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worrytoomuch
post Mar 1 2013, 10:43 PM

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anyone tried the Kenshido program in UPSR? Can you share some coment?
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post Mar 1 2013, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(Ryperer @ Mar 24 2012, 09:05 AM)
Here's a real story of me -

15/9/2011 - A 20 years old nerd which is a hardcore gamer, earns about 1k a month through 8 hours of gaming each day.
17/9/2011 - Registered as a member of Kenshido/distributor of Score-A. My friend told me about this program, and soon as he finished talking I said 'Hey guys, come here, look at our friend, he got scammed in a pyramid-scheme business' and i lol-ed at him badly, but his face (he's never serious, suddenly he is) makes me went to listen fully about the program. I invested 2488 in this program, and got 5 portals.

During this time, I was still a :
shy person,
low confidence,
can't talk in group nor public due to shyness/low confidence,
a victim of bully,
a naive guy,
dependent to others,
lazy, no real future planning.

17/10/2011 - a month passed, I only got 1 downline which my upline puts under me, i invited about 20 people, all rejected me due to my own fault for not listening to my leaders. Income that I got = zero.

17/11/2011 - 2 of my leader died (quitted), I was left alone, I went to the office to find my higher upline, and he said words like -

'When we wish to learn, we ourselves search for our teachers'(that's what I'm doing)
'This is your own business, don't blame anyone if you fail'(Yeah, true)
'Don't beg to people who aren't willing'(Yeah, there's many others who's looking for this kind of oppurtunity)
and many more that inspired me, somehow it felt very different, cause before this I was in a group of friends who would always say stuffs like :

Hey! lets play DOTA!
Hey! Lets go mamak!
Hey *****! you're Noob!
studying? nerd!
wow look at that car! i wanna buy that car!(dunno when, dreamers, just like me)
wow! hot chicks! lets hit them! (cheap guys)
and many more that makes me never think about the future, everyday same stuffs =.=


9/12/2012
- I started to noticed drastic changes in myself, especially in my way of thinking and confidence level. I finally got over my investment, which I made 3k on this month by sponsoring 6 people(which I never recognized before, met them at restaurant table).

January 2012
- My income is still the same, was hoping it would get higher, but it stay constant due to my weak management(still learning). Last time i talked in preview, my body vibrated like a phone, but now I got better, I can finally talk in public with confidence biggrin.gif!

February 2012 - I made 7k this month due to the help of my co-leaders which is really loyal to me, and now I got 3 times higher income than my big upline, the one I mention earlier on 17/11/2011.

March 2012 - My mom finally got to know I did this business, suprisingly she quits her job and ask me to support her a bit, now I got to look after her which makes me feel happy, cause all her life I've never did anything for her. My income this month stays the same cause of some drastic changes in my group.

What I wanna say is, I was really skeptical and got no future, but after I joined and learn how to think positively, It really changes my life, from my opinion, in whatever business you're doing, if you got a positive mind, I'm sure you'll do great, but for me Score-A is the best platform smile.gif. If you want any guide, just sms me at 012-6157143 ^^.
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Hey,
i want to know how this program users comment? have you tried UPSR program? how is it? Especially BM karangan and Chinese composition, how they mark and is there any sample of those marked papers?
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post Mar 4 2013, 01:06 AM

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this bullshit gotta end..how long more they want to bluff those innocent people..but then..those who joined was first driven by greed..not how good the product is..i hope u got ur investment bck..if not oh well..first world problem it is..dupe
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post Mar 4 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(hZa23 @ Mar 4 2013, 01:06 AM)
this bullshit gotta end..how long more they want to bluff those innocent people..but then..those who joined was first driven by greed..not how good the product is..i hope u got ur investment bck..if not oh well..first world problem it is..dupe
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i want to know how this program users comment? have you tried UPSR program? how is it? Especially BM karangan and Chinese composition, how they mark and is there any sample of those marked papers?
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QUOTE(myKooKteam @ Nov 29 2012, 03:20 PM)
Am still deciding whether to put my kid through this Score A program, but will not join to do the business. My concern is if there will be repercussion, will the child become too dependent or reliant on the system? Once they come out to the real world, and if there hit problems, there will be no buttons to click to look for the answers.
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i want to know how this program users comment? have you tried UPSR program? how is it? Especially BM karangan and Chinese composition, how they mark and is there any sample of those marked papers?
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post Oct 6 2013, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(worrytoomuch @ Mar 4 2013, 12:17 PM)
i want to know how this program users comment? have you tried UPSR program? how is it? Especially BM karangan and Chinese composition, how they mark and is there any sample of those marked papers?
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I had used it before and it actually cost you nothing.No written exercise inside and the exercise inside is available on many reference sold in the market.As you know,for most of the children,when you ask them to do exercise,they will instead playing games when you didn't noticed them!My advice that it is more worth for your children to attend tuition or just buy some reference books for your children.Furthermore,the exercise inside the portal can be easily outdated!If you want it,you can directly get the syllabus from the lecturer or examiner who wrote this programme,they are from USM.
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No matter Skor A, E education or what name they use, they are all under Kenshido international, the main company.

