Yea. I mean students will tend to only aim their target for exam rather than the knowledge itself and some of them may just blindly memorize the fact in order to answer the essay questions but do not really understand.

Sorry, for did not saw the "SAQ/LAQ" mentioned by csrulez.

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Jan 17 2010, 08:17 PM

From what i've observed so far, those who blindly memorize w/o understanding the concept will not do well for SAQ/LAQs.

The point of having SAQ/LAQs is to have students writting out what he/she understands about the topics in very a systematic method. Which if one does not understood the topic well, they won't be able to score in the paper. SAQ/LAQs do not require you to only list out the points but to explain in detail (in your own words, of course).

Personally i feel, a good exam paper should have an equal blend of MCQs, SAQs and also LAQs. It's ridiculous to only sit for 'ABCDE' questions for your final examinations, which if they do not know the answer, could always resolve to guessing.

u all good lar...jadi doc
salary sure high! i envy

to me i think a combination of MCQ's SAQ's and PBQ's for the final exam is da best..

honestly if all the question are MCQ's...students cn get high score easily..all that they need is juz some luck...

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Added on January 18, 2010, 7:33 amnot all lar..it takes years and years to achieve dat kind of salary...
it doesnt happen with docs in the gov hospitals...private yes..




This post has been edited by yana89: Jan 18 2010, 07:33 AM

MBBS Siang

You previously mentioned about Zhejiang University and studying medicine there. And what's wrong with the university? From recent post, I've heard that you are currently studying in Cyberjaya College of Medical sciences.

What's with the change Cybercaya to study medicine since your post previously saying that you might go to Zhejiang University to further study MBBS?

I'm planning to study in Zhejiang Uni and are trying to find feedbacks. ANYBODY who are in Zhejiang Uni or knows about Zhejiang Uni MBBS english medium please pour it out! Hope your opinion helps!

So far i've not heard anyone coming back with an MBBS from China, maybe there're just too few of them here in the hosps. Is their degree even recognised?

according to the list in page 1, I can't find any Us in china recognized =/

anybody considering hong kong for medic? it's recognised at the very least, and it's supposedly the top uni in asia if you are to compare it to china. plus medium in english as well so.. heehee.

you will have a higher chance to getting into ipta, or uk/oz, than getting into hku......for the same results.....

Regarding about IPTA, for pursuing medicine, i dare say that you must get 4.0 only you have a chance. Well 4.0 doesn't guarantee you 100% a place in IPTA too,if you are non bumi. There are quota and some shit like that.

limeuu, yes but sad to say $$ is a factor. Many could not afford to enter uk/oz for medicine due to $$, cost of living etc.

yup, that's true. hk is relatively much more affordable. plus the pool of applicants for hku medic is generally very small compared to that of uk (although admittedly, they are very stingy on the intake). but malaysians have the upperhand as there are a lot of Canto-speaking Msians around and they do favour that in admission. So whilst you get people from US, Asia and all over applying to UK medical schools, there aren't as many applying to HK, mostly deterred by the Canto part and the low intake. anyway, i'm just saying that it's worth a try esp since the non-locals they've taken in so far are mostly malaysians. so basically, chances are, you'll end up just having to compete with ur fellow malaysian buddies for a place. almost like IPTA minus the bumi quota.

Are you sure that HK intake are not that popular among other countries? And do you mind sending the link for HK uni? Does Malaysia recognise HK medicine? and HK med is in english is it?

I'm not from KL or from canto speaking state, so which position am I in now? Can i still apply and get place there? >.<

Haha and IPTA medicine, you are no hope to get it if you get less than 4.0.

HK uni will even harder to enter than IPTA with the same result. It is highly competitive.

You sure do not understand what limeuu was trying to convey. HKU is far more competitive compared to unis in Oz/UK or even IPTA, the entry requirement is far greater than unis in oz/uk. Which means that, getting into HKU is much tougher compared to entering into medical schools in oz/uk with the same result.

This post has been edited by csrulez: Jan 19 2010, 06:23 PM

very true. I have a few HK friends and they are saying the same thing. fishnetwenyi any particular reason you're opting for HKU? =/

I was referring to HKU medic and its applicants. It's partly because of the low intake and partly because you are expected to at least understand some basic cantonese to be able to adapt to the working and studying environment in HK that deters the applications so as a result, the competition is quantitatively less for those who apply despite the low intake if you compare it to say, NUS.

the main uni website: http://www.hku.hk/ . undergrad application website: http://www.hku.hk/admission/ug.htm

yes, malaysia recognises HKU medic.

There were non-fluent canto speakers who applied and got the interview for medic. the interviews are in english and they might ask you to answer 1 question (eg. introduce yourself) in canto just to test your level of canto a bit, but you are not required to produce a Chinese exam result or anything like that so it's generally not that important a requirement. plus there are hk students who grew up abroad, got into the course, and aren't too fluent in canto either so your position shouldn't be that bad. unless all the other applicants you're competing with have perfect canto and perfect qualifications.

Apply, yes; getting a place, not for me to decide.

