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TSmoorish
post Oct 9 2009, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 03:46 PM)
Can can, did I say cannot ? I thought I always emphasized that it's her right to do so.
But as always what I'm saying is you impose standards on guys, guys can also impose standards on you and girls cannot complain about it. That's all I'm saying.
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guys have always imposed standard on girls, would you marry a fat ugly woman?

QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 9 2009, 03:52 PM)
Rich
Synonyms: These adjectives mean having an abundant supply of money, property, or possessions of value: a rich executive; an affluent banker; a speculator flush with cash; not merely rich but loaded; moneyed heirs; wealthy corporations.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth
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so how much income is consider rich?

QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Oct 9 2009, 03:53 PM)
oh....., still i need to hear from her
and i still don't know why she is taking over her hushband account, instead of creating her own
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I tried creating one long ago but says duplicate account, so have to use this one.

QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 03:55 PM)
So are you saying MOST prostitutes are working as prostitutes so that their bro and sis can get proper education? I'm talking about the majority here not your minority.

Which part of the sentence below that you don't understand?
"Also most prostitutes become prostitutes, and this was in an article in the Star section2 a few years back, not because they were forced to, but because it's better money, and that comes from the horse's mouth."
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I find that you're an arrogant man sitting high at your castle in the sky, I dun even know why I'm debating with you, so would skip your posting.
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post Oct 9 2009, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 9 2009, 04:01 PM)
To TS,

What is your opinion about this? What if your husband tells you about this? How do you feel?

“Guys loves polygamy, and be proud of it.”
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if he tells me now then I would say is a cheat, if he tells me earlier he wouldnt be my husband today.



QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 9 2009, 04:11 PM)
Fast forward to today, we no longer require lazy girls to entertain us, money took a new meaning, money = more hot girls. So guy will marry the girls when they are super hot and this is why the quote “ada wang ada banyak ahmoi”. From the statistic, girls are more than guys. Meaning the probability to hit more than 1 girl is higher.

As a well-educated guy, I wouldn’t agree.
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I dun think so I'll whine with a hurt egos, i know plenty of man who do it in real life, I dun slam them. But the question back to you is do you have what it takes?

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post Oct 9 2009, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 04:26 PM)
Yes I find that you cannot comprehend statements and debate properly. You resort to calling ppl arrogant when their views doesn't match yours and you like to twist people's statements. Thank you for you criticism.

sorry if I've got emo, just that I really cant debate with you, your view and disrespect for the unfortunate and blame their misfortune onto themselfs are just too emo for me.


So don't complain ya if your husband has a standard on you as well. It's your right to impose standards on your husband so your husband can also impose standards on you. You cannot complain. You must look pretty even though you're in your 40s just like Gong Li. Better put more SK2 now.

As mention, character flaw in future is in another phase: same like if I marry an average guy he too has equal chances of having another girl out there in future.

you cannot use
rich are not loyal
poors are saints into this debate


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post Oct 9 2009, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 04:53 PM)
See when I ask you whether most of the prostitutes are doing this to send their brother and sister to school you keep quiet and refuse to answer the question. Instead you sudddenly became emo , resort to calling ppl arrogant and say that I disrespect for the unfortunate. It's as though you're resorting to name calling to cover up your inability to answer a simple question.

Have you done a statistic that most prost do it for fun bcoz they;re lazy, only a handful do it coz they needed the money badly? Coz with the few limited prostitute fren I know all have their sad stories which I know wasnt made up to cover her lust for that latest mobile phones, I know the bf and it seem to tally.

Just coz your newspaper interview a few and you assume all are like that, but seriously you do look down on the unfortunate.

My inability? how many of your lame post I've shot down? one of the example


QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 03:40 PM)

Well there's KFC, restaurant for you to work so why must one prostitute to earn money? If they are capable of prostituting I'm sure they pretty much capable of washing plates or become a promoter at some shopping complex.

  Also most prostitutes become prostitutes, and this was in an article in the Star section2 a few years back, not because they were forced to, but because it's better money, and that comes from the horse's mouth.
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and my answer to you
QUOTE(moorish @ Oct 9 2009, 03:49 PM)
thats why ask you read properly, you seriously think they;re dumb? you're arrogant.

sick mom...bro and sis so young, no money, if she work in KFC she can only fend for herselfs and leave the family to die. This is exactly what whitecollar girls do.

Thats why I've great respect for these girls and actually respect them more than those career woman you talk about.

They do this so family can survive, so bro and sis get proper education so no need to end up in slums.

open your eyes and dun snub them.
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deserve a facepalm doh.gif
When can you get into the very thick skull of yours that I'm not talking about rich or poor. I'm saying that if you place a standard on a guy, the guy can also place a standard on you regardless of whether he's poor or rich.
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I think you;ve a thicker skull, plus blind, I've edi mention so many times guys can set whatever standard they like, if they think they're worth, which they've been doing all this while anyway but afraid to admit, otherwise all the fat ugly girls wont find it a problem to get married.

but if you;re refering to my husband changing his mind after we got married then its a problem, coz he convinced me he love me deeply just as I convinced him I dun treat him like an ATM machine.

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post Oct 9 2009, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(sinchro @ Oct 9 2009, 05:08 PM)
i'm also coming from the point of view that money = security.

okay, but how would u answer to my statement that alot of mothers happy with their family without being money minded? how often do u see that certain scenario like u said? more than mothers happy with their families?

there you said it again???? where got balance??? hence I asked earlier if a 2k guy can do that in KL?


those girls were simply stupid, and the husbands werent loving enough to strive harder for the family. but choosing money over would also hurt in the long run, simply balance is the best lah. thats it, easy to understand. i've stressed balance many times already, but u wont listen.

