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 The Official Subwoofer Thread v2, Everything you need to know about bass!

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jchong
post Oct 11 2009, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Oct 11 2009, 06:35 PM)
Remove the door brows.gif

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If his is a dedicated room, then removing the door removes the seal also. Means sub has to work harder to pressurise the room because there is an opening now.


Added on October 11, 2009, 7:58 pm
QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Oct 11 2009, 07:25 PM)
So i would like to know whats a Subdude... biggrin.gif
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Google is your good friend... try searching for Subdude

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post Oct 11 2009, 08:47 PM

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that subdude is supposedly quite awesome based on user feedbacks... anyone know where to buy in My? or anything similar?
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Many thanks to bro anfieldude who came to my house to helped me calibrated my PB12NSD & my whole system notworthy.gif
sound much2 better now, tested with kungfu panda & iron man, can really feel the bass now... rclxm9.gif
make me wonder if using PB or PC ultra drool.gif
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post Oct 11 2009, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Oct 11 2009, 08:47 PM)
that subdude is supposedly quite awesome based on user feedbacks... anyone know where to buy in My? or anything similar?
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Yes, it does help to a certain level. Some shops are selling it. Price is abt RM290 range. I have one that is left in the room while waiting for new PC to sit on it tongue.gif
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post Oct 12 2009, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 11 2009, 07:55 PM)
If his is a dedicated room, then removing the door removes the seal also. Means sub has to work harder to pressurise the room because there is an opening now.


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Google is your good friend... try searching for Subdude
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I checked well how much it cost?
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post Oct 12 2009, 10:55 AM

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buy from where? wonder the nsd can fit
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM

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Dont need subdude, buy the AS EQ 1 la, one off solution. Dont need bass trap and whatever.

HTkaki came over my pad yday and help me calibrate my set with the inclusion of my new baby, the AS EQ 1..

Previously i was very sceptical that such product can work magic on the bass as i experienced very loose, muddy and boomy bass.. After setting up the As EQ 1, listening to bass was a different thing.. Tight, solid and clean bass..

As what both Ron and Htkaki say, after flicking the switch on and off a few times, i'm pretty sure my AS EQ 1's switch will be left 'on' AFAIK... Downside is, i'm still trying to adapt to certain scenes where the bass suddenly doesnt have the loud effect anymore (visible in transformers scene, the first scene "helicopter scene" and the airport "explosion scene")... Not boomy, and clean bass but stg's missing and that will be because of the near flat graph i assume..

Another thing to notice is that, after calibrating my set using the SPL meter, all my speakers (LCR, Surr & sub) trim were set to -9db sad.gif... Even setting to -12db trim on my AVR but still couldnt achieeve the 75db reference level on the SPL meter.. Probably HTkaki can shed some light on this and the solution..

But nevertheless, i think this AS EQ-1 has solved most of my bass problems biggrin.gif
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM)
Dont need subdude, buy the AS EQ 1 la, one off solution. Dont need bass trap and whatever.

HTkaki came over my pad yday and help me calibrate my set with the inclusion of my new baby, the AS EQ 1..

Previously i was very sceptical that such product can work magic on the bass as i experienced very loose, muddy and boomy bass.. After setting up the As EQ 1, listening to bass was a different thing.. Tight, solid and clean bass..

As what both Ron and Htkaki say, after flicking the switch on and off a few times, i'm pretty sure my AS EQ 1's switch will be left 'on' AFAIK... Downside is, i'm still trying to adapt to certain scenes where the bass suddenly doesnt have the loud effect anymore (visible in transformers scene, the first scene "helicopter scene" and the airport "explosion scene")... Not boomy, and clean bass but stg's missing and that will be because of the near flat graph i assume..

Another thing to notice is that, after calibrating my set using the SPL meter, all my speakers (LCR, Surr & sub) trim were set to -9db sad.gif... Even setting to -12db trim on my AVR but still couldnt achieeve the 75db reference level on the SPL meter.. Probably HTkaki can shed some light on this and the solution..

