--This is not an MLM promotion thread. I heard about this "business" from someone I know and I would like some input from forummers here on whether this business model is legit, or it's just another one of those concealed Ponzi-Pyramid schemes.--

Today while at dinner with a few people I know, I came upon a discussion for something called Score-A by a company called Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd.

Resource:
1. http://www.score-a.com.my/
2. http://www.skor-a.com.my/
3. http://www.kenshido.com/

From what I understand by the explanations I got, it seems like a destined-to-collapse pyramid scheme to me. I'll try explaining it here. Any information on this "business" would be very much appreciated.

**Again, this is NOT a promotion for an MLM/Pyramid/Ponzi business**

The Product
Okay so from what I understand, Kenshido has developed a online education program. Basically what this program does is that, you have an account with Score-A and you can log in to do question papers for subjects thought in schools. It's just like how people used to do questions on revision books, but it's online. Also this web application has a number of features, it does grading for the online exams, sends the scores to the child's parents via SMS and so on.

In my opinion, this online exam thing is nothing beyond what an ordinary Multimedia University (MMU) student from the Faculty of Information Technology (FIT) can do for their Final Year Projects.

Kenshido makes money, I guess, through the subscription fee which you have to pay for the Score-A account, which is insanely expensive.

The Business
Alright, now for the business part which is the fishy part.

Normally when a legit company creates this kind of software with the legit intention to improve education while making some profit from it, the company would try to engage the government, schools, tuition centres and parents. They would also sell CDs and DVDs for the account and other apps through prominent bookstores like Popular, MPH and Kinokunia.

However, this Kenshido seems to have taken what I think is an MLM approach for distributing and selling it's Score-A product. As I understand it, this is how it works:

*quick notes:
Kenshido calls what we know as web accounts as "Portals"
Kenshido calls what we know as account subscription extension as "Top Up"
Figures such as prices are rough figures, I can't remember the exact amount.
Error on my part is +/- RM50 for all except profit calculation where error is +/- RM300

- You invest about RM1780.00 in a 5-account pack of Score-A
- You find 5 people to sell these accounts to for about RM620.00 each, which gives the buyer 6-months validity (only!!)
- If you manage to sell all 5, your profit would be: Profit = Revenue - Cost = (RM620.00 x 5) - RM1780 = RM1320
- After 6-months, the buyer will have to buy an extension, which is another RM200++ (yeah... not joking)
- When your buyers pay to extend, you earn commission

Additionally, you can recruit other sellers too, who like you will buy 5-account packs and resell it to others, and you earn commission too when they buy the 5-account packs (I think... not so sure also). And then each of your recruited sellers will recruit more sellers and the pyramid grows la... Apparently the target is to get 14 "generation" or layers of recruits under you, which will apparently help you earn RM1192.00 per day.

The Fishy-ness
1. The pyramid keeps growing at a rapid rate. Not only do you need more sellers, each of these sellers need to sell the accounts to other users (parents of school-children).

2. Since the product is an e-learning, online examination thing, access to computer WITH internet connection is vital. The number of households in Malaysia with school-going children which has a computer with internet connection and parents who are tech-aware is very small compared to the population. Basically, the pie isn't very big, just look at Malaysia's broadband penetration rate, and subtract out all families without school-going children and all families who can't afford about RM800/year on a bunch of online test papers, which you can get in print for like RM12 from Popular.

3. The pricing of the product itself is extremely high for such a simple application. It's unjustifiable for most middle-to-low-income parents to fork out hundreds of Ringgit just for a system that puts exam questions online and lets parents see the results of the child's performance through SMS and other means. It's much better to just buy a few exam question books from Popular Bookstore and let the child do it and mark the questions once the child is done. Also doing it on paper allows for better simulation of a real exam, rather than clicking answers on a screen.

4. For a company that is trying to promote their product in a genuine way, I don't see why they need to resort to MLM methods to promote their product. MLM methods serves only to tarnish the brand name of the product and company.

The Question
Does anybody here have any experiences with Skor-A or Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd.? Please do share your knowledge here.

Also, anyone know how to verify if this is a legit business? I see MLM schemes becoming more and more sophisticated nowadays, I don't know if the current Malaysian laws are keeping up with this.

This post has been edited by DeniseLau: Jul 25 2009, 03:39 PM

If you're not a good salesman, even if the program/product is the best in the world, you'll still fail to sell.

So just look at the value of the product, against the current market product. This will allow you to gauge the marketability of its said products/services. If its weak, then its only relying solely on membership recruitment.

One of our regulars is in this business.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=833988&hl=

recently I had been introduced with this scheme as well, presentation is

pretty convincing but again same old trick with similar concept. Its just that

it is a systematic e-learning tool which is then abused by business

opportunities elements to make money.

for me , this is good opportunity for our child in preparing their education future and examination

please dont judge this programme from MLM point of view . you can register as a user ...to let your child learn with smart learning, not hard learning

ya , for me , this programme has no competitor ...trust me ...

at first , i'm also felt something else on this programme ..but after i heard briefing after briefing on how Kenshido doing their research and test it on several child as their subject , then i understand how scorea.com works .

for me , it is good program for our child

try not judge it from MLM scheme point of view...just think for your child and you want them to pass exam in this "examination country"

i love to share this programme to my colleague or some family who want see their child to be success in their study ...and i will never ever influence them to join the network marketing unless they are really interested to do the marketing with other prospect/colleagues

can you imagine , 598 ringgit for 6 month and just top-up 248 ringgit for next 3 months ..? And just add 50 ringgit for lifetime , if you had more than 2 child ?

i'm pretty sure , those tuition school will be "gulung tikar" if this new smart e-learning already circulated among student in whole Malaysia ..huhu..i can't imagine how it's gonna be if this programme going to boom around Malaysia

Actually, there is nothing fishy about it.

1. Just like everything else, you need more ppl to buy to sustain the market. the more you sell, the more you earn.

2. Nowadays, those family without computers is losing out. Everything is about IT age, and i think almost all families in cities will have at least a computer at home with connectivity. Primary schools are already using PCs in labs and classrooms. Government has plans by next year 2010, all schools will be converted to smart schools (with PCs as a learning tool). E-learning is the way forward.

