Hi Guy
I'm almost done bulking up. Now i'm preparing to go next phase in transforming my body which is get rip/lean.

Need your advice in supplement stack.

I'm staple GNC Megaman Multivitamin.

I'm thinking using ON Pro Complex, Gaspari SizeOn and replacing NO-Explode to Gaspari Superpump250.

Anyone have try On Pro Complex??

Pls Advice.

Come on, don't depend solely on supplements.

There's a Team ProComplex around here. Dedicated to the sensible use of that very potent supplement. Unfortunately, I heard that membership is very exclusive.

Dude, I don't know much about supplement. If I wanna get lean, the first thing I'd do is to clean up my diet and eat clean food first (plus multivits and fish oil).

And those supplements you mentioned aren't exactly about getting lean either. They are mostly to enhance your work out.

LOTS AND LOTS OF COFFEE.

i pay a visit to toilet more by doing that


Chow

ephedrine+caffeine

Really??

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Added on October 6, 2009, 8:32 amHow about calories?? I'm changing from mass gainer which contain high calorie to Pro Complex (low calorie)
Izzit good strategy?

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Added on October 6, 2009, 8:33 amwhat is ephedrine?? care to explain??

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Added on October 6, 2009, 8:34 amI'm taking cappuchino every morning at the office with full cream milk. izzit ok??

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Added on October 6, 2009, 8:38 amCorrect. I use supplement as catalyst.


This post has been edited by arekey: Oct 6 2009, 08:38 AM

Black coffee without milk and sugar is what you need but a pill would be easier.

TQ for your advice. surely would have tough time to drink that coffee

ripped by means "pecah" ?? into competitions or what ??

black coffee without milk or sugar is the best ;p

yeah,but taste so bad..haha..

I don't see why you need other supplements besides protein power. Do cardio regularly, lift hard, and plan your diet properly.

to get rip is not easy, to MAINTAIN it is another thing...unless you're into comp...

What Protien?

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Added on November 6, 2009, 2:18 pmYou were rite. but i'm not in comp at the moment

This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 6 2009, 02:18 PM

post your body pictures dawg...might have a clue on how to help you out later...

I'm already taking Pro Complex
TQ

taking pro complex does not guarantee you anything...same goes to another supplements...to be ripped is mean to have max 5% bodyfat and tight muscle...unless you have that, don't think any supplements will be any help to you...

not saying you can't be ripped tho...

It's guarantee adequate nutrition to me in skeletal muscle development.

that's not guarantee...it's called nutritions effect...

don't worry, i think you'll get ripped in no time...

if it's true, sure i'll making money.

ripped cannot be guarantee unless u watch ur calories..
calories in vs calories out

OH COME ON !!! adequate nutrition with pro complex alone ? Adequate nutrition = adequate amounts of each macronutrient (carbs, proteins and fats) from WHOLE FOOD SOURCES.

lol, just ignore his msg, he is strong believer of supplement.

Didn't you know the word STACK??? or should i give you the meaning of stack???
Bodybuilding supplements are good because they prevent us from getting any nutritional deficiencies. The increased activity levels from your new exercise program will make your body have greater demands for vitamins and minerals, which will increase the probability of you suffering a deficiency without supplementation. Even a slight nutrient deficiency can sabotage muscle growth. Can't we get all the nutrients we need from food alone? We cannot rely solely on food nowadays to provide us with all the vitamins and minerals that our body needs because the processing of foods before they get to the supermarket, cooking, air, and even light have already robbed your foods of most of the vitamins that they have to offer. If you are deficient in one or more nutrients your body may not be able to build muscle and burn fat properly.

Not all bodybuilding supplements are created equal though. Some your body always needs, others are more dependent upon what your goals are and what your budget looks like.

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Added on November 6, 2009, 9:35 pmWelcome to the club!