I've stressed so many times, you choose a husband from teh small pool of rich people, rich in my terms not necessary datuk level....rich direct chinese trasnlate "yau chin"  and try to fall in love from there, just like how normal girls would choose to avoid bangla or indon and only give change to white collar guys

I'm sure if bangle and indon are here they would start another debate, but just coz your standard are high you dun feel hurt, same goes to capable man wont feel hurt by this.



i don't, thats why i didn't say anything about them choosing love or handsome of whatever factors over one another. its only u thats basing. i'm simple stating the possibility.
yeap, but u forgot social. and are u saying prehistoric people arent capable of love? sure its dangerous, but even in tough times, love prevails? whistling.gif
if not, then at least humans have evolved to the point where we can feel and know love.

You seriously think we survive from days of T-rex till now is because of love? doh.gif
and not because of our ability to hunt and protect the family from animals?

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Added on October 9, 2009, 5:46 pm
QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 05:36 PM)


OK. If you have agreed then I have nothing to say. Just make sure you don't whine and complain later on about your husband later on ok.
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yu still dun understand is it thumbup.gif you're a miracle rclxub.gif

you mean in future I cannot complaint if he leave me coz I dun look young and beautiful anymore? of coz I can, if thats the case then if he runs low then I'm supposed to leave him for a richer guy...I really lost you there

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post Oct 9 2009, 05:52 PM

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I find so many flaws in you

QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 05:24 PM)
Please la nowadays, women who work share the household chores with the husband. Some hire maid so that they can cope with the housework. And if you think delivering babies is hard for the next 9 months, wait till you have the pressure of having enough finances for your children for the next 30 years. Yes, mental pressure and work pressure for the next 30 years.

Ever wondered why women live longer than guys ?

this is simply genetic


Also it's a two way thing, women do not understand how hard is it to support the family, provide education to the kids and have enough money. They assume if you work hard = success but the funny thing is they can't be rich themselves.

first you expect the woman to work and help sapot the family then you say woman have no idea about finding money.


Why can so many career woman juggle between family and work but Moorish cannot? Who is more pathetic here?
Not trying to put my self so high, but people like those datins are pathetic coz they dun work coz thier husband is rich and capable? I lost you again


As I said if you put a standard on guys, guys can also use the same standard against you.

will you marry an ugly fat woman?



Added on October 9, 2009, 5:26 pm

Are you speaking on her behalf that she doesn't oppose ?
So can I assume based on your statement tat she doesn't oppose that the husband has the right to demand that she still look pretty at the age of 45. After all he's still rich at the age of 45.
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doh.gif doh.gif I didnt marry a shallow guy, same as I wont leave him when he runs low



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post Oct 9 2009, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 05:48 PM)
Sorry I don't hold the same view .  It's the same thing as both are expectations. I'm not disagreeeing with money getting you security.

I'm saying if she expects financial capability in a guy , a guy can also expect beauty in a girl and if SHE CANNOT provide it in the future, and IF the HUSBAND go out have an affair because she no longer provide the beauty then she CANNNOT complain about it.


I've never ever mention this, but since you insist, do you notice most of the rich guys get beautiful girls?
Girl and guy already know this long ago since adams times


Again nothing to do with rich or not, it's more like you EXPECT you have to GIVE. If you can't GIVE, you can't EXPECT. If you want to EXPECT and not GIVE, you can't complain. Period.
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error 404,
you're arguing later leave you because you;re no more beautiful, this is the part about rich and poor guys chances of happening is the same.


Added on October 9, 2009, 5:59 pm
QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 9 2009, 05:53 PM)
If you can leave a guy because they are not financially secure enough why can't a guy do the same to you if you're not pretty enough ? Who are you, that the rules must be skewed to your benefit?

If you think you can at the age of 45 please go ahead. Please please do. Lets see which rich guy will accept an old divorcee.
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Oh gosh when and where have you got the idea that I will leave my husband if he runs low????
you're taking so much of my time, I told you I didnt want to debate with you anymore because you;re shooting blanks, and facepalm to myself really why I still do it doh.gif

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post Oct 10 2009, 09:01 AM

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wow, so long duno where to start....anyway here goes to sincro first coz he PM me with this

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in my opinion, a happy family is a balance family. i did not see that 2k guy question, i dont even see how its relevant to anything i said. u seriously need 2 read my posts, then DIRECTLY reply, but that seems to be an impossible task for u.

heck, what u replied didnt even answer the question i gave u, shows how elusive u try to be.

a 2k guy? okay, no way, he wont survive. but that'll only be stupid of him to even think of taking care of a family.
i never did say for a 2k guy to take care of his family, u said it. he can work harder from then onwards, string to protect his family, and that requires love.

this'll be the last time before i give up and stop looking at this nonsensical thread has become. precisely why people like silverhawk stop posting, coz they know what a troll u are.

Silver didnt come here maybe he is busy or maybe he cant prove me wrong, he at least dun simply attack wihout covering his back and get snapped

Actually if you've follow this from the beginning, everyone say average guy will do, average income in malaysia is 2-3k for guys agree? hence I use the 2k quote, ok I'm being a bit dramatic I couldve use 3k, so if you complaint I use the top of the average that is 3k.

So do you think the happy family you've describe will work in KL, with 3k salary?

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I've stressed so many times, you choose a husband from teh small pool of rich people, rich in my terms not necessary datuk level....rich direct chinese trasnlate "yau chin"  and try to fall in love from there, just like how normal girls would choose to avoid bangla or indon and only give change to white collar guys
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what has this to do with what i saidd? why do u highlight your agendas so much? give consideration to what i POSTED not what you want to stress so badly. i never said anything about choosing how rich a person is, u said it, AGAIN.

because you keep saying rich and no love or choosing the rich over love right?
So I'm saying I'm only giving the rich a chance for me to fall in love, just like
I will only narrow down my choice of husband only for chinese.
You're chinese you;ve no problem with this
if you're indon and bangla, you will start the same arguement with me...
choosing race over love, means I put race first instead of love.


Do you agree? or you still wanna argue with me? you wont coz you fit in the requirement?
hence you dun give a hood for those down there
same as the rich has no problem with my theory,
but the average income has a problem.



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You seriously think we survive from days of T-rex till now is because of love? doh.gif
and not because of our ability to hunt and protect the family from animals?

you didnt answer this part did you?


