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Gareth
post Apr 29 2011, 06:40 PM

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the problem is.....
score A can be a head hunter money game with product~~~
if all of the down-liner cannot recruit new member.....u ask how much the whole score A ppl can get for 1 week....is NOTHING~~
mlm company must have repeat sales to ensure the stability ~~
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Gareth
post May 22 2011, 01:14 PM

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now even the rich dad poor dad author robert kiyosaki admitted that MLM could be the 1st step that if u wan to do big business...
not only about the money.. but also the usefull business skill that u can learn in MLM...the skill to talk with ppl...and even self-improve...
but....what we know is...if u r not committed..sure u will fail...
some may say , have ppl committed but still fail~~

that the main point come in...MLM can teach u a lot of things....but...must a right company, with right leader... if u join a wrong company which cannot stand long and only a head hunter with no product.....u may never stand up again when u fail,u r totally scare about MLM, and ur fren and family will start stay away from u.....since u r with wrong leader that only teach u how to sell,sell,sell, money ,money ,money....& ur product suck~~

for me....i know why i joined MLM...and i know what should i do and who i want to be.......


Added on May 22, 2011, 1:56 pm
QUOTE(Equals2nine @ May 22 2011, 04:34 AM)
Wow. Can't believe I created this account just to reply lol. Have you ever thought of searching in wikipedia for more info about MLM?

MLM is a business strategy. Some people gain from it, some lose. Bad thing is, it is not sustainable for a long period of time. Score A has the potential to go far because the market is always there : students. Unless, u're in Japan or S'pore where the birth rate is low. However, there will come a time when the ratio of uplines and students become so big that every Upline is fighting for every single student. I'd picture the situation like this : year 2000 - amount of student is 1000, amount of Upline is 1. Year 2020 - amount of student is 1000, amount of Upline is 10000. Get it? Eventually, there will not be enough 'food' for everyone. Not that the food become less, just that the ppl become more. I predict, this will die off quite fast because MLM adopts a multiplier concept BUT after a while, a new MLM product will appear again.

But have you ever thought of this : Why do you want to get rich fast? Honestly, I'd rather study my ass off and do the job that I like. I don't care whether I get rich or not. I just want to enjoy what I'm working for. I love programming stuffs and messing around with computers so I study Computer Science or Software Engineering degree. If I'm poor BUT happy when I die, I think my life is much more fulfilled or as meaningful as those who are rich AND happy because if you are rich, you will have problem securing and sustaining your money and having paranoia and if you are poor, you will have problem getting what you want but if you are happy, no matter rich or poor, you've just lived the GOOD life. If you just want to get rich, you had better re-evaluate your life. Go back to your religious roots or something and find the meaning of life.

FYI, pyramid schemes are banned in many developed countries BUT not M'sia and MLM IS a type of pyramid scheme except that it is known as pyramid selling. Searched up wikipedia on this. I'd rather categorise MLM as a flexible pyramid scheme in that its shape can also not be a pyramid but a rectangle, or a diamond when u can't find anymore downline, etc. However, the concept is still the same with pyramid scheme except that the difference is pyramid schemes don't offer products. Pyramid schemes are fraudulent because they concentrate on getting downline and impossible to sustain for long.

Sounds familiar? Of course it does. Most Score A ppl are just concentrating on downlines and building pyramids. (there was a user who posted whether the score A users here concentrated on downline or the selling of the product and until now, there have not been any straight forward response to that. Correct me if I'm wrong). Hence, score A product is just to hide the scheme. However, u can't categorise score A MLM as fraudulent because u can still sell their product if you can't find downline and it will look like just another fair business...but it'll be hard. Pyramid schemes are successful, no doubt. You just have to be a good salesmen and trainer.

