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cks2k2
post May 5 2010, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(dokidoki @ May 5 2010, 04:46 PM)
erm..rm5k in malaysia wouldnt let you live pretty damn well~...as you most likely need to get a car..i dont think PG public is as convenient as SG...

the only thing would be the accomodation slightly cheaper...if u buy a car..u have to pay loan every month ..
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Yup, PG public transport is pretty much non-existent as well (no bus into FIZ).
Car = loan, parking, toll, jam, afraid car get stolen...
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post May 5 2010, 05:04 PM

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cks2k2 : try to compare the both company from other staff/member from forum. may give u some good and bad feedback as well.
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post May 5 2010, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(wrb7878 @ May 5 2010, 04:56 PM)
I not sure how RSU is work. but mine is ESOS.
staff not need to pay any $$$...just sell it at higher price.
maybe our share price movement is +/-20-50%, so we can earn much on it compare to those share price on +/- 1-5%.

Most of the staff stay longer on company bcos of ESOS only....bonus is 2nd part.
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ESOS can go underwater but RSU cannot = confirm make money. But you get only around 10 RSU per-year unlike ESOS, and you must remain employed at the company and wait for it to mature before you can sell it.
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post May 5 2010, 05:14 PM

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our ESOS look like "comfirm make money" also...wont underwater...hehe
most of staff will buy back the share to get dividen as well. so no problem if the staff resign....

i think we will have RSU as well bcos ESOS is only for 5 year only.
RSU objective is to remain employee at the company

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post May 6 2010, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ May 5 2010, 03:36 PM)
Guys, I need an opinion.
I have 2 job offers: one from Penang and one from Singapore.

The offer from PG is from a major MNC, salary is pretty good (MYR5k/mth + stock options + other benefits).
But it's in the semiconductor field, which I used to be in and there's a feeling that the semicon companies are going to abandon MY for Vietnam in 5-10 years time.

The offer from SG is from a start-up with ties to A*STAR (the govt backed research arm), salary is around SGD3k (~MYR7020).
Job seems interesting and challenging, a big departure from what I was doing previously. But I feel the pay is a bit on the low side, as I have work experience and a masters from NUS (coursework, not research). I know someone with a background close to mine, and he got SGD4k, but that was before the economic crisis.

Given the high cost of living, SGD3k pretty much equals MYR5k. The saving grace is I am not contributing to CPF, and the tax rate is low (discounting GST). And I like living in SG, compared to PG where I used to work in (me KL boy).
But it's abandoning the comfort of a MNC for a small start-up, for pretty much the same pay (minus expenses). Should I pick SG?
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for me, if i got such offer in pg, definitely i choose pg, but i don't have such offer, that make me go to sg.

Although 5K compare to SGD 3K (~7K), 7K is higher, but for the rental i pay at SG, it enough for me to pay for 1 apartment/condo installment at PG, u get a house, not a room ...

some more pg expense is much more lower than KL ... no toll, nice food(sg food ...sigh)

you said that semicon companies are going to abandon MY for Vietnam in 5-10, but thing after 5 yrs who know....

that my thought
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post May 6 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(allens @ May 6 2010, 10:32 AM)
for me, if i got such offer in pg, definitely i choose pg, but i don't have such offer, that make me go to sg.

Although 5K compare to SGD 3K (~7K), 7K is higher, but for the rental i pay at SG, it enough for me to pay for 1 apartment/condo installment at PG, u get a house, not a room ...

some more pg expense is much more lower than KL ... no toll, nice food(sg food ...sigh)

you said that semicon companies are going to abandon MY for Vietnam in 5-10, but thing after 5 yrs who know....

that my thought
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erm..buy house and do installment no need to pay the down payment?
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post May 6 2010, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(allens @ May 6 2010, 10:32 AM)
for me, if i got such offer in pg, definitely i choose pg, but i don't have such offer, that make me go to sg.

Although 5K compare to SGD 3K (~7K), 7K is higher, but for the rental i pay at SG, it enough for me to pay for 1 apartment/condo installment at PG, u get a house, not a room ...

some more pg expense is much more lower than KL ... no toll, nice food(sg food ...sigh)

you said that semicon companies are going to abandon MY for Vietnam in 5-10, but thing after 5 yrs who know....

that my thought
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They are slowly moving their operations to vietnam now.... good examples are Panasonic
No need to wait 5 years.
Now can see the effects with all the circus thing going in Msia (cowhead, PKFZ, teenage shooting by police, mongolian, anwar case, list goes on......) & don forget the rise of Indonesia , India & FDI still goes to Thailand rather than Msia even with their political unrest

This post has been edited by cikopek: May 6 2010, 11:10 AM
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post May 6 2010, 11:24 AM

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i heard that Seagate is leaving Singapore. Anyone heard about that?
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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 6 2010, 11:24 AM)
i heard that Seagate is leaving Singapore. Anyone heard about that?
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their manufacturing close down
but their sales, marketing & services headquater still in sg
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QUOTE(cikopek @ May 6 2010, 11:03 AM)
They are slowly moving their operations to vietnam now.... good examples are Panasonic
No need to wait 5 years.
Now can see the effects with all the circus thing going in Msia (cowhead, PKFZ, teenage shooting by police, mongolian, anwar case, list goes on......) & don forget the rise of Indonesia , India & FDI still goes to Thailand rather than Msia even with their political unrest
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My sentiments exactly. It used to be we can compete on cost, while being politically stable. Now we're super-expensive relative to cheap-labour countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia etc, yet we haven't moved up the value chain: we don't have any good advantage or reason for foreign investors to stay/invest.

QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 6 2010, 11:24 AM)
i heard that Seagate is leaving Singapore. Anyone heard about that?
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Yup, but not the entire operation IIRC. But HDD is a labour-intensive industry, where labour costs is the #1 issue. You can do it in cheap labour countries.
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QUOTE(dokidoki @ May 6 2010, 10:41 AM)
erm..buy house and do installment no need to pay the down payment?
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for some apartment in pg, the market price (which given by bank) is much higher than selling price.

From what i know from my landlord last time, she bought that house for 230K but bank can offer her till 270K load,
so do you think u need down payment for that ? but for sure ya installment going to be higher and also ya interest also biggrin.gif
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post May 6 2010, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 6 2010, 11:24 AM)
i heard that Seagate is leaving Singapore. Anyone heard about that?
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Yes and no....

Yes is that the manufacturing part leaving SG, but it will be implemented slowly.

No is that the office base work & R&D will still be there.

Unlike here in Penang, a FDI leaving is a huge issue and big deal. New industry will replace Seagate in Singapore soon.
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QUOTE(cikopek @ May 6 2010, 11:03 AM)
They are slowly moving their operations to vietnam now.... good examples are Panasonic
No need to wait 5 years.
Now can see the effects with all the circus thing going in Msia (cowhead, PKFZ, teenage shooting by police, mongolian, anwar case, list goes on......) & don forget the rise of Indonesia , India & FDI still goes to Thailand rather than Msia even with their political unrest
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ya ... for sure, they might move production to vietnam, but for R&D, i think they still will remain in malaysia, i think u wont be among those working as labour in production.... as a engineer, still should be ok ...
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QUOTE(allens @ May 6 2010, 11:41 AM)
ya ... for sure, they might move production to vietnam, but for R&D, i think they still will remain in malaysia, i think u wont be among those working as labour in production.... as a engineer, still should be ok ...
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I am an engineer in Sg lar... if not y would I be bothered with this thread
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post May 6 2010, 01:50 PM

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production need engineer too. From material, process to QC Engineer etc.
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post May 6 2010, 02:14 PM

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Any one have any idea on this?

Mum = Malaysian PR
Dad = Malaysian PR
But their baby born in SG, so the baby will be Singaporean or Malaysian?
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post May 6 2010, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Jurlique @ May 6 2010, 02:14 PM)
Any one have any idea on this?

Mum = Malaysian PR
Dad = Malaysian PR
But their baby born in SG, so the baby will be Singaporean or Malaysian?
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I can answer u this. Singaporean. Unless when the Baby reach 21 years old and decided that he wants to be a Malaysian, then he need to nego with Malaysian gov.
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post May 6 2010, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 6 2010, 02:43 PM)
I can answer u this. Singaporean. Unless when the Baby reach 21 years old and decided that he wants to be a Malaysian, then he need to nego with Malaysian gov.
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U mean the baby is not recognised as a Malaysian at birth?
So, the only way is to let her mum to go over to JB and give birth?
BTW, will it make any difference if his dad is a Singaporean citizen?

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post May 6 2010, 03:03 PM

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ok, i know smth about this bcoz my cousin is a mix. Dad = Singaporean, Mom = Malaysian WP holder (until today not a PR), She is staying in Singapore since she was born. and my aunt told me, she need to choose which country's citizenship u want to hold when she reach 21 years old. and guess what? if she choose Singapore, she have voting right here, if she choose Malaysia, she can vote in Malaysia.

Not trying to be racist, but i guess if both Parents is PR and Child born in SG and if the parents is non-bumi, i dun think Malaysia will accept the child as a malaysian.

editted,

My cousin was born in Malaysia

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QUOTE(Lester1987 @ May 6 2010, 03:03 PM)
ok, i know smth about this bcoz my cousin is a mix. Dad = Singaporean, Mom = Malaysian WP holder (until today not a PR), She is staying in Singapore since she was born. and my aunt told me, she need to choose which country's citizenship u want to hold when she reach 21 years old. and guess what? if she choose Singapore, she have voting right here, if she choose Malaysia, she can vote in Malaysia.

Not trying to be racist, but i guess if both Parents is PR and Child born in SG and if the parents is non-bumi, i dun think Malaysia will accept the child as a malaysian.

editted,

My cousin was born in Malaysia
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Wah, cant imagine such racist attitude still occurs in Malaysia's society today. It is so unfair.
My situation now is one of my relative, ie both parents are Malaysian PR resiting in SG and her mum is going to give birth perhaps in Aug 2010 and they prefer their son to become a Malaysian. Both the parents are Chinese.

So, the only way is to go to JB to give birth rite now?

On the other hand as per your case, I wonder why your cousin husband's wife cant be a PR?
I tot if either husband or wife is a native Singaporean, then its spouse can easily apply for a dependent PR?

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