again. I'm not too sure, but if you look closely, I think there was contact on Ngog's right foot. The one at the back.

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we resort to diving to salvage a point? what a disgrace
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aquilani played, but to me his performance today still didn't justify his 20m tag
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 06:06 AM)
aquilani played, but to me his performance today still didn't justify his 20m tag
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it just 10 minutes...
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 06:06 AM)
aquilani played, but to me his performance today still didn't justify his 20m tag
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That's just freaking 7minutes for god's sake. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

And for someone who has been injured since last year, it takes time, dude!


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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Nov 10 2009, 06:07 AM)
it just 10 minutes...
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It's 7! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:04 AM)

That wasn't a blatant dive.. again. I'm not too sure, but if you look closely, I think there was contact on Ngog's right foot. The one at the back.
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if a manc does it, i call it a dive. if a blue does it, i call it a dive. a gunner does it, it's still a dive. I just can't blind an eye and be happy about it.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:07 AM)
That's just freaking 7minutes for god's sake.  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

And for someone who has been injured since last year, it takes time, dude!


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It's 7! tongue.gif
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He can wait but Benitez is running out of time.
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QUOTE(popsoul @ Nov 10 2009, 06:08 AM)
He can wait but Benitez is running out of time.
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Nothing we can do about it at the moment.Still, the money to compensate Rafa's contract seems to be saving Rafa's ass at the moment.

The backline are shitty and Carra was shaking his head wink.gif

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lol u judge aquilani for 8mins? Haha glenny is super on form and damn good. He'll be another star. Lucas relatively well. Ngog is lol.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 07:07 AM)
That's just freaking 7minutes for god's sake.  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

And for someone who has been injured since last year, it takes time, dude!

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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 06:06 AM)
aquilani played, but to me his performance today still didn't justify his 20m tag
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too early to judge him.. shud wait until he play a full 90 minutes game

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I dunno, i saw glimpse of hope in some of aquilani's movements. 8 minutes is too short of a time anyway.

Again babel was dissapointing with miss passes, running into defenders and simply waiting for the ball 90% of the time.

Rest of the team did well enough. Good runs from ngog is a good sign. The 'dive' was tough to judge as the defender didnt get the ball at all and if it wasnt that ngog's step was so large (haha) it wouldve plowed through his legs anyway.

Still need to step up in defending set pieces though, but i cant blame the defence for the 2nd birm goal as it was a superb strike. And still need to find a way to crack that parked bus tongue.gif
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overall it was a good game for us compared to fulham match

if golden boy was playing,i'm sure we could reach 3-2 :B
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haih, a win in 9 games, this is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH ! we have pretty much the same squad.. glen for arby, aqui for alon, krgy for hyp.. injuries is part of the game, heck, gerrard n torres only played together 14matches all of last season n we got into the ecl quarters n 86points is the highest for sometime.. n this season ? i just dont understand whats going on in the team.
rafa aint a risk taker but though i thought lucas was much btr (though at times he dwell a lil long on the ball)..he certaily aint a final3rd player to me.. he even had a chance in the 1st half where a lazy sliced left foot shot should rather be a composed 2 touch goal ! he has so much experience..n he aint that young anymore! gosh !
i tot aqulani should come on the same time as babel..though lucas was hardworking n winning the ball back..
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Nov 10 2009, 06:10 AM)
lol u judge aquilani for 8mins? Haha glenny is super on form and damn good. He'll be another star. Lucas relatively well. Ngog is lol.
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To be honest,N'Gog played well but the dive was really something disgraceful.Now, he is on par with Gerrard and one spot behind Torres in the goal scoring chart.

Glenny played well.No question about that.Most of the attack was set up by him.Well worth of the 17.5m we spent on him.

Riera started up quite well, capped with an assist but the hamstring haunt him once more.


2-2 is not bad news.The bad news is


we are losing benny and Riera on Hamstring injury.

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oh, no wonder Benny seemed to have lost the spark.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:14 AM)
To be honest,N'Gog played well but the dive was really something disgraceful.Now, he is on par with Gerrard and one spot behind Torres in the goal scoring chart.

Glenny played well.No question about that.Most of the attack was set up by him.Well worth of the 17.5m we spent on him.

Riera started up quite well, capped with an assist but the hamstring haunt him once more.
2-2 is not bad news.The bad news is
we are losing benny and Riera on Hamstring injury.

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lucky thing its the international break now.. yes glenny certainly adds dimension to our attack but mcfadden aint gonna track back like kuyt does, so against better teams n top teams..his defense will come to attention where at times he can be very fragile.. he needs to improve defensively
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about our fullbacks, I think they should concentrate more on defense than attack. i like to think them as an "option" instead of being in an attacking strategy. give an example of steve finnan and riise. what i don't like to see is that after insua or glen passed the ball to someone, they don't step back to prepare for defend, instead they push further in front and gives chances to counter attacks.
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Nov 10 2009, 06:14 AM)
haih, a win in 9 games, this is just NOT GOOD ENOUGH ! we have pretty much the same squad.. glen for arby, aqui for alon, krgy for hyp.. injuries is part of the game, heck, gerrard n torres only played together 14matches all of last season n we got into the ecl quarters n 86points is the highest for sometime.. n this season ? i just dont understand whats going on in the team.
rafa aint a risk taker but though i thought lucas was much btr (though at times he dwell a lil long on the ball)..he certaily aint a final3rd player to me.. he even had a chance in the 1st half where a lazy sliced left foot shot should rather be a composed 2 touch goal ! he has so much experience..n he aint that young anymore! gosh !
i tot aqulani should come on the same time as babel..though lucas was hardworking n winning the ball back..
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that's the thing, we've only been replacing players instead of having a set team and adding more talent to it. The fact is the league quality went up another notch or two again this season and it's no suprise with all the money that's coming into the premier league. Injuries are part of the game but not when most of the regular first eleven gets it. Heck i dont think that the back 4 had more than 2 games in a row with the same players in the defensive line.

Regardless, today's play is much better, and only time will tell if this will continue. YNWA thumbup.gif


EDIT : rather than add another post tongue.gif ..... Unless i'm wrong if one of the fullbacks goes up, the other should stay in defense to maintain at least 3 defenders at the back and that extra defensive midfield should in theory at least be able to provide enough cover against a counter attack. Although i actually didnt keep track of where the fullbacks are during this game but that's what the team should be like. In fact the current setup is that our fullbacks are actually wing backs meaning they do alot of attacking down the sides as we don't actually have true wingers (apart from riera, and even then he is not stuck there anymore). That's where that extra defensive midfield comes into play.

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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Nov 10 2009, 06:08 AM)
if a manc does it, i call it a dive. if a blue does it, i call it a dive. a gunner does it, it's still a dive. I just can't blind an eye and be happy about it.
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As I already said, it IS a dive, just not a blatant one. But I don't feel it's a "disgrace". But still, as I said earlier, a dive IS dive.


Added on November 10, 2009, 6:21 amNgog, Lucas, Babel, Riera all had a good game smile.gif That's pretty good smile.gif

Johnson and Gerrard were both outstanding. Insua and Skrtel were both a little wasteful, whereas Benny wasn't into the game at all sad.gif

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out of desperation.. Ngog cant do anything in that situation but to fall down.. it's controversial and i am prepared to be flamed.. lol..

kuyt should do the headers in the box instead of crosses.. relying solely on Ngog is just too much for him..

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the team needs aerial coaching. ha ha!
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There is no way of sugar coating it really. It was a pathetic result. Almost losing to a team in the bottom 5, at home? Sure we have injuries but in reina, agger, skrtel, johnson, benayoun, kuyt, mascherano n riera we have 8 internationals. We should still be expected to win should we not? One win in nine?


Added on November 10, 2009, 8:03 amFor those coming in here wondering why that **** got reported... No harm in coming in and talking about the dive. A fact is indeed a fact but when u come in with the clear intent of stirring up something, you cross the line, its that simple really. Geeze mancs in particular would know right? Even if I wrote a post with content, I'd still get violent objections if I said ronaldo dived.

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agreed with duke. this is a bread and butter game.. it should BE an easy win.. we just need to win this kind of games IF we want to challenge for top honours.

at the end of a storm, theres a golden sky..... sad.gif
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I guess now and most likely, is to challenge whether Liverpool will be qualified for next UCL...It is such an eye sore really, but things like this could happen sometime. You don't really expect to win every game playing at home, sometimes you draw.

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its not a storm, its a frickin' hurricane! xD
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So what ? we still support liverpool unlike glory hunter man...thats not a problem...it is time to show passion not glory hunter....like those ppl coming in troll for fun...haha
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QUOTE(tape23 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:04 AM)
agreed with duke. this is a bread and butter game.. it should BE an easy win.. we just need to win this kind of games IF we want to challenge for top honours.

at the end of a storm, theres a golden sky..... sad.gif
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I didnt create the story. I just post it here. Its related to LFC so whats wrong with that? Regardless whether its inside the penalty box or not, a dive is a dive..and i'm happy to get reported for posting the truth..

Idolise a diver? Maybe you..
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QUOTE(caballero206 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:57 AM)
I didnt create the story. I just post it here. Its related to LFC so whats wrong with that? Regardless whether its inside the penalty box or not, a dive is a dive..and i'm happy to get reported for posting the truth..

Idolise a diver? Maybe you..
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QUOTE(caballero206 @ Nov 10 2009, 08:57 AM)
I didnt create the story. I just post it here. Its related to LFC so whats wrong with that? Regardless whether its inside the penalty box or not, a dive is a dive..and i'm happy to get reported for posting the truth..

Idolise a diver? Maybe you..
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There is nothing wrong for posting the reports but instead of discussing the dive you choose to insult the team... that is the man problem.

We all know Ngog dived for the PK and that is true, we are not denying it and I think some of us felt ashamed as we got a draw because of the penalty kick.

I do think we welcome a healthy discussion rather than posting the word Shame on you.....
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For those who not satified with the penalty, please do complain to ref, not here.
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I have reviewed the penalty in the overall context and IMO its a penalty.
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QUOTE(caballero206 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:16 AM)
Haihh..very difficult Liverpool got fan like you..

My last question here..(u dont need to reply if you got no brain)..

Did Ngog deliberately dives to get a penalty last nite, yes or no?
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Idiot, if people don't reply to you means they've got no brain?

That's the most maliciously fallacious statement I've heard. Not to mention a +1 on your stupidity. Go troll your own forums, ye glory hunter.

Don't let me catch you trolling here again.


Added on November 10, 2009, 9:55 amAnyways, since I have the time left before work, I'm gonna post my few thoughts.


1) We dominated, but we didn't capitalize on certain "sitters", which I don't think we can blame anyone since we're playing Ngog in front with Kuyt + Benny supplying the balls left and right.

Overall, Johnson proves he's a GREAT option when we need the attacking edge. I was very vocal about his long range passing and his tendency to shoot more than to cross acurately, but I believe he's going to have what it takes to be an "attacking defender".

The only thing he lacks is an ACCURATE ROCKET SHOT

As for Insua, he makes a versatile defender, just like Johnson, but I think he needs more space, because most of the time he just doesn't cut through where it matters (and ends up shooting at the wall)

Glad to have Gerrard back, we missed that flair. Somehow there was something weird between him and Aquilani, but I think it can be sorted out after few matches.

Aquilani? (The little Prince) I'll wait at least 10 matches before giving an opinion. And I mean 10 full matches, not 10x10 minutes display. Remember Torres? We gave him that space to breathe. We should give him that space too, to prove himself.

Babel as usual = big flop. I was still thinking that Ngog > Babel, had Babel been given the start I doubt he'll convert those chances. Not that Babel doesn't deliver, he's a fine lad, but tries too hard to be someone else who he isn't meant to be (Messi, anyone?) Babel is becoming more of a "poacher" style striker, so I'm not so sure if it works with the tandem of our attacking fulcrum which relies on a physically fit, pacy and technically adept striker.

Ngog; what can I say about him? He's developing well, but its too early to say "YES" or "NO". He reminds me of a certain poacher (not Owen), but someone who is in between paces and positioning. We all have seen how he missed the sitters, but given the fact that he's got decent positioning, I'm going to look at probability of our midfielders not being able to supply the ball accurately.

Benny: 1st half = good, by the time he got subbed he was nearly sinking. Let's hope our Israeli will recover fast and generate that momentum that we all liked about him.

That's all for now.




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Well, from what I can see, at least MOST of our people are not in denial.
We think that it's a dive and the draw was not glorious or sorts. We had chances but didn't took them.

Actually i'd rather take a lost than a draw with a dive.

To those mu trolls over here, get a life will ya. laugh.gif

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Ngog definitely diving..haha..
Johnson, really good dribbling to cut 2 players into the penalty area.
Anyway, we are looking into next game. Man city.
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QUOTE(anip94 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:47 AM)
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glad to see that you guys arent living in denial laugh.gif unlike some other people...

a point is still a point, regardless how you get it. the actions of getting it is another issue to be dealt with by FA, the club etc.

Dun care bout those trolls, me and the rest of us have no relation nor any intention to have one with them.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 10 2009, 08:33 AM)
what golden sky? more like a golden shower...pissing down all over the team tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Nov 10 2009, 09:43 AM)
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There's no 2 ways about it now, we're screwed this season. When you cant beat a relegation candidate at home, there's seriously something wrong. As Duke point out, with the internationals out there playing, we should be beating them convincingly. Hell, its gonna be a long hard season for us just to get into top 4.

At least Ngog is progressing nicely, in a nice & bad aspect of his game wink.gif

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Those manyoo trolls here tak puas hati Ngog dive dapat penalty, they should be grateful Evans kick Drogba and still play for 90 minutes doh.gif doh.gif Well.. At least they got SAF to bark at referee..

Ah, Ngog.. that guy got potential to be as good as CRonaldo doh.gif doh.gif I bet he kena scold with Gerrard at Melwood today
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:59 AM)
Those manyoo trolls here tak puas hati Ngog dive dapat penalty, they should be grateful Evans kick Drogba and still play for 90 minutes doh.gif doh.gif Well.. At least they got SAF to bark at referee..

Ah, Ngog.. that guy got potential to be as good as CRonaldo doh.gif doh.gif I bet he kena scold with Gerrard at Melwood today
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Nov 10 2009, 10:59 AM)
Those manyoo trolls here tak puas hati Ngog dive dapat penalty, they should be grateful Evans kick Drogba and still play for 90 minutes doh.gif doh.gif Well.. At least they got SAF to bark at referee..

Ah, Ngog.. that guy got potential to be as good as CRonaldo doh.gif doh.gif I bet he kena scold with Gerrard at Melwood today
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Get scolded by Gerrard? I was thinking that Gerrard will ask for tips on how to dive to get a Penalty... laugh.gif

Anyone know how many goals that we scored in the set pieces? If I m not wrong we might only have scored 1-2 goals I think this is the main reason why our team suxk in defending set-pieces.....
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QUOTE(darrengoh @ Nov 10 2009, 10:38 AM)
Ngog definitely diving..haha..
Johnson, really good dribbling to cut 2 players into the penalty area.
Anyway, we are looking into next game. Man city.
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It was not a professional dive. He should take lessons from Rooney or Gerard. If he was seeking a penalty he would have left a trailing leg. He was trying to evade a professional tackle. IMHO.
Question is was he prevented from scoring from the referee's POV?
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Haha, you see the cultural difference here?

Just my humble opinion, nothing to do with other people.
Here goes.

Liverpool's tradition is to play clean football, from what I have seen since day 1 I supported Liverpool (correct me if I'm wrong).
Now N'gog dived, the fans and teammates and even Manager might criticize and the players will refrain from doing it too much if not ever again. Dirty playing is not encouraged. Well, that's the Liverpool I know.