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another thing ur gaining reputation here for, NOT FRIGGING READING PEOPLE'S REPLIES PROPERLY AND JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.

i bet u wont even read this one properly, which only further proves my point.

i never did say just LOVE alone, i said its a possbility its one of the factors. how hard is that to understand?

oh now you say love is part of the survival?...
nobody can prove if love is part of the reason we survive, you try to prove this theory here since you brought it up.

I've prove my theory to you thatt basic survival instinct is definite reason, hunt and protect and start family


spending a good amount of the day here twisting and turning and highlighting ur agendas, inconsistent arguements etc shows ur just a pathetic TROLL that has nothing to do at home.


I'm not a troll just because you cant debate or phail to see my point, you think I;m a troll?
infact I think you're a hurt troll, coz you keep attacking from different angle, with no relevant point at all?
like love is the reason we're here today since T-rex time..

pls prove to me since you suspect it...or you gonna say I just imagine it?


u say some people keep quiet and never reply to some of your questions/statements?
well i can dig up a whole lot where u didnt either ma'am, like the one where dickson was criticizing u for not taking care of ur baby well.
u didnt do squat about it.

Dickson was proven a phailed debater like viper88, they just attack with no relevent point worth debating...you've just quote this...he question if I was a female..
if I even take care of my baby or mom is doing it
I'm a phail mama
you said it your words in here, do you not think this is out of topic that I do not respond to them?
or everything they ask I must comply to answer?

Do you even know what is debate? alamak...open your eyes b4 you critize that I'm a lousy debater



next i bet ur reply wont even be in context, averted, twisted and turned until it seem like u won. which only proves my point even further, so the best thing u can do now is dun reply at all, if u do, then.....sorry ma'am.

go take care of your child please, why need 2 spend whole day here?
loving and taking care of your child should be the highest kind of happiness u can get.
ur a lucky woman, so be one please, having a child is the greatest miracle and happiness u can get. god.....

First of all you think I'm here 24/7 ready reply all  your question kah, if you notice everyday around 5 I stop responding, have to cook for hubby and dinner and spend time with family. So wait la, just take a break you say I'm running away, so eager you think got prize ah?


Added on October 10, 2009, 9:28 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 9 2009, 06:25 PM)
Moorish, I'd appreciate it if you could address this so I can better understand, thanks.

The thing is I do see logic in your argument. However you tend to use the word, "rich" a lot but then go on to say that you aren't expecting a BMW. Rather, you have found someone that can provide for the family with shelter, food, and an education for your kid. The thing is I don't think a person needs to be rich to provide the items I listed. The thing is your posts seem to indicate that in order to provide the necessities, a person has to be rich, which I don't get.
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Rich coming from a chinese speaking, "yau chin", means like you put it abundant, got extra got saving, can afford a house or more, a car or more, a kid or more, insurance for everybody, rich like a guy who earn 10k or more.

so how do you define rich?
10k? 100k? 1000k income?



Added on October 10, 2009, 9:37 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 9 2009, 07:44 PM)
I'm just wondering why you have an extra "y".
It's human instinct for a woman to stay home and not want a career? Erm... have you looked around you lately? How many women do you know with no career? If anything, it's human instinct to survive, even if it means relying on someone other than ourselves. Survival instinct is something that's in our DNA. It's why you can't kill yourself by holding your breath. It isn't however natural for all women to want to be housewives and not have a career. Again, I'm not knocking housewives. I'm knocking women who expect to be taken care of.

If you ask most woman why they insist a career...normal career, like OL, sales and so on they will tell you because man was inadequate to provide hence they've to come out to work, you ask them is it fun to be a mother and go work? they will tell you ask him to try do it.

if you interview them and ask if your husband one day become rich, do you want to be a fultime mother? i think you get the answer yes in 95% of normal below 3k earner.

another reason they work is they know deep inside a part from helping the man, they need something to defend themslves incase he change his heart.
man cannot be trust is a common believe you know.

Lastly like debbie highlight so many times, guys can be the sole bread winner, instead of asking,
they are demanding we help them


I've to bring this up once again. You and moorish talk about finding a rich guy, or being with a guy with the potential to be rich. Then you go on to say that it's about a man providing for his family. So which is it? A rich guy, or a guy who can provide for his family? You don't need to be rich to provide for your family. If you did, middle to lower income families would all be living in cardboard boxes.

Oh yeah, and who said I called all homemakers gold diggers? Again, it's different if you take it up when offered, than when you set out expecting it. Do you see the difference or is it the same to you?
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Added on October 10, 2009, 9:41 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 9 2009, 08:28 PM)
Did I say you were wrong? I'm just disagreeing with you.

You reckon women who work want to be taken care of? Of course they do. You are choosing however to focus purely on the financial aspect of being taken care of. Unless I'm reading it wrong, you are saying men should be expected to take care of their spouses financially. If this is true, I disagree with the mindset. I'm not saying it's wrong for a guy to take care of a girl. I'm saying I don't care for women who go looking for it. Yes I appreciate the difficulties of being a housewife, but at the same time I have deep admiration for career women who can balance their time between work and family. I doubt you're going to say that women who work make worse mothers are you?

Its proven fact career mother makes worse mother as compared to full time mother, hence develop country is campaigning SAHM

One more time then. I'm not saying you or Moorish are wrong, I'm saying I don't agree.
I beg you to try to understand sentences after you read them. I said that there is nothing wrong in a man wanting to provide for his family, heck that's what I'm working towards. Once again, I'm saying I don't agree that women should expect men to do so. I'm sure I'll feel great being able to provide for my family, but more so that I'm working to realise my potential. That isn't the point. How can I make this clearer? Need me to draw illustrations?
Why are you assigning a value? It isn't the point. Before that, what is the point of your question again? Ok I'll play along. I don't know what the answer is. Give it to me and let me know what you're trying to say.

You seem to like jumping from point to point without addressing questions that were posed to you. You'll note that I'm not the only one to have said this.
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Added on October 10, 2009, 9:51 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 9 2009, 08:40 PM)
I couldn't help but interject. This has to be one of the lamest answers I've ever seen on LYN.

