May I know if the purpose of this thread is:

1) To share your opinion on how you define "Glory Hunter"

2) To bash and teach others how to become a proper fans (at your acceptable definition)

3) To show how passionate you are as a fans while others are not.

Please discuss objectively without pin-pointing any particular clubs/individuals.

Being a fans is not a race !

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However, I must say that the last few posts are valid for discussion Keep it on!

This post has been edited by kimhoong: May 21 2009, 01:16 PM

Unlike fans, they make a living from playing the game. Take Robbie Fowler as an example. He was no longer wanted by Houllier at the time and moved on to Leeds and Man City thereafter, before moving down a division. He may have left the club but Liverpool was always in his heart. Remember the 4 finger salute and the 5 finger one later on? He was reacting to jibes Man Utd fans were giving him during the Manchester derby. He reacted by indicating that we've won 5 European Cups. Here's an example of someone who is no longer physically with the club, but whose heart never left.
On the flipside you have players that profess their love for their club, only to leave and profess their love for their new
club.

There is a stark contract between the type of players mentioned above. Fernando Torres is still an icon at Atletico Madrid as he is with Liverpool. He had the inscriptions, "You'll Never Walk Alone" inside his captains armband while playing for Atletico. He made the move to Merseyside to fulfill his personal ambitions while promising the Atletico fans that he will one day return to them. Here is another example of a player who switched clubs without pissing any of the fans off.

I feel it can be done albeit in the proper manner.

Footballers usually start to decline by the age of 30. Thus they need to make their living and for their families before age or a career-ending injury take their toll.

That said, there's a difference between a player like Torres whom the fans still love; and Cannavaro whom some fans aren't happy that he's returning.

Was my thoughts as well. Which makes it alot more amazing when a few groups of players who are definitely good enuff to play in bigger clubs choose to stay loyal and stick thru thick and thin with where they developed as a footballer. Italians seem to have it best. Totti and Del Piero are ideal examples.

Well they weren't exactly playing for struggling sides. On the English domestic front I'm reminded of two prime examples. Matt Le Tissier was sublime but chose to spend his whole career with Southampton, rejecting moves to AC Milan and Chelsea. Steve Bull made the England team in 1990 but was surprisingly playing for Wolves in the old 2nd Division at the time. He never moved even after the World Cup, preferring instead to help the club fight for promotion which they never did until he retired. He received offers from Real Madrid, Barcelona, Boca Juniors, Man Utd and Liverpool just to name a few.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 23 2009, 10:33 AM

Hehe, I remember Le Tissier from my younger days. Was like a pudgy Cantona, very good technically.

OMG! I Am A Glory Hunter. I Have Nothing Of MU Merchandise(Can Get Them Only Recently Via Web). I Start Supporting MU In 1998,When They Win The Treble My Support For Them Getting Stronger(Never Have A Heart Supporting Other Club Even Great Club Like Liverpool),Dont Know/Care Their History Until Recently(I Only Ever Heard About Is The Munich Disaster Long Time Ago). Never Watch Them Live At Old Trafford,Never Been To UK.

Basically Non English Are Glory Hunter,Only Non English Who Is Rich/Who Work/Study At UK And Watch/Support Them Live,Can Be Considered A Non-Glory Hunter.

I Am A Proud Glory Hunter Someday I Will Go There Occasionally And Become A Non-Glory Hunter.

spot on!!

let's have a poll of glory hunter definition!

any cikgu bahasa Inggeris here???

let him give some statements of choice!

There is basically no point in supporting a lesser team outside big 4 because they will never win.

Am i the only one that thinks that english football matches outside big fours are pointless because the game hinders from reaching malaysian audiences due to the fact malaysian audiences tend to route for the big fours? Most ppl seem to know nothing about teams outside the big fours.

Though I m in no position to correct you ,I must say your perception about being a supporter is really really wrong...

From all your posts ( http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1027209?author=MamulaMoon ) ,in short, you keep telling us you support a team because it's a trend, because they are winning, because teams outside top4 are basically rubbish.

I find it disturbing when you sound like it's normal to support a team like you did because of trend, glory and fame.Then, you go on generalize most of us here like the likes of you who know nothing about other teams outside top4.To be honest, I find that insulting to most of us here.

The reason I posted this is not because I wanna brag of me being a better fans or whatsoever.Also,I'm not trying to teach you how to be a better supporter.But please, stop posting as if there is nothing wrong with your reason/way of supporting a club.It's misleading to those who are newbies and most importantly, it's an insult to the club you support.

What an insult to those still sticking around with Leeds, Southampton, etc as well...

and not to mention those who have soft spots for Newcastle too (hey, I do support the idea of "Toon vs pompous Londoners", Newcastle fans should be able to understand this point, why if Newcastle ever beat London clubs like Chelsea, it equates to a district level celebration).