On the other hand, other team(s) might have players diving in & out of games, still, they get no heavy critics from the fans / teammates / manger, so, they feel that it is ok to dive again and again. Sometimes, when they win a game by diving, they'll get the praise INTERNALLY if not in the public.

Again stressing that this is just my PERSONAL opinion, you're always welcomed to deny / agree to my statement as nobody is always right. smile.gif

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It was not a professional dive. He should take lessons from Rooney or Gerard.
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It's kinda creepy to say that it was not a professional dive and the referee knew about it already gave Ngog a yellow card, yet Liverpool still manage to secure a penalty...I don't wanna talk about it further. grumble.gif
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QUOTE(cheez @ Nov 10 2009, 11:08 AM)
Haha, you see the cultural difference here?

Just my humble opinion, nothing to do with other people.
Here goes.

Liverpool's tradition is to play clean football, from what I have seen since day 1 I supported Liverpool (correct me if I'm wrong).
Now N'gog dived, the fans and teammates and even Manager might criticize and the players will refrain from doing it too much if not ever again. Dirty playing is not encouraged. Well, that's the Liverpool I know.

On the other hand, other team(s) might have players diving in & out of games, still, they get no heavy critics from the fans / teammates / manger, so, they feel that it is ok to dive again and again. Sometimes, when they win a game by diving, they'll get the praise INTERNALLY if not in the public.

Again stressing that this is just my PERSONAL opinion, you're always welcomed to deny / agree to my statement as nobody is always right. smile.gif

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Not to say im condoning diving, but in the context of how our season is fast unbecoming, I think Rafa will be thanking Ngog for that laugh.gif

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we need a different style of play... all teams have learned how to stop Liverpool from scoring... until we play differently (either by rafa's different tactic, or by some other manager - which i don't know), i dont see any bright light coming May...

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every football player dive...

ronaldo dive, drogba dive, gerrard dive...

but for christ sake don't act like f**king saint and liverpool aren't a clean team....
tradionally playing clean football..? LOL

the losing team will always resort to anything to win back the game and that's the fact

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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 11:21 AM)
every football player dive...

ronaldo dive, drogba dive, gerrard dive...

but for christ sake don't act like f**king saint and liverpool aren't a clean team....
tradionally playing clean football..? LOL

the losing team will always resort to anything to win back the game and that's the fact
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of course ngog dive but at least he do it in the penalty area.not like some other players that dive frequently all over the place...
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I waited till 2.30am, then I fell asleep on the couch..
when I woke up.. it's 6.30am..... cry.gif

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My notion of whether a 'dive' deserves a penalty or not may differ from a number of you guys.

Just like a boxer s'times one has to 'roll with the punches' to mitigate or break one's fall else break his neck albeit it might look like a dive. Like in Eduardo's case most of you believe that Eduardo's penalty was a dive. IMO that was a correct call.

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For an act to be a foul it must:
be a specific offense listed in Law 12 of the Laws of the Game (other infractions, for example technical infractions at restarts, are not deemed to be fouls);
be committed by a player (not a substitute);
be committed against an opponent, when applicable (a player striking the referee or a teammate, for example, is not a foul, but a misconduct)
occur while the ball is in play.

A direct free kick offense occurs when a player commits any of the following in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

Kicking or attempting to kick an opponent
Tripping or attempting to trip an opponent
Jumping at an opponent
Charging an opponent
Striking or attempting to strike an opponent
Pushing an opponent
Tackling an opponent


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So used to losing points... Hehehe...

At least N'Gog is trustworthy now... Voronin and Babel doh.gif

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QUOTE(faizdtk @ Nov 10 2009, 11:38 AM)
of course ngog dive but at least he do it in the penalty area.not like some other players that dive frequently all over the place...

how's that better? he dives when it matters?
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Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, 1st League Draw- Bad boy N'Gog (English Clubs)

The title showed that we agreed that N'gog dived.
Nuff said, trolls, save your saliva.
Guys, stop giving chances for them to troll. please.

Keep the thread clean. laugh.gif
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aiyo.. why people bising2 because of 1 dive?? the ref should be the culprit not the diver...
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 10 2009, 11:12 AM)
It's kinda creepy to say that it was not a professional dive and the referee knew about it already gave Ngog a yellow card, yet Liverpool still manage to secure a penalty...I don't wanna talk about it further.    grumble.gif
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i think the yellow card is for the arguement between ngog and carsley(i think is him,or is it carr?) after the tackle..

jz my humble oponion..bad boy ngog shakehead.gif

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Terrible result.....a draw at home to Birmingham? its = 1/3 of a win and 2/3 of a defeat..

and the fact that we are comforting ourselves by saying `its an improved display' shows the kind of trouble we're in....
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QUOTE(manx @ Nov 10 2009, 11:49 AM)
aiyo.. why people bising2 because of 1 dive?? the ref should be the culprit not the diver...
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becoz Man Utd just have a bad week...then they turn to us.....tats all.... nod.gif nod.gif
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aiyo.. why people bising2 because of 1 dive?? the ref should be the culprit not the diver...
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Yup, agree. We must respect the decision that ref make...
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becoz Man Utd just have a bad week...then they turn to us.....tats all.... nod.gif  nod.gif
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that should knock some senses haha..

but yeah, like it or not, that dive avoided another loss, somore at home...so suck it up b****es, 1 point is better than none, right? wink.gif

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QUOTE(atten @ Nov 10 2009, 01:24 PM)
yeah .. so if ref give the same decision for the same thing happen to other team against kops... u must support that too

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poor team ... need to cheat/dive ,, just to get 1 point only ..

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haha.. go and count how many points your team gain by cheating?? then come back and argue...


Added on November 10, 2009, 1:35 pmanyway there is nothing to argue about now. Let us (the fans) think what is best for our team/club.

anyway, i just wonder, since we are not winning EPL/BPL for 20years, why there are so many MU fans still fear our existence?? they are still jealous with the same 18 title we won or what?? Or because Torres said he only wants to play for Liverpool??

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QUOTE(manx @ Nov 10 2009, 11:49 AM)
the ref should be the culprit not the diver...
??? the diver shouldnt have dived. doesnt matter if the ref got it right or wrong. a dive is a dive
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reira good?god...i lost count how many times he shoot the ball onto defenders when he can pass to players in better position.

i thought it was babel wearing his shirt rolleyes.gif
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speaking of which (and lets forget that we are in relegation form at the moment doh.gif) iirc both babel and reira really really impressed when they made their debuts for us - wingers with pace, skills, height and directness that we were lacking... so what happened? Surely the owners cannot be the ones to blamed here?

and rafa's complaining about the previous academy whistling.gif


i might be overcritical here, but surely there are better ways to deal with Ngog than this...

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A simple "tak nampak' would have sufficed, followed by a behind closed doors telling to. Where's the love rafa?

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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Nov 10 2009, 09:43 AM)
I have reviewed the penalty in the overall context and IMO its a penalty.
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I agree with you, and most people who actually play football would too. He did not throw himself on the ground appealing for a foul. Its just basic instincts. If you're about to beat a defender, and he gets into your way, you most probably would put your hands out, and prepare for a foul. If you watch the incident again, you would realize that Ngog wasn't really stable and the defender got into his way, and most importantly, the defender didn't even go a mile near the ball. Defenders + tackles in penalty box + don't get the ball = 99% penalty.

I wish to stress that I HATE divers, but I just don't feel Ngog's fall was a blatant dive. To those Mancs questioning our stance on diving, look back at Ronaldo's videos, and you'd be able to understand what an actual dive is. Also, I don't remember seeing Ngog on the ground clutching his leg and screaming as though someone stuck a stud in his *******...


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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 11:21 AM)
every football player dive...

ronaldo dive, drogba dive, gerrard dive...

but for christ sake don't act like f**king saint and liverpool aren't a clean team....
tradionally playing clean football..? LOL

the losing team will always resort to anything to win back the game and that's the fact
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And f*** off. I tried putting that in words in Manc's thread, and I was given the stick. So, really, we don't need no shit from you saying we ain't no clean team no nothing. Keep it to your thread.

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it irks me though that the majority of the press is making it look as if we played terribly last night, which was hardly the case...


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QUOTE(bearbear @ Nov 10 2009, 05:00 AM)
reira good?god...i lost count how many times he shoot the ball onto defenders when he can pass to players in better position.

i thought it was babel wearing his shirt rolleyes.gif
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Wha? Riera NOT good? He made a LOT of difference to our rather "slow" team. He dribbled a lot, provided many wide passes, contributed in the first goal, and tore apart the defense on several occasions. Yes, he was a little greedy, but with others playing TOO safe by passing the ball without having a crack at the Hart, I think he did the right thing. We ought to understand that we aren't Arsenal. Their players can bring the ball from the goalkeeper, and attack real quick, and finally pass the ball into the net with an easy tap. We have a different team, and I personally think Riera did brilliantly.


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it irks me though that the majority of the press is making it look as if we played terribly last night, which was hardly the case...
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Reporters = Manchester United fans. They're all the same. They don't watch the game, they don't know who played, they don't know where the game was played. They check the news provided to them, see that Liverpool drew with Birmingham at home, and somehow would manage to come up with the news that Liverpool played horribly, and Birmingham deserved the victory.

That damn thing happened in school, and I almost got into a fight.. effing shit.

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it's not a blatant dive..

brum defender tackle but didn't touch the ball... ngog jump to avoid and striker instinct kick in. if the defender got the ball is different story la.

the situation is a 50-50 penalty. some ref may not give it. we seen worse..
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 10 2009, 01:57 PM)
it's not a blatant dive..

brum defender tackle but didn't touch the ball... ngog jump to avoid and striker instinct kick in. if the defender got the ball is different story la.

the situation is a 50-50 penalty. some ref may not give it. we seen worse..
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Right on. People, just don't seem to understand it.

Like when Ronaldo falls when the defender next to him sneezes, and immediately calls the medics to rush to his aid. The defender would get a red card, and Man U would get a penalty. Yeap, that's a FAIR penalty. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(manx @ Nov 10 2009, 01:26 PM)
haha.. go and count how many points your team gain by cheating?? then come back and argue...


Added on November 10, 2009, 1:35 pmanyway there is nothing to argue about now. Let us (the fans) think what is best for our team/club.

anyway, i just wonder, since we are not winning EPL/BPL for 20years, why there are so many MU fans still fear our existence?? they are still jealous with the same 18 title we won or what?? Or because Torres said he only wants to play for Liverpool??
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big loser ... always make many excuses ....

low class team ....
poor guy ... loserrrrrrrrrrrrr

want to report me?????????? go ahead
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sudah sudah ler... diorang bukan paham pun... sama macam cakap dengan pintu je... buat derk je...
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QUOTE(atten @ Nov 10 2009, 02:11 PM)
big loser  ... always make many excuses ....

low class team ....
poor guy ... loserrrrrrrrrrrrr

want to report me?????????? go ahead
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laugh.gif that day kalah didnt give excuse meh??
mirror yourself first before saying to others...

i am not reporting kaki...


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Your mom loves gay cock. Report me b****.
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rilex dude... no point arguing...

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Another disappointing result. Could have posted here during the match but for some reasons my streamyx fail-ed on me.
A little inexperience from Ngog. He could have won it for us. He should have dragged his leg towards Carsley's legs atleast he could have caught him a little.
Referee did the right thing at that time since his view is the same as what we're watching at the time and i would have thought it was a penalty too.
Aquilani didnt do much except for 1 or 2 long passes and some burst 1-2 passes that didnt materialise well. But it was above decent for 10 minutes. nod.gif
I take nothing our of the 2nd goal from Birmingham. Reina needs to grow a few inches taller to save the shot. One of his weakness like we saw in the Lyon game.

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QUOTE(manx @ Nov 10 2009, 01:26 PM)
haha.. go and count how many points your team gain by cheating?? then come back and argue...


Added on November 10, 2009, 1:35 pmanyway there is nothing to argue about now. Let us (the fans) think what is best for our team/club.

anyway, i just wonder, since we are not winning EPL/BPL for 20years, why there are so many MU fans still fear our existence?? they are still jealous with the same 18 title we won or what?? Or because Torres said he only wants to play for Liverpool??
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we are not scared of ur existence, LOLLL
in fact it was the other way around

it was u guys who is always ranting about the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc that is always on our side.

Today, it proved that liverpool player is blatant cheater and that's the fact!!
it shows us clearly that liverpool are as filthy and dirty as other EPL team

so next time when MU win a match, u guys stop b1tching about us and we will stop complaining about yours
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:21 PM)
Another disappointing result. Could have posted here during the match but for some reasons my streamyx fail-ed on me.
A little inexperience from Ngog. He could have won it for us. He should have dragged his leg towards Carsley's legs atleast he could have caught him a little.
Referee did the right thing at that time since his view is the same as what we're watching at the time and i would have thought it was a penalty too.
Aquilani didnt do much except for 1 or 2 long passes and some burst 1-2 passes that didnt materialise well. But it was above decent for 10 minutes.  nod.gif
I take nothing our of the 2nd goal from Birmingham. Reina needs to grow a few inches taller to save the shot. One of his weakness like we saw in the Lyon game.
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2nd goal was truly amazing by Jerome and it's hard to argue. I guess we should be looking at a way to improve our attacks. we have so many people to control in midfield but we can't put it into a goal, unless we play Torres, else our balls are floating around inside the box. ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(faizdtk @ Nov 10 2009, 11:38 AM)
of course ngog dive but at least he do it in the penalty area.not like some other players that dive frequently all over the place...
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laugh.gif Quote of the day
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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 02:23 PM)
we are not scared of ur existence, LOLLL
in fact it was the other way around

it was u guys who is always ranting about the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc that is always on our side.

Today, it proved that liverpool player is blatant cheater and that's the fact!!
it shows us clearly that liverpool are as filthy and dirty as other EPL team

so next time when MU win a match, u guys stop b1tching about us and we will stop complaining about yours
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??????

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! classic! classic!!!!!!

hey bro..apa masalah hang???? no life? you're here to tell us to stop bi***** about you? what in the world is your problem???? Come on...... what do you want?

i've been in this forum and many other forums.....mixing with fans from rival teams....sometimes i wonder.....how childish people can be...?

let me give you a piece of good advice...loosen up....!! being a keyboard warrior tak kan dapat apa apa....buat malu engkau je...
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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 02:23 PM)
it was u guys who is always ranting about the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc that is always on our side.


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QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 02:23 PM)
we are not scared of ur existence, LOLLL
in fact it was the other way around

it was u guys who is always ranting about the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc that is always on our side.

Today, it proved that liverpool player is blatant cheater and that's the fact!!
it shows us clearly that liverpool are as filthy and dirty as other EPL team

so next time when MU win a match, u guys stop b1tching about us and we will stop complaining about yours
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aiseh... now that the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc are not on ManUtd's side.. not only u, SAF also start complaining already... too get used to the nice treatment already eh?


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Damn, I hate these trolls who come in and dirty our thread @_@

And it fact its worse than when we beat Man U earlier...

Come on, ref makes mistakes...if you guys were in Ngog's boots, I bet 90% of you will fall/dive for goodness's sake.

Stop trolling our thread cause it'll just show that Manure fans are immature fans who curse other's team when yours are in a bad shape as well.


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The referee's a "robber" hahaha stupidity at its very best.


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lol. here come of all sore losers.
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As in Man U fans, then yeap.

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hmm.. the amount of bitterness of the manc in this thread..

just curious, did any of liverpool fans here go trolling on the manc thread after they win / draw / lose referee-rob-them?





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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 10 2009, 02:50 PM)
hmm.. the amount of bitterness of the manc in this thread..

just curious, did any of liverpool fans here go trolling on the manc thread after they win / draw / lose referee-rob-them?
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To them, talking sense = trolling, congratulating them = trolling, breathing near them = trolling.