3. The pricing is actually very affordable. Lets say you have 2 kids. You buy the starter package for RM596 for 2 kids for 6 months. Each kid costs only RM 298 for 6 months. Divide that again by 6, each kid is only paying RM 49.60. Divide that by average of 6 subjects, each subject costs you RM 8.30. Isn't that cheap? And when you top up after that 6 months, you pay RM 248 for the 2 kids for 3 months. Do the maths, and you'll see it gets cheaper. Imagine if you have 3 or 4 kids. Thats like RM 20-25 per month.
Also your point of being unjustifiable for the cost, well, that is pretty subjective. Some ppl see the value the service offers to them, some don't.

4. Imagine you have a great product but do not have the market yet. How do you capture the market? Not all MLMs are bad or scams. There are some ppl making money out of it, but of course there are those who failed as well. Those who failed gave up, cos i think they thought since this is MLM, you get to get rich quick. Sorry man, just like any other business, one has to work had for it.

Well, Kenshido has gotten the Direct Selling license from the government, so i think we can safely say it is legit.

What i can say about this is that it is a good programme. Dont think about the MLM part. Just see whether you think that the product is sellable for you or not. Me personally, i am in a different field now. Heard my downline is moving kinda fast but i don bother anyway. If your're interested, I can recommend my friend to u

I don't think this is good programme. A lot of peoples go in just to earn money. How many of them care about the goodness of the system?
I personally think study book is better than looking at the computer.
It might be attract the kids to learn at the first place, how long can it last?
To me, I rather not to spend money on this system, too expensive due to MLM binary system. It turns to money game.

Those who join the system said it being promoted by our minister... blar blar... supported by our deputy PM lar.... those things benefit those politician, they sure will support. I don't want to talk in details. Just to note here, our education system has been changing so many times without solid reason. Not sure did u know the history subject also being modified I don't trust this at all...

[quote=kevler,Aug 3 2009, 11:33 PM]
for me , this is good opportunity for our child in preparing their education future and examination

please dont judge this programme from MLM point of view . you can register as a user ...to let your child learn with smart learning, not hard learning
ya , for me , this programme has no competitor ...trust me ...

at first , i'm also felt something else on this programme ..but after i heard briefing after briefing on how Kenshido doing their research and test it on several child as their subject , then i understand how scorea.com works .
for me , it is good program for our child

try not judge it from MLM scheme point of view...just think for your child and you want them to pass exam in this "examination country"

i love to share this programme to my colleague or some family who want see their child to be success in their study ...and i will never ever influence them to join the network marketing unless they are really interested to do the marketing with other prospect/colleagues

can you imagine , 598 ringgit for 6 month and just top-up 248 ringgit for next 3 months ..? And just add 50 ringgit for lifetime , if you had more than 2 child ?

i'm pretty sure , those tuition school will be "gulung tikar" if this new smart e-learning already circulated among student in whole Malaysia ..huhu..i can't imagine how it's gonna be if this programme going to boom around Malaysia

How sure are you? I don't think this program can replace teachers. Undeniably, this program does have its benefit, but not everyone is going to use it. As mentioned, look at the broadband penetration rate in Malaysia, not every school children's house has a PC and internet connection. Furthermore, some parents will not encourage their kids to use the Pc that often. Most important is, nothing can replace the teachers, teachers are always there to teach, guide and explain.

This is my personal point of view. Not again anyone or company.

I think this company or system does not mean for education, just for Biz and MLM plan only. Why I say tat?

1. The website content, system, color and etc does not mean for educational at all. Those who use it.. will know that its not user friendly at all. You u tried those educational stuff available in the market? Nicely drawn, user friendly, and good features.
2. They started the biz purely on educational, but fail to get any revenue, then turn into MLM. If the educational sales were good, then why do they need to turn into MLM?
3. The whole system and content were develop for pure info only. They did not make research on how to make teaching effective and etc.

I used to be in online educational biz, and the company close due to lack of income. I m still into online biz, that why I know how the market flow around.

And now, I m also into educational stuff, so there its much research to do, not simple put in info, then sell. It does not work this way.

No competitor? You wish.. do u think if there its big money on this, other public listed or MNC will not come in and create the same system? They have more fund, manpower, technology and etc. There its no unique selling point of this product.

Anway, its just my 10 cent opinion.

Online education work in Malaysia for higher level such as Degree, Master and etc. Being running for years. Purely educational.. no MLM plan at all. Most Uni and College have it.

Tuition centers will not gulung tikar. Know why? Because not all students are good with self access learning. They still need someone to teach and explain.
How can you identify misconceptions (which usually happens in Science subjects)?
They have no one to turn to.

Totally agree with solsekuin44 as this can assist in their learning and will not replace the traditional way of teaching. Teacher is still needed.

Yeah, I talk based on my own experience. Those who are really putting their mind in classroom, maybe can self learn better. Because they already get the idea on certain topics, just revising at home..

Those who are not? That's why they go to tuition centers, to be guided.

are tuition centers guiding the kids to score a or just raking in tons of money from parents who doesnt really know wat's going with their kids education background?

to me it sounds like a pyramid scheme. some of my friend decided to join the MLM business and they promised a high return rate. BUT, based on the presentation, the product is not important.

meaning you just have to get more downline to join under you and you can generate income monthly and the company itself will pay you on weekly basis.

whats the point of the company being there when they don't even really need to sell their products? by just getting downline you get income weekly and commisions. a MLM business should be caring for their product, to distribute their product.

Hm, I'm not sure la.. Tuition is really beneficial if the kids want to learn. But if they just go there because of their parents, it will be a waste of time.

Yeah, I was really tempted to join this program last time. But, thinking of how hard to get downlines, terus cancel.
I did ask several of my best friends about this, are they willing to invest their money.
None.

Are you sure you need not sell the products? As far as I know, all MLM have this requirement called MAINTENANCE. You need to achieve certain sell quota to enjoy commission. Without this, the company will goes bankrupt.