Sorry for butting in, but the amount of today's news about hooliganism about Man Utd fans 'upset' about losing kinda freaks me out, its as bad / 'going' worse than most 'ultras' from other states / clubs.

Heck, like one yesterday case in Malaysia where a Barcelona fan nearly got mauled by an Manchester United fan going amok, I really wonder in the first place if that's really being 'supportive' of a club.

i think malaysian gov must create one department that called ministry of football club true fans. They should organize something like exams that will determine somebody is true fan or not. The exam must be comprised about history, financial, board, must buy merchandise or not etc of respective football club to certify that we are true fans. Let say 80 is the passing marks. Fans who failed to achieve score must be retaken the exam. Once succeeded, we will get cert or something like ID as an evidence we are true fans

mozart! that would be something like RAE (Radio Amateur Examination)!!

hahah!!

we fans, how about just supporting our teams in a respectful manner.. who cares glory hunter..

those clubs in england, dont even attached to our roots.. it's just mere passion.. just football.. we support them for the love of football (or maybe for the sake of getting into the crowd heheh)..

let's have a drink over some nice games..

That's the thing. Some don't bother to make the connection. It doesn't matter that you weren't born there. Most use this is just an excuse. It isn't "just football" to some. Some clubs practice traditions and values that are applicable in daily life. Why do Liverpool players have such a close connection with it's fans? Because Bill Shankly once proclaimed that it was the "people's club". It teaches you to appreciate everyone around you whether it's the toilet cleaner you see at work or your friends. It tells you not to discriminate. It's just one example but it's the reason some do actually find a connection with their club and it becomes personal.

The issue about the Man Utd fans that beat up the Barcelona one has been discussed over on their thread. Do you think these guys did what they did because they felt the Barcelona fan insulted them or their club? I'm betting it's the former because no fan in their right mind would want to tarnish the reputation of their club. They reacted because they loss, not their club. There is a distinct difference here. See how if you value your club enough, it can affect the decisions you make in such situations. Who in their right mind would want to give their own club or it's fans a bad name, especially since they were sober and at a mamak?

Just to add. I've a friend that is a true glory hunter, I mean it. TRUE GLORY HUNTER. He has too many jerseys. Name it; from ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal to Everton until Hull. Outside BPL, he has Italian, Spanish, German top sides.

Maybe we can argue he just like collecting jerseys, I'm amazed by his collection. But I told you, he is the one true glory hunter. In a season, at least he changes clubs by 5 times. Wear the jersey of predicted win team on match and wear the winner one the next day, and proud of it.

His football knowledge is vast but counting to various clubs, he just know the basic of each football club he's supporting. And up to this day, he's not ashamed being called GLORY HUNTER. But I still respect him as a true football fan, fan of many clubs.

This post has been edited by GulaV: May 31 2009, 05:40 PM

what i mean by not even "attached to our roots" is that we are not even english in the 1st place.. peoples there know english 1st before they knew football.. hence peoples who born in london attached to london clubs.. born in mersey attached to merseysiders.. if not all, most are..

the passion we have now is something that we develop from what we saw on tv.. (of course i dont count the minority malaysian that born in UK or study in UK).. we watch football in the 1st place rite.. we know football 1st before we know the clubs, place, traditions etc..

so friends.. feel football 1st..

True enough which is why I'm not a fan of any particular country. I only watch games involving Liverpool players. I'm not going to go into other clubs but if you look at Liverpool there is a much stronger connection to the Scouse culture than there is to the English one. I mean John Aldridge is Scouse but he's Irish and not English, neither is Jason McAteer.

To be honest, I'm the reverse from what you described. I started watching football because I heard of Liverpool. Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to tune into one of their matches. Slowly but surely, I got into reading football magazines and books and that's how I learned about the other clubs. In some ways I did some research because I wanted to find out more not only about Liverpool but about our rivals as well. "Know thy enemy, know they self" right? In summary my interest in football stemed from my interest in Liverpool. I was never a really good player and thus never really played the game much. So for me it wasn't about watching a team and then finding out more. I was told stories about the club which is why I chose the club, or as the old cliche goes, it chose me.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 31 2009, 11:12 PM

oh my bad.. i thought peoples play football 1st then know about football on the pitch, then know about the games overseas..

i forgot that some football supporters are not a football players themselves.. i'm sorry..

Glory Hunter=Bandwagon

Am I right????

and if you heard something like "bodo ar carrick tuh,apsal dia x lari je bawak bola tu masuk kotak penalti dah tu kasi gol" you know you're talking to one

This post has been edited by ayanami_tard: Aug 27 2010, 10:02 PM