But those b****es come here and talk ass.. f***in shit pisses me off..
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 10 2009, 02:50 PM)
hmm.. the amount of bitterness of the manc in this thread..

just curious, did any of liverpool fans here go trolling on the manc thread after they win / draw / lose referee-rob-them?
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Funny how last season when we were robbed by referee in the game against Stoke , they were laughing in the thread and didn't come in to say "a word of justice" like they did now.

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The more bitter they are, the happier I am. icon_idea.gif

At least there's something to cheer about after that disgraceful dive. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 10 2009, 02:50 PM)
hmm.. the amount of bitterness of the manc in this thread..

just curious, did any of liverpool fans here go trolling on the manc thread after they win / draw / lose referee-rob-them?
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cant even do a research.
They cry-cry go and report any post from us.

Im here by clearing my name,visionary1993, that i have never troll in any other threads biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 10 2009, 02:50 PM)
hmm.. the amount of bitterness of the manc in this thread..

just curious, did any of liverpool fans here go trolling on the manc thread after they win / draw / lose referee-rob-them?
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thats the difference.... whistling.gif
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haha. Its reminds me dat this diver actually owned a squad at 90+6mins. And its 2-0. FT. And i rmb dat squad there's a fat guy dives oftenly like in the pool.
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shr..rooney dives against arsenal couple seasons ago?
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Come on ! Lvpool...I dont really like what happened now....I always watch Lvpool play...follow my dad.....still watch Lvpool game with my dad if I got time....I think Rafa need to think about reinforcement this January....splash on a good 1st teamer player...
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:21 PM)
I take nothing our of the 2nd goal from Birmingham. Reina needs to grow a few inches taller to save the shot. One of his weakness like we saw in the Lyon game.
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This really a mistake by Liverpool team, they should drag time till 1st half break. Besides, how many mins added for stoppage time?
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This really a mistake by Liverpool team, they should drag time till 1st half break. Besides, how many mins added for stoppage time?
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4 Minutes.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:35 PM)
Mind  to remind me who was the manager complaining about referee 4 games in a row?  rolleyes.gif
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and it comes from a manager that blame on the pitch for his teams loss.. whistling.gif

QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:40 PM)
Damn, I hate these trolls who come in and dirty our thread @_@

And it fact its worse than when we beat Man U earlier...

Come on, ref makes mistakes...if you guys were in Ngog's boots, I bet 90% of you will fall/dive for goodness's sake.

Stop trolling our thread cause it'll just show that Manure fans are immature fans who curse other's team when yours are in a bad shape as well.
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i've been a silent kop all this time, but this incident makes me confuse.. why on earth manyoo keep flaming us for?

it's birmingham vs Liverpool for god sake!

please channel ur anger on ur loss to proper thread..
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now we have another diver in the house biggrin.gif
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i'm so frustrated to miss the game, i'm more frustrated to see the final score.. and it became worst after watching N'goal flying act. I never saw anyone dives that high before... 10 marks!!
this is not 1pt earned but it's 2pts dropped... plus we may loose yossy and Riera for hamstring injury..

off topic...
seems like 'The Draw King' has returned to reclaim his throne.. is this a sign that we're gonna play UEFA cup in two successive seasons???

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 10 2009, 03:45 PM)
i'm so frustrated to miss the game, i'm more frustrated to see the final score.. and it became worst after watching N'goal flying act. I never saw anyone dives that high before... 10 marks!!
this is not 1pt earned but it's 2pts dropped... plus we may loose  yossy and Riera for hamstring injury..

off topic...
seems like 'The Draw King' has returned to reclaim his throne.. is this a sign that we're gonna play UEFA cup in two successive seasons???
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If we win the UEFA cup in two successive seasons, i dont mind at all. icon_rolleyes.gif
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visionary1993, if liverpool meet inter in ucl. Which team do you want to win? Yes, you support both but i want an answer. "Liverpool" or "Inter Milan". easy tongue.gif

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Its a draw, and those trolls make a fuss.

We win, they fuss.

We draw, they fuss.

We lose, they fuss even more.

Funny glory hunters. Funny, funny bunch.
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Nov 10 2009, 04:03 PM)
Its a draw, and those trolls make a fuss.

We win, they fuss.

We draw, they fuss.

We lose, they fuss even more.

Funny glory hunters. Funny, funny bunch.
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We are too important to them.You just have to admit our importance in their life.

We are so important to the extent that they sacrificed their sleep just to hope that they can watch us lose, watch us draw.

I can understand rivals fans watching our games during weekend but to wake up 4am on working days to watch Liverpool playing when they are supporting manu, that's just too awesome.

And til now, I haven't see any Arsenal and Chelsea fans doing just yet but there are a bunch of manu fans doing it.Damn.We are so important. VVIP tongue.gif

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QUOTE(franklampard8 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:54 PM)
visionary1993, if liverpool meet inter in ucl. Which team do you want to win? Yes, you support both but i want an answer. "Liverpool" or "Inter Milan". easy tongue.gif
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Brother, don't pressure him lah...

Its nice for him to support 2 clubs in 2 different leagues, so he'll still enjoy football when the 2 clubs meet what.

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That should be a plus, not a minus.

Besides, people can have soft spots. Not everyone are hardened like those fools in Manchester United's glory hunters bunch.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 10 2009, 03:49 PM)
If we win the UEFA cup in two successive seasons, i dont mind at all.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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the way we're going, we may not even qualify for UEFA cup next season tongue.gif
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QUOTE(franklampard8 @ Nov 10 2009, 03:54 PM)
visionary1993, if liverpool meet inter in ucl. Which team do you want to win? Yes, you support both but i want an answer. "Liverpool" or "Inter Milan". easy tongue.gif
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"If"?
They both met already.
It was a great feeling getting to watch both of your favourite clubs go head to head. And the support goes to both teams win or lose. And best team on the day will win which Liverpool did.
So to answer your question, the best team on that day will get my vote to win. blush.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 10 2009, 04:34 PM)
the way we're going, we may not even qualify for UEFA cup next season tongue.gif
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Yeah, but with the never say die attitude i learnt from past seasons, i will not be so pessimistic just yet. sweat.gif

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so now with benny and riera out again, and with aurelio not fully recovered yet...looks like babel will be getting more starts...ie. the worst is yet to come tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 10 2009, 04:45 PM)
so now with benny and riera out again, and with aurelio not fully recovered yet...looks like babel will be getting more starts...ie. the worst is yet to come tongue.gif
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El Zhar is back for light training. My bet is El Zhar will start on right and Kuyt on the left. I wont be surprised at all if El Zhar starts ahead of babel tongue.gif
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looking at the jerome goal, i believe it was 75% of luck. take nothing away from his strike, it was amazing as it dipped just at the right time BUT with skrtel on the ball approaching the midfield, its reina's natural play to go off his line (as we are having possesion in a rather safe position)..u could see him running backwards to his goal when jerome got the ball n he took his chances with a half volley, come on ! the positioning sense of our defenders were off. masch was behind jerome instead of infront ! n jerome uses his body well, agger just back away instead of closing him down.. he was all alone up front (as bir on the back foot), none of his teammates running in support..so we should have closed down n got possesion back ! its just frustrating. very.
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El Zhar is back for light training. My bet is El Zhar will start on right and Kuyt on the left. I wont be surprised at all if El Zhar starts ahead of babel tongue.gif
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highly unlikely el zhar will start.
this season he hasnt even gotten a start yet, plus hes still needed for the reserves team.
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well, it's a bit disheartening to watch the team playing a lot better than the opposition but ended up having to chase the game, and 'just' managed to draw level with a blatant dive.

no point beating around the bush, the penalty was a poorly awarded one, and ngog, despite that brilliant run into the box, chose to fall without contact and i can understand why carsley got into arguments with the ref for that.

we had dozens of chances to win the match outright but like always it's always us who switched off instead of building into the one goal lead. the first goal was poorly conceded from a freekick where birmingham players won two successive headers in the penalty box. second was a bad punt from skrtel which caught the entire team out of position, giving jerome the chance to shoot from distance (and that was a nicely taken goal too).

there has been massive improvements in terms of performance on the pitch for lucas, although his composure in front of goal is still a suspect. ngog has been lively, and like lucas lacked composure. he can't afford to waste chances after chances when being fed through.

both riera and benayoun were having a good game until they went off injured, and i can really feel for riera having only returned from injury. everyone can see from his gesture the frustration and self-loathing for getting himself out for a while again.

johnson was terrific down the right, and dribbled past a couple of defenders not once but several times in the game. insua is still very much inexperienced, and it shows in the game.

agger could do little in both goals conceded, i thought he had a good game. reina was rarely troubled and beaten by the two real chances birmingham has had.

personally, i thought skrtel and masch are having the worst form of their career to date. both were making endless stray passes in their own half and looked so shaky when defending. masch was venturing high up the field without knowing what to do with the ball, while skrtel was wasting too many long punts towards nobody in the opposition half.

good to see gerrard back without looking like he's carrying niggling injuries, while aquilani and babel could do little when given the runout.

it's one point earn for the optimists, and two points lost for the pessimists. either way, we're digging a deeper hole for ourselves if we still can't climb out from this mess.
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I don't know if anyone notice about this but it's the same old question I had been asking for long.

Is Gerrard the guy for captaincy?

Again, when everyone trying to pick on N'Gog and when there was argument, he was nowhere to be seen.It takes Lucas to help his teammate out.

Where is Gerrard again?Reminds me of the sent off of Mascherano on Old Trafford.Alonso dragged Masch away with Gerrard MIA over the course.Is he really the right guy for captaincy? Given the situation N'Gog in and if Carra is on field, he would have help out N'Gog and do something what a captain should be doing.

Again, is Gerrard the right man?
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mostly captaincy was based on seniority, capability in term of commanding and ability to change the situation once needed.. which i believe gerrard is the best candidates so far..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:30 PM)
I don't know if anyone notice about this but it's the same old question I had been asking for long.

Is Gerrard the guy for captaincy?

Again, when everyone trying to pick on N'Gog and when there was argument, he was nowhere to be seen.It takes Lucas to help his teammate out.

Where is Gerrard again?Reminds me of the sent off of Mascherano on Old Trafford.Alonso dragged Masch away with Gerrard MIA over the course.Is he really the right guy for captaincy? Given the situation N'Gog in and if Carra is on field, he would have help out N'Gog and do something what a captain should be doing.

Again, is Gerrard the right man?
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Captaincy is about driving the team forward.

His gesture in May 2005 says it all.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:30 PM)
I don't know if anyone notice about this but it's the same old question I had been asking for long.

Is Gerrard the guy for captaincy?

Again, when everyone trying to pick on N'Gog and when there was argument, he was nowhere to be seen.It takes Lucas to help his teammate out.

Where is Gerrard again?Reminds me of the sent off of Mascherano on Old Trafford.Alonso dragged Masch away with Gerrard MIA over the course.Is he really the right guy for captaincy? Given the situation N'Gog in and if Carra is on field, he would have help out N'Gog and do something what a captain should be doing.

Again, is Gerrard the right man?
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Well if he's not, who else? Carra has he's ups and downs. You dont expect Reina to run the whole field again just to protest. The next candidate is if you want someone to "help out" the situation, its Mascherano. Others are inexperienced at the club.
Ah yes, Kuyt?

So of course Gerrard is the right man. He's just a little tired last night. unsure.gif

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Captaincy is about driving the team forward.

His gesture in May 2005 says it all.
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Exactly, the play & dependability on a captain when all go wrong is what matters, not stand up like a thugs. So yes he inspire the team with his play & dependability, so he's a worthy captain.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 10 2009, 05:48 PM)
Exactly, the play & dependability on a captain when all go wrong is what matters, not stand up like a thugs. So yes he inspire the team with his play & dependability, so he's a worthy captain.
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That was only one prime example.

Not forgetting Olympiakos, West Ham 2006 and many more.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:48 PM)
Well if he's not, who else? Carra has he's ups and downs. You dont expect Reina to run the whole field again just to protest. The next candidate is if you want someone to "help out" the situation, its Mascherano. Others are inexperienced at the club.
Ah yes, Kuyt?
I don't feel the captain is needed that much during those situation. So yeah Gerrard's the best man to be the captain atm.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 10 2009, 02:21 PM)
Another disappointing result. Could have posted here during the match but for some reasons my streamyx fail-ed on me.
A little inexperience from Ngog. He could have won it for us. He should have dragged his leg towards Carsley's legs atleast he could have caught him a little.
Referee did the right thing at that time since his view is the same as what we're watching at the time and i would have thought it was a penalty too.
Aquilani didnt do much except for 1 or 2 long passes and some burst 1-2 passes that didnt materialise well. But it was above decent for 10 minutes.  nod.gif
I take nothing our of the 2nd goal from Birmingham. Reina needs to grow a few inches taller to save the shot. One of his weakness like we saw in the Lyon game.
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if i'm not mistaken, almost all Spain goalkeepers are short. just look at iker Casillas, Victor Valdes and Canizares. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(w3er @ Nov 10 2009, 02:23 PM)
we are not scared of ur existence, LOLLL
in fact it was the other way around

it was u guys who is always ranting about the FAs, the ref, god, the timekeeper, the weather, milkmen, reporter etc that is always on our side.

Today, it proved that liverpool player is blatant cheater and that's the fact!!
it shows us clearly that liverpool are as filthy and dirty as other EPL team

so next time when MU win a match, u guys stop b1tching about us and we will stop complaining about yours
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i have to disagree with u on this bro. it is very subjective. Drogba used to dive a lot too during his early chelsea days. same goes as Ronaldo. every player in EPL capable of doing so. Some players didn't even thinking of diving but jump and land on their frontside in order to avoid injury of being tackle or mislanding which can hurt their legs.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 04:16 PM)
We are too important to them.You just have to admit our importance in their life.

We are so important to the extent that they sacrificed their sleep just to hope that they can watch us lose, watch us draw.

I can understand rivals fans watching our games during weekend but to wake up 4am on working days to watch Liverpool playing when they are supporting manu, that's just too awesome.

And til now, I haven't see any Arsenal and Chelsea fans doing just yet but there are a bunch of manu fans doing it.Damn.We are so important. VVIP  tongue.gif
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depends bro. some people love football but they didn't support any team. they just love play football and watching football. but to those who watch other team play just to taunt their fans is somewhat sick.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 05:30 PM)
I don't know if anyone notice about this but it's the same old question I had been asking for long.

Is Gerrard the guy for captaincy?

Again, when everyone trying to pick on N'Gog and when there was argument, he was nowhere to be seen.It takes Lucas to help his teammate out.

Where is Gerrard again?Reminds me of the sent off of Mascherano on Old Trafford.Alonso dragged Masch away with Gerrard MIA over the course.Is he really the right guy for captaincy? Given the situation N'Gog in and if Carra is on field, he would have help out N'Gog and do something what a captain should be doing.

Again, is Gerrard the right man?
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Gerrard was hailed as captain due to his sheer determination, commanding presence and influence. his effortless style of play give morale boost to teammate. but lately he has been behind the curtain probably due to injury or personal problem. Carra is the best replacement so far after Gerrard.
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QUOTE(blinky @ Nov 10 2009, 05:45 PM)
Captaincy is about driving the team forward.

His gesture in May 2005 says it all.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 10 2009, 05:48 PM)
Exactly, the play & dependability on a captain when all go wrong is what matters, not stand up like a thugs. So yes he inspire the team with his play & dependability, so he's a worthy captain.
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QUOTE(blinky @ Nov 10 2009, 05:50 PM)
That was only one prime example.

Not forgetting Olympiakos, West Ham 2006 and many more.
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I have no question about him inspiring the team to play, to win matches but that's The very same reason why we failed to perform when he is not around.We depend on him way too much.

