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Panasonic TH-P42X10K & TH-P50X10K Thread, New 2009 X-Series Plasma from Panasonic
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jchong
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Apr 24 2009, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Apr 24 2009, 06:49 PM) what bull lah. Nothing to do with the huge market. UK also so cheap and yet, UK has only double the population of Malaysia.
So the big question again is, why is Panasonic having such big price disparity between 42 and 50 inch panels.
No logic. 70% is way too high. It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class. QUOTE Furthermore, in developed markets like UK, there are more brands to choose from and consumers have a bigger choice. There are more than 10 major brands competing for 58 mil people In Malaysia, only 5 or 6 strong brands. And yet, these 5 or 6 can capture 25 million people Sorry, don't get the point you're trying to make here.
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michaeltan1943
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Apr 25 2009, 08:42 AM
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Saw in SS3 PJ in a panasonic lorry roadshow, they selling the TH-P50X10K for 5699 with the freebies.
if can sell the camcorder separate at 1000 in forum, the price of the panel can be 4700
very worth it
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gragon
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Apr 26 2009, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 24 2009, 08:19 PM) It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class. This seems to be the best explanation, but even that, I believe it's doesn't make good business sense. If Panasonic sets such a high price premium, I would imagine that there is an opportunity for some other producers, e.g. Hitachi, to try to capture this 50" market by lowering their price premium. Hence, the overall price for the 50" should equilibrate at a more reasonable level.
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htkaki
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Apr 26 2009, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Apr 25 2009, 08:42 AM) Saw in SS3 PJ in a panasonic lorry roadshow, they selling the TH-P50X10K for 5699 with the freebies. if can sell the camcorder separate at 1000 in forum, the price of the panel can be 4700 very worth it I have tried selling it at RM860 with the freebie and a normal tripod. No response so far  Any taker?
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michaeltan1943
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Apr 26 2009, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Apr 26 2009, 01:48 AM) I have tried selling it at RM860 with the freebie and a normal tripod. No response so far  Any taker? I think suddenly got too many people trying to sell the same camcorder in the forums and lelong
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lousycar
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Apr 26 2009, 01:45 PM
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Getting Started

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Somehow this thread turn into lelong forum.
Appreciate if more talks on the tweaking and fine tune of this model will start rather than just price.
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jchong
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Apr 26 2009, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(gragon @ Apr 26 2009, 12:09 AM) This seems to be the best explanation, but even that, I believe it's doesn't make good business sense. If Panasonic sets such a high price premium, I would imagine that there is an opportunity for some other producers, e.g. Hitachi, to try to capture this 50" market by lowering their price premium. Hence, the overall price for the 50" should equilibrate at a more reasonable level. Don't know why other brands aren't coming in to undercut the Panasonic price premium. Hope they aren't colluding to artificially keep the premium up
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neb
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Apr 26 2009, 05:05 PM
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you want settings, you got settings! QUOTE(D-Nice@avsforum) TC-P42X1/50X1 Reference Settings Recommended 120 Hour Break-In settings for all 12G Panasonic models (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD or Thumbdrive Files!!!!!!!!)
*****Note: This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****
Picture: Picture Mode: Vivid Contrast: 100 Brightness: 55 Color: 65 Tint: 0 Sharpness: 50 Color Temp: Cool C.A.T.S: Off Video NR: Off
Advance Options MPEG NR: Off Black Level: Light
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Picture: Picture Mode: Cinema Contrast: 80 Brightness: 78 Color: 30 Tint: G8 Sharpness: 42 Color Temp: Warm C.A.T.S: Off Video NR: Off
Advance Options MPEG NR: Off Black Level: Light
Service Menu Offsets
ADJUST MENU SUB-BRT: -1
WB-ADJ MENU R-DRV: -2 G-DRV: -30 B-DRV: -12 R-CUT: -33 G-CUT: -27 B-CUT: -24
Note: These offsets must be entered for both Color matrixes. You access the different matrixes by using a 1080i/p signal for the HD matrix and 480i/p signal for the SD matrix. This post has been edited by neb: Apr 26 2009, 05:26 PM
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kpchow75
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Apr 26 2009, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 26 2009, 05:05 PM) you want settings, you got settings! QUOTE(D-Nice@avsforum) TC-P42X1/50X1 Reference Settings
Picture: Picture Mode: Cinema Contrast: 80 Brightness: 78 Color: 30 Tint: G8 Sharpness: 42 Color Temp: Warm C.A.T.S: Off Video NR: Off
Advance Options MPEG NR: Off Black Level: Light
Service Menu Offsets
ADJUST MENU SUB-BRT: -1
WB-ADJ MENU R-DRV: -2 G-DRV: -30 B-DRV: -12 R-CUT: -33 G-CUT: -27 B-CUT: -24
Note: These offsets must be entered for both Color matrixes. You access the different matrixes by using a 1080i/p signal for the HD matrix and 480i/p signal for the SD matrix. I just bought the plasma today, i have heard about the break in procedure from my friend. But i have no idea about this, any body can share the break in procedure setting? Neb, the picture setting menu is difference from mines, there is no "tint" setting and the brightness setting max is until +50.
