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 Lets talk salary!, What is the industry rate, we must unite

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schizophrenic
post Oct 11 2005, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(cysun @ Oct 10 2005, 11:55 PM)
Oh then you should read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" also...

I think you're on the right track kuah, coz many ppl told me, the rule of thumb is that a person should have 18 months salary put away as pure savings (meaning no touch, for emergency + rainy days only). THEN, whateever extra on top of that, can invest - property for low risk and shares for higher risk to have a balanced portfolio.

balance doesn't mean 50%-50%. For young folks, can afford more risk. Older folks nearer to retirement would be almost 95% in low risk aledi.

aiyoh...  blush.gif i know all this but but but... i never practise oso...  tongue.gif . btw i hv not read Robert's book yet... hahaha... my mother sure  vmad.gif me wan ...  cry.gif
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haha actually i never even touched the book rich dad poor dad

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post Oct 11 2005, 12:27 PM

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Job Title : Sales Representative
Job Desciption : Selling electrical goods
Company : TBM
Industry : Sales & Marketing
Tenur : 6yr +
Employment Level : Senior
Experience before joining : student
salary : RM 5000-RM7000
Duration with current company: 6yr
Education Lvl: Diploma in IT
Certificate: No

Remark: eh very long working period from 10am - 10pm.... company still need vacancy..... intersting pm me....tq
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My friend is looking for a job as sales. A lady with a diploma in marketing, previously she worked in a company which sell educational books to kindergarden. Is she qualify for this job?
groundnut
post Oct 11 2005, 03:02 PM

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Read so many post. I think the market price for designers is the worst. Why designers wont get good pay like other industries? We are also degree holders but see our salary can cry.....
monkeykong
post Oct 12 2005, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(groundnut @ Oct 11 2005, 03:02 PM)
Read so many post. I think the market price for designers is the worst. Why designers wont get good pay like other industries? We are also degree holders but see our salary can cry.....
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could this be because there are so many designers, they all try to price cut each other. client also not design savvy, just go with the cheap one to save costs, while compromising quality?

imho, the way to better earnings, is by adding value to the basic skill. eg, a qualified designer who also understands brand building, or can also conceptualise, or can also proof read copy, etc etc


schizophrenic
post Oct 13 2005, 01:43 AM

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I think being a designer you would have to look at things at a few perspectives.

based on the assumption that you are a freelance designer
- Does he want something you have to offer?(This is generally where designers go seeking potential clients, or clients, or competitors testing the market with no clear intention for contractual obligation)
- What is your client's budget and expectation of a design?
- Are you well known? You must understand that generally clients are not design savvy and wouldnt know if you are well known within designers circle. You must be well known beyond that.
- Your Charms. (This is a very important trait as sometimes the client would give you the job even if you are not what he expect)

based on the assumption that you are seeking employment.
- What are your experiences? (This plays a major role as they would probably want to see your portfolio unless you're so famous)
- What do you expect for a salary?
- What is your demand level in the market(how much competitors would want to hire you)
- Do you satisfy their criteria?(Very general)
- Your potential being in the firm for a long period of time or a short one.(Some firms prefer short ones as the cost of hiring you would be exponential if lets say you stay there til you retire in 30 years for a young designer*highly unlikely but occasionally happens provided the firm last that long*)
- The cost/benefit ratio(Normally, the employers who personally interviewed you would calculate this)


Finally your expectations as a designer
- What do you want as a basic salary?
- What are the increments like?
- What are the remunerations like?
- Would the company be able to help you gain enough experiences for your future undertaking?(Applies for young designers)
- How is the work load? (Some company pays you well but the workload is.....*speechless*)


above are generally it. There might specifically be more to the general criteria but I shall leave it for you guys/gals to figure out. smile.gif

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post Oct 13 2005, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(monkeykong @ Oct 12 2005, 10:53 PM)
could this be because there are so many designers, they all try to price cut each other. client also not design savvy, just go with the cheap one to save costs, while compromising quality?

imho, the way to better earnings, is by adding value to the basic skill. eg, a qualified designer who also understands brand building, or can also conceptualise, or can also proof read copy, etc etc
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Most designers go in field and boss will said. " You are fresh, your designs are still fresh. Yes though these bunch of fresh grad dun have the chance to prove that they have the skills in concept, brand building, and copy. Errr if i have no mistaken tose skill i mention is done by the Art Director or your manager. Designers do designers job. Sitting infront computer do visuals and FA. huhu..
Do what they tell you to do and finsih in time.

If there is some undergraduate designers out there, don't just learn design or graphic design.. tose are granted skills for designers. Learn business, economics, marketing and so on that benefits you on your future. Undergraduate designers please remember, the market price for a fresh graduate is not high. It is out of what you expected. Not to low down fresh designers morality but this is the truth. Gain experience is what a fresh grad can do now. Learn more. Have Fun... designers... thumbup.gif
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post Oct 13 2005, 07:27 PM

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Hi, everyone. I am a uni student currently studying engineering. But I am stil wondering whether to take mechatronics or E&E. I am more interested in the job prospect (eg. salary, demand...) and wat kind of work i will be doing if i take tat course.