And as a captain, he should know where he should stand. The incident where he talked about Keane leaving in January back in last year November(or was it december?) was something inappropriate.

I'm not asking for him to be stripped off captaincy but I think he should do better because he is capable of.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:10 PM)
I have no question  about him inspiring the team to play, to win matches but that's The very same reason why we failed to perform when he is not around.We depend on him way too much.

And as a captain, he should know where he should stand. The incident where he talked about Keane leaving in January back in last year November(or was it december?) was something inappropriate.

I'm not asking for him to be stripped off captaincy but I think he should do better because he is capable of.
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That is rather the problem of the team or the gaffer.

Though the Keane incident is really unbecoming of him shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:10 PM)
I have no question  about him inspiring the team to play, to win matches but that's The very same reason why we failed to perform when he is not around.We depend on him way too much.

And as a captain, he should know where he should stand. The incident where he talked about Keane leaving in January back in last year November(or was it december?) was something inappropriate.

I'm not asking for him to be stripped off captaincy but I think he should do better because he is capable of.
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You can't blame Gerrard for the team underperforming when he's not around, can you?
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:10 PM)
I have no question  about him inspiring the team to play, to win matches but that's The very same reason why we failed to perform when he is not around.We depend on him way too much.

And as a captain, he should know where he should stand. The incident where he talked about Keane leaving in January back in last year November(or was it december?) was something inappropriate.

I'm not asking for him to be stripped off captaincy but I think he should do better because he is capable of.
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who else do you think can take the arm band?

carra - he obviously the clear choice. but now is not the time where the backline is in shambles. unneeded burden.. he need to focus on commanding the backline atm.

kuyt - good guy.. but doesn't strike me as a top leader on the pitch.. vice captain is more likely

masch - too short tempered. probably will cost the team if red carded.

pepe - more suitable for the captaincy than carra. though imho, goalie not very suitable as captain.
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Ngog impress me. not the dived but, about his play today. so i guess voronin will stay at the bench just like dossena.
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I thnk rafa comments needs to be AW (arsenal); "I didnt see if the incident" or fergie's "It a blardy F^%*%king penalty"
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^ hmm... so someone agrees with me that his lack of man management skills is glaringly obvious!!!
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^ hmm... so someone agrees with me that his lack of man management skills is glaringly obvious!!!
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thats cos hes not managing men but a group of boys - insua, lucas, ngog biggrin.gif
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I thnk rafa comments needs to be AW (arsenal); "I didnt see if the incident" or fergie's "It a blardy F^%*%king penalty"
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^ hmm... so someone agrees with me that his lack of man management skills is glaringly obvious!!!
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He did defend Ngog in some way.

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'I can't say it was a dive, because I haven't seen it properly, but it does seem it shouldn't have been given,' he said.

'I have spoken to David about it and he felt the same way.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0WSKRItJu
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To be honest, ngog had to take a leap there. Carsley's left leg was going to hit his trailing foot. But yea, the fall was alittle exagerrated. As a Liverpool fan, i concede that it wasn't a fair penalty. Nevertheless, it was a game we were supposed to win. We did everything BUT score.
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I thnk rafa comments needs to be AW (arsenal); "I didnt see if the incident" or fergie's "It a blardy F^%*%king penalty"
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Let the boss be, he's got his style.

Later people sue us for "copying", ROFLMAO (like how some fans from a rival club go berzerk thinking we stole their anthem for "Fernando Torres Liverpool's Number 9" song.

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ISTANBUL HERO SMICER HANGS UP HIS BOOTS

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N...091110-1150.htm
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About Gerrard, yes, I have to agree with Sols. How often do we see Gerrard arguing with the referee to get his teammates out of trouble? Look at Giggs, and Terry for instance. Great captains, and they try their best to help their mates to wriggle out of any potential trouble. No need to talk about Ferdinand.. he's a different case altogether. He rapes the referee's mind, and forces decisions.

But in a way, Gerrard's acts are good. He doesn't pile pressure on the referee, doesn't do shit on the field or yell lots of foul language to the officials like "some" captains do on a regular basis. I think this is a mark of a great captain. That's why he has the respect from nearly every club fan, and "some" captains don't.

Yes, I agree with Sols, he shouldd stick up for his mates more, but even if he doesn't, I still feel Gerrard is the best man for the team. Even the players feel so as well as far as I'm concerned. For instance, Kuyt was the captain till Gerrard came on, and Kuyt rushed to Gerrard and handed him the band the right BEFORE he stepped into the pitch. That shows how much respect they have for him. Overall, I'd like a captain who is silent, does his job well, and gets respect.

I am saying so because I am the captain of my district football team biggrin.gif tongue.gif


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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Nov 10 2009, 07:55 PM)
Let the boss be, he's got his style.

Later people sue us for "copying", ROFLMAO (like how some fans from a rival club go berzerk thinking we stole their anthem for "Fernando Torres Liverpool's Number 9" song.

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Rafa's super cool. He sets his own style, and doesn't follow asses like Fergie. He should f***ing be banned from watching any BPL matches, even on TV/computer for a year or so. f***ing thing moans about everything, but if they win, he'd praise the referee even if the referee made millions of errors.

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^ hmm... so someone agrees with me that his lack of man management skills is glaringly obvious!!!
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Man management skill? I don't get you. Can you elaborate more?
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Gerrard is regarded as one of the best in the world. and no doubt that he's the best in the team. At least that's what his team-mates believe, which is the most important thing to be a leader.
In my opinion (which is based on observation rather than facts or stats), we're not a team that depending on Gerrard, but the gap between him(n Torres) and the rest of the team is massive. He can do thing that others can't. Even so, over the years, his work ethic is superb.. even better than Kuyt.
Some might disagree, but for me I prefer the best player as the captain, someone who leads by example rather than someone who talk a lot.. questioning and complaining on every call, asking ref to sent off the opponents).

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QUOTE(Mysterious Dr X @ Nov 10 2009, 07:52 PM)
To be honest, ngog had to take a leap there. Carsley's left leg was going to hit his trailing foot. But yea, the fall was alittle exagerrated. As a Liverpool fan, i concede that it wasn't a fair penalty. Nevertheless, it was a game we were supposed to win. We did everything BUT score.
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yup. ngog tried to protect himself there i guess but u'll never know whether he really have the ntention of diving or not. lol. match against club like Birminghm are always tough as club like them like to defend in numbers. Even Arsene and Fergie complained about this in previous seasons.

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Let the boss be, he's got his style.

Later people sue us for "copying", ROFLMAO (like how some fans from a rival club go berzerk thinking we stole their anthem for "Fernando Torres Liverpool's Number 9" song.

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if Rafa said, "yes, Ngog dived there. he should be banned from the game", sure he will be kicked out as Liverpool boss for not protecting his players.
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Surprising but good for him.
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i'm so frustrated to miss the game, i'm more frustrated to see the final score.. and it became worst after watching N'goal flying act. I never saw anyone dives that high before... 10 marks!!
this is not 1pt earned but it's 2pts dropped... plus we may loose  yossy and Riera for hamstring injury..

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seems like 'The Draw King' has returned to reclaim his throne.. is this a sign that we're gonna play UEFA cup in two successive seasons???
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RB must be the most relieved manager to see the players heading to international matches and a break from competitive games in the league.

2 weeks may not be enough but it's adequate for him to see some players nursing their injuries and hopefully we'll have one or two more available for the man city match.

time for RB to do some serious thinking in getting our season back on track.
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not the best way to protect your players is it?
n'gog looks a pretty decent bet for the future but having his manager doubt/question him in public will surely do wonders for his confidence?

i've noticed that Rafa only works well with players with a certain kind of mentality, which isn't what a manager should be doing? Especially when our coffers aren't loaded and the kind of players with the self motivation, confidence and drive that Rafa demands usually aren't cheap.

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not the best way to protect your players is it?
n'gog looks a pretty decent bet for the future but having his manager doubt/question him in public will surely do wonders for his confidence?

i've noticed that Rafa only works well with players with a certain kind of mentality, which isn't what a manager should be doing? Especially when our coffers aren't loaded and the kind of players with the self motivation, confidence and drive that Rafa demands usually aren't cheap.
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Sometimes I'm utterly despair of my fellow Lowyites.
Ngog is going to be a great player. How he is being groomed by Rafa will affect his future. He would have being hailed as MoTM but then the jingoistic ethnocentric media preferred to pan and scapegoat him for Liverpool's performance.
Why can't we understand s'times a superior team cannot win against team like Birmingham. Teams that are moulded by the likes of Scottish managers (ala Celtic/Rangers)- not necessarily talented but full of grit and gunghos.
So are we surprised that Lee Carsley (remember Martin Taylor) is a reflection of Birmingham's team.

Carsley has a bad reputation and had priors with reckless challenges and being red-carded numerous times (at international level too). To cite Drogba, Iwelumo

Lee Carsley's Carnage

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Wolves' Chris Iwelumo lies injured after a tackle by Birmingham City's Lee Carsley which resulted in a red card.

How many of you guys recall last year Derby where Carsley should have got a red card for a terrible challenge which would have potentially ended Torres' season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...rem/7309368.stm

To me he is a gun for hire. Ask yourself who knows the carded players better. A good referee is also there to protect players irrespective of colour or origin. Thats what a good referee and a good manager (ask CR7 who is his daddy) should .

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Ooh some real tough fixtures await Liverpool as soon as the Interlull ends. With Rafa having no choice but to take all the risks with your non-fit players, it's going to be a long hard battle for you guys. Nobody shall be more grateful for the interlull other than Liverpool I think. Your injured ones should pray for some express recovery during this period.
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hmm, what turmoil is striking the Lads now? wonder why we are in such a bad form? RAfa alrady throwing in the towel? I am still puzzled by Rafa's comment on saying the players are "mad" at the current Liverpool FC slumps and bad result but who is causing this bad result and why aren't things rectified?
Rafa to be blamed or the players?

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About Gerrard, yes, I have to agree with Sols. How often do we see Gerrard arguing with the referee to get his teammates out of trouble? Look at Giggs, and Terry for instance. Great captains, and they try their best to help their mates to wriggle out of any potential trouble. No need to talk about Ferdinand.. he's a different case altogether. He rapes the referee's mind, and forces decisions.

But in a way, Gerrard's acts are good. He doesn't pile pressure on the referee, doesn't do shit on the field or yell lots of foul language to the officials like "some" captains do on a regular basis. I think this is a mark of a great captain. That's why he has the respect from nearly every club fan, and "some" captains don't.

Yes, I agree with Sols, he shouldd stick up for his mates more, but even if he doesn't, I still feel Gerrard is the best man for the team. Even the players feel so as well as far as I'm concerned. For instance, Kuyt was the captain till Gerrard came on, and Kuyt rushed to Gerrard and handed him the band the right BEFORE he stepped into the pitch. That shows how much respect they have for him. Overall, I'd like a captain who is silent, does his job well, and gets respect.

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Rafa's super cool. He sets his own style, and doesn't follow asses like Fergie. He should f***ing be banned from watching any BPL matches, even on TV/computer for a year or so. f***ing thing moans about everything, but if they win, he'd praise the referee even if the referee made millions of errors.
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Doesn't even know what to type anymore. Can't even beat a Birmingham side that struggles on the road.

A little insight from Tony Barrett.

How Rafael Benitez can rescue Liverpool's season
Five ways for Rafael Benítez to put things at Liverpool right

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 11 2009, 12:03 AM)
not the best way to protect your players is it?
n'gog looks a pretty decent bet for the future but having his manager doubt/question him in public will surely do wonders for his confidence?

i've noticed that Rafa only works well with players with a certain kind of mentality, which isn't what a manager should be doing? Especially when our coffers aren't loaded and the kind of players with the self motivation, confidence and drive that Rafa demands usually aren't cheap.
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But he didn't exactly slated Ngog, did he? I'm sure the reason he doesn't go all out to protect Ngog is that he's sending the message "You've saved the match, but in the future there is no need to dive," Then again, it still remains to be seen if his game would be affected. Rafa has been building up his confidence by selecting him ahead of Babel, Voronin and Kuyt (As the striker role), and you could see that Ngog's taking his chances (Take note Babel!).

On your second point, you're right to a certain extent and with the current financial state of the club, Rafa may not be the manager we need. The same could be said of Pep Guardiola, throw him the Tottenham or Villa team, could you imagine him leading them to Europe success?

My take on Rafa atm, that first Birmingham goal, how many times do we need to concede such goals ffs?! Free kick taken to near post, then let the ball bounce around in the penalty box before them getting a clear chance. It has been a problem since the start of the season (Regardless of who plays in defense), why hasn't he sort this out? We are not going to win games if we concede silly goals such as this. It doesn't matter if it's injury problems or what-not, even if we had a fully-fit squad, I still cringe whenever we defend against set piece.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 11 2009, 09:26 AM)
But he didn't exactly slated Ngog, did he? I'm sure the reason he doesn't go all out to protect Ngog is that he's sending the message "You've saved the match, but in the future there is no need to dive," Then again, it still remains to be seen if his game would be affected. Rafa has been building up his confidence by selecting him ahead of Babel, Voronin and Kuyt (As the striker role), and you could see that Ngog's taking his chances (Take note Babel!).

On your second point, you're right to a certain extent and with the current financial state of the club, Rafa may not be the manager we need. The same could be said of Pep Guardiola, throw him the Tottenham or Villa team, could you imagine him leading them to Europe success?

My take on Rafa atm, that first Birmingham goal, how many times do we need to concede such goals ffs?! Free kick taken to near post, then let the ball bounce around in the penalty box before them getting a clear chance. It has been a problem since the start of the season (Regardless of who plays in defense), why hasn't he sort this out? We are not going to win games if we concede silly goals such as this. It doesn't matter if it's injury problems or what-not, even if we had a fully-fit squad, I still cringe whenever we defend against set piece.
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I also noticed tat most of our opponents goals were scored thr corner kicks too.
Other teams can station two extra players side by side wif the keeper (like having 3 keepers during the box set pieces, why cant we???
our DEFENCE is a total shit, let it CB,RB or LB. they are not covering for each other and they tends to played upfield too often whereas the midfielders dun hav creativity too doh.gif
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QUOTE(skulless @ Nov 11 2009, 09:20 AM)
Doesn't even know what to type anymore. Can't even beat a Birmingham side that struggles on the road.

A little insight from Tony Barrett.

How Rafael Benitez can rescue Liverpool's season
Five ways for Rafael Benítez to put things at Liverpool right
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Spot on articles. I haven't seen both Lyon and Birmingham matches but Kuyt deserves a rest now and then. He has been played in virtually every match this season (Even after a trip to down under.) and that may contribute to his poor form. I wouldn't mind Babel having a go on the right, who knows, he might excel in his natural position. Rafa, if you're hearing!
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Liverpool are among the clubs planning a raid on West Ham to sign Carlton Cole in January.

With Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard struggling through injuries, manager Rafa Benitez has been forced to rely on back-up strikers David Ngog and Andriy Voronin.

Barcelona’s interest in Javier Mascherano could finance a move because Liverpool want £32 million. That fee would also fund a replacement for the Argentina midfielder.

Cole’s outstanding form has generated interest from home and abroad, particularly in view of the financial problems at Upton Park.

West Ham fought off bids for their top players in the summer but are braced for more pressure when the transfer window re-opens.

