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post Aug 23 2010, 05:45 PM

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Hi guys i just joined Kenshido ScoreA marketing business plan for 3 weeks time & i get back my capital already so the next step is i will guide my downline to get back their hard earn money also indirectly i will get some my hard afford bonus reward rclxms.gif . why kenshido able to pay out that high commission ? becos their company only do maintenance in one product & no need that high expenses to keep maintain it. so thats why kenshido make a words say "Your Dream Our Vision" this mean we working with each other, u promote his product he give u money. its fair right ? there is no money will drop from sky such things. what u pay what u get. biggrin.gif

i saw some ppls say "good things no need to promote" ??? hahahaa.....if u still live in 20years back then that might be works. in current generation if u do same way then u slow slow wait to sale ur product. im sure will get famous in one day of ur product just that the matter of time when can be that popular. icon_rolleyes.gif

we live in bullet world now everythings have to act fast, u slow u will be left behind. brows.gif

why others company can do mlm business by then why kenshido cant do ? yet this product is another tools good for education such a big market in malaysia.

so i hope i wont get shoot by u guys becos of my statement rclxm9.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 07:33 AM

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well everthings that with product sure is sales n involve with Business. once in business sure related with money. so started with money then u can earning commission money as a reward. smile.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(southern_tiger @ Aug 24 2010, 01:32 PM)

the above person who is big loser of our generation doh.gif  should know something before he/she give such a statement...

Article about Founder of Microsoft:
Network Marketing Training- Bill Gate’s Success Training for Graduates

even one of world's richest man is talking about importance of MLM. why can't we accept the fact. If you born as a poor guy, its not your fault but if you die as a poor guy, it is purely your mistake. For you kind information, this company came out with such a marketing plan jz 3 years ago but the product in the market for more than 10 years. Think before you speak out and speak with facts.
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well said man !!!! i raise my hand & leg to totally agree with u. well.......we cant force them also, that is his/her choice. all depend on their self decision. he/she want to change it or just staying. tongue.gif

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post Aug 25 2010, 06:56 AM

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QUOTE(ckson11 @ Aug 24 2010, 07:49 PM)
Hi, I am using the scoreA program a.k.a ScoreA e-Learning. Now im facing some problem. Firstly , after I log in to my scoreA account, there are two choices , 1 is e Examination hall and another is i-Teacher. I can't find the ENTER button for the i-Teacher .So, until now i still haven't get to learn from i-Teacher. Secondly, i have already sent the message to scoreA for the e-Report card through Hand phone but it doesn't reply back and when i have done with those exercises / exam by using ScoreA program, it doesn't send anything to me. I feel like i am wasting my money and time. Does anyone know how to solve this prob? Thanks
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I have been checked to ur problem i found nothings wrong with the login with I-Teacher. by the way any of problem u facing u can e-mail them directly & they will guide u.
Kenshido International Sdn Bhd
Wisma Kenshido, No 1-1, 1-2, 1-3,Jalan PJU 5/6, Dataran Sunway PJU 5,
47810 Kota Damansara, Petaling Jaya, Selangor Malaysia.
Tel: 603-6141 8286 (Hunting Line) Fax:603-6141 8126, 6141 8136
Website: http://www.kenshido.com / www.scorea.com
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post Aug 25 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(ralphaell @ Aug 25 2010, 06:19 PM)
score A cannot do 1 trust me.......100 people only 4-5 can success.....now all my downline all expired....trust me dont listen to your frenz who asked you to join....is totally bullshit....once you join they disappear/dont want care about you adi......and now even worst...from Rm596 to Rm796 for ebiz and so on for others packages.....is totally up to you den...this is my point of view...cheers smile.gif
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lolzz.......it might happen to those expire becos of sitting on there waiting the durian drop down. hahahaaa......hey man this world there is no such free lunch. what u work n what u get then. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 26 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(brandonleow @ Aug 26 2010, 02:19 AM)
this is still MLM... been through it.. done it.. wasted my time and money...
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if u really put afford on MLM u will be successful easily. many ppls i saw many of them have no Patience work on it & die in the half way. smile.gif
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post Aug 27 2010, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(cuebiz @ Aug 26 2010, 08:32 PM)
You should know not everyone will be successful even you put in effort. You may want to prove me wrong by showing your own success rather than talk about other people
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im not success (yet). but i got confident to be success. at least i got improvement to my current result. i Believe i can make it. always keep in Positive mind set.

why bare in mind at 1st u will not 100% success even u put in effort ??? biggrin.gif the same things u work in ur currently day job why u not think that 2moro will i get fire by ur boss suddenly or next month or next year ? wink.gif


Added on August 27, 2010, 8:15 am
QUOTE(ralphaell @ Aug 26 2010, 10:49 PM)
super agree with cuebiz haha
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someone fail in success must be have a reason at behind. have to learn what things that make u cant suscess. rclxms.gif



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post Aug 27 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(den @ Aug 27 2010, 02:26 PM)
Wow. Many new joiners just to discuss about this Score-A program.