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neb
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Apr 26 2009, 05:28 PM
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the settings I posted are for USA's model with NTSC mode, to read more jump to: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128487
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pltan
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Apr 26 2009, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 24 2009, 08:19 PM) It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class. Sorry, don't get the point you're trying to make here. I don't think it's just a matter of spending power, Malaysia's upper-income class certainly has comparable spending power to Western countries. Just compare the luxury car markets.... Let's not forget the HDTV market here is not as mature as the UK/US. Just compare HD rollout, BD penetration etc etc, so in a sense it's still a 'niche' market in terms of demand. Now couple with that the fact that the retail market here is also behind the curve comparatively....e.g. you can log onto buy.com, amazon.com and buy a TV on these sites for great prices due to their business model. This is also another mitigating factor in terms of competitive price pressure in the HDTV market. This post has been edited by pltan: Apr 26 2009, 05:29 PM
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neb
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Apr 26 2009, 05:45 PM
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another settings for cinema mode, make sure the TV set has gone through minimum burn-in hour, otherwise the settings will drift: QUOTE(googleme7@avsforum) CINEMA
Contrast - 80 Brightness - 50 Color - 36 Tint - (+6) Sharpness - 50 Color Temp - WARM Black Level Light Everything else OFF
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podrunner
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Apr 26 2009, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 26 2009, 05:45 PM) another settings for cinema mode, make sure the TV set has gone through minimum burn-in hour, otherwise the settings will drift: QUOTE(googleme7@avsforum) CINEMA
Contrast - 80 Brightness - 50 Color - 36 Tint - (+6) Sharpness - 50 Color Temp - WARM Black Level Light Everything else OFF am kinda lost, but what is the "minimum burn-in hour"?
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jchong
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Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(pltan @ Apr 26 2009, 05:29 PM) I don't think it's just a matter of spending power, Malaysia's upper-income class certainly has comparable spending power to Western countries. Just compare the luxury car markets.... I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment. But yes, it's not only a matter of spending power. The whole economics thing is quite involved. QUOTE Let's not forget the HDTV market here is not as mature as the UK/US. Just compare HD rollout, BD penetration etc etc, so in a sense it's still a 'niche' market in terms of demand. Now couple with that the fact that the retail market here is also behind the curve comparatively....e.g. you can log onto buy.com, amazon.com and buy a TV on these sites for great prices due to their business model. This is also another mitigating factor in terms of competitive price pressure in the HDTV market. Agreed.
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neb
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Apr 26 2009, 07:04 PM
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read my link in post 310, recommendation is to have 120 hours burn-in for the brand new set using the method given in that link before doing the setting.
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simon9968
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Apr 26 2009, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(beebee @ Apr 6 2009, 05:04 PM) ahh, no review? has been waiting for it, tempted to upgrade from 32" to 42" plasma I don't have special 'eye sense' to pictures, but here's my X10K review: Good - ASTRO picture good - Price good Bad - Reflections quite powderful - Plasma TV quite hot
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pltan
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Apr 26 2009, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM) I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment. But yes, it's not only a matter of spending power. The whole economics thing is quite involved. Agreed. Well in that sense then yes, Malaysians will earn less in real dollars. And everything imported will be more expensive from a buyer's point of view comparatively. I hope Malaysia hurries up with a HD rollout plan, but watching it's Broadband rollout has been rather distressing.
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michaeltan1943
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Apr 26 2009, 11:15 PM
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[quote=jchong,Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM] I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment.
I qualify. In UK, even the working class have plasmas at home. I know people on Social security benefits and still they can afford to buy plasma.
About Benz, 10 year old W124 is less than 1000 pounds. Msians are definitely being conned.
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neb
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Apr 26 2009, 11:57 PM
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dig up some charts done by D-nice@avsforum, showing before and after calibration done on X1(not x10 plasma though  ) panasonic plasma, target is D65 CIE Illuminant standard:   another set of charts showing colour accuracy with respect to rec. 709 HDTV standard:   inside bullseye circle, must be pretty much accurate! This post has been edited by neb: Apr 27 2009, 01:04 AM
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kianwee
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Apr 27 2009, 10:59 AM
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Awesome
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