Cole, who is 26 tomorrow, has scored six in 11 Premier League games this season, including one against Liverpool in September.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0WWAHc0JX
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West ham's cole? but i really want to see torres and david villa together. sad.gif

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Anyway, for the money valencia wants for villa (say, 30-40m), I would say that's money we don't have and money not worth spending. He's 28, turning 29. Gerrard, Kuyt, Benny, Aurelio, even Carra are all reaching the prime of their age (While Kuyt might have even passed that). In 4-5 years you can expect an exodus of greats. I'd rather invest in younger players. Like Aguero, Silva or even Cole. Though, Hines has been impressing me the most in West Ham other than diamenti.
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cole is a good backup for torres but being english it gonna cost more than it should.

villa? that will never happen unless he himself saying he dont want to play anywhere else beside liverpool (like torres did)

masch leaving.. cant do anything if he wanted to leave. good riddance
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with 6 + 5 soon to be implemented, getting an english striker wasnt that bad. i would prefer babel or ngog given more 1st team chances. forget bout voronin, he's not gonna make it here
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I would prefer Silva over Villa at the moment. Silva could fit in the left wing or be a supporting striker. And he's a little cheaper then Villa amiright?
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How about Heskey...far more cheaper...
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How about Heskey...far more cheaper...
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heskey, crouch, silva, villa...bah.
what we need is a good central defender.
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LOL guys , i read the star newspaper today , and for everything in the soccer net . Why's the press so against us?

Ngog dived yes, and they posted everywhere , branding us a cheater. Why is there no such report for the current Fifa player (diver ) of the year whenever he dived? HMMMM
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David Villa? I thought i've read rumours linking him with MU few days b4.

"Chelsea will make a £33m bid for Valencia striker David Villa - but the Spain international would prefer a move to Manchester United"
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for the 6+5, let's bring the english talent to Anfield now...

Carlton Cole (west ham) - equally talented to Heskey, he's maturing under Zola...

Jermaine Jenas (spurs) - why don't we use him instead of Lucas?

James Milner OR Ashley Young (aston villa) - i think both is a good prospect for english football. and why not?

Anton Ferdinand (sunderland) - a shadow for his brother. will be a good successor for Carra.
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QUOTE(account_manager @ Nov 11 2009, 03:58 PM)
for the 6+5, let's bring the english talent to Anfield now...

Carlton Cole (west ham) - equally talented to Heskey, he's maturing under Zola...

Jermaine Jenas (spurs) - why don't we use him instead of Lucas?

James Milner OR Ashley Young (aston villa) - i think both is a good prospect for english football. and why not?

Anton Ferdinand (sunderland) - a shadow for his brother. will be a good successor for Carra.
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Carlton - realistic target
Jenas - possible but don't think he'll come
Milner/Young - Out of our league since both will cost 20mil above
Anton - better promote our youngster.
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QUOTE(account_manager @ Nov 11 2009, 03:58 PM)
for the 6+5, let's bring the english talent to Anfield now...

Carlton Cole (west ham) - equally talented to Heskey, he's maturing under Zola...

Jermaine Jenas (spurs) - why don't we use him instead of Lucas?

James Milner OR Ashley Young (aston villa) - i think both is a good prospect for english football. and why not?

Anton Ferdinand (sunderland) - a shadow for his brother. will be a good successor for Carra.
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with what money?
all of them with the exception of ferdinand will probably cost close to 20m each.
ferdinand has also been dropped by steve bruce and looks likely to be off-loaded in the jan window for 8m.
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suggestion only lorr... if i have the cash, i'd bring Messi in already to Anfield. the Yanks no need to pay me back... ikhlas... wawawa...
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 11 2009, 03:46 PM)
David Villa? I thought i've read rumours linking him with MU few days b4.

"Chelsea will make a £33m bid for Valencia striker David Villa - but the Spain international would prefer a move to Manchester United"
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Believe me, he prefers a move here rather than there. With the spanish connection here, who wouldnt prefer here?
Its just that we have that "slight" problem of getting the finances to secure his move and Silva's.
Anyway, even if you bring messi, villa, any star player here, without team communication, we wont go anywhere.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 03:39 PM)
heskey, crouch, silva, villa...bah.
what we need is a good central defender.
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Ahh.. brings back the debate early last month. Pretty opinion-related if you ask me. I would prefer a striker.

And maybe just maybe Keane should have stayed longer than 6 months. Watching the season review again makes me wonder if we had gave him enough time to gel to our style of play.

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Ask Eduardo  if Ngog didn't jump high enough
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Sometimes I'm utterly despair of my fellow Lowyites.
Ngog is going to be a great player. How he is being groomed by Rafa will affect his future. He would have being hailed as MoTM but then the jingoistic ethnocentric media preferred to pan and scapegoat him for Liverpool's performance.
Why can't we understand s'times a superior team cannot win against team like Birmingham. Teams that are moulded by  the likes of Scottish managers (ala Celtic/Rangers)- not necessarily talented but full of grit and gunghos.
So are we surprised that Lee Carsley (remember Martin Taylor)  is a reflection of Birmingham's team.

Carsley  has a bad reputation and had priors with reckless challenges and being red-carded numerous times (at international level too). To cite Drogba, Iwelumo

Lee Carsley's Carnage

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Wolves' Chris Iwelumo lies injured after a tackle by Birmingham City's Lee Carsley which resulted in a red card.

How many of you guys recall last year Derby where Carsley should have got a red card for a terrible challenge which would have potentially ended Torres' season.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/e...rem/7309368.stm

To me he is a gun for hire. Ask yourself who knows the carded players better. A good referee is also there to protect players irrespective of colour or origin. Thats what a good referee and a good manager (ask CR7 who is his daddy) should .
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LOL guys , i read the star newspaper today , and for everything in the soccer net . Why's the press so against us?

Ngog dived yes, and they posted everywhere , branding us a cheater. Why is there no such report for the current Fifa player (diver ) of the year whenever he dived? HMMMM
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Everyone seems to be channeling the focus on the dive.

Worries not.2 Interesting articles to share.Found these good read in Well Red LFC Blog.

BLOGGERS BLAST GRAHAM POLL AND MEDIA OVER NGOG TREATMENT.


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"King Con" screamed one tabloid, "Cheat" boomed another.

You'd think no-one has ever dived in a football match before.

Only they have, haven't they? There's Didier Drogba for starters, a man mountain who has made tumbling over at the slightest touch an art form. Then there's Wayne Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Eduardo, and, dare I say it, Steven Gerrard.

Ngog though, has dived once. Once.

So to be tearing into the 20-year-old like he'd used the steps of Soho Square as a toilet is a tad extreme.


Full article:

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Not only Mr Poll but journalists around the world want to gun down N'Gog with their pens.The media bias-ness is as disgraceful as the dive N'Gog made.


Full article:
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how about Miloš Krasić of CSKA Moscow?? drool.gif

work ethic, technique, dribbling and finishing... thumbup.gif

or maybe.. Alex Teixeira (Vasco da Gama, Brazil)
young, quick, technique, dribbling... rclxms.gif

haha.. suggestion only rite?


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"CHEATER!"

that was the sports headline on The Star today...

if CR7 dived, the press will be quiet about it.
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QUOTE(aiyish @ Nov 11 2009, 04:57 PM)
"CHEATER!"

that was the sports headline on The Star today...

if CR7 dived, the press will be quiet about it.
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Well thats because CR9 dived on every fortnight. Ngog, however, just discovered the ability "diving". Not to worry, the more he dives, the more the press will get tired of it like cr9.


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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 04:30 PM)
Believe me, he prefers a move here rather than there. With the spanish connection here, who wouldnt prefer here?
Its just that we have that "slight" problem of getting the finances to secure his move and Silva's.
Anyway, even if you bring messi, villa, any star player here, without team communication, we wont go anywhere.
Ahh.. brings back the debate early last month. Pretty opinion-related if you ask me. I would prefer a striker.

And maybe just maybe Keane should have stayed longer than 6 months. Watching the season review again makes me wonder if we had gave him enough time to gel to our style of play.
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theres a difference between opinion and facts...so basically doesnt detract from the fact that our defense is pathetic right now.
so buying more strikers will obviously not solve our defensive woes.


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theres a difference between opinion and facts...so basically doesnt detract from the fact that our defense is pathetic right now.
so buying more strikers will obviously not solve our defensive woes.
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Well, the fact of the matter is, (no offense) but our whole team is pathetic right now. So we shouldnt blame the defense solely for opening gaps in between spaces. So its more of a opinion that you blame our defence for errors.
I dont think we should buy more strikers, we should just buy 1 good one.
This too will only happen if Mascherano leaves in January and the yanks let Rafa spend the money.

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i think maybe because Liverpool has been a hot topic this season, thats why the dive is been highly highlighted
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Nov 11 2009, 01:14 PM)
with 6 + 5 soon to be implemented, getting an english striker wasnt that bad. i would prefer babel or ngog given more 1st team chances. forget bout voronin, he's not gonna make it here
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6+5 wont be implemented for at least 2 more yrs.
next yr will be 4+7, then 5+6, and then only 6+5 in the 2012-13 season.

its not yet a priority to buy english, and will of cos only affect the ones going to europe.


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"I would say that Barcelona do not have the sort of funds to buy either Robinho or Mascherano."


so yea, again...what money?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 03:39 PM)
heskey, crouch, silva, villa...bah.
what we need is a good central defender.
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We already got 4 CB. get another 1?

Rafa definitely wont sell Carra.

Left out with Agger, Skrtel and Krygiakos.

Will someone wanna buy Krygiakos?

Agger is injury prone, someone wanna buy him?

And Skrtel? Sell him? tongue.gif
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We already got 4 CB. get another 1?

Rafa definitely wont sell Carra.

Left out with Agger, Skrtel and Krygiakos.

Will someone wanna buy Krygiakos?

Agger is injury prone, someone wanna buy him?

And Skrtel? Sell him?  tongue.gif
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see the word 'good' in there?
i havent yet been impressed with kyrgiakos.

in that sense, we also got alot of strikers.
kuyt, babel, torres, voronin, ngog and i guess gerrard can be placed in that list too.

so why would we need another striker?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 06:29 PM)
see the word 'good' in there?
i havent yet been impressed with kyrgiakos.

in that sense, we also got alot of strikers.
kuyt, babel, torres, voronin, ngog and i guess gerrard can be placed in that list too.

so why would we need another striker?
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You know, after reading the strikers you mention, it just backs my claim that we really need a good striker with Torres.
Kuyt is sometimes ineffective and inconsistent in the support role. Torres now injured. And Gerrard cant link up with Torres without a good midfield, so he has to be in midfield to feed the ball. And dont get me started on the other 3. doh.gif

I dont see why Agger, Skrtel and Carra shouldn't be in the 'good' defenders list.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 06:29 PM)
see the word 'good' in there?
i havent yet been impressed with kyrgiakos.

in that sense, we also got alot of strikers.
kuyt, babel, torres, voronin, ngog and i guess gerrard can be placed in that list too.

so why would we need another striker?
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Krygiakos is at his 30 and it takes a longer time for someone as old as he is to adapt to english football.Plus, he is just a backup anyway.

And if you put in Babel, Kuyt and Gerrard, you are not solving the problem.You are just moving the problem from striker department to midfield department.In that sense, we have to buy someone to put them at midfield again.What's the difference then?


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Agger is good wat..

Carra still got a few more years in him.

I guess we're covered for a while.. at least till end of season.

Striker? Sell all beside Ngog.. buy one on december... pacheco and nemeth will be home soon.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 11 2009, 06:42 PM)
Krygiakos is at his 30 and it takes a longer time for someone as old as he is to adapt to english football.Plus, he is just a backup anyway.

And if you put in Babel, Kuyt and Gerrard, you are not solving the problem.You are just moving the problem from striker department to midfield department.In that sense, we have to buy someone to put them at midfield again.What's the difference then?
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the point is that we have enough backup in those areas with players able to cover diff positions but not enough money to buy good ones.
any dumbass would know we wont play with 6 strikers up front and no midfielders anyway.

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the point is that we have enough backup in those areas with players able to cover diff positions but not enough money to buy good ones.
any dumbass would know we wont play with 6 strikers up front and no midfielders anyway.
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the thing is, our back-up is not good enough to be back-ups or worse, even start the game. A great team like us should have Palu and Crouch-equivalent bench strikers.

I still believe though our 4 central defenders we have now is good enough to last a season unless we are cursed.


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Life w/o Gerrard and Torres not easy init, plus we haven't had a solid performance like wot we had last term out,

International break has been avoided by our lads and this is the time to put things up right..

Torres is out till Dec and Gerrard is back in action..could be a proving time for Ngog but the dive caused him a huge shame among the profs..
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 06:46 PM)
the point is that we have enough backup in those areas with players able to cover diff positions but not enough money to buy good ones.
any dumbass would know we wont play with 6 strikers up front and no midfielders anyway.
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The quality of backup is what matters now.

You dont need a QUALITY backup for CB because they dont change the game for you because you clearly dont send on a backup CB to change the game for you. What we need now is a match winner.

The likes of Babel, Voronin are not good enough to be the match winner we need.How often do you see them changing a game?

If we dont have the money to buy it, sell these 2 and give the likes of Pacheco, Amoo chance to prove themselves.

Maybe, they will have more impact than the likes of Babel and Voronin.

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 06:52 PM)
the thing is, our back-up is not good enough to be back-ups or worse, even start the game. A great team like us should have Palu and Crouch-equivalent bench strikers.

I still believe though our 4 central defenders we have now is good enough to last a season unless we are cursed.
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yea, but looking at the table we are still scoring goals - 3rd best attack in the league.
but defensively, from 2nd best last season we are now nowhere near that.


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 06:58 PM)
yea, but looking at the table we are still scoring goals - 3rd best attack in the league.
but defensively, from 2nd best last season we are now nowhere near that.
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The same group of players if you notice only with Kry replacing Hyypia. Krygiakos is a backup and he doesn't play much to get the blames for all the leaked goals.

Skrtel and Carra both have their own off-form period on field.The question is, do we have to resort to buying a new CB to solve the problem.

A new cb come in, still have to take time for getting the new cb partnership works. wink.gif
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yea, but looking at the table we are still scoring goals - 3rd best attack in the league.
but defensively, from 2nd best last season we are now nowhere near that.
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well safe to say half(or more) of the goals we conceded came from.... yes, set-pieces. Cant fully blame the central defenders for that. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:03 PM)
well safe to say half(or more) of the goals we conceded came from.... yes, set-pieces. Cant fully blame the central defenders for that. icon_rolleyes.gif
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actually u can.
central defenders usually are the tallest guys on the pitch.
and most of our set piece goals allowed in have been lost battles in the air.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 06:01 PM)
theres a difference between opinion and facts...so basically doesnt detract from the fact that our defense is pathetic right now.
so buying more strikers will obviously not solve our defensive woes.
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Germany FA used to have the idea of

We'll play to score.

If they score 1 we score 2.

If they score another one, we score 3.

If they make it 3, we'll make it 4.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:03 PM)
The same group of players if you notice only with Kry replacing Hyypia.  Krygiakos is a backup and he doesn't play much to get the blames for all the leaked goals.

Skrtel and Carra both have their own off-form period on field.The question is, do we have to resort to buying a new CB to solve the problem.

A new cb come in, still have to take time for getting the new cb partnership works. wink.gif
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so what makes u think we can solve our '3rd best in the league attack' by buying another striker?
is he going to be scoring hat-tricks in every game?
who in the team are able to read his runs and deliver the killer passes?

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:05 PM)
actually u can.
central defenders usually are the tallest guys on the pitch.
and most of our set piece goals allowed in have been lost battles in the air.
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but you cant expect only the central defenders to clear the ball from set-pieces. You cant expect them to be at the right place at the right time. Everyone needs to communicate and clear the ball.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:07 PM)
so what makes u think we can solve our '3rd best in the league attack' by buying another striker?
is he going to be scoring hat-tricks in every game?
who in the team are able to read his runs and deliver the killer passes?
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Thats why the suggestion of Gerrard and Aquilani in midfield. Theres no way you cant count on them to deliver that killer pass.

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Germany FA used to have the idea of

We'll play to score.