I have nothing against this program, but some people might prefer another method of earning money.

I tried the demo of the education portal, I would not recommend it. Personal opinion only. Maybe old people prefer traditional way. =P
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Student Score A tongue.gif
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post Aug 30 2010, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 06:12 AM)
My wife is a teacher, and was introduced to this program by our Sister in law, whose primary focus is making money off this program. Problem is, the score A system teaches kids how to pick answers, not how to pick correct answers. It doesn't tell you why the answer is wrong, just that it's wrong.

Unless parents are willing to sit beside them and discuss why the answer is wrong, students won't learn. At the very least, when latih tubi are done in school, teachers would discuss the answers and at least they learn something.

This is not online learning - where you are taught - just doing exercises on a computer screen.

With the state of students today - I wouldn't put pass it that one student will complain that he only know how to use score-A system, and not the pencil to answer the exam.
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errmm.....what make ppls expect this Score A programme will take over teacher & tuition center ?? this Score A programme is another TOOLS doing exercises for OUTPUT learning. this programme cannot replace teacher INPUT learning. so guys must understanding with the OUTPUT & INPUT. Score A only handle the OUTPUT & teacher will be handle the INPUT learning. Score A just a enhance tools for those student to produce their INPUT from teacher. smile.gif



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post Aug 30 2010, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Well, I don't know, maybe the thick, glossy endorsement by hundreds of student claiming that they SCORE-A in their exams because of Score-A?

well, those endorsement by the student which is just apart of it to prove that its work when u using it, ofcos not all student can be success Score A. it have to depend on the student how they use it. perhaps we can say it discipline as i say this is only a tools that can help them to get improvement. same things as sent them to tuition center is another tools to get them can have improvement right ? hope u get what i mean here. " Is Not A Matter What You Have but Is The Matter How You Use It"

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Maybe the way Score-A card seller is promoting their wares, such as "Why waste time tuition, petrol money some more and all, just Score A mah..."

Well, this is the personal way to talking tongue.gif . if me i would say dont waste your money when u donno which subject is the weakness on your kids, with score A programme u can easy know it which subject & monitor it just only few clicks & it wont spend so much time as parent say they always busy on the career, parent not help their kids who else can help ?

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
None of the brochure and materials I got even put a disclaimer about the input or output thing, and believe me, before score A came around, teachers have been putting kids with CD-ROMS asking them to do exercises similar to score A. The reason why they stopped?

Well, as i know your wife is teacher right ? i believe she can understand why they stop it. do u know how hard to seek Question & Answer for those student to do excise ? i even got go this issue from my fren. his wife is doing tuition centre. once come with monthly test or weekly test his wife prepare it until late mid nite always & many books on the table to do reference. such a hard work. this info is get from him to share with me. once i introduce this Score A product he very happy with it becos his wife can safe alot time to do preparation for the test.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Is because some subjects being taught today can't use score A at all. Essays? Karangan? Mathematical problem solving, where you have to show your work? Why do you think exam papers now come in two parts, the objective (pray you get some right) and subjective (if you don't study, no amount of prayer will help you). More failed the subjective part, and you should see some of the answers being put there.

Well, yes i agree with u at this part Score A programme cant replace it. thats why i say this is the another tools Score A take (subjective) & another tools is for teacher (objective) to do with it. from here we can c the picture of "Input" & "Output" learning tools.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Maybe there is a noble cause, initially for score A. But like most products and programs, when you mix money in it, coupled with selling language, you are just causing boatloads of trouble. My wife's school gave FREE TUITION for UPSR students, yet only half turn up, among those whose parents said "too busy, he do score a at home."

Well, sometime with those FREE things they always wont appreciate it, i only can say that is their own choice.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
It's simple for me. If score-A existed prior to the whole MLM thing, they should just go to the ministry, and say we develop this, please do this to complement teaching at school. But because they want to untung ---- MLM! And you get selling languages. Worse part is if the parents believe in score A's spiel, and scold their children for failing score A's test. Can score A come out and identify the student's weakness?