Women have to work because more and more men are losers?

Firstly, that's an insult to women who actually WANT to have careers. Has it ever occured to you that more and more women are working because they have goals other than being a housewife? Now that the playing field is even and women are not discriminated against anymore, options are opening up and it's not uncommon for men to have women bosses. Why did these women work to hard to get there? So that they could support their lame ass husbands? Can't be because they want recognition, respect, and a sense of self-worth? Then again you probably haven't met any because of the whole "birds of a feather" syndrome.

Secondly, a lot of men I know are doing just fine but it seems that although you say, men should be able to provide for their families, you keep also using the word, "rich".

Lastly, has it ever occured to you that cost of living in KL has risen so dramatically, it's really hard for a single income family to live comfortably these days? Look at property prices in the Klang Valley. Look at the escalating petrol prices. Are you aware of what's happening around you? Do you realise the world is facing an economic recession right now? People are getting laid off and not all of them because they suck are their jobs.

Seriously Debbie, that was a very shallow answer.
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More and more woman comes out to work, because their granmother and their mother told them to fend for themselves because man are unreliable. Its coming from a defective point of view about man.

Something like those days we dun need to take supplementary for vitamins and minerals, but nowadays we do, and its something to be proud of, it is actually not, it means the food is not giving us the nutrient


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post Oct 10 2009, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 9 2009, 09:54 PM)
Moorish and debbieyss.

What is happiness to you?

What is LOVE to you?

Have y'all lose faith?

What do you even understand about a soul mate?
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now soulmate is a heavy word to use, if you meet that soul mate whom happen to be a bum apa macam?



Added on October 10, 2009, 10:19 am
QUOTE(blitzboy @ Oct 10 2009, 01:13 AM)
Moorish.

You said I look down on fulltime mothers, which is too general.  Don't you DARE try to link yourself to some fulltime mothers that are more competent and capable and with good attitude and mindset than you.


I LOOK DOWN ON FULLTIME MOTHERS WHO ARE  LAZY INCAPABLE AND INCOMPETENT AND ONLY KNOW HOWS TO LEECH MONEY FROM THEIR HUSBAND!!!! EVEN PROSTITUTES DESERVE SOME RESPECT TO THE LEAST  THEY  ARE WILLING TO WORK THEMSELVES TO EARN MONEY !!!!!!
YOU ARE WORST THAN ANY OF THEM !!!!! BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT THE FULLTIME MOTHER WHO DESERVE RESPECT. WORST STILL NOT WORTHY OF A MAN TO INVEST HIS LOVE TIME AND MONEY ON YOU.

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I and many others look highly on men and women who work hard together to create the environment that ALLOWS women TO retire and be a fulltime
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I look down on man whom are impotent to provide and yet whine in here, go build your career instead of wasting your time, if you manage to prove me wrong you think you can tackle megan fox tomoro with your misearable salary?

And yes I didnt read the rest of your posting because you phaild to debate like a man



Added on October 10, 2009, 10:22 am
QUOTE(roxxor89 @ Oct 10 2009, 12:34 AM)
Ask yourself this, what are the chances of a rich man bothering to splurge his cash to a super-sexy-chick for an extended period of time if she cant provide even 1/4 of his definition of happiness? (Sex, Servitude, etc)   brows.gif

What are the chances of a rich man staying true and loyal to his girl if she is the fully dedicated wife?  brows.gif
For women:

Regardless of how above average/hot/ms.universe your looks are, your dedication as a women HAS.A.PRICE

For men:

Regardless of how lovely and loyal you are to your girl, you HAVE.A.PRICE
A man's financial status is certainly every women's important focus, however most have unrealistic expectations and fail to measure themselves up to their demands.
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I'm coming from even the woman wants to be with him but he is incapable of providing or convince her that he be able to take care of her, she wants to start a family with him and that is good moral.

But you're coming from character flaws of a man with shallow thinking, heartless and the motive and intention behind is purely to have fun.

You still didnt get the point, it was about starting a family not about BMW hence I say mother instinct not kick in.



Added on October 10, 2009, 10:24 am
QUOTE(blitzboy @ Oct 10 2009, 01:01 AM)
debbiesys and spunkberry are very mature in their thinking and stand on the side of reality, and ready to take on challenge of being working mothers

they deserve my fullest respect.  notworthy.gif
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there again I caught you, you've more respect for working mothers, people who earn money, but fulltime mothers are seen less respectful (now this is coming from you)

Aint you money minded too? gosh talk about me being money minded.



Added on October 10, 2009, 10:31 am
QUOTE(Looi @ Oct 10 2009, 02:19 AM)
i m back for more entertainment.  laugh.gif
I have highlighted this few pages ago. They couldnt differentiate between sufficient/decent income vs rich. Moorish asked me how rich is consider rich. Perhaps, I can ask my previous kindergarten teacher to teach her how to define rich and how do you use this word in your sentence. Please dont bring in your old chinese mentality to forum lah, mrs housewife.

Some members even asked her education level LMAO~~~

@spunkberry- Leave them some face lah. You are a female, you are supposed to be side with them, like map and other bandwagon trolls. HAHAHA.  icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on October 10, 2009, 2:26 am
I always love you spunkberry, I always do.  wub.gif

redduke, they are taking you for a ride again LOL
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I've asked you about how much is considered rich and until now you still running away from this question which you even show me an online dictionary, and now what? you wanna ask your kindergarten teacher? doh.gif

my education is form 3, and if you cant debate with a form 3 drop out....pls reconsider and think again how competitive this world has got

so how much is rich mr smartass

3K, 5k, 10K, 100k or 1000k income permonth?

Now this is like the 5th time you brought it up and asked you back.


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QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 9 2009, 08:33 PM)
Whatever.
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thats your best come back line? you couldve at least say you agree or not agree.


