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P1 P1 Wiggy: Overpromise & Underdeliver, *P1's response in Post #135*

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post Apr 12 2009, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 12 2009, 12:42 AM)
See, you know because you are privy to this info, but how many of those potential subscribers, and those ALREADY subscribing like me, knows this insider info?

Again, to reiterate, my beef is with the claims, not with the technology itself. I wont feel as much cheated if they claimed 4/5Mbps "on best effort basis" and I'm getting 2/3Mbps on regular basis.
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Well there gonna be a second P1 gathering soon on 14th april (Tuesday), maybe you might wanna join in and directly consult and complaint to Michael Lai on this issue and see what is his feedback... tongue.gif

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post Apr 12 2009, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(UFO @ Apr 12 2009, 12:51 AM)
Well there gonna be a second P1 gathering soon on 14th april (Tuesday), maybe you might wanna join in and directly consult and complaint to Michael Lai on this issue and see what is his feedback...  tongue.gif

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Thanks, I didn't know there would be such a meeting between the provider and its subscriber!

That may look good on paper, but no matter how concerned these guys try to make themselves look does not detract from the fact that they are lying to their customers/potential subscribers. I am offduty on that day, so I'll take up on that meeting offer. Is everyone invited?
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:09 AM

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Wimax is a failed technology . Hehehe i'm waiting for HSSB from TM.Nut i believe fibre optics should be the way
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Apr 12 2009, 01:09 AM)
Wimax is a failed technology . Hehehe i'm waiting for HSSB from TM.Nut i believe fibre optics should be the way
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Before you outright claim these nonsense, read this. Consider yourself educated.

It is not the method of transfer, it is the pipeline on which they are tapping from. You can have shiny fibre optics if you want, but if TMNET chooses a narrow pipe for that fibre optic HSBB (not HSSB, HSBC, etc), your fancy schmancy fibre optics is nothing but a glorified copper wire you're using right now.
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Apr 12 2009, 01:09 AM)
Wimax is a failed technology . Hehehe i'm waiting for HSSB from TM.Nut i believe fibre optics should be the way
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We all also hope for fibre optics connectivity but they always like to delay this delay that and the BIG question is HOW LONG we need to WAIT...? shakehead.gif yawn.gif
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(UFO @ Apr 12 2009, 12:51 AM)
Well there gonna be a second P1 gathering soon on 14th april (Tuesday), maybe you might wanna join in and directly consult and complaint to Michael Lai on this issue and see what is his feedback...  tongue.gif

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Why I didn't know about this? hmm.gif

Must look for Naomi and CK.
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QUOTE(UFO @ Apr 12 2009, 01:16 AM)
We all also hope for fibre optics connectivity but they always like to delay this delay that and the BIG question is HOW LONG we need to WAIT...?  shakehead.gif  yawn.gif
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As long as it takes tongue.gif HSSB ker HSBC ker ROFLOL tongue.gif u got pawn lah brother. I want to sleep sleepy already

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post Apr 12 2009, 01:34 AM

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i using p1 wimax with 1.2 mbps at kota damansara here now ,my speed also can't go how fast even the station is nearby me ,
now i getting lack and bored about internet connection of p1
figuring on changing my p1 into stramyx 4mb
suckx , this is cal maju ? how to archive wawasan 2020 if the ISP not kerjasama ?!
even internet connection also can't better than singapore ,
don't dream about future of malaysia ...
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:39 AM

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what, you morons only found out recently???!!!

I knew all these bullshit before the big bang...
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:40 AM

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Thanks for the heads-up on the gathering, UFO. Appreciate the details on the email as well. I shot them a very "spicy" email about my current predicament, and linked them to this thread here for other further grievances.

Whether they (or her, in the case of Ms. Naomi Hasegawa) choose to respond or not, does not matter. The point, this 14th will either the dealmaker or the dealbreaker for me to continue this subscription or getting a refund.


Added on April 12, 2009, 1:42 am
QUOTE(-҉- @ Apr 12 2009, 01:39 AM)
what, you morons only found out recently???!!!