If they score 1 we score 2.

If they score another one, we score 3.

If they make it 3, we'll make it 4.
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that obviously didnt work in 2001 when england demolished germany 5-1 with all liverpool players scoring.
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IIRC, that was in 2002. or 2006. It was world cup when that mentality surfaced.
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IIRC, that was in 2002. or 2006. It was world cup when that mentality surfaced.
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it was 2001, wc qualifier.
such a famous match theres even a wiki entry for it tongue.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_1%E2%..._England_(2001)
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haha! I stand corrected!
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:07 PM)
so what makes u think we can solve our '3rd best in the league attack' by buying another striker?
is he going to be scoring hat-tricks in every game?
who in the team are able to read his runs and deliver the killer passes?
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Maybe they cant score hat tricks in every game but they will certainly add a new dimension to our way of playing.

Let's take an example.The Fulham players said, once Torres went off, they were no longer worried and went all the way for attacking to get the 3 points.This only indicate one thing, they are not scared of players like Lucas,Kuyt and others.

The fact that they think No one else in our team poses the threat to them, allow them to attack us without fear of conceding.

You can have the best centerbacks at the back but if your players failed to make the opponents worry about conceding, you are already losing the game before the game starts.

What we need now is a matchwinner who can make the opponents worry despite the absence of Gerrard and Torres. Benny is one of them but the fact that he played too much game in a row caused him to have a hamstring injury.We need another player who can pose a threat to the opponent because it helps in minimizing their time to attack, decreasing chances of conceding, increasing chances of winning the match simultaneously.

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Maybe they cant score hat tricks in every game but they will certainly add a new dimension to our way of playing.

Let's take an example.The Fulham players said, once Torres went off, they were no longer worried and went all the way for attacking to get the 3 points.This only indicate one thing, they are not scared of players like Lucas,Kuyt and others.

The fact that they think No one else in our team poses the threat to them, allow them to attack us without fear of conceding.

You can have the best centerbacks at the back but if your players failed to make the opponents worry about conceding, you are already losing the game before the game starts.

What we need now is a matchwinner who can make the opponents worry despite the absence of Gerrard and Torres. Benny is one of them but the fact that he played too much game in a row caused him to have a hamstring injury.We need another player who can pose a threat to the opponent because it helps in minimizing their time to attack, decreasing chances of conceding, increasing chances of winning the match simultaneously.
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so are u trying to say that LFC players all fear fulham?
a team full of internationals are afraid of fulham?
u will be a very bad sports psychologist / team motivator, thats for sure tongue.gif


QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 07:07 PM)
but you cant expect only the central defenders to clear the ball from set-pieces. You cant expect them to be at the right place at the right time. Everyone needs to communicate and clear the ball.
Thats why the suggestion of Gerrard and Aquilani in midfield. Theres no way you cant count on them to deliver that killer pass.
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btw, yea they cant, but they being the tallest players in a team full of midgets should at least take charge more.
even chelsea was having trouble with set-pieces, the last straw coming when they lost to villa 2-1.
and what does ancelotti do? he drops bosingwa for ivanovic and they havent conceded a single goal in the league since.
chelsea of cos have other players who are strong in the air, but its all about getting rid of the weakest link.
our team of cos, damn...almost everyone is 5'8...aurelio, benny, lucas, insua, and of cos masch at 5'7.
the only guys that are taller than 6'0 is agger.
and the other six footers being gerrard, torres, johnson...so there goes whatever air dominance we have.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 08:31 PM)
so are u trying to say that LFC players all fear fulham?
a team full of internationals are afraid of fulham?
u will be a very bad sports psychologist / team motivator, thats for sure tongue.gif
btw, yea they cant, but they being the tallest players in a team full of midgets should at least take charge more.
even chelsea was having trouble with set-pieces, the last straw coming when they lost to villa 2-1.
and what does ancelotti do? he drops bosingwa for ivanovic and they havent conceded a single goal in the league since.
chelsea of cos have other players who are strong in the air, but its all about getting rid of the weakest link.
our team of cos, damn...almost everyone is 5'8...aurelio, benny, lucas, insua, and of cos masch at 5'7.
the only guys that are taller than 6'0 is agger.
and the other six footers being gerrard, torres, johnson...so there goes whatever air dominance we have.
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Solstice meant that Fulham didn't feared anyone except Torres.

That was the case.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:31 PM)
so are u trying to say that LFC players all fear fulham?
a team full of internationals are afraid of fulham?
u will be a very bad sports psychologist / team motivator, thats for sure tongue.gif

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No.You get me wrong. What I'm trying to say is, They DO NOT FEAR us instead of WE FEAR THEM.It's 2 different matters.

Because they were no longer worry about our attacking options upfront, they were so free to roam around, creating more chances and thus more goals were scored.

IF we have someone who can change the game and Fulham wary of that particular player, they will have less time attacking and we wont concede goal easily.

Speaking of the fear factor, Riera did say that it has something to do with "mental" of the players. Perhaps, they did scare of Fulham players after a bad run of results.Not surprising if it really happens.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:31 PM)
so are u trying to say that LFC players all fear fulham?
a team full of internationals are afraid of fulham?
u will be a very bad sports psychologist / team motivator, thats for sure tongue.gif
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Let me just open the question to everyone not solely on sols.
Yes.
And thank <insert name here> for changing fulham's mentality. We didnt need the sports psychologist to change their mentality.

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 08:45 PM)
Let me just open the question to everyone not solely on sols.
Yes.
And thank <insert name here> for changing fulham's mentality. We didnt need the sports psychologist to change their mentality.
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Pardon me, but I am confused with what you're saying.
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Pardon me, but I am confused with what you're saying.
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Simply put, after taking Torres, you could see our players had trouble facing bombardment after bombardment from Fulham.
So in a way, we fear them not fearing us. icon_rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
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Purely change personnel also cannot change the game, if the manager plays the wrong system.

Typical example would be RM, got the world best player but lose to second tier team as well.

Playing 2 DM system at home facing lower league team is not a good strategy at all.

You need lot of movement off the ball, so that player create space for themselves to score goal, cannot always stay stagnant and waiting for the ball or when pass around time.

Set aside the dive issue, among the striker if excluded Torres, Ngog seems is the one more promising one, much better than Babel, Voronin at least until their performance recently.




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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Nov 11 2009, 09:15 PM)
Simply put, after taking Torres, you could see our players had trouble facing bombardment after bombardment from Fulham.
So in a way, we fear them not fearing us. icon_rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif
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I would agree to a certain extent.
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Maybe penalty kick should be demolish in football, so player can freely dive whenever they want.
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Referees are the men in charge, but those old and fat retiree men can easily be fooled.. and some of them with so many years of experiences, still don't know the rules of football. Yet, they demand 'RESPECT'.

It's time now to practice Video Replay...technology should be introduced to help officials, to minimized their mistake.
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I think we should just get rid of the goalkeepers...get rid of the penalty box too so no more penalties...
also get rid of rules that give u cards for diving...
get more men playing who dont cry to the ref when they get wrong fully tackled...
Oh wait...this game is called rugby tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 11 2009, 07:31 PM)
even chelsea was having trouble with set-pieces, the last straw coming when they lost to villa 2-1.
and what does ancelotti do? he drops bosingwa for ivanovic and they havent conceded a single goal in the league since.
chelsea of cos have other players who are strong in the air, but its all about getting rid of the weakest link.
our team of cos, damn...almost everyone is 5'8...aurelio, benny, lucas, insua, and of cos masch at 5'7.
the only guys that are taller than 6'0 is agger.
and the other six footers being gerrard, torres, johnson...so there goes whatever air dominance we have.
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Bosingwa wasn't dropped. He's currently injured with a knee injury. Height isn't everything,but yes it does matters..we could have get mertesacker(6 ft 6') if we wanted the tallest player on the pitch).

I don't need we need a new cb, Skrtel is just off-form and we have agger who is doing quite great at the moment. Kyr needs more time. The problem comes from the whole team, not from the defence only.

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the current Liverpool team is just toothless... better pray hard to even finish in 5th spot this season...
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I think we should just get rid of the goalkeepers...get rid of the penalty box too so no more penalties...
also get rid of rules that give u cards for diving...
get more men playing who dont cry to the ref when they get wrong fully tackled...
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Really hope we can get through this heavy hurricane.. 1 win in 9 games is totally crazy man.. We're riding our tough luck now sad.gif
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Andrea Dossena appears to be edging closer to a move to Napoli after his agent suggested that Liverpool should sell in January.

The Italy defender was close to a switch to Stadio San Paolo in the summer, but the deal broke down amidst suggestions that personal terms could not be agreed.

Dossena's representative, Federico Pastorello, claims wages were not the only stumbling block and that Liverpool did not want to take a substantial financial loss.

The Reds paid Udinese £7million for the left-back in July 2008 and are thought to be keen to regain as much of that fee as possible.

But, with former Treviso player Dossena failing to earn a place in Rafa Benitez's first team, Pastorello believes it is only fair to sell.

Pastorello told Radio Kiss Kiss: "The negotiations in August were real, but the problem was not only the salary.

"Liverpool, in fact, didn't give us the green light to deal with Napoli. The two clubs were not finally agreed.

"What about January? He has played less this year and it is clear that Liverpool have to move him. If Napoli want Dossena, they know how."

Napoli sports director Riccardo Bigon told Radio Marte on Tuesday: "I like Andrea Dossena since he played in Treviso."

He added: "It's early to say names and we do not yet have a problem on the left side thanks to (Jesus) Datolo and (Salvatore) Aronica."

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Don't know if Liverpool would consider Roman Pavlyuchenko. I have high regards on this guy and I definitely don't want to see him playing with villains again. Price tag = 13 - 15 million pounds. That will solve one of the offensive problems. Another one is defensive, don't know how to solve it tho. cool.gif

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/11/...vlyuchenko.html
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Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera ruled out for a month

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Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera ruled out for a month

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/no...string-injuries
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 12 2009, 08:20 AM)
Don't know if Liverpool would consider Roman Pavlyuchenko. I have high regards on this guy and I definitely don't want to see him playing with villains again. Price tag = 13 - 15 million pounds. That will solve one of the offensive problems. Another one is defensive, don't know how to solve it tho.  cool.gif

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/11/11/...vlyuchenko.html
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i've seen he played. a good striker. a pure finisher. but i don't know about his work rate ability. his style of play same as Morientes.
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I think Pav would be good as a backup for Torres. He's the ideal Target man type of player. At least he can be a really good potential match winner.
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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Nov 12 2009, 11:05 AM)
I think Pav would be good as a backup for Torres. He's the ideal Target man type of player. At least he can be a really good potential match winner.
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But he not content with the bench warming role.He want to play. We all know that if Torres is fit, there is no way he will be playing. Gerrard will be playing behind Torres. That's for sure.
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we got money to buy 'backup' for xxx or xxx meh?
i'd be happy if we don't lose anymore players in january
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we got money to buy 'backup' for xxx or xxx meh?
i'd be happy if we don't lose anymore players in january
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 12 2009, 11:25 AM)
we got money to buy 'backup' for xxx or xxx meh?
i'd be happy if we don't lose anymore players in january
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That's what I thought also sweat.gif
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They wrote there "loan"... money for loan should be available.Hicks did give hint that he will provide some funds in jan after sealing the sponsor deal we get back in July.

And we will be losing players for sure... Babel, Voro, Dossena all wanna leaveeeee tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
But he not content with the bench warming role.He want to play. We all know that if Torres is fit, there is no way he will be playing. Gerrard will be playing behind Torres. That's for sure.
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Torres is quite injury prone, so I think its ok to have rotation. Anyway in order to lure him, Liverpool would have to qualify for the next phase of UCL.

Then we can let go of Voronin and Babel tongue.gif.

The only problem now is.....money money money....
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Personally i think Liverpool should revert back to traditional 4-4-2.
Gerrard shadowing Torres is great (offensive) but at times we are caught short in the middle.
With 5 in the middle of the park, whenever we are attacking, with the wingbacks overlapping, we are prone to counter attacks. Since we are short with wide players now.. i think its time for Kuyt to reclaim his position upfront

Torres/Kuyt/Ngog - Upfront

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Loaning an expensive player for now is a very good idea. I know Pavlychenko is a good player, but whether his style suits us or not is another *cough* Keane *cough*

Or we can try loaning someone big and mean, like Mario Balotelli? brows.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 10:25 AM)
Liverpool's Yossi Benayoun and Albert Riera ruled out for a month

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/no...string-injuries
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also we got man city, everton and arsenal.

will our season end before xmas?
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i hope not
but liverpool back-up players really aint good enough, hate when ppl say liverpool are 2 men team.. looks very much now.. very sad.
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Lucas is very much not a defensive midfielder.. he was an attacking minded central midfielder back then in Brazil. With Grêmio he was voted as the best player in the Campeonato Brasileiro, the youngest ever to win the award... he's not a kind of player who sit back deep, not good at all at winning back possession or tracing back opponents. He is a converted DM, just like Kuyt, Yossy and Babel, they're not a natural winger. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
But he not content with the bench warming role.He want to play. We all know that if Torres is fit, there is no way he will be playing. Gerrard will be playing behind Torres. That's for sure.
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Thats is why all this suggestion will only happen if Mascherano leaves so there is a space for Gerrard to fit in midfield. Palu seems fine warming up the spurs bench though.
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Thats is why all this suggestion will only happen if Mascherano leaves so there is a space for Gerrard to fit in midfield. Palu seems fine warming up the spurs bench though.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:10 AM)
But he not content with the bench warming role.He want to play. We all know that if Torres is fit, there is no way he will be playing. Gerrard will be playing behind Torres. That's for sure.
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yup. so true. unless Benitez revert his tactics. Put Gerrard in the middle and give him free role.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:30 AM)
They wrote there "loan"... money for loan should be available.Hicks did give hint that he will provide some funds in jan after sealing the sponsor deal we get back in July.

And we will be losing players for sure... Babel, Voro, Dossena all wanna leaveeeee tongue.gif
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in January, with Liverpool thining squad, they can't afford to lose players.

QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Nov 12 2009, 11:42 AM)
Loaning an expensive player for now is a very good idea. I know Pavlychenko is a good player, but whether his style suits us or not is another *cough* Keane *cough*

Or we can try loaning someone big and mean, like Mario Balotelli? brows.gif
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like Mourinho will want to sell Balotelli.

QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 12 2009, 01:09 PM)
Lucas is very much not a defensive midfielder.. he was an attacking minded central midfielder back then in Brazil. With Grêmio he was voted as the best player in the Campeonato Brasileiro, the youngest ever to win the award... he's not a kind of player who sit back deep, not good at all at winning back possession or tracing back opponents. He is a converted DM, just like Kuyt, Yossy and Babel, they're not a natural winger. rclxub.gif
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I feel that our team lack of a menacing, big and strong attacking player.

We may need that kind of player to play against tougher English opponents who will put their players behind the ball...

Thats why previously there are rumours that Heskey might be coming back brows.gif

Torres and Gerrard's injury are causing us many tactical changes and reshuffling thus making our style of play a little bit inconsistant...
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holland's formation is 4-3-3...kuyt is considered a wing forward rather that right wing there..
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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Nov 12 2009, 03:19 PM)
I feel that our team lack of a menacing, big and strong attacking player.

We may need that kind of player to play against tougher English opponents who will put their players behind the ball...

Thats why previously there are rumours that Heskey might be coming back brows.gif

Torres and Gerrard's injury are causing us many tactical changes and reshuffling thus making our style of play a little bit inconsistant...
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Torres alone is more than menacing & freightening enuf...
Obviously the midfield is in a mess at the moment & failed to supply 'ammo' to the targetman. Even tho if you get another 'strong attacking player', what can he do if he didnt get the ball?
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how can anyone look fine warming the bench blink.gif
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I don't think midfield is the mess, is pretty simple analysis for Liverpool actually. If the team goal scoring is less, then problem is on the offensive side. If the team always conceding goals, that means lack of defense. If the team has a very bad possession, that will be the problem in midfield. Torres alone is not enough. ph34r.gif Btw, 78% possession in Birmingham game, that's freakin alot.

