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Diets & Supplements 100plus = good > bad ?

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post Mar 24 2009, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Mar 24 2009, 02:07 AM)
errr... salt as in metal salts not cooking salt.. they are still the electrolytes we are describing right? doesnt have to be sodium... agreed.

in 2 hours of badminton it is usually recommended 2 L of fluid, however i still think 1.5L of 100+ is too much. i jog 100 minutes everyday and usually my intake is a light mixture of ribena with cooking salt around 1L. before my fitness jogs i take 1L for every 1 hour and the intake lessen now.

the good thing about these drinks nowadays is vit C. oh, i am wondering is there gatorade here in msia? every1 in the states seems to be crazy over it.
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i'll agree with plain fluid intake...

and to answer the TS' question, i guess 100+ is okay after strenous exercise..but not okay if one drinks for leisure....

n yes, i worked for gatorade once about 5 years back, during my schol's sports day...distributing free gatorade....but i dont see their drinks in stalls...strange...
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Mar 23 2009, 11:43 PM)
... Usually from diarrhea? Wtf... A more commonly encountered cause of dehydration = exercise.
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I personally would not want to rely on 100+ for my replenishing after an exercise. It's too sweet to be good.


The reason why I only use it for diarrhea or vomit is because....let's face it, we'd rather really not drink water + cooking salt. In this case, the hundred plus with it's sweet taste will aid your appetite to chug it down.


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post Mar 24 2009, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Mar 24 2009, 02:07 AM)
errr... salt as in metal salts not cooking salt.. they are still the electrolytes we are describing right? doesnt have to be sodium... agreed.

in 2 hours of badminton it is usually recommended 2 L of fluid, however i still think 1.5L of 100+ is too much. i jog 100 minutes everyday and usually my intake is a light mixture of ribena with cooking salt around 1L. before my fitness jogs i take 1L for every 1 hour and the intake lessen now.

the good thing about these drinks nowadays is vit C. oh, i am wondering is there gatorade here in msia? every1 in the states seems to be crazy over it.
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You didn't read properly. TS said half of 1.5L for 2 hrs of badminton.
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post Mar 24 2009, 12:22 PM

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wat ever la.. half or full 1.5l for 2 hour badminton training.. jus biasa nia la.. not like u gonna die of hypothermia.. drink as much as u can.. but not in 1 go.. water will cos ur tummy in chinese cal "man chang" .. drink lightly but frequently.. too much fluid during training will jus make u feel slow..
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Mar 24 2009, 10:03 AM)
I personally would not want to rely on 100+ for my replenishing after an exercise. It's too sweet to be good.
The reason why I only use it for diarrhea or vomit is because....let's face it, we'd rather really not drink water + cooking salt. In this case, the hundred plus with it's sweet taste will aid your appetite to chug it down.
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Sports drinks are designed for athletes who push their bodies alot harder than the typical active person. Maybe it's too sweet to be good for you, but the small amount of carbohydrates provided seems to work for athletes, look at gatorade.

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Mar 24 2009, 12:42 PM
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post Mar 24 2009, 01:00 PM

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the main different between isotonic drink and plain water is its salt content (form 5 biology tongue.gif ). its used to replace ur body fluid faster than drinking plain water. and the reason why 100+ is carbonated, its taste nice. as one know, carbonated drinks swallow ur vit C in ur body.

if u wan to avoid carbonated drink, try to use Gatorade.... its non-carbonated isotonic drink thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(xavi5567 @ Mar 24 2009, 12:22 PM)
wat ever la.. half or full 1.5l for 2 hour badminton training.. jus biasa nia la.. not like u gonna die of hypothermia.. drink as much as u can.. but not in 1 go.. water will cos ur tummy in chinese cal "man chang" .. drink lightly but frequently.. too much fluid during training will jus make u feel slow..
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wat ever la.. half or full 1.5l for 2 hour badminton training.. jus biasa nia la.. not like u gonna die of hypothermia..
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if you want to build up your body ... just drink water

when your body is stressed .. it'll adapt itself and become stronger


there's also debate similiar to this, but it's about taking vit.c before exercise to cut down oxidization of cell, since vit.c is an anti-oxidant

some say yes, some say no ... for no, is becoz when body produce lactic acid while exercising due to lack of oxygen (which badminton ussually do), the body get stressed and becomes tired, but in doing so, the body get stronger the next day (after recovering)


enough say, the more you stress, and tax your body, the stronger it gets

but keep in mind, recovering is a part of exercise as well, the more you stress, the more recovering time is need in case of Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness (go google)


tip: the more sweat you drop, means the less salt content in your blood
tip: depending to the body activity & job , site workers has more salt content than office ppl, keep in mind not to exceed/decrease salt intake for health
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post Mar 24 2009, 02:51 PM

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i think 100+ is just a drink to refresh you. Not really give energy.





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QUOTE(Ngto @ Mar 24 2009, 11:34 AM)
You didn't read properly. TS said half of 1.5L for 2 hrs of badminton.
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oh, my bad... if it is 0.75L meaning a small bottle, then i think it is fine.

QUOTE(Ryeeson @ Mar 24 2009, 02:51 PM)
i think 100+ is just a drink to refresh you. Not really give energy.
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100+ is an isotonic drink not energy drink. u r right.
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Thin fellas will always say it's good, and fat fellas will always say it's bad.