I knew all these bullshit before the big bang...
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Thanks for a gem of an equally moronic response of yours as well. No weight, substance, or addition to the information we can gather or things we can do to alleviate this problem. rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 12 2009, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(spencerlim @ Apr 12 2009, 01:34 AM)
i using p1 wimax with 1.2 mbps at kota damansara here now ,my speed also can't go how fast even the station is nearby me ,
now i getting lack and bored about internet connection of p1
figuring on changing my p1 into stramyx 4mb
suckx , this is cal maju ? how to archive wawasan 2020 if the ISP not kerjasama ?!
even internet connection also can't better than singapore ,
don't dream about future of malaysia ...
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Eh, brother... You try go ask Streamyx to open to all ISP players and see. The main problem why we cannot maju is lack of competition.

The Best Competition would be like Digi, Maxis, Celcom and UMobile. All fight for the best rates.

Talking about Wired Broadband... How many choices do you have? Jaring? TM? Maxis? (Maxis buy bandwidth from TM so = die)...

You see if they open to others and see, you will see our Internet can go 10Mbps within 2 years already lor. You can now see PenangFON.
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post Apr 12 2009, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 12 2009, 01:40 AM)
Thanks for a gem of an equally moronic response of yours as well. No weight, substance, or addition to the information we can gather or things we can do to alleviate this problem. rolleyes.gif
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ultimate universal fact == it may be fine when there is not much subscriber... but once the hordes of mother fckers join and start downloading porn, it'll slow to a crawl...and someore this is wireless which means the available bandwidth for an area in probably shared...so it'll be shit in the end because they are no practical solution not one that the gayverment of malaysia is willing to build...

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so wiggy now turns PIGGY
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QUOTE(-҉- @ Apr 12 2009, 01:44 AM)
ultimate universal fact ==  it may be fine when there is not much subscriber... but once the hordes of mother fckers join and start downloading porn, it'll slow to a crawl...and someore this is wireless which means the available bandwidth for an area in probably shared...so it'll be shit in the end because they are no practical solution not one that the gayverment of malaysia is willing to build...
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At the risk of derailing this thread, what do you propose we do? Deny or limit subscriptions to a limited number? Your presence or your quips are not helping progressing in providing solutions at hand, or help find other alternative options to those who chose to remain. So, instead of being your cool skeptical and cynical self (trust me, I'm that cynicla myself), how about suggesting something to either help the situation, or expose these culprits for what they are? Being your cynical self here does not help the situation. And if that is the only reason why you're posting here, then I call the LYN R&R on this, specifically:-

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Let's hope it does not come to that.
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post Apr 12 2009, 02:24 AM

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I was wondering as well since TS mentioned that they might have installed a indoor micro base station just to showcase their new package at the fair.

It's true. The device they used is actually a micro base station which is placed somewhere near their booth fed with some high speed fiber connection that gives them bandwidth in excess of over 20mbps. The micro base station is from ZTE. IT's similar to those we frequently see in Japan.
That's why you can still get excellent connectivity even in the underground subway and skyscraper towers.

Now the question is will all those existing areas with old equipments will be replaced with the newer base stations. Will P1 spend that amount of money to replace equipments not even a year old? How are they going to get back what they invested?
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post Apr 12 2009, 02:34 AM

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Umm.. Can get 1-3Mbps is good enough, isn't it? Compared to Streamyx which is only 1Mbps now. Streamyx doesn't have more than 1Mbps (this is what I was told 2 months ago).
Moreover, Wiggy is wireless, so comparing the performance to streamyx which is landline, this has been a good thing.

I would say that if Wiggy can really get 2-3Mbps and stable, I would really want to join. But not shared bandwidth lar... sooner or later, there will be tons of porn downloader messing the bandwidth...
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post Apr 12 2009, 02:42 AM

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Aiyoh! P1 Wimax is a worse conman company then tmnut. Congratulations to P1 who just became the worst conman ISP in the nation.
I suggest TS write a letter / email to the newspapers and tell the whole country just what a coman company P1 is.

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QUOTE(Saint_Kevin @ Apr 12 2009, 02:34 AM)
Umm.. Can get 1-3Mbps is good enough, isn't it? Compared to Streamyx which is only 1Mbps now. Streamyx doesn't have more than 1Mbps (this is what I was told 2 months ago).
Moreover, Wiggy is wireless, so comparing the performance to streamyx which is landline, this has been a good thing.

I would say that if Wiggy can really get 2-3Mbps and stable, I would really want to join. But not shared bandwidth lar... sooner or later, there will be tons of porn downloader messing the bandwidth...
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The perfect example of the "Tidak Apa" attitude. Why are you relenting to them when they promised a certain speed and you get a tiny fraction of that speed? Comparing crap(them) against another crappier crap(Streamyx) does not help either, they both stink to high heaven.