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you know, no need to change players - since we are always so compasionate, lets give the job back to the fella who started this whole falling off the perch thing in the first place - Graeme Souness!!! flex.gif


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QUOTE(tungfunglaw @ Nov 12 2009, 03:50 PM)
Torres alone is more than menacing & freightening enuf...
Obviously the midfield is in a mess at the moment & failed to supply 'ammo' to the targetman. Even tho if you get another 'strong attacking player', what can he do if he didnt get the ball?
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Nov 12 2009, 03:40 PM)
FYI, Kuyt played on the right wing for Holland before he joined Liverpool.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 12 2009, 04:16 PM)
you know, no need to change players - since we are always so compasionate, lets give the job back to the fella who started this whole falling off the perch thing in the first place - Graeme Souness!!!  flex.gif
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 12 2009, 04:06 PM)
I don't think midfield is the mess, is pretty simple analysis for Liverpool actually. If the team goal scoring is less, then problem is on the offensive side. If the team always conceding goals, that means lack of defense. If the team has a very bad possession, that will be the problem in midfield. Torres alone is not enough.  ph34r.gif Btw, 78% possession in Birmingham game, that's freakin alot.
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Rafa plays 2 DM to protect backfour but goal is leaking non-stop.

I remembered Hamman as DM which make Hyypia + Henchoz looks tough to beat.

It is combination problem between defender and midfield.

Currently, aerial defending is very poor especially from set-pieces.

I don't know it is because lack of height or something else.
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like Mourinho will want to sell Balotelli.
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Kuyt mostly plays as a striker partnering van persie for holland i think. Since nistelrooy retired from international football.
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whos the dutch forward?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 12 2009, 07:21 PM)
Pavyluchenko, Carlton Cole and Van der Vaart.
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Pavyluchenko, Carlton Cole and Van der Vaart.
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Isnt VDV a midfielder? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 12 2009, 07:21 PM)
Eljero Elia. More like a striker/winger. But seriously, do we need another dutch striker/winger biggrin.gif Supposedly a prodigy but bare in mind, Lucas and Babel were both considered hot prospects prior to their move to Liverpool too rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(kazuki85 @ Nov 12 2009, 03:19 PM)
I feel that our team lack of a menacing, big and strong attacking player.

We may need that kind of player to play against tougher English opponents who will put their players behind the ball...

Thats why previously there are rumours that Heskey might be coming back brows.gif

Torres and Gerrard's injury are causing us many tactical changes and reshuffling thus making our style of play a little bit inconsistant...
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Heskey's ability to hold up the ball and create chances for teammate are crucial for Liverpool but lacking of goals might be a turn off.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2009, 04:47 PM)
Rafa plays 2 DM to protect backfour but goal is leaking non-stop.

I remembered Hamman as DM which make Hyypia + Henchoz looks tough to beat.

It is combination problem between defender and midfield.

Currently, aerial defending is very poor especially from set-pieces.

I don't know it is because lack of height or something else.
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i think all Liverpool CBs are 185cm tall and above. it's the marking and positioning that make Liverpool concedes goal from set piece.

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You seriously do not want Balotelli on your team. One minute he's playing superbly well, the next he's on the floor. This guy is run by emotions. Im not sure Rafa could tame him. icon_idea.gif
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...england&cc=4716

He really need to improve alot to match SAF & Wenger
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 12 2009, 07:21 PM)
For a moment I thought I was reading Manchester United transfer targets.

Seriously, do we even have that kind of money to spend? Or are the owners/Rafa planning a surprise?

QUOTE(Mysterious Dr X @ Nov 12 2009, 07:44 PM)
Eljero Elia. More like a striker/winger. But seriously, do we need another dutch striker/winger biggrin.gif Supposedly a prodigy but bare in mind, Lucas and Babel were both considered hot prospects prior to their move to Liverpool too  rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 12 2009, 07:56 PM)
For a moment I thought I was reading Manchester United transfer targets.

Seriously, do we even have that kind of money to spend? Or are the owners/Rafa planning a surprise?
Well, Lucas has been one of our best players this season.
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likewise, lucas seems to be the best as everyone has been playing like crap recently.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 12 2009, 08:01 PM)
in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
likewise, lucas seems to be the best as everyone has been playing like crap recently.
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Well even when everybody played well (ManU match), he shined as well.

Honestly, cut him some slack already, he is fitting into the team really well and fulfilling his role. Not awhile ago we were moaning on the lack of creativity or attacking minded midfielders and now we got it covered with Lucas + Masch. When Aquilani's fit, we are gonna have 3 very able midfielders (4 if include Gerrard) and it's great to see what kind of combinations they could make.
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Nov 12 2009, 07:55 PM)
11 FACTS about Rafa:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story...england&cc=4716

He really need to improve alot to match SAF & Wenger
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reading this article further convince me that Rafa is indeed an enigma...
if you look at one side, he really hasnt done much for the club...but if you look the other side...there are many reasons to carry on supporting him!!
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 12 2009, 08:01 PM)
in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
likewise, lucas seems to be the best as everyone has been playing like crap recently.

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u mean nani? well, he certainly have the ability and quality plus shattered confidence. dunno if Rafa really want a flop at MU in his squad. Last MU player that he wanted to buy (Heinze) was not a flop at MU.
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u mean nani? well, he certainly have the ability and quality plus shattered confidence. dunno if Rafa really want a flop at MU in his squad. Last MU player that he wanted to buy (Heinze) was not a flop at MU.
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that old man SAF...Henzie also he wont sell to us......u think he will swallow his pride and sell us Nani?
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that old man SAF...Henzie also he wont sell to us......u think he will swallow his pride and sell us Nani?
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unless SAF really conviced that Nani won't make any impact liverpool which is the same ol' nani we saw at MU.
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We dont need someone who live under another players' shadow.

We dont need someone trying hard to be another player when he is incapable of.

I'm satisfy with players like El Zhar, Kuyt who play their own football and play their hearts out.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 08:52 PM)
We dont need someone who live under another players' shadow.

We dont need someone trying hard to be another player when he is incapable of.

I'm satisfy with players like El Zhar, Kuyt who play their own football and play their hearts out.
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i am not saying we should buy Nani but i think your statement is too harsh towards him..perhaps he is just trying to be a good or succesful player for his club..nothing wrong with that...

we need quality and whether the likes of El Zhar or even Kuyt bring you league titles is still questionable to me...no offence...

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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 12 2009, 09:01 PM)
i am not saying we should buy Nani but i think your statement is too harsh towards him..perhaps he is just trying to be a good or succesful player for his club..nothing wrong with that...

we need quality and whether the likes of El Zhar or even Kuyt bring you league titles is still questionable to me...no offence...
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I'm not sure about him being QUALITY player. He is more like a luxury benchwarmers to me.No offense to anyone but it's just that he has done not much,be it on pitch or off pitch, to justify his price tag.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 12 2009, 09:09 PM)
I'm not sure about him being QUALITY player. He is more like a luxury benchwarmers to me.No offense to anyone but it's just that he has done not much,be it on pitch or off pitch, to justify his price tag.
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no worries..i dont think he is = to quality too..... biggrin.gif
but i am more worried if some of ours are quality!
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where is our dear quaresma? anyone know?
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He already missing from our radar after that loan spell with Chelsea. quaresma already proved that he can't play outside Portugal.

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no worries..i dont think he is = to quality too..... biggrin.gif
but i am more worried if some of ours are quality!
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who are those that not qualify as quality player eh?
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who are those that not qualify as quality player eh?
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Nov 12 2009, 09:16 PM)
He already missing from our radar after that loan spell with Chelsea. quaresma already proved that he can't play outside Portugal.
who are those that not qualify as quality player eh?
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hahahah dont invite me to start war with you ah....

to me..fellas like Kuyt, Ngog, El Zhar..i am still uncertain if they have the quality week in and out to bring us the title...

dont get me wrong...i still love them long as they wear our jerseys..but at end of day..we really need no 19th...
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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 12 2009, 09:21 PM)
hahahah dont invite me to start war with you ah....

to me..fellas like Kuyt, Ngog, El Zhar..i am still uncertain if they have the quality week in and out to bring us the title...

dont get me wrong...i still love them  long as they wear our jerseys..but at end of day..we really need no 19th...
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West Ham slap £20m price tag on Carlton Cole as Liverpool line up January swoop for England striker


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...nd-striker.html

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England players are always overprice. just look at Lescott.
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West Ham slap £20m price tag on Carlton Cole as Liverpool line up January swoop for England striker
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...nd-striker.html

OVERPRICED!!!!! Anyway, not like we have the money anyway... whistling.gif
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He'll cost 50 mil if 2-3 years later...  brows.gif
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wtf no other player to get meh Rafa...????
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20m for cole? overprices coz he's english. better off with other player la. keep the money for summer spending.

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no lah. not intended to start any war. just wanna ready people's opinion and view.

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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 12 2009, 09:01 PM)
i am not saying we should buy Nani but i think your statement is too harsh towards him..perhaps he is just trying to be a good or succesful player for his club..nothing wrong with that...

we need quality and whether the likes of El Zhar or even Kuyt bring you league titles is still questionable to me...no offence...
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Agreed, El Zhar is not young any more, he's gonna be 24 next year and if he doesn't challenge for the first team he's pretty much as good as gone. Funny thing is that after El Zhar, there is no more young wingers lining up (I stand corrected though!) while on the other hand we've got too many in the striker's department - Ngog, Nemeth and now Eccleston.

And Kuyt, whenever he's in poor form he drags everybody down - poor first touch, lack of pace and lack of quality in general. I still like him for what he contributes elsewhere on the pitch but he's gonna be 30 next year. If we could get a good price for him, I'm up for it.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 13 2009, 11:38 AM)
Agreed, El Zhar is not young any more, he's gonna be 24 next year and if he doesn't challenge for the first team he's pretty much as good as gone. Funny thing is that after El Zhar, there is no more young wingers lining up (I stand corrected though!) while on the other hand we've got too many in the striker's department - Ngog, Nemeth and now Eccleston.

And Kuyt, whenever he's in poor form he drags everybody down - poor first touch, lack of pace and lack of quality in general. I still like him for what he contributes elsewhere on the pitch but he's gonna be 30 next year. If we could get a good price for him, I'm up for it.
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If I were Rafa, I would have put up a price tag of 20 million pound.

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for 14m? thats not really holding on to him, unlike the previous 30m tag on alonso.
so uhh, bye lucas biggrin.gif

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damn, 14m is sky high? which means rafa only rates lucas at 7m? around the same price he was bought?

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for 14m? thats not really holding on to him, unlike the previous 30m tag on alonso.
so uhh, bye lucas biggrin.gif
damn, 14m is sky high? which means rafa only rates lucas at 7m? around the same price he was bought?
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Just forget about Carlton Cole. Pavlyuchenko is the one Liverpool should consider. Just look at how he scored in the FA vs MU, probably the toughest goal. FYI, MU was at their prime esp. defense that time, not many is able to crack that up...


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lucas should be at least around 20m, he has talent n he has bright future...

Pavlyuchenko on the other hand is a failure, he failed for totenham, why do we need somebody that already 3rd or 4th choice striker for totenham, he cant even out do robbie keane at totenham, the one that failed 2 impress rafa n been sold back..
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Pavlyuchenko..
I'd really love to watch him play in Euro 2008. thought he can be a good partner for Torres. But watching him struggling to adapt with English football really disappointing me... he even complaining about English food, weather, and the lack of sun in England. If he can't make it in London, what's the chances that he'll settle in the gloomy city of Liverpool.

Forget about him, watch out for Edin Džeko... remember his name cos he's going to be a top top class striker in no time. But with interests coming from various top clubs in the world, it will be almost impossible to bring him to Anfield thou.

And why would we sell Lucas and then struggle to find a replacement when Masch or Aquaman got injured? Unless Rafa has received a lucrative 'unofficial' offer from somewhere..and he've got someone else in his mind already.

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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 13 2009, 07:40 PM)
Pavlyuchenko on the other hand is a failure, he failed for totenham, why do we need somebody that already 3rd or 4th choice striker for totenham, he cant even out do robbie keane at totenham, the one that failed 2 impress rafa n been sold back..
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I don't think Pavlyuchenko is a failure maybe he just need more playing time to prove himself. And, Robbie Keane failed to impress rafa doesn't mean you have to put Pavlyuchenko on the same league. He's the main striker for Russia and helps Tottenham to improve their position last season.

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Pavlyuchenko..
I'd really love to watch him play in Euro 2008. thought he can be a good partner for Torres. But watching him struggling to adapt with English football really disappointing me... he even complaining about English food, weather, and the lack of sun in England. If he can't make it in London, what's the chances that he'll settle in the gloomy city of Liverpool. 
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Food maybe, weather? I thought Russia is colder? Anyway, is sucha waste...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...y-Redknapp.html

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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 13 2009, 07:40 PM)
lucas should be at least around 20m, he has talent n he has bright future...

Pavlyuchenko on the other hand is a failure, he failed for totenham, why do we need somebody that already 3rd or 4th choice striker for totenham, he cant even out do robbie keane at totenham, the one that failed 2 impress rafa n been sold back..
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Nov 13 2009, 08:01 PM)
Pavlyuchenko..
I'd really love to watch him play in Euro 2008. thought he can be a good partner for Torres. But watching him struggling to adapt with English football really disappointing me... he even complaining about English food, weather, and the lack of sun in England. If he can't make it in London, what's the chances that he'll settle in the gloomy city of Liverpool. 

Forget about him, watch out for Edin Džeko... remember his name cos he's going to be a top top class striker in no time. But with interests coming from various top clubs in the world, it will be almost impossible to bring him to Anfield thou.

And why would we sell Lucas and then struggle to find a replacement when Masch or Aquaman got injured? Unless Rafa has received a lucrative 'unofficial' offer from somewhere..and he've got someone else in his mind already.
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Pavlychenko is not a failure.He was, when he was under Ramos but Looked what he is under Redknapp, he bagged double digits goals in his 1st season.

It's manager problem rather than his own problem.He is more settled now, no doubt about that.
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ok, but is it worth the risk to get him? he wont come cheap, probably around 20m or more...i definitely more than happy to see nemeth back n playing in the starting eleven..
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ok, but is it worth the risk to get him? he wont come cheap, probably around 20m or more...i definitely more than happy to see nemeth back n playing in the starting eleven..
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Wow, if u rate him at 20m that means he should be worthy. If you look at the news, Tottenham bought him for somewhere around 14m only.
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 13 2009, 08:14 PM)
ok, but is it worth the risk to get him? he wont come cheap, probably around 20m or more...i definitely more than happy to see nemeth back n playing in the starting eleven..
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Nemeth is on loan for a season long.It's an agreement we had as part of the deal for Krygiakos. They wanted El Zhar at 1st but Rafa not allowed El Zhar to leave because he regards him as 1st team squad player so they picked Nemeth instead.Because of that,I think we are not allowed to recall him back.

Is there a risk? Nope if we sign him on loan.Probably pay a little, pay his wage and try out whether he will be another keane. If he suits the team, then splash the cash and get him. If he cant fit in the team, out he goes. tongue.gif


Reports suggested that Rafa want him on loan.If it's loan, it's worth trying, imo.
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yeah.. our own András Simon and Krisztián Németh have shown a great partnership in U-20 world cup, helping Hungary to finish 3rd in the tournament..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 13 2009, 08:27 PM)
Nemeth is on loan for a season long.It's an agreement we had as part of the deal for Krygiakos. They wanted El Zhar at 1st but Rafa not allowed El Zhar to leave because he regards him as 1st team squad player so they picked Nemeth instead.Because of that,I think we are not allowed to recall him back.