But nevertheless, i think this AS EQ-1 has solved most of my bass problems biggrin.gif
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:14 AM

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takda kaya but what to do, have to live on bread and rain water the next few months until bonus comes round tongue.gif
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM)
Dont need subdude, buy the AS EQ 1 la, one off solution. Dont need bass trap and whatever.

HTkaki came over my pad yday and help me calibrate my set with the inclusion of my new baby, the AS EQ 1..

Previously i was very sceptical that such product can work magic on the bass as i experienced very loose, muddy and boomy bass.. After setting up the As EQ 1, listening to bass was a different thing.. Tight, solid and clean bass..

As what both Ron and Htkaki say, after flicking the switch on and off a few times, i'm pretty sure my AS EQ 1's switch will be left 'on' AFAIK... Downside is, i'm still trying to adapt to certain scenes where the bass suddenly doesnt have the loud effect anymore (visible in transformers scene, the first scene "helicopter scene" and the airport "explosion scene")... Not boomy, and clean bass but stg's missing and that will be because of the near flat graph i assume..

Another thing to notice is that, after calibrating my set using the SPL meter, all my speakers (LCR, Surr & sub) trim were set to -9db sad.gif... Even setting to -12db trim on my AVR but still couldnt achieeve the 75db reference level on the SPL meter.. Probably HTkaki can shed some light on this and the solution..

But nevertheless, i think this AS EQ-1 has solved most of my bass problems biggrin.gif
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Good for you. I hope to be able to hear the difference of a EQ1 as well and see the difference in the waterfall charts.
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 11:08 AM)
Dont need subdude, buy the AS EQ 1 la, one off solution. Dont need bass trap and whatever.

HTkaki came over my pad yday and help me calibrate my set with the inclusion of my new baby, the AS EQ 1..

Previously i was very sceptical that such product can work magic on the bass as i experienced very loose, muddy and boomy bass.. After setting up the As EQ 1, listening to bass was a different thing.. Tight, solid and clean bass..

As what both Ron and Htkaki say, after flicking the switch on and off a few times, i'm pretty sure my AS EQ 1's switch will be left 'on' AFAIK... Downside is, i'm still trying to adapt to certain scenes where the bass suddenly doesnt have the loud effect anymore (visible in transformers scene, the first scene "helicopter scene" and the airport "explosion scene")... Not boomy, and clean bass but stg's missing and that will be because of the near flat graph i assume..

Another thing to notice is that, after calibrating my set using the SPL meter, all my speakers (LCR, Surr & sub) trim were set to -9db sad.gif... Even setting to -12db trim on my AVR but still couldnt achieeve the 75db reference level on the SPL meter.. Probably HTkaki can shed some light on this and the solution..
But nevertheless, i think this AS EQ-1 has solved most of my bass problems biggrin.gif
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That's most ppl will find it to be somewhat less oomph as there isn't any peak or 'artificial' bass anymore.

However, still need to get down to the dB issue. I suspect it could be due to the limited room size for the monstrous setup. Even trim to the lowest, still reading a crazy >80dB. Another headache is the 'ext in' on 876 unlike the easiness in Yamaha, Marantz and Denon.

Nvm, I'll seek help from HQ and we shall see to it soon wink.gif I bet it should sounds much better when we get it done properly wink.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 11:50 AM)
That's most ppl will find it to be somewhat less oomph as there isn't any peak or 'artificial' bass anymore.

However, still need to get down to the dB issue. I suspect it could be due to the limited room size for the monstrous setup. Even trim to the lowest, still reading a crazy >80dB. Another headache is the 'ext in' on 876 unlike the easiness in Yamaha, Marantz and Denon.

Nvm, I'll seek help from HQ and we shall see to it soon  wink.gif I bet it should sounds much better when we get it done properly wink.gif
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htkaki,

What is the 'ext in'?

