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neb
post Nov 19 2010, 02:03 PM

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RM10K for how many meter? shocking.gif I am from kampung, I want to see see such cable, must be made out of gold brows.gif

for comparison, most expensive HDMI cable in the world will cost you US$1K/m
http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/12/10/w...ive-hdmi-cable/
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post Nov 19 2010, 02:04 PM

hmm...
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he just giving example bro but he got the point there smile.gif
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post Nov 19 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Nov 19 2010, 02:03 PM)
RM10K for how many meter? shocking.gif  I am from kampung, I want to see see such cable, must be made out of gold brows.gif

for comparison, most expensive HDMI cable in the world will cost you US$1K/m
http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/12/10/w...ive-hdmi-cable/
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It is made out of unobtainium.

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Ppl have to travel into the unknown and risk their lives to get it. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 19 2010, 03:10 PM

hmm...
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post Nov 19 2010, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Nov 19 2010, 02:03 PM)
RM10K for how many meter? shocking.gif  I am from kampung, I want to see see such cable, must be made out of gold brows.gif

for comparison, most expensive HDMI cable in the world will cost you US$1K/m
http://www.hardwaresphere.com/2009/12/10/w...ive-hdmi-cable/
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Yap, such thing exist in the Hi Fi world. Quote:
"Valhalla and Valkyrja is in price: $3300 versus $2000 per meter pair of interconnects, and $7350 versus $4600 per eight-foot pair of speaker cables." BTW, those price are quoted in US dollar. Do you own calculation.

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/nordost_valhalla.htm

And if you think your super size Plasma TV is expensive, you haven't seen what some speaker can cost. How about RM200K sounded to you?







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post Nov 19 2010, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 19 2010, 03:05 PM)
It is made out of unobtainium.
wow! amazing stuff, can it kills superman LOL


Added on November 19, 2010, 3:48 pm
QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 19 2010, 03:20 PM)
And if you think your super size Plasma TV is expensive, you haven't seen what some speaker can cost. How about RM200K sounded to you?
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plasma TVs have been cheap in recent years

This post has been edited by neb: Nov 19 2010, 03:48 PM
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post Nov 19 2010, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Nov 19 2010, 03:45 PM)
plasma TVs have been cheap in recent years
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Well, speakers have been around far longer than Plasma TV and yet, the price is still sky high, if not higher. They defies gravity, even senses.





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post Nov 19 2010, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Nov 19 2010, 03:45 PM)
plasma TVs have been cheap in recent years
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you should check out Runco rclxub.gif also defies logic.
QUOTE(yonggoh @ Nov 14 2010, 08:38 PM)
mmm pretty blue colours smile.gif

labeled them individually myself... useful when i  need to know what is what next time...
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Wow... nice chord cables... Not read the entire thread and no offense but you guys know how far the signal has to travel for Astro? I mean signal from consoles or DVR is super clean relatively. 2m is not going to help for the noise over km.


Added on November 19, 2010, 6:11 pm
QUOTE(tvrosak @ Sep 15 2010, 12:38 PM)
Why so much of quarrel.

There are two types of data transfer format.
1) wired
2) wireless

Wired data transfer is always the best compared to wireless.
Wireless is the lowest reliability but still is in use for broadcasting, and now HD broadcasting.

Imagine how we received Astro B.yond signal, it is more than 2 HD signals were sent to Astro B.yond decoder (I'm not sure exact number of HD channels) through wireless communication. So why we need to spend for expensive HDMI cables, but we received signal from the lowest reliability communication form.

A cheapo HDMI cable is good enuf as long as it is working. Other than that, are all about marketing.

If we talk about technical/electrical technology. Yes, the expensive cable would have better specs. But we got to understand human limitation, how many colour or how many picture in second our brain can process.

Most of d time, these so-called new technology are useless or badly designed/implemented. Therefore, big companies/manufacturers are trying to create fuss to make their product stands out.

As a something to think about, before this there were 2 picture formats are known in common.
1) PAL 25fps
2) NTSC 29.997fps

recently 24fps. And now everybody wants to buy TV that has support of 24fps. Isn't it lower frame rate than the previous we had. But can we see the differences? (info:- most of people's brain can only process up to 16fps)
But why is the 24fps is a fuss right now? I'll let you guys think about it.....
(it is about technology limitation)
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Wireless also sometimes go through wired backbone.

Movies are usually made in 24fps, especially Hollywood. Hence less artifacts when you display in native. Sure there are technology limitations, but most of all is in terms of bandwidth which is why there are so many compression and techniques like interlacing.

I understand the theory behind digital signals hence the assumption HDMI cables are the same. But do note that even in digital PC world there is error correction or checking bit. Which means information is not lossless through the medium. But in TV there is no error correction simply because it is REAL TIME. There is no time to request for verification.

I agree human perception has limitations. BTW the brain can process MORE than 16fps but at >16fps the eye can be tricked into motion. PC gamers will know that fps need to be >60fps or ideally >75fps to be stutter and flicker free. But theoretically I think low quality HDMI and good ones have differences... but question is whether we can PERCEIVE them. Remember the screens are refreshing at 50/60Hz so data error stays on screen about 16ms...