Anyway, i quite liked the concept of e-tuition. Just not sure how reliable this system.

I was cheated by friend and made me attend their business review the other night..made me angry with the fella like want to slap the face somemore i am not fan of MLM.I would like to advise anyone out there dont do your friends like this.

but somehow my comment it is one of the many oppurtinities out there for everyone who is serious to look for side income. It is no different from other MLM business plan but their educational product IMHO got present and future potential. I dont really trust the speakers who retired from their job with salary 15K-18K per month just to do MLM, judging from their look may be they almost retire or already retired.

Peter Drucker's talking is pure bullshit, Network Marketing only market bullshit things that can't be marketed traditionally. You're never going to see good products like Windows 7 or iPhone or Rolex being marketed through network.

well.. i don't think its kinna stupid bout Direct sales. I mean.. look at Amway and Avon, a direct sales which being listed in most major country.

Its just because some stupid fellow twist the idea and make it into "skim cepat kaya".. and those being burn and listen to it, got a very negative feedback.

well.. i being into many direct sales company.. amway, cosway, new way.. until i tell them "GET AWAY!"... yet its nothing wrong as long as they do it in the right way.

Just some of the members.. its kinna over push.

In my experience and personal opinion.. if you wan to go into direct sales.. do it BIG. Go for those in the international market, well establish, rather then the small kacang putih one.

Oh ya.. do u know that Amway did sell CK perfume? U will now know tat one day Amway might sell Microsoft product.

Cheers....

Sorry, but I categorize expensive perfumes under bullshit products

Well, MLM just another way of marketing. But sad to say that many company nowadays are not doing MLM, instead, they are playing money game. They focus on their systems such as pyramid scheme, binary system and recently i heard about micro-macro business system but not the product. They ask people to join to earn money and find more downlines, they are not selling products anymore. This makes people hate MLM.

I heard about score A and i think that it's a good product. Just the system... '''

MLM is a nowadays kind of business..
and Score A is a one kind of online educational system..
u don't like MLM..then don't bother..coz many of MLM's gain a huge money using thier scheme..but u still wat? a salaried staff range rm1k-6k???
keep on barking about MLM's people who have gain u huge profit..
they don't bother u anyway..u jz a small man for them..
u like it..good..u don't like it..better..don't care bout them..let them do wat they like, as long as it's approved by govrnmnt

n Malaysia is towards all on9 system..
still want be like old days???
be it..no one force u if u like to stdy using book..

b4 u hu ha hu ha bout MLM and SKor a..
what if u go to they preview WITH open mind..
EMPTY ur glass...
don't judge a thing until u finished..
then u can decide..it's ur choice anyway..
u like..ok..u don't like..still ok..
no one will force u to do what u thing is right

i see many people right now jz barking here and there bout MLM
but they don't see the way MLM's people see...
n how it changed their life..
if they thing MLM all about cheating..so be it..
if they thing MLM CAN change their life..so be it...
in the end..u choose ur own destiny rite?

yup this jz my opinion....
u all can said wateve...
but i still stick with my opinion

In term of content.. i think Score A sux! Design not appealing, and system are old style. Nothing much special bout it.

I seen this kind of system, bout 8 years back. Anyone remember E Tutor, Cyber School, Online Ed? Online education system develop under a public listed company.. and one of the company are Berjaya Group.

Well.. they found it does not work, due to our internet connection speed and our mind set. Online education being running for long long time oversea.. and ppl being using it like normal daily stuff.

So, then only thing Score A can do.. its turn it into MLM.... else, it just going to be another white elephant. So, catch the gimmick behind? :-)

I have used and tested Score A. http://score.course4success.com/

It is convenient for me to pay a fee and get what I want online for my children. Leverage on other products and services so that i can be focus on my own business. http://score.course4success.com/
You always have options to get good past year questions
1) Spend MORE TIME to search for it.
2) Pay a fee and get it done with it. What concern me is the children results. Would the program help my children effectively.

No doubt about the Score A product help many parents to ease with their busy schedule. Some parents share the same Score A product http://score.course4success.com/ with others so that they can be benefited.

When we share something with other, a smart business minded parents will ask "What is that in for me? When I share this with other". In order to encourage sharing of the program and reward some parents who are dedicated. MLM is the best option and I cannot think of any other approach.

I am a user and also share the program with others. You will see all win in all aspects, no doubt there are some skeptical about MLM scheme and having phobia about scams.

Let me test it for another 10 years, then I will feedback the result to you again. The company has 10 years good performance. That is all I can help for those still not sure about http://score.course4success.com/

You need another 10 years? If that the case, the company will be gone by then.

Hi there ,i've just attend the Kenshido MLM seminar and i was quite convinced by this peoples even though their presentation were just a simple & tedious one .Due to the heavy fees to be pay ,i'm really doubt about joining / not joining ,because you know the word "MLM" is already ruined in this country and probably you need to cheat people to say that "this is not a MLM ,this is all about educational product ,who don't need education nowadays ?NO ONE "

CHECK THE VIDEO

Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lth0HkIUVcY

Part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-asLPKfwSaY
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I've attended their preview last week. They spent 10 mins on the product benefit, etc. and 30 mins on how to make money. Just from that, I know straight away that this is not about education. This is how to make money, MLM style. I feel cheated by my friend who invited me (I'm pretty sure he's hoping for me to join under him) . I stormed out from the seminar room right away.

If your product is just the database of PMR, SPM questions online what you need to maintain is just the server. The cost should be much cheaper than what has been promoted. The high price of joining fees is distributed among existing members. Thats how the members makes money.

In the end, you need to find 'kaki'. If you're the kind who comfortable this kind of thing, by all means go ahead. But MLM is not my cuppa.

P/S : For my kids, I just use Didik that comes FREE with newspaper as supplement, and from tutor.com.my. What I know, my kids scored wayyy much better in SPM compared with my colleagues' kids who joined Score-A

I seen their preview before and one high achiever promised you can be millionaire if you follow his method else he refund your joining fee. I wanna laugh.

Product wise, I find it ok since there are many students who have used it and there are results to prove that it worked.