The 876 mics are pretty accurate when setting trims, did u double check with the SPL meter? Shd not have needed much adjustment...
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:57 AM

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Checked. But strange enough. At 0dB, and at that trim, I can't get it lower. I have just use the SPL meter to calibrate mine a day before.

Could it be the limited room size?

Ext-in = Multi-channel input at the back of avr. I need to Front Left input to get it connected to EQ1 and from there, I can calibrate it. Can't.
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post Oct 12 2009, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 12 2009, 12:45 PM)
Good for you. I hope to be able to hear the difference of a EQ1 as well and see the difference in the waterfall charts.
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No prob bro, ur more than welcome to my home to test the diff.. I can say, the diff was quite huge, to my suprise....

Will keep in touch thru PM when ur coming down to KL bro... biggrin.gif


Added on October 12, 2009, 12:00 pm
QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 12:50 PM)
That's most ppl will find it to be somewhat less oomph as there isn't any peak or 'artificial' bass anymore.

However, still need to get down to the dB issue. I suspect it could be due to the limited room size for the monstrous setup. Even trim to the lowest, still reading a crazy >80dB. Another headache is the 'ext in' on 876 unlike the easiness in Yamaha, Marantz and Denon.

Nvm, I'll seek help from HQ and we shall see to it soon  wink.gif I bet it should sounds much better when we get it done properly wink.gif
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Lol, bro i believe it was due to the room size, perhaps.. Not due to the monstrous setup, me peasant only..

Oh yeah, i shud thank you bro for taking 5 hours of your time yday to calibrate and setup this thingy for me. Even Audyseey we ran it 3-4 times and its a pain in the a55 without the air con on rclxm9.gif

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post Oct 12 2009, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 12 2009, 11:52 AM)
htkaki,

What is the 'ext in'?

The 876 mics are pretty accurate when setting trims, did u double check with the SPL meter? Shd not have needed much adjustment...
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the 876 mic can be used with 875 receiver or not?
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post Oct 12 2009, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 12 2009, 11:59 AM)
No prob bro, ur more than welcome to my home to test the diff.. I can say, the diff was quite huge, to my suprise....
Wah, glad to know the EQ1 is so effective!

QUOTE(htkaki @ Oct 12 2009, 11:50 AM)
However, still need to get down to the dB issue. I suspect it could be due to the limited room size for the monstrous setup. Even trim to the lowest, still reading a crazy >80dB.
This is testing using the EQ1 test tone or the Onkyo's test tone? I believe hitting 75dB using the Onkyo test tone is possible right?

Maybe the EQ1 test tone is a -20dB signal instead of -30dB like in the Onkyo? Just speculating...


Added on October 12, 2009, 12:41 pm
QUOTE(mys_terious @ Oct 12 2009, 12:02 PM)
the 876 mic can be used with 875 receiver or not?
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I read somewhere that they are not interchangeable...

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Oct 12 2009, 12:02 PM)
the 876 mic can be used with 875 receiver or not?
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No. The cal curves used internally by Audyssey are different.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 12 2009, 01:02 PM)
No. The cal curves used internally by Audyssey are different.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Oct 12 2009, 12:40 PM)
Wah, glad to know the EQ1 is so effective!
This is testing using the EQ1 test tone or the Onkyo's test tone? I believe hitting 75dB using the Onkyo test tone is possible right?

Maybe the EQ1 test tone is a -20dB signal instead of -30dB like in the Onkyo? Just speculating...


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I read somewhere that they are not interchangeable...
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Yes, using 876's test tone since I can't get it to engage the ext-in.

The variance in test tone's dB won't be that too far off.
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post Oct 12 2009, 01:57 PM

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I'm still curious to find out about my rear surr speakers when the test tone is being sent to it; the flapping sound..

I wonder if its becaue of my Dali's ribbon tweeter or the driver is faulty..

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