Well, maybe u can login to kenshido.com look for the how many of malaysia ministry had been endorsement of this Score A product. as i say it again School is "INPUT" learning. Score A is "Output" learning we cant mix up with this two category. for example student is a cup of glass. teacher fill the water into the cup of glass. if the student dont drink the water how the student can get another refill water from teacher ? the water will over flow when teacher keeping fill in water to the glass of cup right ? im here not to against anythings n also not becos of untung duit. what i share all is the Fact. year 2000 is ICT world started. everyone out there is starting do their business on ICT. all country is start changing right do we malaysia still want to sit there n still looking around with it ? i believe that malaysia school will bring pen drive go to school in future instead of bring thousand tonne of books. thumbup.gif as my research i know with this kind of programme is FREE using in others country in few years back becos their government provide it. why our government cant do it ? i also no idea about it. tongue.gif

im here say sorry ya if i do mistake or being rude. i also not sale product in here becos im from sarawak cool2.gif



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post Sep 29 2010, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Sep 25 2010, 03:59 PM)
anybody here who actually earned from this score-a mlm?
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yes i do earn it but not much so far is about 2k++ on my 1st month rclxms.gif
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post Oct 3 2010, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(QSR10 @ Sep 30 2010, 11:07 AM)
score-a quite expensive.

my son school use zoom-a
http://www.zoom-a.com/
quite cheap and reasonable. not mlm at all.
rm10/year
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try to compare with those features biggrin.gif
try to compare with the support Ministry Of Education rclxms.gif

only after u compare all the programmed system then u will know which one is expensive. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Sep 30 2010, 11:42 AM)
Look.

For parents out there whose children's report card don't really look all that good, please, before you subject your children to more tution and score-a, zoom-a, whatever a lah, please, please have a talk with your children's teacher.

More often than not, its not about not having enough exercise, Its because they have other issues that teachers have identified, and are ready and willing to share with you, if you are willing to meet with them.

Don't become part of the problem. Don't come and attack the teacher, just because you think they are wrong. Examples, Bigshots, Bigwigsm, Uni professors - My son can't be that stupid! I'm a uni lecturer for god's sake! You are teaching him wrong (Note : Teacher's are not supposed to teach algebra to standard 2 students.) Put him in Class A, instead of H - You are ruining my rep here.

Or they have other issues (Bully, or crime related, or maybe they just don't like your boyfriend/girlfriend, or addicted to something - not just drugs, card games, yugioh).

Don't simply assume that his/her problem with her grades could be solved by Score A, Zoom A, AA, AAA, Whatever A.
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yes u r right. there is three factor here. Student, Parent, Teacher. this three have to communicate for sure. without one of the part will not make any progress out.

everyone out there try to dont mis-understanding with the "score A". this system is NOT to do with the Replacement of Teacher or Parent. Score A system just a "Tools" to help Teacher & Parent. Score A just a "output learning tools" if without Teacher produce "input learning" how the student produce "output" ??? do more practice become more expert. do u agree with this ? Score A just a method to let student do to more practice at home.

if the Score A program not effective at all why our ministry keep endorsement to that program ??? why this product can stand 11 years until now ??? actually this kind of method learning for student in other country already 20years back use it. now only malaysia start using & yet still many of them not accept the fact. do u believe in future student will bring USB pen drive to school instead of bring tonne of books ???

if u say the Score A program is expensive. $2.20 per/day for one children is that expensive ? how much a glass of kopi-o or kopi or soft drinks ???? $2.20 can let ur child get improvement in learning why not ??? if the parent wont care about their child then i have nothings to say.


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:53 amHave a read with this testimony from a top principal in malaysia.


pengiktirafan khas 6p score a programme ™ , oleh pengetua cemerlang malaysia
puan rokiah hj alias
mantan pengetua kolej tunku kurshiah, negeri sembilan

1. PELENGKAP kepada sistem pendidikan di Malaysia
2. PEMANTAUAN oleh ibu dan ayah - Wujud hubungan komunikasi 3 hala di antara Ibu bapa, Pelajar & Guru
3. "PRIME TIME" - Waktu yang optimum pelajar untuk mengulangkaji pelajaran adalah berbeza bagi setiap pelajar
4. PENGURUSAN MASA - Pelajar akan dibiasakan dengan sistem pengurusan masa sendiri untuk bersedia menghadapi peperiksaan.
5. PEMANGKIN - Pelajar akan sentiasa meningkatkan prestasi mereka setiap masa sebelum masa peperiksaan sebenar
6. "PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL BONDING" - Secara psikologi, pelajar akan mendapat hubungan emosi lebih rapat dengan Ibu Ayah yang boleh membantu mereka untuk lebih berjaya.


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:55 amhere is the info source from----> http://www.intelekniaga.com/pengiktirafan.php

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post Oct 4 2010, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Oct 4 2010, 09:01 PM)
lol. who is score a or zoom a user here?
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i am the Score A user & business partner ! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Oct 5 2010, 12:30 PM)
i see. tell me how much u earn
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i have four downline so far & i earn Rm2,580. rclxms.gif
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post Oct 27 2010, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(unique~ @ Oct 27 2010, 01:34 PM)
I went to the preview last night on this Score-A program and i'm still thinking to go ahead or not because of the large sum of money invested in the beginning.