I read most of the replies here and seems like few people tends only to understand and thinks that Score A is only about MLM and Network Marketing, and don't really want to understand what the products is. Score A is a products and endorsed by the Ministry of Education (recently launched by our TPM too). If you're joining the Distributor for Score A, you have to understand that you're throwing your money for "BUSINESS". This is the main thing that people tend to forget while dealing with MLM business. MLM is also a business that give you an opportunity to grow your money with small investment and gain more money until you reach millionaires/rich status. Any business will involve profit and loss and if anybody don't understand business matters, please study and learn the first and foremost of business activities.

Any business required good product before you can market it widely. Therefore, Score A is the products and not the MLM. The business to market the Score A is related and fall under the MLM-type of business as sanctioned and license by ROB/C (AJL license). It is similar to Hai-O, Amway, VEMMA and the rest of the world.

YOu have to think that MLM is just like a small franchise program that helps you do a business with a small fraction of money. Then, when you ahve a business, do you just sit there and wait for your money to grow?? No such thing will happen unless you're really establish and have enough money in the banks with a FD accounts, then you can wish for.

All richest/millionaires people in the wordl are doing business. And they worked hard everyday and every seconds counts. Even Donald Trump also have to worked hard everyday to ensure that the money that he has will grow more and more.

Same like MLM. It is a business and once you enter a business, you have to work hard to earn money. Same as other business. Simple as that!!!

The thing is that you don't really have a business, you're paying to be their salesman.



6% of rich Americans inherited their wealth (http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/04/inheritance-is-not-main-driver-of.html)



Trump is not an MLM salesman. He would be bankrupt by now if the US government didn't bail him out.

to be honest im pretty afraid of investing in this kind of things... the person giving the talk is like aa don't worry... I will help you one don't worry i will help you one... but somehow i have this doubt within my head.. like is this ever gonna generate income? ._.

well,
i had been dealing with education related line for years
As far as i know,
anything which really direct or indirect related to Education, will have to apply approval from LAN

i don't see any related approvals from this company.
From this point, it's providing education services but Pure Trading company

I don't see tuition centre needing approval from LAN.

Tuition centre in fact doesnt need approval from LAN
what i meant to, is EDUCATION PROVIDED PLATFORM is needed
there are some kind of guideline who need to get approval one

I saw an ugly side of Score A when a 'successful' distributor met me and told me (or boasted?) that he got a headmaster of a school to sign up under him and he earned 5 figures income easily after that..How it works?

The headmaster implemented a rule that every student need to purchase a login in order to get access to the past year exam via web (all under the name of embracing IT) Those who doesn't have computer or internet access at home must do it in school's computer lab


Please, tell me that is not a sick way to get rich...You must be the most selfish person on earth to do that to school-kids for your own monetary gain...

This kind of thing is very common especially in chinese schools. Better go report them to MACC you will be surprised how much some headmasters actually siphoned off

be bear in mind that there si another e learning programme popping up.

and it may acts as a competitor to the Score A programme.

the programme that i mention is actually www.ittv.com.my

It is a IBOXX Tuition TV ( A simulate classroom Revision at home).

basically it resembles a set of TV corporated with hard disk with lots of teachings and lessons from experienced and professional tutors. more interactive as i would say when compared to Score A programme, but the problem is nowadays with the advent of high tech and e portal and e learning, how does one ensure the sustainability of this new online edu learning bussiness ?

how far does this e learning goes in our country? does it really meant for the supplements of learning methods? or just purely bussiness minded purposes?

All those in the education industry just purely for profit making. Look at HELP, they hope to hit 100m profit by this year

hmm i don't know what's wrong with some guys. bit tired of knowing how they always look at the industry negatively.

some just heard bad stuff, or experience bad things with a wrong company, or maybe it is a good company but unluckily dealt with unethical business people, some even never succeed, mostly because he she didn't know how to do business the right way, and didn't want to improve their knowledge and later burnt out and gave up - and now they blame and act like MLM is so evil.

and if MLM is so damaging, why the government(and the countries) didn't ban Direct Selling Act in the 1st place?

thank god Im lucky i met my group and i feel sympathy for the kind of people i mentioned above. personally, MLM has made me a positive & supportive individual. this industry boosted up my confidence, endurance and social skill. it helped me gained understanding what honesty and friendship means, and most importantly what MLM really is and the challenges it faces in the community.

honestly i have to say, at first, for me as a rookie, it was all about money... but later i discovered that helping others to succeed and improve their life financially, that satisfies the most. (guess this part, im speaking on behalf of the true networkers out there )


so to everyone out there, people of 1malaysia, pls read more, analyze without being one sided, get more experience, before simply making negative statements & assumptions and babbling out to the world. it won't really make you feel any better tho.

i'm aware this post doesn't really fit current topic but hopefully will benefit all, or if not, give few readers some thoughts. all the best. peace.

~

oh.. to topic starter, having an appointment with a distributor, or taking a look at their offices and their business preview, will give you far more better understanding of their business rather than having a phone or internet conversation(update) that takes.. forever to understand and often misinterpreted.

This post has been edited by amanyus: May 19 2010, 02:18 PM

Well, my scope may still be kind of limited, but I'd say it really depends on the person doing it. Most of the members (save a few big shots) know nuts about the company's true intentions, whether it is really for the good of education or pure profit. However, there is a group or two who is really concerned about the education field and make an effort to really understand the product before they start wagging their tongues.

Even for the group members, it still depends on the people. A friend of mine keep showering people with "I do this with the teamwork idea in mind. I will help everyone till the end" but he only helps those who can bring in results (meaning recruiting 'legs'). Those who have tried hard with his guidance but not much results, he will abandon them (typical businessman trait, if you ask me).

Product-wise, though, it is quite a feasible and practical idea. The cost is not too expensive and the materials are quite good. At the end of the day it really depends on the user, members and the people looking from outside the box. Some will see it positively while some will see it otherwise.

As for me, I am in agreement with the concept and idea, but I do not really like the thoughts that most members hold, which is rush for profit, profit, profit and stepping on those who tried hard but couldn't manage because they were not guided and helped as they were promised to.