QUOTE(POYOZER @ Oct 10 2009, 11:30 AM)
You think you are old enough to understand the real world? You are just 28.
And don’t look down at guys in CC. You didn’t even know their background. I’ve met many, what can I say, I believe some are even richer than your husband.
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Dun look dont on guys at CC?
Theyre guys that doesnt respect or lesser respect for fulltime mom
there guys who label full time mom as prostitute, leecher, shamelessly asking money from husband.
Are these respectable guys to be champion?

or post is simply to "loh fab goh mei choy"? means winning the last consolation comeback line?

I think I can guarantee you is my life experience is far more richer than most of you.


QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 10 2009, 11:31 AM)
Sorry to say this,debbie,from your post above,you arent any different from moonrish now.

How about modern day women who works and strive hard to have a secure future for herself or with her other half? Do you just expects that all women should find a rich husband and marry him to be a full time housewife? At the same time,giving up all her achievements in the work force for a family. I dont see why one should do that.

This is the 21st century,not back in the 1950s where women do not work at all which is completely different from now, where women works and some of the time,achieves better than men.

I believe in gender equality and the freedom of choice,than men should work and women takes care of the family at home.
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First of all this is never about woman not working after married,
its about the husband expect and demand the wife to work,
then also expect the wife to play mother and also chip in on finacial.

You could've at least admit, money is difficult to find, if get a wife willing or able to help out then yu're greatful.


QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 10 2009, 11:36 AM)
A soul mate is not important to you?
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Another interesting aspect to debate:

Thats why I say such a heavy word to use...soulmate
and that is why I ask what if the soul mate is a bum?
Do we go on believing in the name of love and marry him and have children and then children all end up no education or mat rempit?

Or do we follow my concept and find a man we love lesser but can provide security and comfortable life for our children, interesting angle.

Lets debate on this and see where it goes.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 11:53 AM)
I don't define it by a quantifiable figure. You should know by now that in my arguments I never use tangible figures because I don't believe in looking at a bunch of numbers when you pick someone. "Rich" can be misleading because it's obvious from these discussions that people have different definitions. The most common indicating that one is upper class.

And that is why you shouldnt attack on the rich part, because neither you nor I can put an exact figure on what is call rich. So you should just let it be.

To very poor people, 5k is super rich, another famous word would be "fatt tatt"
to a millionaire 5k salary he would die and its extreme poverty.




Added on October 10, 2009, 11:57 am

Well we don't live in an ideal world. Unlike "fortunate" women like you, many other women work to help provide the best for their kids. Nurturing a kid is one thing, but then you have to consider education. Which parent would not want to send their kids to the best schools.

Seriously I intend to send Noreen to normal chinese school, no need private or internation school, sekolah kebangsaan would be my choice. Reason is I want her to be down to earth, to see and feel the normal peoples life like what I've been thru, this way I believe she would grow to be a better person.


You say it's proven. Well I'm not going to ask for facts because all I know is a lot of people I know, myself included were raised by working parents and I turned out alright. In fact, we all turned out alright. Some of our mothers are single and stay with us. We have good jobs, and are comfortable. How much better could we turn out? I don't know but I'm happy with the way I was brought up.

It is proven trust me, coz recently I've read books on nurturing children and read the same fact from 3 very famous Doc, Gleen Doman and Janet Doman, and another book by Dr. Portman.

About turning out alright, then S26 and breast milk baby also can grow up and become doctor, why bother with breast milk?

It is however proven breastmilk give higher IQ and less health problem because they contain antibodi.


Added on October 10, 2009, 12:00 pm

God do you realise how shallow you sound? You have to work because men are defective?  rclxms.gif

Well then women only have themselves to blame for not being able to fend for themselves isn't it? Geeze I actually took some of your viewpoints seriously until you said this. Good luck living in your medieval world. I hope for your sake, you never have to fend for yourself.
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Maybe you dun come from a female point of view, like I say if you talk to girls, and when they're comfortable then start questioning them, why a career or a skill work for the less fortunate, which my mom also ask me to learn like hairstylist or cooking, she always say at least anything happen to, like your man leave, you and baby you wont become hungry. This has been program and buried deep into chinese girls mentality.

Maybe some girls wont admit this, just like they want a rich husband but deny they went for teh guy part of the reason is he is rich.

QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 12:01 PM)
DEFINITION OF RICH: You keep spending your money but your money just won't finish. Poof. Gone. Now THATS rich.
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Well I believe everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich rclxms.gif

if everyday I buy keropok lekur, then I can probably last a few hundred years
If everyday I buy BMW wonder how many days I can last.



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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Oct 10 2009, 12:14 PM)
In the animal kingdom, male animals will do their best to lure the females. Like birds. The one with the bestest nest wins the female, etc...

in human world, women too chooses the bestest male to mate. But, in humans, things get screwed up, and goes haywire. Thats why animals live in harmony to their ecosystem, but humans will destroy everything they touch. In the human kingdom, the weak survives equally with the strong. So you have weak genes running about.

So one cannot apply animal kingdom rules to human kingdom rules.

Women must know their place. Be submissive and feed the family & work WHILE taking care of it (ie cooking, washing cleaning etc). Husbands just relax in front of TV and read newspaper.

Thats all folks
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Now they realize they've to pay more and suddenly change tag? rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 01:53 PM)
After all that has been said, I'd like to focus on a couple of points.

Women work because men are "defective" and cannot provide for the family
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About the defective part, I was being a bit dramatic coz the way you put it you dun like the woman to demand to stay at home but you and others demand the woman to work and trying to convince us how great it is. I'm just arguing this, why woman need to work, because man can be the sole provider hence it is the disability of the man to play the sole provider and NEED the help of the woman.

So it is defective..(just put a bit of punch)



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QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:10 PM)
lol you're seriously bad at understanding what CC people are trying to tell you and what the definition of rich is.
I did NOT say everyone spend money daily then everyone is rich.
I said if you can't finish spending what you earn, or you can afford loads of luxurious stuff, you are rich.
You're just some shallow minded showoff.
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Not another one doh.gif

ok then tell me what is rich ...

