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eliselam
post Feb 8 2012, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Feb 8 2012, 08:17 PM)
Unless it's specifically stated that fees are "fixed", one can painfully assume that it will increase, and make for that adjustment in the spreadsheet!  sweat.gif
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Hehe, that is what my mum feeling too. Sweat! Just hope no drastic increase.

Is your son going to Australia or UK uni for medicine?
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post Feb 8 2012, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(eliselam @ Feb 8 2012, 08:30 PM)
Hehe, that is what my mum feeling too. Sweat! Just hope no drastic increase.

Is your son going to Australia or UK uni for medicine?
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Will not be that drastic I reckon, although with Australia's decreasing number of undergraduate places and exorbitant fees, demand for UK places may increase, and when demand exceeds supply, the inevitable happens.
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post Feb 8 2012, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Feb 8 2012, 08:17 PM)
Unless it's specifically stated that fees are "fixed", one can painfully assume that it will increase, and make for that adjustment in the spreadsheet!  sweat.gif
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As long as PM Cameron still in power, internationals can rest assured as he has stated that internationals should not be asked to pay more. Thus local fees have increased.
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post Feb 8 2012, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 8 2012, 08:40 PM)
As long as PM Cameron still in power, internationals can rest assured as he has stated that internationals should not be asked to pay more. Thus local fees have increased.
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Unless there's spillover demand from Australia...


This post has been edited by podrunner: Feb 8 2012, 08:59 PM
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post Feb 8 2012, 09:53 PM

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each med schools is tied to a local health trust/authority.....and graduates will normally apply and be accepted into the region's health trust, and rotated through the nhs hospitals within that trust.....it thus does not matter really, which med school you graduate from....the majority of new doctors do not compete with graduates from other areas....

however, beyond fy2, entering the ct/st years, your references (from the fy years), intercalated degrees, papers presented/published, and having honours will determine your chances....and potentially, which uni you go to may have some bearing...but minimal.....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 8 2012, 09:53 PM)
each med schools is tied to a local health trust/authority.....and graduates will normally apply and be accepted into the region's health trust, and rotated through the nhs hospitals within that trust.....it thus does not matter really, which med school you graduate from....the majority of new doctors do not compete with graduates from other areas....

however, beyond fy2, entering the ct/st years, your references (from the fy years), intercalated degrees, papers presented/published, and having honours will determine your chances....and potentially, which uni you go to may have some bearing...but minimal.....
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Reckon that the diff could be something between UM and Unimas. I don't expect it to be like Monash/Imu and those of mahsa/segi.
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the best judge of the quality of a med school is by the quality of students it attracts and eventually selects....

in that respect, all the uk med schools will want aaa for entry...so there isn't a lot of difference....(which is not saying much, as 25% of students gets aaa anyway, ,and they use ukcat/bmat and interview/personal statements to differential)........
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 8 2012, 11:11 PM)
the best judge of the quality of a med school is by the quality of students it attracts and eventually selects....

in that respect, all the uk med schools will want aaa for entry...so there isn't a lot of difference....(which is not saying much, as 25% of students gets aaa anyway, ,and they use ukcat/bmat and interview/personal statements to differential)........
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This may be of help to potential students going to UK for med, as they can apply to less competitive med schools which are relatively much cheaper with not much difference in quality. As it is now, applicants are only given 4 choices and if you include Oxbridge, the odds are that you will have only two remaining choices to stake a place.

But with so many straight As students, ALL would want to go for the best and this is one factor that needs to be carefully considered if one wants a uk qualification ( I am assuming that all med schools have the basic facilities and are research oriented)
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 9 2012, 08:56 AM)
This may be of help to potential students going to UK for med, as they can apply to less competitive med schools which are relatively much cheaper with not much difference in quality. As it is now, applicants are only given 4 choices and if you include Oxbridge, the odds are that you will have only two remaining choices to stake a place.

But with so many straight As students, ALL would want to go for the best and this is one factor that needs to be carefully considered if one wants a uk qualification ( I am assuming that all med schools have the basic facilities and are research oriented)
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Grades + UKCAT/BMAT + Personal Statement , then Interview assessment ( if offered one)

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post Feb 9 2012, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 9 2012, 08:56 AM)
As it is now, applicants are only given 4 choices and if you include Oxbridge, the odds are that you will have only two remaining choices to stake a place.

But with so many straight As students, ALL would want to go for the best and this is one factor that needs to be carefully considered if one wants a uk qualification ( I am assuming that all med schools have the basic facilities and are research oriented)
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You can either apply to Cambridge OR Oxford in one cycle, not to both at once smile.gif

Teaching styles should also play a factor in deciding which medical school to apply to too. Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow are now fully PBL while Oxbridge and St. Andrews are still following the traditional method. The others have integrated these 2 teaching styles as they see fit.

Also the courses at Oxbridge, St. Andrew's, ICL and UCL are six years whereas the rest of the medical schools offer a five year course.