After reading every reply from this topic. Can I say that if this program does not market under MLM scheme, will it be more acceptable?
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actually this product u can choose the portal or the business. it depend on yourself. if u choose the portal then just use the score a program just ignore the MLM scheme. the meaning say u can use the product without the MLM scheme.


Added on October 27, 2010, 11:34 pm
QUOTE(cuebiz @ Oct 27 2010, 09:07 PM)
If not under MLM, the package will be so much cheaper. If you can sell a lot of it, then you will make money from it.
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the cost is still remain same with or without MLM. it only cost Rm1.65 per/day for all the subject. meaning to say the business part is for free become a membership. if u dont introduce to other ppls then u get nothings but the program u still can use without the MLM business. once u introduce someone then they give u introduce fee to u. that is commission money just like u introduce a car or house then the owner will give u some kopi-o money. just simple like that only.

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post Oct 29 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Oct 27 2010, 11:52 PM)
And you're saying you actually "bought" a product you yourself is not using then ask other people to buy it from you or "introduce" someone who doesn't need the product to be under you with him also paying for something he doesn't need?

I'm little bit unclear as you are linking it to "introduction fee". Which what I know, if I introduce people to buy car or property from someone; I myself doesn't have to "pay" or "buy".  rclxub.gif
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ok, like my case for example i "bought" the product but i didnt use it becos my kids only 1 year old. so what im going to do with the product i "bought" ?? i can sale it to those who need it. what make me to "bought" the product which is i dont need it ? becos i want the "business", so from now onward i will keep "introduce" to others ppl about the product so that i can earn the "commission" money. hope this will make u not confuse. cool2.gif


eerrmmmmm.............ok i make it clear abit in here. the Product is cost Rm596 for 6 months using it. by then u will be giving one account FREE as a membership. is that clear for u ?? which mean with or without the FREE one account membership of the product cost itself is Rm596. becos i already mention that account is FREE. there is no add up cost of the product. smile.gif

the FREE account will be expire after 3 months if u inactive or not introduce to others ppls. thats mean u wont get any cents commission. rclxms.gif


about the "introduce" which mean u r not the "owner". hahahaaa........ if u r the "owner" then u no need to "introduce". lets say im the "owner" of the house i want to sale it & u are my "introduce" to someone to buy my house then i will pay u "commission" for "introduce" someone to buy my house. thumbup.gif

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post Nov 3 2010, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(Jimmy87 @ Nov 2 2010, 08:59 PM)
I am one of the business partners in Score A, just to clear up for those who are confused about the packages prices offered. There are 3 types of package prices:

1. e-User: RM796.......................................1 user account

2. e-Partner/Enterpreneur: RM2488.............3 user accounts

3. e-Premium: RM6888...............................5 user accounts

A student (like myself tongue.gif) may choose to buy e-User since it is cheaper, and a working graduates may choose to buy the e-Partner and those who wants to play big, such as parents/teachers/etc etc may choose to buy e-Premium. Depends on the individual themselves. Any questions or anyone interested to join, can email me at nazmi_afiq_87@yahoo.com
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Hi Jimmy. let me rectify the package u mention it.


1. e-User Premium--------------RM796 1 account

2. e-Partner Premium-----------RM2488 3 accounts

3. e-Entrepreneur Premium----RM6888 5 accounts

those above package is one year usage & with I-teacher.

below this package is 6 months usage & without I-teacher

1. e-User Classic--------------RM596 1 account

2. e-Partner Classic-----------RM1788 3 accounts

3. e-Entrepreneur Classic----RM5548 5 accounts


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QUOTE(SkillsScrapper54 @ Nov 4 2010, 02:58 PM)
nope i don't blame you. i will ask (nicely) for proof of his property transaction to verify whether he actually bought or only renting the place. 

you cannot believe every single word coming out of MLM practitioners mouth. i always proceed with caution... and slowly.
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u also can buy it soon if your business run smoothly. just keep it up on the target. they can make it sure u would make it too. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(matjenin86 @ Nov 5 2010, 09:08 AM)
i would like to suggest that you use this score a programme to improve your english.
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Hi, Mr. Matjenin86
your english very good. how i wish can be like you write that good grammar english. i will take your advise. i will learn my english in "Score A" program. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(rubrubrub @ Nov 5 2010, 08:31 PM)
man, what an opportunist. Moreover, the more u talk about it the worse off score a's image is going to be.
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well..........actually im telling the truth. i accept all the fact comment from here. my mind is opened widely for everyone. the more comment i get the more knowledge im gaining. this is what i doing so far when i walk into Malaysia Business Society.


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