This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 6 2009, 09:35 PM

Nobody ask you to buy in supermarket or to buy processed food. Go to wet market if you want, if you want result it's not a problem getting earlier to buy you foods. Buy supply for 1 week, you can do it on saturdays or sundays too. In short EAT MORE NATURAL FOODS.



negro coal miners don't get to eat very good meals but their muscles are RIPPPPPPPPPED

not everyone needs supplement. it's mainly for those who-
can't eat big meals
reaching plateau
seeking faster result
etc etc

supplement is just another marketing strategy of bodybuilding companies.

there was a time when people buy car. it was about getting from point A to point B. but then companies realize some people want FAST CAR, some people want BIG PASSENGER COMPARTMENT, some people wants TO CARRY GOODS, some people wants TO DRIVE IN ROUGH TERRAIN.

and so...you have sports car...vans....mpv....suv....lorry....pickup...jeep....so on.
it's a marketing strategy of providing customer what they want.

it applies in bodybuilding too! you could do countless of exercises with just barbell, dumbbells, plates and benches...but then some people wants larger back so here comes the lat machine some people wants larger biceps so here comes this machine that machine and all those craps...

if you really want good result
1 do your exercise wisely
2 eat wisely
3 rest wisely
4 do everything wisely

you really can't depend on whey alone for example.
there's many kinds of protein and whey can't provide all of them. your body will get less effect from protein if you eat the same kind over and over and over again.
gain your protein intake from broad source of foods.

it's been like 3 weeks of training in gym for me and seems like i'm better than you. you have to learn! don't know anything? GOOGLE IT....
please don't cry here
NOT SHOWING OFF, DON'T FLAME ME

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Added on November 6, 2009, 10:08 pmone more thing.
bodybuilding works your brain more than on your muscles

This post has been edited by Apple_Wannabe: Nov 6 2009, 10:08 PM

@ apple

seriously he won't take your word.
i hope budak84 is here

why? budak is good in physcology? ^^

good ?? he's the best !!

hahahhaha....

bro,suplements is supllements
eat raw food..high protein food...
some of this guy have been there,done that....sometime just accept some advise and consider it...

nothing beats real food

and ken86 is almost as ripped as hell..and u didnt believe him??hehehehheeh...u asked for rip and lean...ken is the one u should ask la wey....

This post has been edited by reddice: Nov 7 2009, 12:00 AM

WOW!!! big talking. pro!!

chill out dude...PMS ?? LOL

everyone has right to their own opinion...talking big like that didn't make you any better than him...

eh? i tot eat protein powder, carb shakes, all the micro nutrients in pills and not having to eat normal food can make u big and ripped wat?
Just take 100% supplements lah... can wan...

i'm not better than him because i'm pro but because he's retarded.
people who don't learn won't improved, people who can't accept hardcore comments are meant to fail.
my life works this way. no improvement=no progress=wasting time=wasting life
bodybuilding can bring about many improvements, not only muscles

chill out dude...PMS ?? LOL

everyone has right to their own opinion...talking big like that didn't make you any better than him...

nice comment, accepted ^^

This post has been edited by Apple_Wannabe: Nov 7 2009, 12:31 PM

Supplement meant to be used together with a well balanced diet and hardcore training routine.
And i don't deny what ken86 said because it's true.
The problem is he think i depend solely on Pro Complex without having diet.
This is happen when people wanna show off. They didn't wanna understand why i'm creating this topic.
It's good if ken86 can share his stack of supplement rather than show off.

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Added on November 7, 2009, 6:28 pmI encounter many dumb statement like this. And yet their trying show off without having realize they are dumb.

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Added on November 7, 2009, 6:33 pmYeah i can see that you making tremendous EGO improvement.
I think in one week, surely you ego get bigger and strongger and you will reach egomaniac in no time.


This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 7 2009, 06:33 PM

Best supplement ever:

LYN H&F is already a flame warzone... In the end, if it works for you, gives you good progress, do it. Otherwise, scrap what you are doing and try something else that will give you results.

Seeing either overweight or scrawny peeps without any good progress after maybe a year or two at bodybuilding flame one another continuously because of some slight disagreement sickens and frightens people away. In the end its the results that matter, are you growing or not, are you achieving your goals? Not typing behind a screen. Things doesn't work the same for everyone, people have different genetics. If a person takes more supplements than real food and has progress, let him be, and vice versa.

Peace. Lift hard.

cool cool..nothing to fight about...

yup bro...i agreed Supplement meant to be used together with a well balanced diet and hardcore training routine....

chill

p/s : lift hard and dont give up!!!