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QUOTE(Kaylain @ Feb 9 2012, 09:47 AM)
You can either apply to Cambridge OR Oxford in one cycle, not to both at once smile.gif

Teaching styles should also play a factor in deciding which medical school to apply to too. Liverpool, Manchester and Glasgow are now fully PBL while Oxbridge and St. Andrews are still following the traditional method. The others have integrated these 2 teaching styles as they see fit.

Also the courses at Oxbridge, St. Andrew's, ICL and UCL are six years whereas the rest of the medical schools offer a five year course.
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Any idea of which universities outside the Russell Group are popular for intending Malaysian students?
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post Feb 9 2012, 11:11 AM

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Any idea of which universities outside the Russell Group are popular for intending Malaysian students?
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There aren't many universities outside the Russell Group that offer medicine. Those that I know of are University of East Anglia, University, Keele University, University of St. Andrews, Peninsula College of Medicine and Dentistry (Partnership between Exeter and Plymouth) And Hull-York Medical School

Not sure which ones would be popular among Malaysian students as if they are diligent in their research they should be able to determine which universities they should apply to to give them a better chance of an offer.Each university has different requirements on the afore-mentioned criteria so therefore students should definitely play to their strengths smile.gif
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post Feb 9 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Kaylain @ Feb 9 2012, 11:11 AM)
There aren't many universities outside the Russell Group that offer medicine. Those that I know of are University of East Anglia, University, Keele University, University of St. Andrews, Peninsula College of Medicine and Dentistry (Partnership between Exeter and Plymouth) And Hull-York Medical School

Not sure which ones would be popular among Malaysian students as if they are diligent in their research they should be able to determine which universities they should apply to to give them a better chance of an offer.Each university has different requirements on the afore-mentioned criteria so therefore students should definitely play to their strengths smile.gif
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Some medical schools eg. Norwich, Hull and York, Pennisula are not recognised by SMC.

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QUOTE(Kaylain @ Feb 9 2012, 11:11 AM)
There aren't many universities outside the Russell Group that offer medicine. Those that I know of are University of East Anglia, University, Keele University, University of St. Andrews, Peninsula College of Medicine and Dentistry (Partnership between Exeter and Plymouth) And Hull-York Medical School

Not sure which ones would be popular among Malaysian students as if they are diligent in their research they should be able to determine which universities they should apply to to give them a better chance of an offer.Each university has different requirements on the afore-mentioned criteria so therefore students should definitely play to their strengths smile.gif
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Russell has 20 and add those that you named; not that many though. Malaysia has 20+ and is still counting.......as we are seeing an oversupply of docs in the near future and when gomen put a freeze, we could put those capacity to "foreign" students who are in need of med education. This goes well with our current promotion of medical tourism in this country.

It would be interesting to see how the current issue of unemployed nurses are being resolved.


Added on February 9, 2012, 11:46 am
QUOTE(eliselam @ Feb 9 2012, 11:43 AM)
Some medical schools eg. Norwich, Hull and York, Pennisula are not recognised by SMC.
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Thanks for this update.

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post Feb 9 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 9 2012, 11:45 AM)
Russell has 20 and add those that you named; not that many though. Malaysia has 20+ and is still counting.......as we are seeing an oversupply of docs in the near future and when gomen put a freeze, we could put those capacity to "foreign" students who are in need of med education. This goes well with our current promotion of medical tourism in this country.

It would be interesting to see how the current issue of unemployed nurses are being resolved.


Added on February 9, 2012, 11:46 am

Thanks for this update.
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You are welcome. An "easier" school might be Queen Belfast which is recognised by SMC and regularly appear in UCAS extra for international students.
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QUOTE(eliselam @ Feb 9 2012, 11:57 AM)
You are welcome. An "easier" school might be Queen Belfast which is recognised by SMC and regularly appear in UCAS extra for international students.
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Is it true that Irish med schools which were very popular previously is no longer the case now. Is it a fact or just a myth?
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post Feb 9 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 9 2012, 01:57 PM)
Is it true that Irish med schools which were very popular previously is no longer the case now. Is it a fact or just a myth?
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not sure about the popularity of Irish med schools, but queen belfast is in Northern Ireland, part of UK.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 9 2012, 01:57 PM)
Is it true that Irish med schools which were very popular previously is no longer the case now. Is it a fact or just a myth?
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Do take note that Irish unis are also no longer guaranteeing internships for medical graduates.
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post Feb 9 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(confirm @ Feb 8 2012, 05:26 PM)
Aberdeen is charging 24.5k pound per year for 5years effective 2012/13 year for international students.No differentiation between preclinical and clinical.
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Uncle Google couldn't help me to locate this info..

Could you kindly provide its link please ? tongue.gif

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Uncle Google couldn't help me to locate this info..

Could you kindly provide its link please ? tongue.gif
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Must feed Google right words!

http://www.abdn.ac.uk/documents/medicine-international.pdf

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