My view on glory hunters? #$%^&^%$#$%^&*&^%^&*&^%^&*&^&* them. I don't need them. The club doesn't need them. Screw the revenue stream. I rather be mediocre than have a bunch of glory hunting knobs supporting my club. And the keyword here is support. That is the thing that separates supporters and fans from those low lifes.

Yes, you could be a fan of the football played by the sexy Torres and Gerrard, but don't call yourself a Liverpool supporter. See the difference? I hate it when the term 'supporter' gets used loosely. Is like mixers in alcohol, too much of it just dilutes the good stuff.

Ohh, what is a glory hunter? Fair weather 'fans'. Supporters that boo their own team and leave early? Shiat. Look at the sentence again. Notice that it is a bit of an oxymoron to have 'supporters' and 'boo your team that tried their best and could do with a little motivation' and 'leaving your team behind to fooking rot cause you just don't give a shit' in the same sentence?

I started supporting Liverpool since 1997. How could I be a glory hunter when our next most trophy-laden year was in 2001? Anyway, is irrelevant. I like to think that most don't start off as a glory hunter, most start off as a fan of a certain trait of a club (playing style, player, sexy supporters, chants, stadium and so on), then as they go on, they get passionate about the club.

Biggest difference between a supporter and a knobhead? Passion.

Knowing the history, watching games, dreaming of Torres' hair is just a by-product of passion. Is not defining. Merely accepted traits that comes along with passion.

First bolded part: The identity of the club. That is where the passion comes from.

Second bolded part: That is a reason to drink. Is it important? Yes, I like to drink. Is it all there is? No. I have plenty of other excuses to drink.

What is the correlation between your keychain and your support? At the end of the day you are still not buying anything so either way no money goes to the club. Further more, I think I'd rather not buy any jersey at all and save the money to go support your team. Merchandises are really the worst indicator of being a fan. Anyone could go out and buy a top. But not everyone could have faith and stick with the team through thick and thin.


I disgust you then. Liverpool IS my religion in a way. Its heritage serves as a beacon to me when leading my own life. I listen to Liverpool songs when I am down. I have Shankly's picture and quotes posted on my wall in front of my study. It motivates me. It guides me. It keeps my heads up and shows me the light at the end of the tunnel. It is as important as my family. It is one of the most important things in my life. My friends know that, my family knows that and my girlfriend knows that. None of them complains.

2nd thing: Makes no difference. Forum or not, does not make a difference. It is just like a pub without the faces and pints.

I have an idea for you then. Buy all the merchandises. Fook the games. They mean shite and are not important. Prepare 'supporting' keyboard warrior stance to be posted on forums after the game. Tadah, uber supporter! Oh, and remember to gloat at Liverpool supporters. That is a must as well. More important than cheering your own team on. Like I say, fook the game. Repeat process, buy jersey>claim undying support>fook the game>taunt Liverpool fans>brag to others after that. Whatever you do, just make sure you don't call the team rubbish.

And no, Liverpool does not have the greatest supporters in the world. Based on what a supporter is according to you, majority of us aren't even supporters. I am looking for a new term for us. Will keep you posted if I find one.

I have tons of Manc friends that I like. I am in Manchester after all. Is just 'supporters' like you that makes me sick. You wanna talk about contributing to the club? I tell you what is contributing to the club. Not eating proper meals for 2 week just to get to a game to support your team. That is helping your club. Sending in letters to the club voicing your concern or support for the club, that is helping your club. Buying merchandise so that the money unnecessarily go to the yanks? Like I say, I don't care if we don't win anything. I want a proper club. A people's club. Not a fooking NY Yankees of Europe. I don't want a brand. I don't want a franchise. You might want one, but that to me is just against the very core of football clubs. Is people like you that made Manchester United in to a commercial entity rather than a club. Manchester USED to be quite a working class club you know. Nowadays? All the real fans are priced out. Only superfans that buys merchandises and them southern fairies goes to OT. You have a boutique. The games feel like a kids carnival. All these because of the great marketing people and people like you that thinks that because I buy a jersey I am the best even if I don't watch us when we lose. How is that helping the club? Unless your only concern is for the club to make more money to buy more players so that they will win the Galaxy's cup as well. Wait, that would make you a glory hunter though... You are not, you are the best supporters in the world.

On your claim that "liverpool does not have the greatest supporters in the world", id recommend u keep a close watch on the pool thread here in LYN and keep track of how many times your posters over there have laid claim to that title of Best Supporters In The World. Just because everyone sings YNWA at decibels not reached by many, or singing when ure losing, doesnt make you the Best of the lot ...
Lets us have our own fun. As long as we don't rub it in your face whats the problem with that? And if they do, go argue with them.