Is there a risk? Nope if we sign him on loan.Probably pay a little, pay his wage and try out whether he will be another keane. If he suits the team, then splash the cash and get him. If he cant fit in the team, out he goes.  tongue.gif
Reports suggested that Rafa want him on loan.If it's loan, it's worth trying, imo.
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even if we sign him on loan, you still need to consider that wages will cut down our transfer budget. Our budget includes any upgrades of contract or wage bills. Anyway, i think zenit is interested in him and i'm sure spurs will rather SELL him for a price to a NON-RIVAL club. Carlton cole is overprices and if we sell lucas, we still can't afford him. we need to spend on another back up DM. If we sell babel, on the other hand tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 13 2009, 09:27 PM)
Is there a risk? Nope if we sign him on loan.Probably pay a little, pay his wage and try out whether he will be another keane. If he suits the team, then splash the cash and get him. If he cant fit in the team, out he goes.  tongue.gif
Reports suggested that Rafa want him on loan.If it's loan, it's worth trying, imo.
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If it's really a loan deal.. then, we've got nothing to loose. Rafa can't afford to waste a single penny on a flop player anymore. The experimental period has over.

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usually loan player has a clause saying they can be call back anytime. but if its not there.. what a mistake by whomever involved.
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 13 2009, 08:25 PM)
Wow, if u rate him at 20m that means he should be worthy. If you look at the news, Tottenham bought him for somewhere around 14m only.
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hahaha..actually i really dont know how much he worth in this modern days football, the money can be crazy sometimes.. i rate him around 20m million because the price almost similar to c.cole which obviously its over priced compare to the player him self...
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Nemeth is on loan for a season long.It's an agreement we had as part of the deal for Krygiakos. They wanted El Zhar at 1st but Rafa not allowed El Zhar to leave because he regards him as 1st team squad player so they picked Nemeth instead.Because of that,I think we are not allowed to recall him back.

Is there a risk? Nope if we sign him on loan.Probably pay a little, pay his wage and try out whether he will be another keane. If he suits the team, then splash the cash and get him. If he cant fit in the team, out he goes.  tongue.gif
Reports suggested that Rafa want him on loan.If it's loan, it's worth trying, imo.
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well if that the case, then its ok, i guess rafa did learn something from robbie keane..anyway, that roman dude probably move out of england, mayb to italy or something that suit his style with milan closely monitor his progress.. doh.gif
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Pavlyuchenko proved himself that he can play in EPL even though he dislikes England environment. heck, even Vidic said the same thing. everyday rain, no sun bla bla bla. but he proved himself as a top class defender.

Loan deal would be perfect for Liverpool. If spurs scared of facing him when play against Liverpool, Spurs can ask to forbid Pavlyucenko from playing against them whenever Liverpool face Spurs just like when Tim Howard loaned to Everton by MU.
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Nov 13 2009, 08:42 PM)
Pavlyuchenko proved himself that he can play in EPL even though he dislikes England environment. heck, even Vidic said the same thing. everyday rain, no sun bla bla bla. but he proved himself as a top class defender.

Loan deal would be perfect for Liverpool. If spurs scared of facing him when play against Liverpool, Spurs can ask to forbid Pavlyucenko from playing against them whenever Liverpool face Spurs just like when Tim Howard loaned to Everton by MU.
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Pavlyuchenko looks great. But not getting enough chances to play at spurs. Keane/Defoe/Crouch preferred over him..

Anyway, I saw a burger stall by the name "LCF burger" around my area..with a big logo somemore..

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QUOTE(nshady @ Nov 13 2009, 11:47 PM)
Pavlyuchenko looks great. But not getting enough chances to play at spurs. Keane/Defoe/Crouch preferred over him..

Anyway, I saw a burger stall by the name "LCF burger" around my area..with a big logo somemore..
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lol i think someone posted it before. there's a stall near my area "ANFIELD BURGER".
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nemeth scored against Italy in U21 Euro
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QUOTE(Mysterious Dr X @ Nov 13 2009, 11:58 PM)
lol i think someone posted it before. there's a stall near my area "ANFIELD BURGER".
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there's a lot like that actually. at subang square got Anfield Cafe. At Slim River in Perak got Handphone shop called Liverphone. It has a Liverpool logo that name changed from Liverpool to Liverphone. The emblem changed from a bird to a phone. and best thing is the slogan. From 'You'll never walk alone' to 'You'll never phone alone'. biggrin.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Nov 14 2009, 08:55 AM)
there's a lot like that actually. at subang square got Anfield Cafe. At Slim River in Perak got Handphone shop called Liverphone. It has a Liverpool logo that name changed from Liverpool to Liverphone. The emblem changed from a bird to a phone. and best thing is the slogan. From 'You'll never walk alone' to 'You'll never phone alone'.  biggrin.gif  laugh.gif
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I thought it sound more rhyme with "You'll never talk alone" laugh.gif
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talk alone sounds better with the original theme "walk alone"

but if u want rhyme / pun....phone alone sounds better...ends with the same syllable


Added on November 14, 2009, 8:44 pm


nemeth's the nxt torres! thumbup.gif

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post Nov 14 2009, 08:50 PM

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hehehehe...if things dont work out with Rafa..and this man walks in...what a story!!!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716

Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has alerted his potential suitors in England by admitting he would welcome a return to the Premier League with a club where he can found a lasting legacy.


Jose Mourinho was dubbed 'The Special One' upon arriving at Chelsea
Mourinho, currently managing Italian club Inter Milan, has been sorely missed in England since he departed Stamford Bridge in September 2007 having won back-to-back Premier League titles as well as the FA Cup and two Carling Cups.

His charisma and wit won him many admirers during his three-and-a-half years in the country and in Italy he has only built on his reputation by winning Serie A at the first attempt last season.

Reports continue to link Mourinho with a possible role at Manchester United when Sir Alex Ferguson finally retires and the Portuguese has made it very clear that he feels England is the best environment for him to try and emulate the Scot by achieving sustained excellence over an extended period at one club.

"Clearly it is unrealistic to expect to stay at a club as long as Sir Alex, but I am ready for the next phase of my career," Mourinho told the Times. "I want to work with a different perspective.

"At Porto, my objective was to win to earn the right to go abroad. At Chelsea, my ambition was to create a bit of history. But I always knew Chelsea lacked the normal English culture of stability.

"I was never under any illusions. I understood the personality of Roman and the culture of the people around him and knew it was not a job for ten years. My role was to give this man what he wanted - victory - knowing that, sooner or later, my time would finish, because there were too many things going on around me.

"In Italy, I was coming to the motherland of tactics, the country of catenaccio and defensive football. The objective was to win not only in a third different league but a place where they say foreign coaches have had little success. But the time will come for stability.

"I love Inter and would love to build for the future here. In fact, I am doing it now, because I am not a selfish coach and I'm thinking about the future in terms of youth development and the age structure of my first team - but Italy is not the country for this. England is the country. And my football is English football."
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 13 2009, 07:40 PM)
lucas should be at least around 20m, he has talent n he has bright future...

Pavlyuchenko on the other hand is a failure, he failed for totenham, why do we need somebody that already 3rd or 4th choice striker for totenham, he cant even out do robbie keane at totenham, the one that failed 2 impress rafa n been sold back..
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u sure lucas worth 20m? u mean 20m in pound or euro?
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hope not RM 20m..
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QUOTE(angel-face @ Nov 14 2009, 08:58 PM)
u sure lucas worth 20m? u mean 20m in pound or euro?
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does it matter, its not that u guys goin to buy him anyway tongue.gif ..
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QUOTE(angel-face @ Nov 14 2009, 08:58 PM)
u sure lucas worth 20m? u mean 20m in pound or euro?
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Do you think Ronaldo worth 80m?


It's all up to the buyer. If they want Lucas for 40m, so be it.
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QUOTE(ezikie1 @ Nov 14 2009, 08:04 PM)
talk alone sounds better with the original theme "walk alone"


nemeth's the nxt torres! thumbup.gif
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nice goal, damn, he kept scoring goals, if only rafa gamble more on him instead of ngog laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 14 2009, 09:31 PM)
does it matter, its not that u guys goin to buy him anyway tongue.gif ..
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lolx....we dowan oso rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


Added on November 14, 2009, 11:04 pm
QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 14 2009, 09:35 PM)
Do you think Ronaldo worth 80m?
It's all up to the buyer. If they want Lucas for 40m, so be it.
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i think har? hmmm dunnoe lu~~~

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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 14 2009, 11:07 PM)
nice goal, damn, he kept scoring goals, if only rafa gamble more on him instead of ngog  laugh.gif
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nice assist from Simon too...
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QUOTE(ELm_ELm @ Nov 14 2009, 10:07 PM)
nice goal, damn, he kept scoring goals, if only rafa gamble more on him instead of ngog  laugh.gif

There's no place for Nemeth in the current formation. Too lightweight to be the targetman.
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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 14 2009, 08:50 PM)
hehehehe...if things dont work out with Rafa..and this man walks in...what a story!!!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716

Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has alerted his potential suitors in England by admitting he would welcome a return to the Premier League with a club where he can found a lasting legacy.
Jose Mourinho was dubbed 'The Special One' upon arriving at Chelsea
Mourinho, currently managing Italian club Inter Milan, has been sorely missed in England since he departed Stamford Bridge in September 2007 having won back-to-back Premier League titles as well as the FA Cup and two Carling Cups.

His charisma and wit won him many admirers during his three-and-a-half years in the country and in Italy he has only built on his reputation by winning Serie A at the first attempt last season.

Reports continue to link Mourinho with a possible role at Manchester United when Sir Alex Ferguson finally retires and the Portuguese has made it very clear that he feels England is the best environment for him to try and emulate the Scot by achieving sustained excellence over an extended period at one club.

"Clearly it is unrealistic to expect to stay at a club as long as Sir Alex, but I am ready for the next phase of my career," Mourinho told the Times. "I want to work with a different perspective.

"At Porto, my objective was to win to earn the right to go abroad. At Chelsea, my ambition was to create a bit of history. But I always knew Chelsea lacked the normal English culture of stability.

"I was never under any illusions. I understood the personality of Roman and the culture of the people around him and knew it was not a job for ten years. My role was to give this man what he wanted - victory - knowing that, sooner or later, my time would finish, because there were too many things going on around me.

"In Italy, I was coming to the motherland of tactics, the country of catenaccio and defensive football. The objective was to win not only in a third different league but a place where they say foreign coaches have had little success. But the time will come for stability.

"I love Inter and would love to build for the future here. In fact, I am doing it now, because I am not a selfish coach and I'm thinking about the future in terms of youth development and the age structure of my first team - but Italy is not the country for this. England is the country. And my football is English football."
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just watched Greece vs Ukraine.. Kyrgiakos looks like King Leonidas of Sparta. very solid...
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Playing pes 2010 ps2 atm. Plessis and Ngog should be left footed right? correct me if I'm wrong.
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I know it's already been discussed but I couldn't find an opportunity to post until now. I think the overreaction to N'Gog's dive is a farce! Heaps of players dive but when N'Gog did, he made the sports headlines on all local dailies. I never saw Ronaldo get this much press! What about Drogba??? Suddenly there's a call for a review on diving??? It's victimisation, nothing more.
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Playing pes 2010 ps2 atm. Plessis and Ngog should be left footed right? correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ngog is a right footed player. dont know plessis
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 15 2009, 08:16 AM)
I know it's already been discussed but I couldn't find an opportunity to post until now. I think the overreaction to N'Gog's dive is a farce! Heaps of players dive but when N'Gog did, he made the sports headlines on all local dailies. I never saw Ronaldo get this much press! What about Drogba??? Suddenly there's a call for a review on diving??? It's victimisation, nothing more.
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whenever there's a liverpool player involved, it's a witch hunt
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QUOTE(nando @ Nov 14 2009, 08:50 PM)
hehehehe...if things dont work out with Rafa..and this man walks in...what a story!!!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=4716

Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho has alerted his potential suitors in England by admitting he would welcome a return to the Premier League with a club where he can found a lasting legacy.
Jose Mourinho was dubbed 'The Special One' upon arriving at Chelsea
Mourinho, currently managing Italian club Inter Milan, has been sorely missed in England since he departed Stamford Bridge in September 2007 having won back-to-back Premier League titles as well as the FA Cup and two Carling Cups.

His charisma and wit won him many admirers during his three-and-a-half years in the country and in Italy he has only built on his reputation by winning Serie A at the first attempt last season.

Reports continue to link Mourinho with a possible role at Manchester United when Sir Alex Ferguson finally retires and the Portuguese has made it very clear that he feels England is the best environment for him to try and emulate the Scot by achieving sustained excellence over an extended period at one club.

"Clearly it is unrealistic to expect to stay at a club as long as Sir Alex, but I am ready for the next phase of my career," Mourinho told the Times. "I want to work with a different perspective.

"At Porto, my objective was to win to earn the right to go abroad. At Chelsea, my ambition was to create a bit of history. But I always knew Chelsea lacked the normal English culture of stability.

"I was never under any illusions. I understood the personality of Roman and the culture of the people around him and knew it was not a job for ten years. My role was to give this man what he wanted - victory - knowing that, sooner or later, my time would finish, because there were too many things going on around me.

"In Italy, I was coming to the motherland of tactics, the country of catenaccio and defensive football. The objective was to win not only in a third different league but a place where they say foreign coaches have had little success. But the time will come for stability.

"I love Inter and would love to build for the future here. In fact, I am doing it now, because I am not a selfish coach and I'm thinking about the future in terms of youth development and the age structure of my first team - but Italy is not the country for this. England is the country. And my football is English football."
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What a sorry excuse to move away from Inter. doh.gif

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 15 2009, 08:16 AM)
I know it's already been discussed but I couldn't find an opportunity to post until now. I think the overreaction to N'Gog's dive is a farce! Heaps of players dive but when N'Gog did, he made the sports headlines on all local dailies. I never saw Ronaldo get this much press! What about Drogba??? Suddenly there's a call for a review on diving??? It's victimisation, nothing more.
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Exactly, even the Eduado fiasco earlier only warrant 1 day of our local Sun. Our Ngog made the sports headlines for 3 days straight.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Nov 15 2009, 11:13 AM)
What a sorry excuse to move away from Inter. doh.gif
Exactly, even the Eduado fiasco earlier only warrant 1 day of our local Sun. Our Ngog made the sports headlines for 3 days straight.
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But Eduardo did get ban for 2 matches I think...
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 15 2009, 11:23 AM)
But Eduardo did get ban for 2 matches I think...
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Won appeal.You are an arsenal fans, you should know better, no?
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Won appeal.You are an arsenal fans, you should know better, no?
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I mentioned there "i think"...But I wouldn't care less about Eduardo dive, we're on a winning situation anyway. Ngog too escape punishment i think, no?
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 15 2009, 11:23 AM)
But Eduardo did get ban for 2 matches I think...
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 15 2009, 11:40 AM)
I mentioned there "i think"...But I wouldn't care less about Eduardo dive, we're on a winning situation anyway. Ngog too escape punishment i think, no?
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I was referring to the media coverage.
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QUOTE(ProbMan @ Nov 15 2009, 11:40 AM)
I mentioned there "i think"...But I wouldn't care less about Eduardo dive, we're on a winning situation anyway. Ngog too escape punishment i think, no?
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It's not punishment problem.It's how the media bash Ngog like he is the only one diving in the league.He made the headlines for few days while Eduardo ,Drogba and Ronaldo never get such treatment.

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