Like any other MLM, the product itself does not worth that much, that's why people are earning so much from it.

Scam or not, I would say those who willing will get the bait.
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post Feb 7 2014, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(BlackWoods @ Feb 7 2014, 01:21 PM)
No matter Skor A, E education or what name they use, they are all under Kenshido international, the main company.

Like any other MLM, the product itself does not worth that much, that's why people are earning so much from it.

Scam or not, I would say those who willing will get the bait.
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Skor A is not under Kenshido, it was a replica created by a group of people to compete with Score A from Kenshido. Get your facts right before shooting a company to not look s2pid. I will not go into detail on who were they, what they did nor what happen to them.

This post has been edited by Azurika: Feb 7 2014, 02:05 PM
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post Nov 16 2015, 01:43 AM

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Hello everyone,

I have just had an encounter with Kenshido downline and this MLM/pyramid scheme and i just wanted to share my experience.

First off, i saw an ad for online educator job. Curiously i called up the number, sure enough i got a pretty warm reception from a man named Jackson (changed name to hide identity) . All was going off well and i was pretty ambiguous about the job. He sent a location to the Kenshido HQ and told me to meet him there. I wanted to know more and of course to see how the pay would be like.

One day before the 'meeting' ( as he called it ) i got a call and he rescheduled the location to Mcdonalds in KL. In my mind i was like " what in the?...." but i tried to compromise and said sure no problem.

The day arrived and i reached 30 mins before the agreed time. I had something quick to eat and Jackson walked in with a lady friend. He sat down and we were all smiles, turns out we were all the same age, 19, so the vibe was pretty relaxed.

Here's where it started to go downhill, he started explaining Kenshido and the way the product is.
Let me just pinpoint what he told me and what was written in the power point he then shown me.
>Kenshido had a RM5 million investment to build
>it's supported by some professor(?)
> it has a book thicker than the bible worth of testimonials which they failed to procure for me
>there is no competitor in Malaysia
>it took them 6-8 years to develop before releasing ( correct me on this but the explanations were very rugged)

One thing lead to another he went on to his final slide and he sat up straight. He then showed me a slide which had three categories shown and had a quotation of RM under them from 980, 1500 , 12000 and so on.

It was for starting capital?

I immediately felt quite taken back, first i bombarded them with questions.
Here is what i asked.
> Would you think Khan Academy is a pretty decent competitor when you consider how well built it is compared to yours ( i understand they don't follow the malaysian system. I'll get more onto this)
>why do i need to pay capital if i wanted a job as an online educator???
>so it took 5 mil to build this? Where has all the money been put in then? The website? it looks terrible. The interface is ugly, aesthetically and by first impression how do you want me to believe it has been backed by a 5 million investment??
>Isn't this a pyramid scheme (let me get into this later)
>Who does the questions for your website? Are they just taken from past years? Why do i see the same flow chart from my textbook under your notes? Who really are producing these questions/answer schemes/formats
>Who is in charge ?

Lets just say i got into a pretty heated debate with these two in front of me.

They said no khan academy not competitor because they don't use malaysia syllabus.
-I'm trying to explain i used khan academy to study math sciences and concepts
They say i got the wrong idea for the title of the job
->?????????????????????????????????????
They said its all been put in over the years to develop and whatnot
-i wasn't really satisfied with this answer
They confidently SAID NO that it isn't a pyramid scheme
-i then asked then how would you define a pyramid scheme? They couldn't answer but are aware there are illegal undertones with it
They said its from the local Universities
-i got really confused? Why would the Unis mess with high school syllabus??????
They said Kenshido was in charge
-face palm

After really getting into an argument about how ridiculous this is, using click bait to lure someone to come meet them just because they are trying to chase their quota. I got pretty mad because i drove from Shah Alam to meet them at some Mcdonald's for their convenience and ends up its a totally different thing. They should have mentioned about this on the phone. It was kinda like being offered a job as a starting engineer but you're given a job as a stripper because you get 'paid' more so no harm right??? They insisted that the title(online educator) should be overlooked and this is an opportunity bla bla bla.