2k, 5k, 10k, 100k, 1000k a month?

Since you so smart and bring this up, I duno the answer...enlighten everyone here.
and you call me a showoff...now your turn to show how smart are you?


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM)
The to clarify things, I'm not demanding that women work, never did in any of my posts. I'm stating that a lot of women these days want a career. This was in reference to your suggestion that women work because they have to. The examples I gave are of women who chose to excel in their professional lives. They weren't forced into it. Gone are preconceived notions that it's a man's world and women should stay home and make babies. It's probably this belief that leads to some women these days expecting to be taken care of monetarily speaking.
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After reading your passed post ok sorry you didnt demand, you just hate woman who demand to stay at home. It was some other smart guys who demand woman must work to help him out of his incompetence.

Actually the modern chinese woman make sure and as mention in my previous post, they have a career or skilled, I dun deny this part, it is good to have a skill which I myself have. This is to protect ourselves in case anything happen bad happen to our life we've plan B. And nope it is not running to another rich man.

This debate from the start, I've never ever said anything about woman once married must stay at home. Pls recheck my posting.




QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:27 PM)
OMG you're seriously shallow.
you keep asking the same question =.=
and since when i wanna showoff how smart i am? I'm not a showoff like u.
And in any amount u can be rich as long as your money can't be finish spending no matter on what OMG which of that u don't understand?
and rich doesnt mean buying luxury items then you're rich. everyone can buy wat. =.=
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OMG to you and 5 facepalm also.
You are saying if everyday you keep spending and money doesnt finish that person only can call rich.
gosh arguing with you is like arguing with my niece...

but anyway its fun to argue with her,
so what are we talking about when spending everyday?

buy RM1 of keropok lekur?
Buy BMW?
Buy airplane?

tell me...I didnt keep asking the same question, its you guys kept trying to find shoot down my theory about richman which I've mention in title.

It is really guys like you incapable to debate yet so hurt you like to call people shallow la, stupid la, prostitute la, hey you know its really shameful, you're man....debate with a housewife also must start name calling?



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QUOTE(roxxor89 @ Oct 10 2009, 10:56 AM)
Ah...maternal instinct. I understand where you're going at. Sorry its just that from the way your posting it USUALLY seems as if ur refering to just the BMW. Could be just me, but sorry for misunderstanding nonetheless.
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from the very first post it was about "mother insticnt not kicked in" so it is about starting a family, but then just because it involve richman guys here start saying the prime motive is that silver BMW


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QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 03:41 PM)
LOL you're worse than ur niece in understanding stuff. anyway I'm bored, same points the whole while. Am outta here, good luck in argueing with 1 point only bye.
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You another fella with your last consolation come back line?
You started the theory that everyday spend money cannot finish only call rich
I ask you to prove and you LOL me?

At least say ok sorry I miss quote it, or say its only meant for fun...dun be so ego la.
cannot prove and say you're bored...

dun go away....stay like how LOOI stayed and watch, he cant wait for someone to prove me wrong so he can LOL and facepalm me, pity him you know, he's been lurking like a week edi.

I'm hvg high pressure here debating like with 10 guys which poly say are guys with much more life experience




QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 03:42 PM)
Mmm but by saying that it's proven stayhome moms make better mothers, doesn't it indicate that you feel all women should be housewives? If they have careers, your post suggests they aren't as good a parent. So yeah, they can work if they want to but someone like you for example or any other housewife will always be the better parent? I don't want to make assumptions here which is why I'm checking with you.
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True, on the mother part that full time mother is better than working mother, and plenty of fathers know about this too, but problem is not many are able to afford, so both parents have to work.

So about mothers who want to work or stay home is another debate, some mother cannot stand or handle crying babies, or some baby are extra notty just wont stop crying, like noreen is one, I've to carry her on the lap and type.

I think you've mention about this that you would prefer your wife to look after the children too right?

OK lets look at the baby part, baby start learning and thier brain development starts even b4 birth, after birth baby learn from the first day. Babies can feel love, when a baby cry and gets difficult to pacify, a soft repeating whisper like mama love you, sayang baby on the ear will calm the baby down, baby doesnt actually understand this words but they can feel the love and emotion.

Parents who are stressed up and fight baby will cry. So a warm home is important for the development of baby.

Every waking moment, mummy will play with baby, even changing diapers mummy will talk and make baby laugh, a baby that is left crying continously will grow up with a few point lesser IQ as compared to a baby receiving plenty of love and care.

even feeding, working mom can only express their milk and leave to caretaker to feed, a genuine breastfed baby will not only gain BM but the bonding with mother, when baby feels secure and not left alone, baby development progress better, this is proven fact that breastfed baby chances of getting ADHD and ADD are less.

plenty more things la, too long to type edi.


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 10 2009, 04:15 PM)
When i pointed out days ago in the other threads that euphoria is a bimbo no one wanted to believe  sad.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 04:27 PM)
Now I'm left wondering how much smarter I could have been had my mom not worked.
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You're babies right? get this 2 books

How smart is your baby by Gleen and Janet Doman
Many people in malaysia now begin to follow her child training program

and

Raise a smarter child by kindergarten by David Perlmutter


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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 10 2009, 04:27 PM)
I think u have a competitor thread.
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ok lets go over there rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 04:34 PM)
Confusion. Are you implying that I'm a baby or are you asking if I have any? Anyway the answer to both is no.
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sorry typo there, coz I thought when you mention you prefer your wife to stay at home you edi have babies, anyway next time you get baby, try this 2 books out.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 06:03 PM)
What's worrying is that u gave so many reasons why u think women work and none of them have to do with wanting a sense of achievement. It's pleasurable being in the military? Thatcher was forced to be PM by her husband? Did u read my post? Your other reason was that they work to provide for their kids. So why not just do the bare minimum? Why overachieve? What about single women then? What do they work for? I don't know about u or your generation of women but I know a lot who do well at their jobs because they enjoy having careers. U probably can't relate though.