I don't want to join because it is so expensive. Also, I think it is only for those who want to get rich fast. I'd rather take things slowly and enjoy this short life. Who knows, you might die tomorrow getting hit while trying desperately to sell Score A to speeding cars on the road and your dreams of getting rich are dashed. So much for creativity and daringness. Just joking about the selling products to speeding cars though. Just saying you'll do anything to get rich fast...even if it's illegal or very risky. Another reason is I'm not a salesperson and I hate being one. Fourth thing is, I don't want to be the cause for my downline not being able to find downlines due to shortage of 'food'. Then, he'll start blaming me for cheating him. Fifthly, I tend to think of it as another skim cepat kaya which the government are warning us against participating in such. Look at all the ads and presentations by users for this score A MLM. It's all about getting rich fast.

On the score A program, I think it is just plain unnecessary. Getting your kid to study on the computer is already bad since he will most likely use score A as a cover up for going on facebook or other stuffs. Also, we can easily get questions from lots of workbooks. Just RM50-or maybe EVEN LESS-worth of workbooks for each subject will be able to give u enough exercises you need to score A compared to RM396 for this online thing. Some just need to study textbooks and listen to teacher in class and they'll get it. For years, students have been achieving without score A. It's simple, no pain, no gain. Even if you got score A program, but if you have no effort, you can't gain anything. If you have effort and you study, with or without score A, you'll certainly get your A. That's why online studying is only common in unis and higher level studies coz adults are better at controlling and managing their time but not secondary or primary students.

To those who asked those who are against score A to keep quiet, you're just being another BN or communist. People have the right to express their opposition even if they are dumb or know barely nothing about it because how do they know that they know very little about score A? It's the very reason that they think they know so much about this that they voiced out. So, correct them if they are wrong in their opinions so that they can learn more but don't shut them up.

I will not encourage people to do MLM. Yes, it may be their choice but it is also my choice to see them do the right thing. The only reason is I care and I don't want people getting into something just because of the 'get rich fast' promise.
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I agree ur point that it is a pyramid .... but....... all the organisation system seem to be in pyramid share....even u work in a company....they may be 1 or 2 director,3-4 manager and so on....and the worker are a lot ..that a pyramid ?? correct me if i am wrong~~

second .....i think u have been implant wrong point of view to MLM... for what my fren told me when me 1st meet, he intro me about MLM ( he joined and experienced ) , he told me if i think that is a " get rich fast " game....pls dont join...if u having the thought like this...sure u will fail...
do u think that u can just joined mlm and do noting and u will earn ?? that is job...not mlm
for mlm u must know urself well and know all the ppl u know well...u need to learn how to manage ur time, ur money ...and even the skill together with ppl....and u need to know that u may fail many time, really many.....
and the most important is...u will meet a lot of successful ppl...u can learn from them...success is u decided to sucess and WORKED not WISHED........
so many of ppl talk bad about mlm , because the agent promote it in a worng way , and after they failed...they will think that mlm is bullshit ~~
that y we need to choose right company and right leader which can guide u and not let u walk in a wrong direction......the main point is....U MUST HAVE A RIGHT MIND-SET....i did wrong in setting mind-set...thx for my leader and fren(not in mlm)help me corrected it~~

u said that u rather study and get a job that u like ~ ~ ~ i wish to ... but ... nowadays , do u think that u still can study the course that u like and get a job that u like ?? maybe i didnt have much more experience in this cause i am still small....but what i see all my fren is just cant decided to take what course in college because the courses that they interested in cannot provide them a bright future or a job secure after ....so...they just simply pick a course and put their ass on in~~
maybe u still can find a job that u "like" i dunno u like it or no other choose, sometime our thought been blur and even cover by some issue and let us think that is not our interest anymore.......like i like acting and my common-sence told me that it have no future.....so i will never think act is my interest anymore.....
yup ....u may be happy once u enjoy .......but can it be financial secure ?? y dont u separate interest and money ?

This post has been edited by Gareth: May 22 2011, 01:56 PM
Gareth
post Nov 1 2011, 04:05 AM

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QUOTE(Equals2nine @ Jul 26 2011, 12:13 AM)
Yes, you're wrong. Organisation system looks like a pyramid but it is not a pyramid scheme. That's the difference. Bosses don't pull people in when they have enough workers. Pyramid schemes will try to grow bigger and bigger endlessly.