MLM = Member gets member, if its not prymid scheme. What is it? Dun get conned even if its TPM launched it. Politician are biggest cons, so the similarity with MLMs are obvious.

I may be wrong about this, A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, without any product or service being delivered. Just think about it, does this program fall under pyramid scheme?

1. product? there is product & service being delivered.
2. non-sustainable business? kenshido have been around almost 10 years or more.
3. member gets member? even the large hypermarket have member card. do you get anything if you promote it to your family?

ps: Please do a research first. Thank you.

i find it weird...if they are to promote their education system via network marketing, how come Kumon isn't doing the same thing? And many still send their kids to Kumon... unless their education system is a failed product that needs to be marketed out via network marketing and hefty intensive/commissions. Which reminds me of an old English sayings, good wine needs no bush

any further info about Score-A? bcoz my fren keeps want me to join =.=''

Let says : if i have a network structure which means i have 20+ members under my control, then i die accidentally ( accident or watever la ). wat would happens of d network structure?

What kind of 'further info' do you desire? My friend always say he is Making Life Meaningful via MLM, but he did not realise he is Making Life Miserable for some. Since you are vague in wanting info, I'd say you can only wish for good luck and be under a good leader to succeed.

and if they are still using their old system, once you kick the bucket your network should go to the person you named as the 'inheritor' of your network.

+1

Anyway i've already joined this program...signed up under one of my closest uncle, which on his first month he already got 10k profit in this business
I'm also a bit skeptical about MLM at first but after attending the seminar I see that this product do have a future..at least it's not like those supplements products/cosmetics products that not everyone would need..education is business nowadays...it's a known fact..

My mom bought score A for me lol the questions are ok you know, just the same Malaysia standard. Piece of cake. Some of the questions got wrong answer zzzz =.= and I was like wth. Anyway after I try it it's not worth it buying score A. Should use the money buy reference book or workbooks which is like just 20 rigggit and I can buy more than that. Hello!! RM500+ go and buy this thing really regret it. It's just stupid. If you buy it for your child that's a bad move real bad. Me as form 5 student think that. If you buy it so you want your child sit and face computer like everyday? It might just spoil your child's eye and your child might just end up playing online game. It happens to me hahahaha on computer want to do score A but end up playing my facebook hehehe. Ok the score A people might present the score A thingy very good and say all the amazing things about how score A helped students improve their students pictures of hishamudin with score A and bla bla bla thing and you thought it is great just like they say which makes you wanna buy it. So what? What's the point? When you can just buy workbook (which is better cause no facebook no online games in front of you) score A on computer do one paper ok done visit facebook. What's the point? Everyone thinks computer is entertainment ady how to study? Think about it. Worth it or not.

if this is really good maybe it should replace our educational system. kids don't go to school just sit in front of the computer and do the score a. no need for teacher.

another thing is this system is promoting exam oriented mindset in the parents and the students mind. it is because it uses rote learning or drilling which means students do lots of question and questions and question. this does notfulfilling out educational philosophy JERI. Jasmani
Emosi Rohani Intelek.

after reading all 3 pages... (need some reading before sleep)
its kind of remind me...
the smart shop ad...
where does it go now.. hmmm

Well, i just wondered why don't they join as other salesman like maybe insurance agent. We do not need money to join And its helping people too. I bet its definitely easier to get a client than this.. Hmm tell me pls

This post has been edited by weikian: Jul 14 2010, 10:03 AM

I also got off from a Score A seminar two months ago which my friend asked me attend. At first, I was intrigued by the presentation and how the speaker explained what Skor A was all about. To me, I felt it was a good programme. However, it is still based on an individual's perception whether to obtain that portal or not. That presentation on SKOR A was only 15 minutes.

Then came to the most interesting part. How to gain benefit from it. Again, the 2nd speaker was very good. It made me almost wanted to invest in it as well. But I realized it was MLM and most people say MLM is cheating. But due to the fact that the product is education based, I felt confident in it.

After the presentation, the members came to me. Trying to convince me to join them. I had an intention to join but at that moment, I was really in financial crisis. I didn't have 1.7k at all in my bank. Therefore I rejected. And here goes the part where I hate most. They kept on pressuring and persuade me to join even I don't have the money. They would ask me to borrow from relatives and friends and as time goes by, I was getting annoyed.

What I'm trying to say is, I don't mind you venture are into this business. But the way you try to convince us especially those aggresive members, really do annoy and irritate. When we say NO due to our own personal reasons, means NO. Final. Don't come and be our financial planner.

Once I told them, since you say that joining this business is a GURANTEE PROFIT, why not you borrow me that 1.7k and I join as member. Then IF i manage to get profit out of it, I will return you that 1.7k and we work happily together. If things goes sour and I couldn't sell any, too bad I'm not returning you that 1.7k. He stood quiet for awhile and I just left. Meaning, the MLM guy isn't certain at all whether that I could sell also. Then why bother sayin GURANTEE PROFIT or RETURN.

haha...talk bout investment with Score-A...i rather spend rm85 for amway membership with no pressure at alll... If not happy with them, just return the membership within a year and get full refund...after all, not risking and losing anything...

regards

Exactly =)
What a waste of time,doing such work.I would rather focus on my real life job and have a realistic income rather than this bull Score A. What if i cant get 'kaki'?who will give me back my rm 1.7k? Lol i feel sorry for my friends who wasted their $$ into this. Haha they are now still struggling to get back their capital For those who still doing for score A please don't bullshyt anymore with how much your top is getting,what car he driving,he got 5 digit from this. Its utter bull,you know it, i know it =)

This post has been edited by jjjkj: Jul 24 2010, 08:02 PM

I joined kenshido after countless calls from my cousin non stop urging me to join. I nicely rejected alot of times, til I really dont know what to say, i just discuss with my dad and he said ok since its our cousin n not some random outsider, then ok lor... After paying 1.8k for i think 5 set... I was told each set worth 600 each and if i sold all 5, I would get 3k, so I'm earning 1.2k in the process.