Perhaps that may be true but there were students with relatively moderate GPAs and A-level results (compared to the >3.5s and straight As in A-levels that are aplenty) that got the interview, though not the offer so I won't say that it's completely hopeless. You might get moderate results but still get a shot to impress during the interviews but you're right in the sense where because there's only a few spots available for non-locals, naturally, they go for the best results + best qualifications combo so in that sense, it might be more competitive than IPTA. speaking of which, i thought those who get 4.0s or equivalent actually get JPA scholarships to study overseas? O_o i heard of someone who got JPA to study medic in London from his outstanding STPM results.

i'm already studying in HKU. i'm just curious to see if there're any potential applicants here as there has been some juniors asking me abt studying here and it's also sort of partly my job as student ambassador to promote the course and uni a little especially since not many malaysians seem to understand what hku or the course is like here. back home, ppl kept asking me 'why HKU', 'why not UK or Australia or India or Russia' and questions like, 'is the course in Canto?' and all that. i knew a lot of ppl who gave me the impression that UK, Aussie, India and Russia are the best places to study medicine and anywhere else is just plain weird. =[

also, the application procedure for medic in HKU especially is pretty mind-boggling. so i thought it'll be helpful to show up in this forum in case anybody needs help with their applications (though i can't guarantee that i'll be available to help 24/7!!!!).

more info abt medic in hk in general: http://hkmed.blogspot.com/
medic in HKU in particular: http://hkmed.blogspot.com/2009/02/hku-medi...admissions.html

*clarification: for the Non-Jupas/International intake in the latter link, they stated 40 places but that includes majority of the HKID holders from abroad. Non-HKID internationals (including most Msians) applying for HKU medic would probably get a quota of 2-3 students per intake (though they say they'll be increasing the numbers).

I am in Russia. The popular 3 Choices would be

Moscow Medical Academy I M Sechenov
Pros: The russian batch of students are quality students provided that its not the clubbing party type. Malaysian students go there because of false assumption of its the 2nd ranking medical university in the world. "Perhaps it can be, but If so its for the russian medium"
Cons: Wake up at 5am daily travel around metro, buses. High cost of living "after tokyo". Hostel management is a mess. U are not guarenteed to stay back in the same hostel each year. Students studying here have the worst russian. "I know they think the language is unimportant after u graduate but oh well" and skinhead/beaten up problems are the most frequent compared to other places.

Moscow is another country - general consensus of russians.

Nizhny Novgorod State Medical Academy - I am here so I can further elaborate
Pros: lovely. Serene and conducive for study. Hostel is like hotel and its reasonably priced "even though rises each year at rate of USD 350 - USD 700 annually". You can earn single room as you become a senior. In moscow and volgograd its 3 per room. Not that crowded, russians here are not as fancy and as fashion as in moscow.
Not expensive. Teachers mostly are good, become even better and have very good english as you go through to clinical years. Even Some are sent to malaysia to teach, for example my anatomy teacher "a neurosurgeon". Physiology teacher is researching on nerve stem cells and if she succeeds, nobel prize awaits her for alzheimer/Parkinson's disease. Her lab is awesome.
Cons: coldest amongst all choices. 400km Northeast of Moscow, when moscow is at 0 degrees here is -10 to -15. But ppl adapt well. so it shouldnt be a problem I have no regrets coming here!

Volgograd State Medical University
Pros: Russians here are the most friendly. Formerly known as stalingrad, city is cleaner than moscow. Students here study very well too. But boring life. Not much to see. In nizhny we get to nearby city Kazan, or a train 5 hours to moscow during winter break.
Cons: Strict hostel rules. Be a guai kia here or u get warnings. Far from Moscow. 4th year onwards you have to study your clinical years in full Russian. Russian speaking here is generally the best because of this.

u can choose Kursk or RSMU too - but not very favourable as both conducts in Full Rus at clinical years and I never heard much of them.

All in all, doesnt matter where you study, its YOURSELF that study for your own knowledge and to serve the community. Its not like primary school where you have tuition and teachers spoon fed you. With that mentality you never get far no matter where you placed at - be it PMC ireland or Monash Aus. and most important of all, he must have self discipline.

Thats a public general opinion. It is very unfair and biased. Because they are private students and may not study well. Party life is there. But it accounts only for 35% of the students who mix with Africans n Mauritius people. Take the recent JPA batches that just graduate, and the students here are better.
and FYI, had the government provide more quota to Chinese ppl, and not to feed bumis so much, We wont have this problem n also braindrain. and not all parents are businessman/CEO, they are really trying to make ends meet and sending their children even to Russia is considered a blessing. Afterall if the children is a disciplined obedient one, he can be among the creme de la creme with english irish contemporaries.
On and off, Mara students here lead a luxurious lifestyle. USD 500 a month, buy this jacket and that jacket and etc. This is how the bumi spend their money - our parents income tax money. on top of all, they dont need to serve government if they pay a minimal lumpsum of 50k RM after graduate.


IMO This person should not become a doctor in the first place.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Jan 21 2010, 02:39 AM

one of the problem with russia is their admission policy.......they do NOT select the best, msians studying there range from very good students to very lousy students who should have never been admitted........

the same problem exist to a lesser degree in local ipts........

that's what happens when you commercialise education........you select based on ability to pay more than ability itself.........

I am currently studying matriculation and am I eligible to apply for HKU? can you give me your e-mail as I want to know further about this if possible =]

During your badge, How many Malaysians did apply for MBBS in HKU, how many gotten the interview and finally, how many got the place to study MBBS there?

Besides UK, aussie, india, russia etc, i think China is comming up what do you think? I had asked someone who's studying there, and they say the facilities are very good and that during thier third year, there are lecturers from the US teaching them, so I think that China shold be considered by MMC.

I was just wondering why MMC recognises country such as UAE, Egypt etc, but Singapore doesn't? And why Singapore recognises China but Malaysia doesnt? Isn't that so politically motivated?

Well, it's a fact that you can't change. This is M'sia, where politic rules everything, which sadly includes the recognition of medical schools. In fact, nothing is fair here if you were to talk about medical educations.

It's a very sad truth to know about. I personally think Singapore has a much more efficient MOH than we do, at least they take into account the quality of doctors very seriously. They also understand very well the circumstances of hiring the not-up-to-par doctors to fill up their shortages.