At the end of it, i got really angry and politely excused myself then left.


Thinking about it right now i guess i shouldn't been so hard on those guys because its a bad economy and they're genuinely trying to make a buck or two

However what i am trying to say here after is the that it's not that bad a business plan.
Doing a little research, pyramid schemes are illegal fundamentally because its unsustainable. Why?
Because you're constantly putting pressure on the number of people available to spread the product, eventually you'll run out of people and the people at the bottom will suffer because by laws of exponential there is only so many people the capital can flow in from.
I don't really see Kenshido having this problem because the starting capital is not on the scale that will bankrupt people so i can see how it can still go on considering it's only about a month worth of work(rm980) almost any student after spm can make this. So people who have a silver tongue and killing charisma can really prosper from this.
I however do not recommend this if you're desperate for money because your investment is not a guaranteed a return if you are unlucky or incapable of bringing yourself to do what these two clowns did to me.
Overall don't judge this MLM/pyramid scheme too quickly but take it with a grain of salt. If you ask me the man who started this is a genius ( some italian i think ) and i respect innovation enough to say " hey if it works don't fix it".
However i don't advocate how shady this kind of marketing is and therefore would not recommend this. From what i have gathered on just innocent observation i would say that work hard at a career and it'll pay off eventually. This is not that fulfilling a career. But hey whatever floats your boat.


Last point however is at the product itself. After taking a quick look of the kenshido/score A i can say its not that great... but not totally useless. The thing is the information there you could get from books and other resources. When learning math or sciences its hard to replace a tutor because when analytical reasoning its always easy to mistake certain concepts.
Imagine if people used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe and the ignorance came from the fact that it seem like it made sense to people at that time. It can happen to a child who is figuring concepts on their own based on just answer schemes, the concepts can easily be misconstrued and really hurt a chain of reasonings. Apply that to easiest hypothetical situation. I can see it be pretty helpful tho for subjects that require less reasoning like Moral or Sejarah where it's memorize and write. Sure it seems pretty useful until you see the price point of rm500++ when you just get the material from rm10+ book from any generic bookstore.

Besides using the computer to study doesn't make the education more modern or up to date, top Unis in the world still rely on world class lecturers, expensive text books and photostated material to transfer knowledge to some group of genius students. Imagine just cause you sugar coat knowledge with the term computerized and suddenly the syllabus starts to spell out A+, it doesn't work that way. Peers that i see go to great universities all use the old and tried method of listening, notes and discipline. I hope people don't forget the tool is only as sharp as the mind so if your child is not doing well any kind of computerized complement at SPM/PT3/UPSR level will just be ineffective.

All and all i still think that it that what Kenshido is doing is not hurting anyone. It is afterall a CHOICE and people should respect it and not be too critical, how we all view something is always different but it's most important to hold up ethically.

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QUOTE(iannntee @ Nov 16 2015, 01:43 AM)
Hello everyone,

I have just had an encounter with Kenshido downline and this MLM/pyramid scheme and i just wanted to share my experience.

First off, i saw an ad for online educator job. Curiously i called up the number, sure enough i got a pretty warm reception from a man named Jackson (changed name to hide identity) . All was going off well and i was pretty ambiguous about the job. He sent a location to the Kenshido HQ and told me to meet him there. I wanted to know more and of course to see how the pay would be like.

One day before the 'meeting' ( as he called it ) i got a call and he rescheduled the location to Mcdonalds in KL. In my mind i was like " what in the?...." but i tried to compromise and said sure no problem.

The day arrived and i reached 30 mins before the agreed time. I had something quick to eat and Jackson walked in with a lady friend. He sat down and we were all smiles, turns out we were all the same age, 19, so the vibe was pretty relaxed.

Here's where it started to go downhill, he started explaining Kenshido and the way the product is.
Let me just pinpoint what he told me and what was written in the power point he then shown me.
>Kenshido had a RM5 million investment to build
>it's supported by some professor(?)
> it has a book thicker than the bible worth of testimonials which they failed to procure for me
>there is no competitor in Malaysia
>it took them 6-8 years to develop before releasing ( correct me on this but the explanations were very rugged)

One thing lead to another he went on to his final slide and he sat up straight. He then showed me a slide which had three categories shown and had a quotation of RM under them from 980, 1500 , 12000 and so on.

It was for starting capital?