Anyone, please voice ur valueable opinion.
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post Oct 13 2005, 07:48 PM

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Industry : recruitment
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Experience before joining : 3 years and not really- industry relevance
salary : RM so underpaid!!!!!

what i learnt is that, usually for a jump from a co. to another it is usually about 20% to 30% increment of your present salary



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post Oct 14 2005, 11:44 AM

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hop from a co. to another co. might not get increase in salary. for me it depends on your working experience.

yet jumping from co. to another co. is not a good idea. It will scratch your working experience background. Dont think that your boss wont get to know. Because your working background will show when your boss bank in the EPF. unless you dun wan your EPF la.


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post Oct 14 2005, 04:03 PM

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Job Title : Programmer
Job Desciption & Responsibilities: Do codings and design sys workflows (AS400)
Company : Local IT Company
Industry : Banking/Insurance
Tenure : Permanant
Employment Level : Junior SW Engineer nia
Experience before joining : Nil
Duration with current company: 6mths (probation) + 8mths (comfirmed)
Education Lvl: B.Sc Comp Science
Salary : 2K
monkeykong
post Oct 15 2005, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(groundnut @ Oct 14 2005, 11:44 AM)
Because your working background will show when your boss bank in the EPF. unless you dun wan your EPF la.
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can the boss really see our previous companies employed at and previous salary too when they do the EPF?

i tot that info, especially the salary part is private?

monkeyk



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post Oct 15 2005, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(dec12 @ Oct 14 2005, 04:03 PM)
Job Title : Programmer
Job Desciption & Responsibilities: Do codings and design sys workflows (AS400)
Company : Local IT Company
Industry : Banking/Insurance
Tenure : Permanant
Employment Level : Junior SW Engineer nia
Experience before joining : Nil
Duration with current company: 6mths (probation) + 8mths (comfirmed)
Education Lvl: B.Sc Comp Science
Salary : 2K
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No offense smile.gif
For an AS400 programmer only 2K? I thought should be higher, even if it's a local company.
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post Oct 15 2005, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(monkeykong @ Oct 15 2005, 04:01 PM)
can the boss really see our previous companies employed at and previous salary too when they do the EPF?

i tot that info, especially the salary part is private?

monkeyk
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The boss cannot check it
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mner
post Oct 16 2005, 10:04 AM

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Experience before joining : 2 Years
Salary : RM3K++
mner
post Oct 16 2005, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(dec12 @ Oct 14 2005, 04:03 PM)
Job Title : Programmer
Job Desciption & Responsibilities: Do codings and design sys workflows (AS400)
Company : Local IT Company
Industry : Banking/Insurance
Tenure : Permanant
Employment Level : Junior SW Engineer nia
Experience before joining : Nil
Duration with current company: 6mths (probation) + 8mths (comfirmed)
Education Lvl: B.Sc Comp Science
Salary : 2K
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Hi,

ACS is hiring people for IBM mainframe for their ITO department, and they pay well. I'm sure you can get more than 3k smile.gif

Cheers

mner
post Oct 16 2005, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Computer^freak @ Oct 6 2005, 11:20 AM)
Woah, most people doing IT and engineering !!  biggrin.gif

Would like to know some people from finance,acc and aud.

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What do you want to know about finance and account?

If you manage to get in to top 5 firms like accenture, KPMG, PWTC.......the pay for fresh grad is 2K+. If you work in local company, most probably you get less than 2k, I heard from my friend who work in sarawak who get less than 1k as a fresh grad.

What else you like to know? smile.gif
schizophrenic
post Oct 16 2005, 05:55 PM

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i intend to work in accenture as a management consultant
initial pay bout 3.5k provided u can get in
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post Oct 16 2005, 06:17 PM

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Job Desciption & Responsibilities: server vendor - hardware support, included i/o devices
Tenur : Permanant in employer side, but contract under the vendor(headcount status). confuse huh?
Employment Level : unknow wat status
Experience before joining : Nil
Duration with current company: 1 year ++
Education Lvl: degree, ccna & mcp
Salary : 1900++, plus OT & mileage claims (mileage claims quite gao, cos onsite support, traveling around everyday)(OT depands but definitely more than 500 bucks can even more than 1k or more, if hardworking but have to on shift 24x7 stand by)
average can get more than 3.5 per month included all above

but dun see any future or prospect except income is consider high for current experiece

wat you guy think huh?




schizophrenic
post Oct 16 2005, 06:21 PM

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gain more experience while looking for another job
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the longer your experience, the higher you could demand for your initial salary from a new company of course to a certain extent. smile.gif

thats based on my experience

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Oct 16 2005, 06:21 PM)
gain more experience while looking for another job
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the longer your experience, the higher you could demand for your initial salary from a new company of course to a certain extent. smile.gif

thats based on my experience
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well, other company did offered with higher basic, 2.3k and they doesn't mind that i learn start from 0 but i rejected due to no OT claims. income suddenly drop damn much if stay in current 1 can easily get more than 4k included all claims, no prospect due the the thing i handle is vendor's proprietary product, onli multinational or banking and insurance company using it) now keep on trying lookin for networking position but hard since no exp in networking

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