After just talking to a couple of close friends whom had younger siblings that is still studying, I really dont have the heart to push/force my friends into listening me crapping any longer. Maybe I'm not the pushy marketing talker person, I dont know but I just feel bad, its like u ajak them out and u talk something they are not interested, next time they will avoid u or leave you out. I'm not muka tembok enough to be a great at talking where I can convince people. No offence to people who can talk and convince, I'm just saying its my weakness or I'm being unlucky not to be blessed with this ability.

Now I'm still having this 5 set not knowing what to do with them, collecting dust somewhere~

Oh btw, my cousin NEVER talk nor contact me anymore after I've signed up.

Anyone want all 5 cards for RM1k? can nego too hehehe jk (I'm serious if u r up for it ahahahah)

EDIT:

I forget to mention, my dad supported me and he paid for this 1.8k hoping I can make my own extra pocket money.
Right now I can only pray that NO ONE EVER EVER EVER BRING UP THIS TOPIC AT ALL!!! >.< Hoping he doesnt remember paying such huge amount.
I dont have the heart to tell him I've wasted his rm1.8k that he happily support me. I feel really bad I promise to myself to make up for him by getting a proper job after graduating

This post has been edited by alexision: Jul 26 2010, 02:44 AM

You should be looking at parents whose kids are doing badly in school and then do a demo and sell them.

a good read from both sides, pro and against Score A.

I happened to come across Score A, after some 'tutors' abused my website Home Tuition Job In Malaysia trying to recruit other 'tutors'.

It seems that these fake 'tutors' are really eager to sell their 'extras' to genuine tutors, kinda like want to get rich fast.

I got nothing against Score A system, it just another business model and it is up to anyone to choose whether he or she wants to be part of it.

Just don't abuse my website and my administrators will ban anyone trying to promote score A.

Hi all,

i have also heard about the score A. it looks good and i have all dee join it. Actually this program is not to replace the school system or tution,. this is just an additional tool for kids to create the interest to study and do well in their exams. all the while v've been given onli input learning, noting output so this is totally based on output learning.. even the past year books have limited collection of paper. but v hv 12 yrs of collection of past yr papers. y worry much. it's jst and additional tool to make learning more interesting NOT REPLACEMENT for any...

And it also helps people who want to earn xtra money. all u have to do is jst put the same effort that u are putting during your employment life here and u can c the money flowing in. y worry. u work like dog for your company at the end u get fixed salary. here is passive income. AND THIS IS NT PIRAMID SYSTEM AT ALL.. if you have built ur network and if something bad happens to u( touch wood.. u died) the income will be credited into your beneficiary ..actually u need to have a good group leader and member. as for me i'm lucky that my group leader is good.. v do have alot of activities in groups to motivate the members who facing problem and solution to over come it.

Not promoting but clearing things to ppl who commented.. no offence. jst my opinion on this.

i always say this to anyone ask me to join MLM.

they will got nothing to say anymore and i can walk off

Dear Aquagal,

If you say THIS IS NOT A PYRAMID SCHEME AT ALL, do you have the source or proof for it? Do you actually know what pyramid / ponzy scheme is? What is your job task in score-A? To sell those portals and get more downlines right? Most of you guys woul focus on getting more downlines so that you can obtain override commision and for a network for yourself right? Then your downlines get more downlines and you, being the upline gets more commision. So isn't this pyramid scheme?

Bear in mind that I'm not against Score-A or this pyramid scheme. I'm just pissed with those MLM-ers who keep on persuade and bug me even if politely reject them. They would come and call me anotehr day insisting me to join their member. This is what I hate most.

Hi,

it's actually duplication of your effort. for example in score-A : u mange to get 4 members in ur downline. u can c the profit there.
next ,the 4 members will get their 4 downline each. So won't the each 4 earn too as well as u?? that the beauty of it. it's nt piramid system more like a tree concept. Piramid system is illegal in malaysia and the company has strong support from the government to do this business. Don't you think for a company which has strong government support uses pyramid scheme to do the business??? impossible.

The concept of pyramid is structured like a pyramid.. my concept of pyramid scheme is... the initial recruiter(the top level) is the person who starts it, the first downline required to invest cash to join in, which will go to the initial recruiter in order for him to get back the cash tat he (initial) invested. Here's where Score A marketing plan differs. same goes to the first downline who recruit more ppl under him. Do u agree that the pyramid system works like hw i mentioned.


Can i clarify something with you, what makes you to have the thought that score A is using pyramid system? Are you aware of the Score A business plan??

yeah i can understand your situation. Can i know the reason of your rejection?i hope i answered your questions.

what if is i say my damn old skool use this program as learning tools and my school is the one that get the 90% straight a's in pmr. can you believe in me?

btw my senior from the same darn school ask me to join. still thinking bout it.

Which MLM company are you with?



I have never been one-sided, I've just never had someone tell me why selling Rm25 toothpaste is honest.

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If I sneeze and then it rains, will you believe me when I say it rains because I sneeze?



This post has been edited by wodenus: Aug 2 2010, 12:00 PM

Greetings there again aquagal,

Before I continue with this discussion, let me be clear with you. I have nothing with Score A or Kenshido nor its scheme as well. Ok? So no hard feelings. Let us exchange our thoughts and increase our knowledge.

First of all, to me, network marketing/multi-level marketing is already a pyramid scheme to me. I understand this is a very bold and immature statement. From what I understand from this MLM is, the recruiter will recruit downlines, and the recruitment money from the downlines is paid to the Company(not the recruiter). From this amount of money, the company forks out certain % to the recruiter as commission. Furthermore, if the recruiter's downlines do recruit another downline, the recruitment money goes to the company as well and certain % is also given to the initial recruiter which is called overriding commission right? Thus this routine goes on and on. This is what I refer to as pyramid scheme. And I do not really get your tree concept. It seems a similar to the pyramid scheme. Care to further explain?

Our dearest government have supported you all. Congratz for that. The question is whether the company obtained that certificate it in a legal way or not is another thing. Corruption within our country is so common nowadays.