2nd. That's the problem. Your friend says that but MOST ppl use the get rich fast mentality to attract ppl. I once attended a preview of this score A thing in their office and the presenter highlighted the point that he's getting only RM5000 a month and his boss is getting RM5000 a week. Then he asks us if he wants us to earn like him. That's just one example, mind you, and you may not realise that you've been using the get rich fast mentality coz the most effective way to attract ppl is money and getting rich fast is a very useful term. Know urself, know d ppl u work with well, bla bla bla that's all required to do business and esp. marketing jobs like salesmen. You don't have to do mlm to learn these things. It's taught everywhere. In your school, your club projects, in your unis, how to get better GERKO marks, etc. Everywhere! MLM requires sign-up of ppl and what better way than saying that MLM is easy to do?

Yes, I may not get the job I like but I can be a lecturer for that subject. And who knows, I might be the next Zuckerberg? Or Steve Jobs? IT is growing fast in M'sia. If I score excellent CGPA in my course, I might be sent to overseas for further training where IT is a very big prospect. You can't post here if there's no IT. Look, if you like acting, don't care whether it's financially secure or not. If like that, then, who would do acting in M'sia? And acting is a very good prospect if you're really into it. If you're interested in something, go for it. For me, I've found my love - Software Engineering. And you've found yours - acting. wink.gif Trust me. That's why America is what it is today. The people are very diversed. They love singing, they do it. They love dancing, they do it. They love making computers, they do it. They aren't scared to try. And I don't know y u say I didn't separate interest and money. Wasn't I the one who said that no matter what you do, as long as you like it, you shouldn't care about the money? Isn't that separating interest and money?

If you're very good at something, there's no reason why you should fail to make money. And, to be very good at it, you need to have the interest.

So, lady, or whatever you are, do what you like to do. You might be the next Karen Mok or Michelle Yeoh. Or, you might create a legacy of your own. wink.gif Oh well, like I said, it's your choice if you wanna do score A but I don't recommend. Oh, and good luck in ur score A business. smile.gif Seriously, good luck, mate.
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Sorry to tell u that i am not doing Score A and i agree with u that it is a pyramid scheme ~~

1st, i was just wanna to point out that MLM is working in a pyramid system, and is it a scheme, must depend on the company since some like score A really a scheme.
why it must grow bigger ? cause u r laddering ... u are not in the same position anymore. of course , if u r no working in MLM , ur pyramid wont grow

2nd, i dunno what r others company and others team doing , but we wont promote get-rich-fast ..
and i always inform those who r interested that it is not easy to success in MLM , i let them compare whether is worth it or not to put in effort in MLM......
ya, we can learn those skill in other ways, i learn a lot of business skill from my 2nd job boss,

but when i apply it in my MLM ,then only i realise that the diff between theory and partical
MLM is a way that u can practise the skill u learn ... in business way

3rd.....ya, we might....i am fine with ur statement .....i am just wondering how many of us can really follow our mind to do what we want ?? If u have a very clear mind that u know what u want to do, who u want to be, ur target and the planning ..... go ahead , i fully support u.....
just when u are targetless, dare not to follow ur heart and all that , i will recommend u to have a try in NM /MLM since u may find urself back once u join.....
so far as i see ( may be very less) we work the job we dont like because of no choice, we are complaining each day about our job but why they r so less ppl dare to make a change ?
some may train themselve to make the job become their interest and hobby ...
i cant explain this point very clear here since i am still confuse about the changing of Dream~~

ya....i prefer and promote that we shouldn't too care about money ... we wont be happy if we did
but, this society is just too realistic ... when i explain this to a friend...she scold back that say , then u gv all ur money to me loh, u think u no need eat ah ?? >.< Sad case...

anyway, i am not that type of ppl u think .... those ego, think that all ppl must do MLM ( pls dont )
i just wanna see ppl find themselve in MLM , have correct mind-set and that all
if u got ur plan and u really plan it....go a head ....share to me if can ... i may join it if it is really a good plan ....
My interest ? I do it in another way , cause i dont like it to become Commercialize...since ppl will make use of U ~~
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