AND this is not directed at MU. I hate MU. But I am not blind. There are decent MU supporters out there. A lot of them are my friends. Is just this bunch of fans that buys into the fooking marketing thing and that calls themselves a real 'fan' that pisses me off. What does that leave the real supporters? I guess we don't matter cause we don't buy enough merchandises for the club to care anyway.

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Argh. LYN had to crash when I have typing out my response. Its all gone now.

Nevermind. I am not going to go through the whole thing again. I just let you know my POV and you interpret it as you see fit.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LIVERPOOL MAN U! I want to make this clear from the start. Man U people have this thing on jumping on everything that Liverpool fan says and turn it into a club rivalry thing. Yes, I am generalising. Go back analyse my post and twist my words. Deep down you know its true.

Anyway, back to my POV. I am a man of traditional values. I believe in unquestioned respect, undying loyalty, honour, dignity, honesty and everyone working for each other. I am a slight socialist at heart. Is not that I do not want trophies, but I believe that the values I mentioned and winning trophies are not mutually exclusive. And if they are, well, I would rather us maintain our pride and dignity then to work for the devil (no pun intended).

You see, I would be what is known as a middle of the road supporter. I am not the most hardcore in any sense. People go through greater lengths to support the club. And when these people gets screw over, I get pissed. I know people that have been match-goers for ages. They had to give up their ST because of the prices. And good luck trying to get a spare if you are not going to get a hospitality package or whatever. Most of the tickets are all allocated to worldwide fan clubs and sold on ebay to some rich kid from London which see supporting the club as a way to start conversations in fancy cocktail parties. But hey, its business. This people fly in, spend a bundle in the shop. It makes good business sense. But I just think that is unfair. The fans are the club. And fans that went through greater lengths for the club should be treated with more respect and consideration. But are they? Hopefully they are and I just don't see them.

Anyway, the bigger question, is the club selling its soul just to make that extra bob or 2? You have fans that puts on a jersey and yells the club's name only when they feel like it. You have fans that are more interested in the glory that hovers around the name of the club. You have fair-weathered fans that bothers when they are winning and can't be arsed to support when they are losing, knowing very well the that exact opposite is needed. You have fans that thinks they deserve the right to be called fans and go around bragging and taunting just because they buy a jersey every season. You have fans that think that its only a game when to some is more than a game. Is the club selling it's soul? Where does that leave the proper fans that were always there but are pushed off the spotlight because of these new 'fans'?

I am not against others being part-time supporters, it is a free world. Do whatever you see fit. All I am asking for is a little respect for those that really put their life's into it. For some it is a way of life, for some it is their life. Respect that. And no, part-time supporters are not going to be and shouldn't be respected as proper supporters. That is because they aren't.

As far as I collected, he used purchasing merchandises as a mean to justify leaving when the team is losing, which I do not think is right. Let me narrate to you what I gathered from his post. Initially he was replying to verx me thinks about leaving when the team is losing. Then he justifies it by saying that he would not purchase fake stuff as it does not help a club so he is a good fan. I disagree. I think the former is more important than the latter.

That was the gist of the whole thing to me.

As for the players would not see thing, if it is done by many and done long enough, it becomes a culture. So you would like a fanbase that says sod it when the team is losing and bugger off? Hey, it MIGHT not affect the team but what does it say about you? I don't think is the right culture personally. Again, that maybe because I am 'culturally narrow minded' and old school.

Culturally linked and geographically linked does not have to co-exist. I could be 8000 miles away from the club I support and still share some of the same culture and philosophy with people from that area.

Glory hunters are exactly what the phase says. Glory hunters are fans/"fans" attempting to gain glory through association with a certain club. They support the club for 1 reason only and that reason is the glory associated to the club. They are people that seek to fit in. To be part of the hip crowd. This is caused by SDS or more commonly known as inferiority complex.

Why not? Bare in mind that we were colonised by the Brits and share a lot culturally with them. Especially the older generations of Malaysians. A club like Liverpool really resonates with quite a few old timers because of Bill Shankly. Liverpudlians are staunch Labour voters. Bill Shankly came out a few times and openly declared his admiration for the socialist concept of dealing with things. I believe this really resonates well with the older generation. A generation when we as a nation was still young. When the communist/socialist concept is still considerably mainstream in Malaysia. These identification and passion could easily be passed on from grandpa to grandkid.

Add to the fact that we still have terribly British traditions in the old schools, you are looking at quite a lot of cultural similarities. Enough to actually fuel the passion for a club. We can deny it and scream that we are uniquely Malaysian all we want but the matter of fact is, the colonisation of the Brits left a lasting and some times unnoticed impact on our lives and the way we think and act.