Been watching united since the 90's .. still remember dunhill was the sponsors for those premier league matches

Bought my first jersey when i was 14 years old using the cash i earned working part time

Attennded my first match in old trafford while i was studying in UK, travelling to Manchester for games whenever my housemate is able to "loan" me his season ticket

Flew to Manchester 3 times this year just to watch them live, games for Chelsea, Liverpool and Aston Villa

Now trying to get tickets to the UCL final in Rome, doesnt look so good now as some of my uni friends who are MU season ticket holders did not manage to obtain the final tickets ..

must be devastating for u during that pool match eh?

Actually we Malaysians do not have much choices really, during our school days... all classmates supporting Man U even the teachers are Man U fans...When we go to college, the same thing happens, classmates and lectuerers are all Man utd fans...So very likely we ended up becoming Man U fans too..

Malaysians tend to support clubs that a lot of ppl support, its just like "monkey see, monkey do". As a result, Man U are just like our local team now.

eventually everybody ended up supporting Man U and the other big 4 teams as well. The more successful the club, the more Malaysians supporting that club...
if barcelona win champions league this year.. we will be seeing a lot of ppl wearing barcelona on the street...




This post has been edited by MamulaMoon: May 17 2009, 05:41 PM

I have an idea for you then. Buy all the merchandises. Fook the games. They mean shite and are not important. Prepare 'supporting' keyboard warrior stance to be posted on forums after the game. Tadah, uber supporter! Oh, and remember to gloat at Liverpool supporters. That is a must as well. More important than cheering your own team on. Like I say, fook the game. Repeat process, buy jersey>claim undying support>fook the game>taunt Liverpool fans>brag to others after that. Whatever you do, just make sure you don't call the team rubbish.

And no, Liverpool does not have the greatest supporters in the world. Based on what a supporter is according to you, majority of us aren't even supporters. I am looking for a new term for us. Will keep you posted if I find one.

Thats all you got? You cant even refute the fact that what i said is accurate when it comes to contributing back to the club. Also you go on to add the 'gloating' and 'bragging' as one of the characteristics that i endorse, is a cheap shot on your part. If it makes you happy claiming that all United fans are poster/plastic fans, then go on and rock your boat mate... probably helps you sleep better at night.

But just because you've stuck through 19 years without a title or from whenever it is that you started supporting them, it doesnt make you a better fan than me. Just because you sit in front of the telly, week in and week out, regardless of the result, doesnt make you a better supporter than me. Thats my take, and you have your own.

On your claim that "liverpool does not have the greatest supporters in the world", id recommend u keep a close watch on the pool thread here in LYN and keep track of how many times your posters over there have laid claim to that title of Best Supporters In The World. Just because everyone sings YNWA at decibels not reached by many, or singing when ure losing, doesnt make you the Best of the lot ...

I probably shouldnt be arguing with you, because to you, all I am is a manc, and we're all glory hunters in your book. You can label me or the fellow United posters here as Keyboard Warriors, or Balls-less Forumers or Fans Without A Stand, and you can shag yourself silly thinkin of names for us, but i dont give a shite abt pool and their fans and what they label us. Live ive always said ... Pool fans... their like roaches, they only come out when theres dirt.

puas hati ke gaduh dlm forum ?

No offense.But if he is generalizing, you are doing exactly the same thing he did.

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Added on May 17, 2009, 9:35 pmNo offense, dude. You made my day.You make it sounds like someone pull out a gun and force you to support the club.No choice?

From the previous post until your current post, I seriously think that it is funny someone actually
1.support a club to avoid others to laugh at him/her
2.because is a trend and I have no choice but to follow the trend.

In your previous post, you mentioned that not supporting a big 4 club make you a laughing sock to others.Now, your post tell us that you start supporting a club because it's a trend. Everyone is supporting it and you have no choice but to jump on the bandwagon. You might be influenced by them but to me, it seems like you are merely jumping on the bandwagon because everyone around you is supporting manu.Combining both your post, I come to think that you have it this way -->Is a trend and I have to support them too to avoid being the laughing sock.