As for the rest of your post, I think it's more relevant to a parenting thread. My friends and I aren't into crime and we all had working parents. There is no ideal situation. We adapt to the changing environment. Many women have. By that I don't mean that u go out and work if u want to be a housewife. I mean u need to change your mindset to accept that some choose to work out of free will. Ask around.
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There're woman who are reallt career minded, but when we go out into the real world, how many percent are really hardcore workaholic and how many work to survive? same goes to man.

So generally I would say woman work just to survive.

But you seem to ignore all my explanation about working woman, I'm a woman and 99% of my frens all are woman we talk everyday, so I know their feeling and perspective.

Thats why I asked you earlier talk to more woman why they work, and you'll get a statistic only a small percent hope to gain high post like CEO and not prepared to stay home to be fulltime mother, they trive to be successful.




QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 10 2009, 06:03 PM)
1st: Aren't you a bum too when you expect men to be the ONLY provider of the family?

2nd: Just because your soul mate is a bum, you give up hope?

Aren't you the REAL bum here?
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I dun think so I'm a bum, generally most woman want their man to be the sole provider, but problem is how many man are capable to do so.
ask around woman, if your husband is rich do you expect him to be the sole provider?
Yes I would give up hope if my soulmate is a bum.


QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 06:07 PM)
she claims he's not her soulmate =.= anyway why waste time here.. she thinks shes right no matter what u say, why argue? =.=
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yes my husband is not my soulmate, do you even know the meaning of soulmate doh.gif
do you think everybody gets to meet their soulmate?
it is very very rare that anyone even find their soulmate. doh.gif
I've never even heard any one in real life that I know off gets the chance of meeting their soulmate.
double face palm to you doh.gif doh.gif

the moment deadlock comes into this angle soulmate I already told him its a heavy words to use



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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 10 2009, 06:43 PM)
So, is that what LIFE means to you?

You will SACRIFICE a soul mate for someone's who rich who's not your soul mate?

What kind of life you're living if you DON'T WANT a soul mate?

Is there any more MEANING to your life?

Moorish. You didn't give up on bums.

You gave up on YOURSELF.
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wow, talk and wining a debate is easy, but I debate putting my real life into consideration, making it real for me and I try to test myself if I'm put into this in real situation, I'm just being honest.

If you think you can go along with a BUM then you're super icon_rolleyes.gif

but as I say talk is cheap, nobody knows including yourself until you've been thru the real test.

I'll tell you another real story, My dad was sick with Parkinson and Alzheimer for 7 years, in the beginning it was nothing really taxing, just clumpsy and we didnt even know he had the sickness until one day my mom told us he tried to do a simple parking and he hit the front, and he reverse and hit it again. She sense something wrong with him and we took him to doc and check.

After few diagnose he was confirm Parkinson and Alzheimer. Thru the years his condition was getting worse, all these while I've told myself, I'll take care of dad. That time I was still with that bum and money was tight.

The last 3 years was the worse, my dad cannot balance himself and would fall, an old man 60+ falling is very dangerous doc already warn us, he might get stroke, and he is very serious Alzheimer, he cannot even remember his own bro and sis and most of his fren but he could remember me and my mom, I was his fav but also the naughtious.

I would take leave and send him to HUKM every 2-3 months, for check up take dopomine medication to suppress the parkinson. I would need to be there early around 9 and by time i get his medicaion it would be around 12.

I still tell myself I would stand by him.

Then the last 3 years we've no choice but tie my dad to a chair, he would shout bad words at me and mom, but we've to do it. He as a proud person, very vain, he dressed up smartly and always with cologne. He is very strict with us. But looking at him deteriorate to such state put tears into my eyes even as I write this now.

He cant go toilet by himself and he wont know when he wanna do his business, we need to carry him after he's done to the toilet and bath him, everyday, my mom is old and I'm only a girl, not a superwoman, I also have my life to live, but yet I stick by my decision.

sometimes when i couldnt leave my work my mom would just let him all in a mess until I come home, Until one day my mom hurt her back and couldnt carry my dad a few times a day, we decide to send him to old folks home at ampang.

When we leave him there, I cried throughtout the night, I go there every other day, sometimes he would reconize me sometimes he wont, the place was not exactly 5 stars, was just a place to keep him alive, its messy and really smelly, I felt so ashame of myself, the promises I gave myself and not even to my mom, it was just a simple promise to myself that I would take care of dad, and I cant do it.

mom was feeling very bad about this, every morning breakfast she would cry, and both of us would hug each other and cry.

After about 2 months, i used to take mom to this chinese thit tar doc, and finally when her back is ok we decide no matter how hard we'll do it even if it means breaking our back. So we cancel the stay and brought him back.

Life was hard for the remaining 1 and a half years I think, dad was tied to the bed, his skin would be very flaky, i would take leave until nearly kena fire, and at night I really really party getting high not only in alcohol. Many times mom would call me to come back early cos dad made a mess and I would just delay and sometimes ignore her, I was really tired of all these, I was passed the stage where I feel ashame of myself, I just couldnt take the burden.

Many times I would pray to God to take my dad away, I would say it is for his own good but I think I do it because I cant take the burden anymore. one fine morning having breakfast with my mom, she ask me to check on dad as he was coughing, she told me to take him to see doc few days ago but I just dili dali, so I got up and went to dads room and I saw he was yellow, I went near him and feel his hands, it was really could, tears gather at my eyes I gave a last kiss on his forehead, my lips was like kissing on a cold tile.

I've phail, but I gave excuse to myself I'm only human, I can only take burden to only a certain load, I feel guilty and sorry, it has been many years since dad passed away I've never fail to go pray and put orkids to his grave every month, orkid was his fav flower. This is to remind myself, the failure I once was for I couldnt keep a simple promise to look after father.

Actually I duno if its good that I share such personal matter here, but guess nobody knows who I am they wont know who my dad was. And hopefully my experience will bring light to others here, because I know one day it would be my moms turn and this time I think I;m better prepared. And hopefully you guys be prepared to.