I immediately felt quite taken back, first i bombarded them with questions.
Here is what i asked.
> Would you think Khan Academy is a pretty decent competitor when you consider how well built it is compared to yours ( i understand they don't follow the malaysian system. I'll get more onto this)
>why do i need to pay capital if i wanted a job as an online educator???
>so it took 5 mil to build this? Where has all the money been put in then? The website? it looks terrible. The interface is ugly, aesthetically and by first impression how do you want me to believe it has been backed by a 5 million investment??
>Isn't this a pyramid scheme (let me get into this later)
>Who does the questions for your website? Are they just taken from past years? Why do i see the same flow chart from my textbook under your notes? Who really are producing these questions/answer schemes/formats
>Who is in charge ?

Lets just say i got into a pretty heated debate with these two in front of me.

They said no khan academy not competitor because they don't use malaysia syllabus.
-I'm trying to explain i used khan academy to study math sciences and concepts
They say i got the wrong idea for the title of the job
->?????????????????????????????????????
They said its all been put in over the years to develop and whatnot
-i wasn't really satisfied with this answer
They confidently SAID NO that it isn't a pyramid scheme
-i then asked then how would you define a pyramid scheme? They couldn't answer but are aware there are illegal undertones with it
They said its from the local Universities
-i got really confused? Why would the Unis mess with high school syllabus??????
They said Kenshido was in charge
-face palm

After really getting into an argument about how ridiculous this is, using click bait to lure someone to come meet them just because they are trying to chase their quota. I got pretty mad because i drove from Shah Alam to meet them at some Mcdonald's for their convenience and ends up its a totally different thing. They should have mentioned about this on the phone. It was kinda like being offered a job as a starting engineer but you're given a job as a stripper because you get 'paid' more so no harm right??? They insisted that the title(online educator) should be overlooked and this is an opportunity bla bla bla.

At the end of it, i got really angry and politely excused myself then left.
Thinking about it right now i guess i shouldn't been so hard on those guys because its a bad economy and they're genuinely trying to make a buck or two

However what i am trying to say here after is the that it's not that bad a business plan.
Doing a little research, pyramid schemes are illegal fundamentally because its unsustainable. Why?
Because you're constantly putting pressure on the number of people available to spread the product, eventually you'll run out of people and the people at the bottom will suffer because by laws of exponential there is only so many people the capital can flow in from.
I don't really see Kenshido having this problem because the starting capital is not on the scale that will bankrupt people so i can see how it can still go on considering it's only about a month worth of work(rm980) almost any student after spm can make this. So people who have a silver tongue and killing charisma can really prosper from this.
I however do not recommend this if you're desperate for money because your investment is not a guaranteed a return if you are unlucky or incapable of bringing yourself to do what these two clowns did to me.
Overall don't judge this MLM/pyramid scheme too quickly but take it with a grain of salt. If you ask me the man who started this is a genius ( some italian i think ) and i respect innovation enough to say " hey if it works don't fix it".
However i don't advocate how shady this kind of marketing is and therefore would not recommend this. From what i have gathered on just innocent observation i would say that work hard at a career and it'll pay off eventually. This is not that fulfilling a career. But hey whatever floats your boat.
Last point however is at the product itself. After taking a quick look of the kenshido/score A i can say its not that great... but not totally useless. The thing is the information there you could get from books and other resources. When learning math or sciences its hard to replace a tutor because when analytical reasoning its always easy to mistake certain concepts.
Imagine if people used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe and the ignorance came from the fact that it seem like it made sense to people at that time.  It can happen to a child who is figuring concepts on their own based on just answer schemes, the concepts can easily be misconstrued and really hurt a chain of reasonings. Apply that to easiest hypothetical situation. I can see it be pretty helpful tho for subjects that require less reasoning like Moral or Sejarah where it's memorize and write. Sure it seems pretty useful until you see the price point of rm500++ when you just get the material from rm10+ book from any generic bookstore.

Besides using the computer to study doesn't make the education more modern or up to date, top Unis in the world still rely on world class lecturers, expensive text books and photostated material to transfer knowledge to some group of genius students. Imagine just cause you sugar coat knowledge with the term computerized and suddenly the syllabus starts to spell out A+, it doesn't work that way. Peers that i see go to great universities all use the old and tried method of listening, notes and discipline. I hope people don't forget the tool is only as sharp as the mind so if your child is not doing well any kind of computerized complement at SPM/PT3/UPSR level will just be ineffective.

All and all i still think that it that what Kenshido is doing is not hurting anyone. It is afterall a CHOICE and people should respect it and not be too critical, how we all view something is always different but it's most important to hold up ethically.
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Thanks for sharing your experience with this, it's really quite eye opening
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Now it costs rm916 for first year, then 816 following year onwards..

QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Jul 25 2009, 02:13 AM)
--This is not an MLM promotion thread. I heard about this "business" from someone I know and I would like some input from forummers here on whether this business model is legit, or it's just another one of those concealed Ponzi-Pyramid schemes.--

Today while at dinner with a few people I know, I came upon a discussion for something called Score-A by a company called Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd.

Resource:
1. http://www.score-a.com.my/
2. http://www.skor-a.com.my/
3. http://www.kenshido.com/

From what I understand by the explanations I got, it seems like a destined-to-collapse pyramid scheme to me. I'll try explaining it here. Any information on this "business" would be very much appreciated.

**Again, this is NOT a promotion for an MLM/Pyramid/Ponzi business**

The Product
Okay so from what I understand, Kenshido has developed a online education program. Basically what this program does is that, you have an account with Score-A and you can log in to do question papers for subjects thought in schools. It's just like how people used to do questions on revision books, but it's online. Also this web application has a number of features, it does grading for the online exams, sends the scores to the child's parents via SMS and so on.

In my opinion, this online exam thing is nothing beyond what an ordinary Multimedia University (MMU) student from the Faculty of Information Technology (FIT) can do for their Final Year Projects.

Kenshido makes money, I guess, through the subscription fee which you have to pay for the Score-A account, which is insanely expensive.

The Business
Alright, now for the business part which is the fishy part.

Normally when a legit company creates this kind of software with the legit intention to improve education while making some profit from it, the company would try to engage the government, schools, tuition centres and parents. They would also sell CDs and DVDs for the account and other apps through prominent bookstores like Popular, MPH and Kinokunia.

However, this Kenshido seems to have taken what I think is an MLM approach for distributing and selling it's Score-A product. As I understand it, this is how it works:

*quick notes:
Kenshido calls what we know as web accounts as "Portals"
Kenshido calls what we know as account subscription extension as "Top Up"
Figures such as prices are rough figures, I can't remember the exact amount.
Error on my part is +/- RM50 for all except profit calculation where error is +/- RM300


- You invest about RM1780.00 in a 5-account pack of Score-A
- You find 5 people to sell these accounts to for about RM620.00 each, which gives the buyer 6-months validity (only!!)
- If you manage to sell all 5, your profit would be: Profit = Revenue - Cost = (RM620.00 x 5) - RM1780 = RM1320
- After 6-months, the buyer will have to buy an extension, which is another RM200++ (yeah... not joking)
- When your buyers pay to extend, you earn commission

Additionally, you can recruit other sellers too, who like you will buy 5-account packs and resell it to others, and you earn commission too when they buy the 5-account packs (I think... not so sure also). And then each of your recruited sellers will recruit more sellers and the pyramid grows la... Apparently the target is to get 14 "generation" or layers of recruits under you, which will apparently help you earn RM1192.00 per day.

The Fishy-ness
1. The pyramid keeps growing at a rapid rate. Not only do you need more sellers, each of these sellers need to sell the accounts to other users (parents of school-children).

2. Since the product is an e-learning, online examination thing, access to computer WITH internet connection is vital. The number of households in Malaysia with school-going children which has a computer with internet connection and parents who are tech-aware is very small compared to the population. Basically, the pie isn't very big, just look at Malaysia's broadband penetration rate, and subtract out all families without school-going children and all families who can't afford about RM800/year on a bunch of online test papers, which you can get in print for like RM12 from Popular.

3. The pricing of the product itself is extremely high for such a simple application. It's unjustifiable for most middle-to-low-income parents to fork out hundreds of Ringgit just for a system that puts exam questions online and lets parents see the results of the child's performance through SMS and other means. It's much better to just buy a few exam question books from Popular Bookstore and let the child do it and mark the questions once the child is done. Also doing it on paper allows for better simulation of a real exam, rather than clicking answers on a screen.

4. For a company that is trying to promote their product in a genuine way, I don't see why they need to resort to MLM methods to promote their product. MLM methods serves only to tarnish the brand name of the product and company.

The Question
Does anybody here have any experiences with Skor-A or Kenshido International Sdn. Bhd.? Please do share your knowledge here.

Also, anyone know how to verify if this is a legit business? I see MLM schemes becoming more and more sophisticated nowadays, I don't know if the current Malaysian laws are keeping up with this.
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Yet to collapse?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4388083
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QUOTE(kaiskarnz @ Aug 18 2017, 10:45 AM)
Hi. The link doesnt work. Sorry bumping up old thread

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