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 Panasonic TH-P42X10K & TH-P50X10K Thread, New 2009 X-Series Plasma from Panasonic

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post Apr 20 2009, 09:09 PM

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50" x10 plasma has higher horizontal resolution with 1366x768

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offer for plasma+camera only valid until 10 may? how much is the price after offer finish
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post Apr 20 2009, 10:33 PM

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Supposingly, it will revert to its original RRP. That's without freebies. IMHO, very unlikely that it will happens.

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post Apr 20 2009, 11:12 PM

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I am quite confident that commontan can sell it for below RM5k
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RM4,900 cash without freebies. Anyone? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 20 2009, 09:09 PM)
50" x10 plasma has higher horizontal resolution with 1366x768
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In another word, 50" is more than true 720p (>1280 x 720) while
42" is less than true 720p (<1280 x 720)
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post Apr 21 2009, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Apr 21 2009, 12:59 AM)
In another word, 50" is more than true 720p (>1280 x 720) while
42" is less than true 720p (<1280 x 720)
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Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others). The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL) will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 21 2009, 09:27 AM)
Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others).  The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL)  will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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Not necessary. You can get 1:1 display mode so that you see black bar on top/bottom/left/right for 1366x768 (50"). For 1024x768 (42"), there's nothing
you can do to avoid scaling.
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post Apr 21 2009, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Apr 21 2009, 12:51 PM)
Not necessary. You can get 1:1 display mode so that you see black bar on top/bottom/left/right for 1366x768 (50"). For 1024x768 (42"), there's nothing
you can do to avoid scaling.
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I am sorry that this is OT.

Yes, you're right, if you do not mind the pillarboxing and this is an important criteria for you, then yes,that is the way to go.

I have a question, are any movies or material originally made for 720p? I know there a 16mm, 35mm and other sources (higher def 4K, 8K masters and others I am not aware off) and they are typically remastered (scaled maybe) to fit either 1920 X 1080, 480i , 576i?

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post Apr 21 2009, 02:54 PM

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42" X10 (1024x768) is incapable of faithfully displaying the 720p (1280x720) source in 1 to 1 pixel mapping, in fact the horizontal resolution will get decimated by 256 pixel! rclxub.gif

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post Apr 21 2009, 03:26 PM

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What is the best way to scale to the native 1366x768 in the 50"? Does the WDTV allow you to output at 1366x768 (hope you don't mind my asking in this thread)? Or is it best to let the in-built scaler do the job?
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RM 4900.00 for 50x10k is darn good price even without freebies!! Worth it.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 21 2009, 09:27 AM)
Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others).  The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL)  will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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sorry la. I dunno also coz I'm still newbie sad.gif
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QUOTE(knickerboxers @ Apr 20 2009, 10:19 PM)
offer for plasma+camera only valid until 10 may? how much is the price after offer finish
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it shud be RM3,699.00, but probably with vouchers or something. i wonder how much can the camera be resold in lowyat?
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post Apr 22 2009, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(simon9968 @ Apr 21 2009, 11:54 PM)
it shud be RM3,699.00, but probably with vouchers or something. i wonder how much can the camera be resold in lowyat?
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I sold both my units, one at RM1k and another one at RM900. But not here, try selling at lelong. More elites there. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 22 2009, 08:32 AM

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I should change this thread title to include the 50" X series as well. thumbup.gif All X series users gather here.
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post Apr 22 2009, 11:21 AM

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I don't mind tumpang any of the bros here who want to buy the x10 and not want the s26 videocam. I top up the RM300 for it. PM me. smile.gif
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QUOTE(99below0 @ Apr 22 2009, 11:21 AM)
I don't mind tumpang any of the bros here who want to buy the x10 and not want the s26 videocam. I top up the RM300 for it. PM me. smile.gif
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LOL you cheapskate! tongue.gif

I topup RM500 for it, how? icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 22 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 22 2009, 11:25 AM)
LOL you cheapskate! tongue.gif

I topup RM500 for it, how?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ha ha, I know I'm cheap... but at least I thick-skinned enough to ask mah... who knows, maybe I get lucky? wink.gif
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haha, kianwee sold for RM900 - RM1,000 lar !!! yeah, i probably put up at the garage sale too.

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