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QUOTE(specuvestor @ Nov 19 2010, 05:45 PM)
Wireless also sometimes go through wired backbone.
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post Nov 19 2010, 11:42 PM

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That thing costs 20mil a kilo......... and difficult to get bcoz every god damn thing that crawl, fly , squart in the mud out there want to kill you and eat your eye ball for jujube.





QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 19 2010, 03:05 PM)
It is made out of unobtainium.

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Ppl have to travel into the unknown and risk their lives to get it.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(neb @ Nov 19 2010, 03:45 PM)
wow! amazing stuff, can it kills superman LOL
If can kill superman than this rock is not coming from earth right? laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif


Added on November 20, 2010, 10:18 amAs what I know HDMI 1.4 are deliver on 5 type of cable. To transmite 3D video, HDMI high speed is necessary. I thought all HDMI 1.4 are 3D ready. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 20 2010, 10:10 AM)
If can kill superman than this rock is not coming from earth right?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

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post Nov 20 2010, 04:08 PM

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anybody actually try playing 3d bd with hdmi 1.3? is it working?
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post Nov 23 2010, 12:37 AM

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There's built quality in everything.

Bad quality cables will result in signal failure/errors, particularly when the length is long.

You don't need to buy very expensive cables. Just normal cables around the range of RM60 should be just fine.
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Yesterday i have my LED monitor with 2 HDMI input. Felt like using HDMI with PC no rasa 1.. lolz.. some more output stereo no sound? wtf = =
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http://www.amazon.com/Monster-M1000-HD-8-U...#R1EWE1FT2K1QCO

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I'll be honest. I ordered the Monster M1000 HD-8 Ultimate High Speed HDTV HDMI Cable (8 feet) based off the amazing promises I read about at Amazon.com.

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The Monster M1000 HD-8 Ultimate High Speed HDTV HDMI Cable (8 feet) also makes my Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz taste much better than before. I've definitely noticed a differnce in color as well. Don't listen to the detractors that say cables don't matter. The Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz is much whiter that before I got my Monster M1000 HD-8 Ultimate High Speed HDTV HDMI Cable (8 feet) and it seems to sound much better when I pour it, as well.

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post Jan 13 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(low98944 @ Nov 3 2009, 03:22 PM)
People already said the signal for digital is 0 or 1.  So, not matter what make the HDMI cable, you still received 0 or 1 signal.  You think better quality HDMI can produced 0 or 1 in this form: 0 or 1laugh.gif

So, do you think if machine received better looking 1 or 0  tongue.gif , your picture and audio qualities will be better?  rclxub.gif

Conclusion, if your HDMI cable can received 0 or 1 signal (mean it is good HDMI cable) or can't received 0 or 1 signal (mean this is defect HDMI cable). That's all, case closed.  whistling.gif
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Same song. Same singer. Same 0 & 1. Same house. Same time. Same stars in the sky. Same Tenaga electricity. Same popcorn. Same wife. Same gf holding my hands. But different CD from different country or placed on different CD-R can sound same in car stereo system but can sound different in some higher resolution Hi Fi set up. Any idea why?

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 13 2011, 11:39 AM)
Same song. Same singer. Same 0 & 1. Same house. Same time. Same stars in the sky. Same Tenaga electricity. Same popcorn. Same wife. Same gf holding my hands. But different CD from different country or placed on different CD-R can sound same in car stereo system but can sound different in some higher resolution Hi Fi set up. Any idea why?
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Wah, you got a wife and at the same time gf holding your hands?

That want, you have to tell us why. brows.gif
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QUOTE(DigitalTech @ Jan 13 2011, 12:03 PM)
Wah, you got a wife and at the same time gf holding your hands?

That want, you have to tell us why.  brows.gif
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That is for me to know and for you to find out biggrin.gif

As for why the same 0 and 1 can sound different, I am waiting for someone to tell me the reason why.

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post Jan 13 2011, 02:14 PM

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this is from my experience....an expensive HDMI does not really equal to quality product.....4 years ago when HDMI was still new....the price was insanely high ....i bought a 15m supra HDMI for RM1650 but it failed to work on my projector.....the signal lost was too great to recover but it worked on some TV.....later on i spent RM300 for an unbranded HDMI cable online and it works flawlessly till now.

from what i know....all digital signal goes through an algorithm to retrieve back the missing 0 and 1 lost through transmission...the calculation in the algorithm will insert the closest possible match but the O and 1 inserted may not be the same as the original source....if the signal lost is to great and the DSP or DAC is not able to retrieve a full stream and error or pixelization would appear....

this is very much the same as Astro signal....if the transmission is weak ...we will still view the image but instead of Noise that we get from analog transmission...we will get pixelization and image error in the picture.....

i think a good digital cable is suppose to send the full signal without any missing 0 and 1.....the issue would be the jitter as well...if any of the HDMI core is of a different quality...the transmission of 0 and 1 will reach in a different time....jitter is the biggest problem for digital transmission...

to me i think a good hdmi cable would improve the quality of the audio but not so much on the video stream...

anyway...just my 2 cent

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