Is this glory hunter?I'm not sure because you do not seem to care much about trophies and glory.But I have to say that your act of supporting the club just because of those 2 reasons are pretty uncalled for.

Also, manu supporters calling their own club "man u" ?



This post has been edited by solstice818: May 17 2009, 09:37 PM

I have tons of Manc friends that I like. I am in Manchester after all. Is just 'supporters' like you that makes me sick. You wanna talk about contributing to the club? I tell you what is contributing to the club. Not eating proper meals for 2 week just to get to a game to support your team. That is helping your club. Sending in letters to the club voicing your concern or support for the club, that is helping your club. Buying merchandise so that the money unnecessarily go to the yanks? Like I say, I don't care if we don't win anything. I want a proper club. A people's club. Not a fooking NY Yankees of Europe. I don't want a brand. I don't want a franchise. You might want one, but that to me is just against the very core of football clubs. Is people like you that made Manchester United in to a commercial entity rather than a club. Manchester USED to be quite a working class club you know. Nowadays? All the real fans are priced out. Only superfans that buys merchandises and them southern fairies goes to OT. You have a boutique. The games feel like a kids carnival. All these because of the great marketing people and people like you that thinks that because I buy a jersey I am the best even if I don't watch us when we lose. How is that helping the club? Unless your only concern is for the club to make more money to buy more players so that they will win the Galaxy's cup as well. Wait, that would make you a glory hunter though... You are not, you are the best supporters in the world.

On your claim that "liverpool does not have the greatest supporters in the world", id recommend u keep a close watch on the pool thread here in LYN and keep track of how many times your posters over there have laid claim to that title of Best Supporters In The World. Just because everyone sings YNWA at decibels not reached by many, or singing when ure losing, doesnt make you the Best of the lot ...
Lets us have our own fun. As long as we don't rub it in your face whats the problem with that? And if they do, go argue with them.


AND this is not directed at MU. I hate MU. But I am not blind. There are decent MU supporters out there. A lot of them are my friends. Is just this bunch of fans that buys into the fooking marketing thing and that calls themselves a real 'fan' that pisses me off. What does that leave the real supporters? I guess we don't matter cause we don't buy enough merchandises for the club to care anyway.

I wanted to add a disclaimer, throwing in Fyrekat and Duke as the exclusions, but i realised i dont need to do that. The proper football fans know they are proper football fans. Its a "siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas" kinda thing

But questioning the way that i support my team, and then going on to label us that which i detest, since all United supporters are on the receiving end of this Glory Hunter labelling crusade, is abit too much for my own liking. Those who dont like it, can go fly their grandmas kites...

So? Just cos you're there gives you the divine right to judge fans for the way they support their clubs?

The same economical effect that ive gone on to defend is the exact reason behind what your beloved manager uses to hide behind his failures. He keeps on ranting abt Uniteds buying power etc etc. Im sorry that pool had to be on the receiving end of Rick Parry's rubbish and ineffective commercial enterprising, but dont blame United or the culture that we preach just because we have the dosh and fans contribute to that.

Like i said, to you, for me to be a good a fan as you, i have to give up my friends and family and career and studies and religion, so that i work the extra quid to fly over to OT to watch a game. Its more important that i spend all my money doing that then buying merchandise right?? In the same point, you're contradicting yourself. First u say, its better to not eat proper meals for 2 weeks and get to the game to support the team, then u say that only superfans and southern fairies go to the games. So which is it? Or have you confused yourself out of the equation???

Just because you lot are ineffective at commercialising yourself, makes you the peoples club ?!?! You're having a laugh mate! So United fans must be dogs and zebras for supporting them. We have a culture of our own, and a tradition of our own. If we're all just glory hunters you generalise us to be, then we'd be Cristiano Ronaldo United FC, since hes a sizeable factor to bringing us the goods.