Pursue what you are promise, not all this "Tidak Apa lah" attitude. It is because of people with these attitudes that entities like these are taking advantage of your leniancy. You pay good money for this, shouldn't you get what you pay for? Even if you say "best effort basis", it should be more than 50% of what's promised, not 10-20%!

Unless they advertise "Get 1-3Mbps", then I have no case against them. They promised 10Mbps (on best effort basis, I kept on having to say this so that people know I am not expecting a perfect "10"), why are you relenting instead of pursuing them to at least give 5/6? You are one easy person to satisfy, are you as easily amused, and conned as well? Being a Saint with these entities does not help either, they will use your good will nature against you to their own advantage. Which you make it easier since you are "okay" with 1-3Mbps. Malaysians......shakehead.gif

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post Apr 12 2009, 04:06 AM

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Haha , i already knew this after today i go to P1 at PC FAir , ireally wanted wiggy but my father dun wan give -.- no money to pay he said >_< .. i noticed this 'cheating' because

Usually when the brick modem is blocked by people , the light will get weaker , but when u see the brick modem in P1 Pc fair , the light is still green even they are hundres of people blocking the signal. This makes me thing that the basestation is kinda near. 2 look at the position of the modem , all same tongue.gif
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post Apr 12 2009, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 11 2009, 07:21 PM)
Subscribed to the service using their Wiggy USB modem, under the Personal package. Being the eternal skeptic that I am, I grilled them thoroughly, especially with their claim of 10Mbps, of course under "best effort basis"

To those came to the first Hall at PC Fair to check out their download and upload speeds, and BELIEVE those speed test, either via their own speed.p1.com.my or the speedtest.net, you have been fooled and taken for a ride, myself included.

I signed on yesterday under the impression that their 10 Mbps under best effort basis is reasonable, after looking at their download speeds of 8Mbps while inside the hall. The ugly truth is this: They've set up a base station INSIDE the Hall to achieve those download speeds. Those are not the actual speeds, they are based on MAC-address-selected P1 Wiggy modems!

My own speedtest done shows these ugly truths. My area is right at the edge of coverage, and I get 2.4Mbps AT BEST. My trip while in the bus to KLCC with my trust netbook and Wiggy on, fluctuates between 1.4-1.9Mbs, and while at the water fountain infront of KLCC, only 1.5Mbps, nothing more. This is far from their claimed 10Mbps speed. I even done the speedtest on both Speedtest.net and P1's on INSIDE the Hall they are exhibiting, and guess what? CANNOT EVEN CONNECT! I went straight to their booth, and asked for the same person who handled my registration yesterday. After he himself am flustered about me being unable to log in while their Wiggy modems on their Dell runs perfectly fine, I was directed to 3 other person, where this ugly truth comes out. One handled the PR, the other on the connection side,and another from the technical side. From the technical personnel is where the truth comes out, that their Wiggy modems are not running as itself, but with the help of a base station INSIDE the HALL itself. That explains why only their Wiggy modems who are MAC-address selected are able to log in and run at those speeds, while customer-received Wiggy modems are lefft to run on the REAL TIME environmental difficulties.

Those three personnel, after admiitting this, suggested me monitoring the speeds in these few days so that they can try and rectify the situation, but after this enormous bullshitting on their behalf, I believe that nothing can be done to improve this, and I shall be exercising my right of cancelling this subscription package by 7 days, so I can get a full refund.

This is pathetic, pitiful and plain full-frontal outright lies by P1. All I am asking is them keeping to their word to their claims of best effort basis, even if I'm getting 5Mbps, I'll continue with this subscription. Claiming 10Mbps but only getting 1.5-2.5Mbps is not even "best effort", it's plain outright DAYLIGHT ROBBERY!

A fair warning to those interested with this. Dont be fooled by their claims and their speedtests inside the Pc Fair Hall. They's outright lied on these figures, and to pander to you, puts on those Money Chamber so that you feel that you get a fair deal out of this. Do not be fooled!

I'll keep anyone who is interested here up to date on how this progresses. I will also continually monitor the speeds I'm getting around KL wherever I go, and see if their claims of "10 Mbps on best effort basis" is even remotely true. Stay tuned!
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