Bear in mind that I have no problem with the certificate legality or the pyramid scheme. It may be my lost not to join it as it MAY be my chance to achieve financial freedom in the easiest way. But I did not regret not joining it. My problem is just towards those aggresive MLM-ers.

My reason of rejection is simple, financial issues. I just couldn't fork up 1.8k in a day's time for that MLM-er to recruit me. He even suggests me to borrow money from friends and family. The part when I hated bout him most is he kept insisting on me borrowing money everytime I rejected him. Isn't that annoying ?

@aquagal11
Either you're too naive or you still too young to understand the concept thanks to the one sided brainwash.

I might agree with you that this is not a pyramid scheme; however it is still riding on a pyramid concept. Like you explain yourself, you find 1 ppl, each of the 4 find another 4. So to keep it simple; you draw it out and tell me the shape. You can call it a tree or whatever, but then again; it's still a pyramid because you are getting overriding commissions. The terms is different or the marketing plan might be different but the concept is still the same.

I even met someone or basically most Kenshido recruiters telling me this is not a "Direct Sale". when you market the plan to individual, it is a sale; because ppl have to pay to join. When you market the product to the individual, it's a sale; because ppl have to pay to get the product. SO rebut me on this is not a "direct sale" definition. Without "sales" no company can sustain and pay the "commissions"; it's just easy economics.

You have to understand that most ppl doesn't really mind MLM. However it is the way it is marketed and the lack of transparency involved. Like the mass usage of "this is not direct sales but it is known as network marketing" just shows how naive one can be to deny the simple truth. i.e. the evolution of "words". Started with "Pyramid" then once everyone gets to know and loath the concept; it then evolve into the "Direct Sales". When it gets the same reception, the new term "MLM" i.e. "Multi Level Marketing" comes about. Then everyone gets tired thus a simpler terms comes in play now... "Network Marketing". However, who can deny it is the same thing since the start? It is how the plan is being derived and how it is being marketed.

Like I say, be transparent from the start. Why hide this hide that.

Hi guys i just joined Kenshido ScoreA marketing business plan for 3 weeks time & i get back my capital already so the next step is i will guide my downline to get back their hard earn money also indirectly i will get some my hard afford bonus reward . why kenshido able to pay out that high commission ? becos their company only do maintenance in one product & no need that high expenses to keep maintain it. so thats why kenshido make a words say "Your Dream Our Vision" this mean we working with each other, u promote his product he give u money. its fair right ? there is no money will drop from sky such things. what u pay what u get.

i saw some ppls say "good things no need to promote" ??? hahahaa.....if u still live in 20years back then that might be works. in current generation if u do same way then u slow slow wait to sale ur product. im sure will get famous in one day of ur product just that the matter of time when can be that popular.

we live in bullet world now everythings have to act fast, u slow u will be left behind.

why others company can do mlm business by then why kenshido cant do ? yet this product is another tools good for education such a big market in malaysia.

so i hope i wont get shoot by u guys becos of my statement

dey, ypur sales pitch is so obvious la

well everthings that with product sure is sales n involve with Business. once in business sure related with money. so started with money then u can earning commission money as a reward.

the above person who is big loser of our generation should know something before he/she give such a statement...

Article about Founder of Microsoft:
Network Marketing Training- Bill Gate’s Success Training for Graduates

even one of world's richest man is talking about importance of MLM. why can't we accept the fact. If you born as a poor guy, its not your fault but if you die as a poor guy, it is purely your mistake. For you kind information, this company came out with such a marketing plan jz 3 years ago but the product in the market for more than 10 years. Think before you speak out and speak with facts.

well said man !!!! i raise my hand & leg to totally agree with u. well.......we cant force them also, that is his/her choice. all depend on their self decision. he/she want to change it or just staying.

both of you got one thing in common

Hi, I am using the scoreA program a.k.a ScoreA e-Learning. Now im facing some problem. Firstly , after I log in to my scoreA account, there are two choices , 1 is e Examination hall and another is i-Teacher. I can't find the ENTER button for the i-Teacher .So, until now i still haven't get to learn from i-Teacher. Secondly, i have already sent the message to scoreA for the e-Report card through Hand phone but it doesn't reply back and when i have done with those exercises / exam by using ScoreA program, it doesn't send anything to me. I feel like i am wasting my money and time. Does anyone know how to solve this prob? Thanks

I have been checked to ur problem i found nothings wrong with the login with I-Teacher. by the way any of problem u facing u can e-mail them directly & they will guide u.
Kenshido International Sdn Bhd
Wisma Kenshido, No 1-1, 1-2, 1-3,Jalan PJU 5/6, Dataran Sunway PJU 5,
47810 Kota Damansara, Petaling Jaya, Selangor Malaysia.
Tel: 603-6141 8286 (Hunting Line) Fax:603-6141 8126, 6141 8136
Website: http://www.kenshido.com / www.scorea.com
E-mail: enquiries@kenshido.com




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Only loser will write in RED.

BTW, Microsoft do not do MLM business.

2 of my frens did this business in my university last year.. then this year one of them already driving a mercedez and other one mazda..

but i feel this is not my type of earning money.. >_<"

This post has been edited by oyama: Aug 25 2010, 12:54 PM

Red can be used to stress some points. So, winner also can use it.

A large font with red colour somemore in forum place, mean that somebody are shouting and cursing on others.

So please mind the font and word.

Any statement doesn't need to be in big font.

A strong statement come with facts and supporting points.
A statement doesn't need or being seems strong with big font or red colour only.


This post has been edited by cherroy: Aug 25 2010, 05:40 PM

score A cannot do 1 trust me.......100 people only 4-5 can success.....now all my downline all expired....trust me dont listen to your frenz who asked you to join....is totally bullshit....once you join they disappear/dont want care about you adi......and now even worst...from Rm596 to Rm796 for ebiz and so on for others packages.....is totally up to you den...this is my point of view...cheers

lolzz.......it might happen to those expire becos of sitting on there waiting the durian drop down. hahahaaa......hey man this world there is no such free lunch. what u work n what u get then.

this is still MLM... been through it.. done it.. wasted my time and money...

if u really put afford on MLM u will be successful easily. many ppls i saw many of them have no Patience work on it & die in the half way.