I really cant help but laugh at your ongoing rant that United have fantastic commercial stance, and fans who support that are 'southernfairies'. LOL! and you must be the same guy thats hoping that the Kuwaiti billionaire comes in to buy the club and finance the players! Football isnt abt the money and supporting them doesnt make me money so quit using that as the basis of your argument cos its bloody rubbish! Even AW believes that the club needs to be run like a feasible economical entity or the club itself ceases to exist, cue Leeds!

AND you tell me let you have your own fun! Youre also claimed that you dont claim yourselves to be Best Supporters In The World. God, you're either really confused or your articulation is just rubbish. At the start of the sentence, u said Let us have our own fun, at the end of the sentence u say go argue with them. Sort yourself out.

Amongst all the rivals we have, i hate pool the deepest. But its not because of their admirable culture, im not one bit envious of anything in Pool. But what fuels it is their supporters who claim theyre the best. And why shudnt they?? Calling it as i see it! Pools won 18 titles and 5 CL and no one shud forget history. But to not give credit where credit is due...that United at this point are really better than you lot, or at least in the last decade, has performed immaculately, thats what pisses me. The due respect is not reciprocated. Thats just purely delusional.
Bask in your past glory, i dont mind. Bask in the general characteristics of your supporters, i dont mind. But dont be a cheap pariah and hone down on rival supporters just because you have a holier than thou attitude.

I dont give a damn abt what you think abt fans who 'buy into the whole marketing gimmick' ... first of all, it shows that you cultivate narrow minded thinking. For you, theres the fans who die to get the extra quid to go see the game, and theres the fans who spend their daddys trust fund to get the scarf. You're a typical Pool fan ...

This is the end of the debate for me. Its pointless debating with you. You wont have respect for the way the rest of the world preaches and practices, neither do i believe you have the rational capacity to adjudge the context of what ive written so its the same as me talking to the wall. Get rid of the 'im better than you in every way' attitude, then theres a microscopical possibility that you might be able to understand what ive written.

End of.

This post has been edited by aboogee: May 17 2009, 10:10 PM

Chill it guys.

If Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard can be close pals in the England camp, why can't we?

I feel the rivalry is more intense here than the actually clubs themselves.

this because a fan is teaching another fan how to become a fan. rooney dont go teaching gerrard how to play lol.

is it so wrong to close the tv when ur team is down? ppl act differently in same situation. some ppl argue will just wan to keep quiet so that the problem fade away .. some will discuss it till doomsday.

err..erm. i'm not expecting lots of ppl would wear barca jersey..eventhou if we win CL final. but still..win or not..we'll still gather to watch this great match on this 28th may. but c'mon...to support one team...just becoz afraid ppl laugh at you? hurm..inferiority complex i think.

I've never turned off the tv, my sopcast (sorry rent room, no astro at home and UCL too late to go to mamak), left the mamak, left the pub, etc when Liverpool is losing or drawing with small teams. Try to wake up for every midweek matches eventhough I have 2 full day meetings the next day.

I feel sad for those who turned off theirs and leave their team when they need the support.

I do watch Man Utd matches with my MU supporter friends and many times I've heard other guys going "F**K Liverpool, go get your 2nd" when they score.

It may be they're passionate but it's a disgrace. They don't know that when they say that, they somehow represent the rest of them.

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: May 18 2009, 03:15 PM

talk about close tv...i remember very clear when liverpool went down 3-0 to milan in 2005 CL final, i almost close the tv because i couldnt bear to see liverpool ripped apart by kaka and co.

sad but true, most MU fans left not because they were sad but rather they afraid of losing face. i dont wanna bash MU fans or whatever, but MU fans got the most bad apples since their fan base is the largest

Dude... You're in a room... Thousands of km away... If you turn off the TV, the only person who will feel the pinch is ESPN or the companies that advertise during that timeslot. But its also their loss la the game turns out to be a Liverpool-Milan Champs League final thing...

I think coarse language in stadiums are much worse than that, with the English's liberal use of the F word. The chants can be sarcastic but admitedly sometimes it does go a bit overboard. But in England compared to most other countries, they take it as banter and sometimes, it can be quite funny as well. I was lucky enough to catch a game there vs Boro, and the home fans were chanting "You'll never play here again", whcih was quite funny when you're in the moment. I'm sure the Boro fans were pissed, but heck, its all part of the game.