This post has been edited by reddice: Nov 7 2009, 08:38 PM

I'm strongly agree with you.
I choose to staple supplementation in my program with proper training and diet. but there are people here who never try supplementation become arrogant and didn't accept the way I'm try to progress.

I don't know what went wrong to their attitude. I open this topic to find out the suitable supplementation, perhaps who ever use supplementation can share their experience and give some review so we don't have to listen to the marketing hype.
But these people (who never try supplementation) become fanatic to their diet only start bashing people who is using supplement like their way is the only way. They went crazy!!!

Now I'm applying coping skill number one: total avoidance.
They can continue to say nothing if they agree

1. I never said I don't take supplement.
2. You're being defensive.
3. You think you're 100% right.
4. I'm speechless.

seriously... aple_wannabe.....dont be too full of yourself...
read properly what arekey said.

These are the supplements that I took during weight cutting phase, and it works.

supplements : L-carnitine , Glutamine , Protein Shake.

I never rely on fat burners aka slimming pills.

This post has been edited by american bully: Nov 8 2009, 04:26 AM

Can you share the brand? much appriciated.

I am taking GNC Total Lean (fat burner) and GNC Total Lean Shake (meal replacement) for my weight loss plan...

Started on the 7 Oct and lost about 5kg til now, 3 times gym with cardio and weight training.

So far so good, but I am 7kgs off my target and i have set til end of this year.

Why all the GNC stuff??

Obviously the GNC sales person has convinced him.

5kg in a month...wow...

actually there just minor difference btw brand...just find the cheapest 1 lor..

Its nothing when you are using meal replacement powders which contain almost nothing of important use to the body!

i am 172 weight 83.5 before starting. but this week hanging at 77/76 damn hard to go down.

my gym session mainly is about 2hours. 1hr 15min cardio and the balance weight lifting(light)

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Added on November 9, 2009, 10:36 pmerr...i join GNC long time ago sumore its easier to get for me. anythong wrong with GNC other den exp ? lol

This post has been edited by c0c0nut: Nov 9 2009, 10:36 PM

Okay, gonna try L-Carnitine. Looks tempting

bro, what's your stats ?? bulking or cutting ??

I've done bulking. pack 10 kilo's
Now wanna get lean.

woot 10kg. nice gain.
what is the current weight? do post some pic before and after bulking.

Impressive. How long you took to achieve that?
Maybe I was trying to gain lean mass weight wasn't effective.

height ?? weight ?? any pictars would be great..

10 kilo??

peh..jeles aku...show us the picture bro..

and care to tell how long u bulk???

Current is 76kg
I take my latest pic during this weekend

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Added on November 13, 2009, 2:27 pm4 month. slow progress in fasting month.

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Added on November 13, 2009, 2:29 pmHeight = 178cm
Wieght = 76kg (now)
I take my pic during this weekend. will post it after.
Shy a bit coz i'm not lean yet.

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Added on November 13, 2009, 2:31 pm4 month. before this 65kg. now 76.
This is 5th month of my program. i statrted in july.
My target is 83kg. this time wanna do slow and lean.

This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 13 2009, 02:33 PM

Really need to show us your diet and workout program.
Maybe I was trying hard bulking in lean way never works.

Mine is nothing. only 10kg of weight.
you should read the ken86 style.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1224847

Sorry for the late replies.

As for a specfic glutamine supplement i recommend, as long as it's 100% pure glutamine it doesn't matter what brand you use.
I'm consuming on UN's glutamine.

Just like glutamine it doesn't matter what brand L-Carnitine you use as long as it is 100% pure L-Carnitine. So i personally recommend Optimum Nutrition's L-Carnitine due to its great value and high quality.

Protein shake...hmm

ON 100% GS whey protein.

This post has been edited by american bully: Nov 13 2009, 10:23 PM

Me Before

65KG

Me After



76 KG

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Added on November 15, 2009, 6:28 pmTQ Bro
I already but L-Carnitine brand Nutralife
TQ for you advice

This post has been edited by arekey: Nov 15 2009, 06:28 PM

post it at progress thread instead bro...nice progress btw...but can't see much, the pictures too blur...