You should know not everyone will be successful even you put in effort. You may want to prove me wrong by showing your own success rather than talk about other people

super agree with cuebiz haha

im not success (yet). but i got confident to be success. at least i got improvement to my current result. i Believe i can make it. always keep in Positive mind set.

why bare in mind at 1st u will not 100% success even u put in effort ??? the same things u work in ur currently day job why u not think that 2moro will i get fire by ur boss suddenly or next month or next year ?

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Added on August 27, 2010, 8:15 amsomeone fail in success must be have a reason at behind. have to learn what things that make u cant suscess.



This post has been edited by Coolman_wrx: Aug 27 2010, 08:16 AM

We have to accept the advantages of e-learning.. This is just a traditional system outside world.. USA 10 years ago ady got this, 6 years ago spore.. what abt m'sia? even those degree students or those who r further for studies r using e-learning.. we r force to accept tis program no matter how.. anyway, its just my personal view.. good luck everybody..

Wow. Many new joiners just to discuss about this Score-A program.

I have nothing against this program, but some people might prefer another method of earning money.

I tried the demo of the education portal, I would not recommend it. Personal opinion only. Maybe old people prefer traditional way. =P

Student Score A
Parent Score $
got two benefit

just how many spam do this thread have?




*just see how many post some users have and their comments/opinion & u'll know wat i mean..

This post has been edited by dauf87: Aug 30 2010, 01:23 AM

My wife is a teacher, and was introduced to this program by our Sister in law, whose primary focus is making money off this program. Problem is, the score A system teaches kids how to pick answers, not how to pick correct answers. It doesn't tell you why the answer is wrong, just that it's wrong.

Unless parents are willing to sit beside them and discuss why the answer is wrong, students won't learn. At the very least, when latih tubi are done in school, teachers would discuss the answers and at least they learn something.

This is not online learning - where you are taught - just doing exercises on a computer screen.

With the state of students today - I wouldn't put pass it that one student will complain that he only know how to use score-A system, and not the pencil to answer the exam.

errmm.....what make ppls expect this Score A programme will take over teacher & tuition center ?? this Score A programme is another TOOLS doing exercises for OUTPUT learning. this programme cannot replace teacher INPUT learning. so guys must understanding with the OUTPUT & INPUT. Score A only handle the OUTPUT & teacher will be handle the INPUT learning. Score A just a enhance tools for those student to produce their INPUT from teacher.

Well, I don't know, maybe the thick, glossy endorsement by hundreds of student claiming that they SCORE-A in their exams because of Score-A?

Maybe the way Score-A card seller is promoting their wares, such as "Why waste time tuition, petrol money some more and all, just Score A mah..."

None of the brochure and materials I got even put a disclaimer about the input or output thing, and believe me, before score A came around, teachers have been putting kids with CD-ROMS asking them to do exercises similar to score A. The reason why they stopped?

Is because some subjects being taught today can't use score A at all. Essays? Karangan? Mathematical problem solving, where you have to show your work? Why do you think exam papers now come in two parts, the objective (pray you get some right) and subjective (if you don't study, no amount of prayer will help you). More failed the subjective part, and you should see some of the answers being put there.

Maybe there is a noble cause, initially for score A. But like most products and programs, when you mix money in it, coupled with selling language, you are just causing boatloads of trouble. My wife's school gave FREE TUITION for UPSR students, yet only half turn up, among those whose parents said "too busy, he do score a at home."

It's simple for me. If score-A existed prior to the whole MLM thing, they should just go to the ministry, and say we develop this, please do this to complement teaching at school. But because they want to untung ---- MLM! And you get selling languages. Worse part is if the parents believe in score A's spiel, and scold their children for failing score A's test. Can score A come out and identify the student's weakness?

Cannot. So the student find out how to beat score A, and we have another robot on our hands.

well, those endorsement by the student which is just apart of it to prove that its work when u using it, ofcos not all student can be success Score A. it have to depend on the student how they use it. perhaps we can say it discipline as i say this is only a tools that can help them to get improvement. same things as sent them to tuition center is another tools to get them can have improvement right ? hope u get what i mean here. " Is Not A Matter What You Have but Is The Matter How You Use It"


Well, this is the personal way to talking . if me i would say dont waste your money when u donno which subject is the weakness on your kids, with score A programme u can easy know it which subject & monitor it just only few clicks & it wont spend so much time as parent say they always busy on the career, parent not help their kids who else can help ?


Well, as i know your wife is teacher right ? i believe she can understand why they stop it. do u know how hard to seek Question & Answer for those student to do excise ? i even got go this issue from my fren. his wife is doing tuition centre. once come with monthly test or weekly test his wife prepare it until late mid nite always & many books on the table to do reference. such a hard work. this info is get from him to share with me. once i introduce this Score A product he very happy with it becos his wife can safe alot time to do preparation for the test.


Well, yes i agree with u at this part Score A programme cant replace it. thats why i say this is the another tools Score A take (subjective) & another tools is for teacher (objective) to do with it. from here we can c the picture of "Input" & "Output" learning tools.


Well, sometime with those FREE things they always wont appreciate it, i only can say that is their own choice.


Well, maybe u can login to kenshido.com look for the how many of malaysia ministry had been endorsement of this Score A product. as i say it again School is "INPUT" learning. Score A is "Output" learning we cant mix up with this two category. for example student is a cup of glass. teacher fill the water into the cup of glass. if the student dont drink the water how the student can get another refill water from teacher ? the water will over flow when teacher keeping fill in water to the glass of cup right ? im here not to against anythings n also not becos of untung duit. what i share all is the Fact. year 2000 is ICT world started. everyone out there is starting do their business on ICT. all country is start changing right do we malaysia still want to sit there n still looking around with it ? i believe that malaysia school will bring pen drive go to school in future instead of bring thousand tonne of books. as my research i know with this kind of programme is FREE using in others country in few years back becos their government provide it. why our government cant do it ? i also no idea about it.

im here say sorry ya if i do mistake or being rude. i also not sale product in here becos im from sarawak



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