I suppose at the end of the day, you must be able to take it, but when it comes to your turn to give it, make sure you give kao kao!!

Theres proof that theres sane ppl in this world after all ... LOL

Aboogee:

Argh. LYN had to crash when I have typing out my response. Its all gone now.

Nevermind. I am not going to go through the whole thing again. I just let you know my POV and you interpret it as you see fit.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL MAN U! I want to make this clear from the start. Man U people have this thing on jumping on everything that Liverpool fan says and turn it into a club rivalry thing. Yes, I am generalising. Go back analyse my post and twist my words. Deep down you know its true.

Anyway, back to my POV. I am a man of traditional values. I believe in unquestioned respect, undying loyalty, honour, dignity, honesty and everyone working for each other. I am a slight socialist at heart. Is not that I do not want trophies, but I believe that the values I mentioned and winning trophies are not mutually exclusive. And if they are, well, I would rather us maintain our pride and dignity then to work for the devil (no pun intended).

You see, I would be what is known as a middle of the road supporter. I am not the most hardcore in any sense. People go through greater lengths to support the club. And when these people gets screw over, I get pissed. I know people that have been match-goers for ages. They had to give up their ST because of the prices. And good luck trying to get a spare if you are not going to get a hospitality package or whatever. Most of the tickets are all allocated to worldwide fan clubs and sold on ebay to some rich kid from London which see supporting the club as a way to start conversations in fancy cocktail parties. But hey, its business. This people fly in, spend a bundle in the shop. It makes good business sense. But I just think that is unfair. The fans are the club. And fans that went through greater lengths for the club should be treated with more respect and consideration. But are they? Hopefully they are and I just don't see them.

Anyway, the bigger question, is the club selling its soul just to make that extra bob or 2? You have fans that puts on a jersey and yells the club's name only when they feel like it. You have fans that are more interested in the glory that hovers around the name of the club. You have fair-weathered fans that bothers when they are winning and can't be arsed to support when they are losing, knowing very well the that exact opposite is needed. You have fans that thinks they deserve the right to be called fans and go around bragging and taunting just because they buy a jersey every season. You have fans that think that its only a game when to some is more than a game. Is the club selling it's soul? Where does that leave the proper fans that were always there but are pushed off the spotlight because of these new 'fans'?

I am not against others being part-time supporters, it is a free world. Do whatever you see fit. All I am asking for is a little respect for those that really put their life's into it. For some it is a way of life, for some it is their life. Respect that. And no, part-time supporters are not going to be and shouldn't be respected as proper supporters. That is because they aren't.

Best reply ever This is not the same as leaving the stadium where the players will see your action.

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Added on May 18, 2009, 9:34 pmI think we don't have problem with your POV, its just your original/first response to Abogee POV.

He just stated that he would not buy any fake merchandise because his club would not gain any financial gain from it. If that's his way of showing his support, who are we to say otherwise?

This post has been edited by corez: May 18 2009, 09:34 PM

Haha....if you bother to reply to others critic bout your team...den you are the true fans...simple as that...why you would want to care so much for something that you are not care of?

everyone of us are true supporter from different aspect...

there is no definition for best supporter/fans....

if you think you are ....so be it....

As far as I collected, he used purchasing merchandises as a mean to justify leaving when the team is losing, which I do not think is right. Let me narrate to you what I gathered from his post. Initially he was replying to verx me thinks about leaving when the team is losing. Then he justifies it by saying that he would not purchase fake stuff as it does not help a club so he is a good fan. I disagree. I think the former is more important than the latter.

That was the gist of the whole thing to me.

As for the players would not see thing, if it is done by many and done long enough, it becomes a culture. So you would like a fanbase that says sod it when the team is losing and bugger off? Hey, it MIGHT not affect the team but what does it say about you? I don't think is the right culture personally. Again, that maybe because I am 'culturally narrow minded' and old school.