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QUOTE(zeist @ Mar 24 2009, 07:49 PM)
Thin fellas will always say it's good, and fat fellas will always say it's bad.
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And the inbetween people will always say something in between.

It's really subjective isn't it. Some people will notice a difference because they're at a point where that little difference matters, some people won't and will do just as well with plain water.
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whenever i have diarrhoea doctor will recomend 100 plus without gas.
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At the end of the day, it's all about personal choice too.

The thing with bodybuilders is that normal nutrition rules do not necessarily apply to them in all cases. That's what I gather from malaysianPotato.

I suspect that the answer may lie in one of the many bodybuilding.com posts. The short time I had to glance too it, it had a lot of good information, including the mistakes to avoid that I'm currently seeing.

When you guys want to argue, argue with a bit more facts lah. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Mar 24 2009, 10:39 PM)
At the end of the day, it's all about personal choice too.

The thing with bodybuilders is that normal nutrition rules do not necessarily apply to them in all cases. That's what I gather from malaysianPotato.

I suspect that the answer may lie in one of the many bodybuilding.com posts. The short time I had to glance too it, it had a lot of good information, including the mistakes to avoid that I'm currently seeing.

When you guys want to argue, argue with a bit more facts lah. tongue.gif
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Wasn't pointing towards bodybuilders specifically. More in the general direction of athletes. Guys who push alot harder than the average active person for longer periods.
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QUOTE(ah liew @ Mar 24 2009, 10:08 PM)
whenever i have diarrhoea doctor will recomend 100 plus without gas.
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yea... a bit like eno but eno less calories i think... the main purpose is to prevent dehydration... but too much will cause water retentinoi n the body?
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QUOTE(Ngto @ Mar 24 2009, 02:33 PM)
wat ever la.. half or full 1.5l for 2 hour badminton training.. jus biasa nia la.. not like u gonna die of hypothermia..
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ROFL hypothermia is the artifical reduction of body heat to lower down metabolism. AKA sub normal body temperature tongue.gif When a person goes into hypothermia it is the body's mechanism trying to preserve itself.

Anyways back to topic. I'm not from Chemistry background nor Nutritional Science, but from what i know,

Isotonic drinks contain electrolytes and ions
Isotonic drinks are carbonated and have relatively high contents of sugar

I put isotonic drinks in the same basket with soda/pop like Coke, Pepsi and the likes. In my humble opinion, these drinks should be drunk as little as possible due to the sugar contents in it. If i am not wrong, there are about 9 tea spoons worth of sugar in one can of soda.

Does isotonic drink quench thirst better? I don't know
Does isotonic drink get absorbed quicker? I don't know

Mainly it is the sugar content (and price) of the isotonic drink versus normal boiled water.

Lastly a poster mentioned about water retention. I'm not sure of drinking alot of water causes water retention. Water retention usually happens mostly in women. I still am not fully knowledagable enough to say that water intake promotes it, but i don't think so.
Reasons are that each day we need to drink about 9 cups was it? of water to clean our system from toxins. (in not so many words, drink until your pee is white in color) hence i don't think that drinking a lot of water results in water retention.
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Mar 24 2009, 11:25 PM)
Wasn't pointing towards bodybuilders specifically. More in the general direction of athletes. Guys who push alot harder than the average active person for longer periods.
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Ah me bad. Sorry for that.
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QUOTE(Tatsumaki @ Mar 24 2009, 11:59 PM)
ROFL hypothermia is the artifical reduction of body heat to lower down metabolism. AKA sub normal body temperature tongue.gif When a person goes into hypothermia it is the body's mechanism trying to preserve itself.

Anyways back to topic. I'm not from Chemistry background nor Nutritional Science, but from what i know,

Isotonic drinks contain electrolytes and ions
Isotonic drinks are carbonated and have relatively high contents of sugar

I put isotonic drinks in the same basket with soda/pop like Coke, Pepsi and the likes. In my humble opinion, these drinks should be drunk as little as possible due to the sugar contents in it. If i am not wrong, there are about 9 tea spoons worth of sugar in one can of soda.

Does isotonic drink quench thirst better? I don't know
Does isotonic drink get absorbed quicker? I don't know

Mainly it is the sugar content (and price) of the isotonic drink versus normal boiled water.

Lastly a poster mentioned about water retention. I'm not sure of drinking alot of water causes water retention. Water retention usually happens mostly in women. I still am not fully knowledagable enough to say that water intake promotes it, but i don't think so.
Reasons are that each day we need to drink about 9 cups was it? of water to clean our system from toxins. (in not so many words, drink until your pee is white in color) hence i don't think that drinking a lot of water results in water retention.
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The concept behind sports drinks are that they provide a carbohydrate(energy source) boost while rehydrating you better than normal water(sodium) would and help to maintain your electrolyte level(cause water intoxication sucks).

Not all isotonic drinks are carbonated and they usually have abit less sugar than coke, pepsi, etc.

So it's not really the sugar content that makes them different in comparison to normal water, it's the total package and the way it's formulated for specific users(lot's of different kinds of sports drinks with different nutritional values).

This post has been edited by malaysianPotato: Mar 25 2009, 01:22 AM
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post Mar 25 2009, 09:52 AM

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if u wan to boost your energy, y dont u try to eat BANANA? it full of simple carbohydrate and easy to be digested.

i use them when i go for hiking. i also saw Rafael Nadal eat them in tennis tournaments. smile.gif

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