EDII is just as good as the vr version but cheaper rm200. With proper grip technique you would not miss the VR. even with VR if the subject moved at slow shutter speed still blurry.

This post has been edited by NasiLemakMan: May 14 2009, 01:14 AM

VR cannot compensate for blur caused from subject movement, only blur cause from camera shake which is the sole purpose of VR.

This post has been edited by calvin_gsc: May 14 2009, 01:20 AM

Add me to the D40 list~
D40's kit lens not VR! Handheld with slow shutter speed still a problem for me.

BTW im using nissin di622 flash, so far so good, but when I hang my D40+di622 on my neck the camera becomes unbalanced... the whole camera points downwards... Too heavy...

I wanna ask something. If shooting macro in somewhere indoor and insufficient lighting, the Di622 cannot illuminate the subject completely! The flash is too far away frm the lens, so only the upper part of the object is illuminated. I use bounce card lagi teruk. If i use wireless, I need someone to hold the flash for me T_T

Anyone can teach me some tips?

what better lens? comparing 18-55 EDII and VR? VR better? plz, if you say VR better, tell me how much better? the "better" part of it is negligible.

if i'm comparing nikon 17-55 f/2.8 against 18-55 EDII, it's worth mentioning that the 17-55 is "better".

if you compared the normal 55-200 & 55-200VR than it makes a substancial difference. now this is "better". VR is most useful and have a significant role in tele ranges. didnt i say this quite a few times already?

This post has been edited by alpha_company: May 14 2009, 01:52 AM

if the same lens.. one with VR.. and one without.. ofcourse la with VR is better.. dont compare ur 2.8 lens with 18-55 la.. mestilah tak sama..

People please read this... a lot of people are still in the dark regarding VR's true purpose.

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Added on May 14, 2009, 1:56 amwhere did i mention MY lens? u tatau ka nikon ada 17-55 f2.8?

and another thing, 18-55VR is not worth mentioning that it's "BETTER" than EDII. i would just say that it is comparable..not better. that's what i meant. please read throughly.


take this into consideration. the price of VR and EDII differs by rm200. the so called "better" VR costs more but when taking into mind Price:Performance ratio EDII is a better buy.

This post has been edited by alpha_company: May 14 2009, 02:03 AM

ok.. my fault.. just be like this.. just answer within the questions... just compare what he meant.. 18-55, with VR and without.. so.. u tell me.. which one better... dont compare with other lens....

one more thing.. VR is.. vibration reduction right? so.. on the tele side.. yes.. it helps on tele... but.. do mind.. it helps also on longer shutter speed.. (ofcourse if u want to take couples seconds, u use tripod) but any shutter speed less than 1/10, is quite slow actually.. but if u really got steady hand.. takper la..

This post has been edited by razuryza: May 14 2009, 02:03 AM

thr is a flash stand tat comes wit Nissin Di622...

yup buy a flash stand or just make your own.

but here's the problem:

1. Nissin 622 is the only current 3rd party flash that CANNOT work with phottix PT-04II in wireless flash mode.

2. Nissin 622 can work in manual mode and would fire WIRELESSLY ONLY IF u use the built in flash. Point the nissin in the same direction and make sure that the nissin can detect the built in flash fire. THE problem with this method is the picture will almost certainly be overexposed because both the built in flash and nissin firing at the same time.

Other flashes like cybertik and falcon eyes can be used with phottix PT04II and dont need to fire the built in flash for the cybertik/falcon eyes to fire.

This post has been edited by alpha_company: May 14 2009, 02:12 AM

Aiyo, razuryza only tries to say that lens is VR can reduce camera shake especially for those with unstable hand. I personally find that VR @ 55mm quite useful in low light condition, can reduce the blur cause by my hand shake.
Any way, cant compare kit lens with 17-55 f2.8 surely, it's a different level of lens, jst like comparing BMW with proton, how can compare, the price is far much more expensive..

added!!!
Welcome to this family

no need to buy... it comes with the flashgun... n not necessary tat u need to point in the same direction de... u can point the flashgun upwards so it wont make it overexposed....

what i mean by point in the same direction is to make it easier for light sensor detect the built in flash fired.

point upwards if you want to use bounce but if high ceiling or no ceiling no use also.
and keep in mind that even if you point upwards or whatever, the options for getting the flash you want/like is greatly reduced because pop-up flash still needs to fire and frontal flash fire is unavoidable.

i recommend using a diffuser but u really need to try out the angles. sometimes i use a large squared styrofoam for a bounce flash and it does wonders at close range. need to experiment on your own to get the right exposure and angles.

This post has been edited by alpha_company: May 14 2009, 04:02 AM

post some of ur "large square styrofoam bounce flash" pics please!

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Added on May 14, 2009, 8:59 amit means u dun know how to control ur lightings!
we (frens in d300 and me) have used 4-5 lights to light up a model...
and none of it is overexposed...
y?
bcoz we rock...we know how to control lightings...

before u talk like u know stuff...
u better make sure that u really know what ur talking about...

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Added on May 14, 2009, 9:04 amif u r not satisfied with my answer...
about the overexposed thingy..
this is a proof...

Shot with 3 lights....
1 camera right, 1 camera left and 1 behind the model.
Any overexposure? i dun think so.




This post has been edited by xandman: May 14 2009, 09:04 AM

Xandman you don't understand what alpha_company and me were driving at. I am just a hobby photographer, amateur too, as a student I can't afford to get more than 1 flash gun. And the flash gun I am using is nissin di622. 622 needs to detect the primary flash frm the camera body only can work wirelessly, not like SB-600 got commander.

When need to shoot wirelessly, I need to trigger the built-in flash on my camera so that the 622 detects the light and then fire. But the problem is the built-in flash is firing directly at the object (cannot bounce or swivel and the diffuser is another burden for me) which makes the object overexposed. Even with 5 flash guns, the built-in flash still produces unwanted flash u get it? The point is, I have ONLY ONE flash gun!

hello.. the 4-5 flash u use ttl or manual?? i guess u use nikon cls system kann??

plz la read the question. i like the "bcoz we rock...we know how to control lightings..." hahahaha... this i need to quote...

tapi yg paling malu...even zellleonhart, the person asking the question said i answered him correctly and also said u don't understand what we're talking about..haha

"u better make sure that u really know what ur talking about..." - is it pointed towards yourself? i guess so.

This post has been edited by alpha_company: May 14 2009, 01:14 PM

see this for the cheapest camera VR. Compatible to ALL lenses.

@NasiLemakMan - very veryy useful info.. thanks

ok...
i might have gotten the point wrong...
u were talking about slave mode...
and i m talking about cls...
but cls doesnt mean it's TTL or iTTL...
it's still manual...

btw mr know it all...
did u know that u can adjust the power of ur pop up flash?
although it is direct flash...it does not mean it would be harsh...
u could always set ur popup flash to 1/128...
the slave would still detect the flash fired...
but the effect on the subject would be less...
still...
it wont cause overexposure...

also...if u din know...
u can always lower down the power output of the wireless flash if it's too harsh...
if it is no longer able to go lower...
u can always mover the flash away from ur subjects...

did u know adjusting the aperture also limits the lights that enter the sensor?
also did u know that adjusting the shutter speed determines the amount of ambient that falls onto the sensor when u r firing flashes?

Quoted for plain and simple common sense truth.