I swear to my dads grave every words here are the truth, this is not some chain mail stories, but what I've endure. Till today when I smell protex I would wanna vomit, I cant stand the smell.

So back to you, promises are not given lightly, its easy to promise but hard to keep.


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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Oct 10 2009, 07:58 PM)
You know you are giving yourself excuses for not trying.

Go ahead. Live your life with excuses.
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We both agree you need to work to survive right?

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 08:05 PM)
A job is merely a means to an end. We work because we have to. Bigger picture - success- recognition - sense of achievement. How many actually get paid to do what they love? A very small percentile. In general, we all work to survive. Sometimes, it is a struggle. You are one of the lucky few to have a husband that can and willingly pays for everything. Not everyone is as fortunate. Yes, it may be because men are 'defective'. Women work to help us men out and you know what?

Fully agree


Some women actually enjoy it. Some women enjoy standing side by side with their men, striving for a better future together. They work towards saving for a holiday, a house, a car, anything that they can share and while the destination is the same, sometimes the journey does matter. Just on the other thread, you saw a poster relate how his wife stood by him when he was down financially and how they came through it together. With my gf, we plan holidays all the time and save for it.

Fully agree


Yes, we may end up having jobs we don't like, women included but when your efforts are rewarded through holidays, etc, it becomes worthwhile.
Fully agree

I'm not sure where you get your statistics from, because I can't conclusively say that only a small number of women hope to be in high positions. I won't discount that you talk to your friends about this topic but you have to realise that often, people of a similar mindset hang out together.
vice versa, you probably works in corp (I'm assuming) hence you mix with the level of people in the corp never ending struggle, people with tie and woman in power suit. But you're also looking at things at your level only, try to go out in the street and see what are the jobs offered in the real world.

Look at jusco (coz thats my fav hangout brows.gif ) what are the position there available, how many cashiers?
40 people? how many promoters/sales 40? waitress? 20? how many managers?3 how many supervisor? 10?
so how many girls working just to survive, and how many are actually working and hope one day she hope to reach manager level?
the odds are 40:1?
how many are career driven? how many doesnt even care? they work just to eat?

Look at clinic or lawyer off or architect firm
1 boss, 1 accounts clerk, 1 data entree, 2 clerk/typist, 1 cleaning lady, how many work to survive?
5:1

Clininc, 1 doc, 3 nurses, 1 cleaner
4:1

hence I say majority of the girls work to survive only a small handful work with a high goal set in their mind.

I'm not saying there is none, we're duscussing what drives this woman to work in general.



All I know is many of the girls I know actually excell in their jobs. They may not like to work, but the end result makes up for it. Shopping, holidays, etc is reward enough.

You say I ignore your explanation on the working women. Well while you may discount my claim that a lot of women today want careers, you cannot discount that more and more women are successful. Believe me, the numbers will continue to spike. I don't like to make assumptions but I think this is a really safe one.

I agree more and more woman are very career minded, I know one of them, Melissa of Leonard drake, I know her personally, she lives in tropicana with her big house.

But look at the amount of staff she has, how many clerks, how many therapist, how many sales/marketing, how many promoters?
300:1?

You see every CEO will be 300:1
every manager 30:1
No matter how you stack this up, they will be more labor than boss.


I'm sure all women want men to take care of them. Those I know want that but for different reasons than you think. They want the oppportunity to pursue their interests e.g. opening a boutique, beauty centre, etc. For this, it always helps to have a stable income in the event your business doesn't take off. Most women I know today do not enjoy being idle.

I duno if its safe for me to assume this, not many woman bosses made it entirely from their own. Most cases either from hubby or family s rich. Rich people know rich people the get more connection and more business, of coz you need the ability to run the biz, but then the odds of success if higher.

If my father is a Tan sri, I can loan money from him to open lets say a grocery store (since I'm simply minded and always shop at one), I just shout to the world who my father is, I'm sure plenty would come and consign thier stuff to me coz they dun have to trust me, they trust who my father is. See how the advantage increased?

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QUOTE(euphoria88 @ Oct 10 2009, 08:34 PM)
be amazed. Everyone who posts here wasted their time talking to you and it is obvious you do not want to accept any opinions but your own. Suit yourself.
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Keep all the hurt and ego aside, we do learn many things in this discussion.

but if you bring out meaningless points like

spend money everyday and still got money only call rich is pointless

LOL about my hubby not my souldmate pointless

Then say I'm brainlock, pointless, I'm not brainlock, it is simply you guys are normal working class people whom had never been on the street long enuf to see the world.



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QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Oct 10 2009, 09:02 PM)
A lot of women today are contributing more and more to society.  They are doing this because they choose to.  Not because they have to. 

Look at the amount of factory workers, look at all the cashier in so many hyper market, look at all the tollboth collector, look at all the nurses, are they driven with career in mind or working to eat?

Majority of the people work to eat, only a handful work because they want to aim high


I work around alot of women. They may not be as competative as men are.  But they play a very important role in an organization.  They are good team players, communicate openly and are more diplomatic than guys are. 

Woman not competitive as man? depends on where you working

There is nothing wrong with choosing to be a full time housewife..  But please do not make false assumption of what drives these women.  You need to increase your social circle.. We are not living in the 50's and 60's anymore. Women of today are more driven and empowered.  Your choices in life may be good enough for you, but it may not be enough for everyone else. 

I did increase my social circle, it is you who shut your eyes on the real world, look around, I'm sure you shop at Midvalley, go take a look at jusco and carefour


My little sister always wanted to be a nurse since she was a kid.  If she marry a wealthy man, do you think she will let go of her dreams? Off course not!  So please, do not degrade the entire female species.

You call people who dream about having children and fulltime mother degrading?


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Added on October 11, 2009, 8:01 am
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 10 2009, 09:24 PM)
Moorish, thanks for sharing. I can conclusively say that most of us would have struggled if we were in your position and I do not think you have any reason to feel bad. You did more than a lot of people would but we all just have to accept that sometimes, we can never do enough. I cannot say that I would have been as strong as you.

I understand more than ever why you think money is crucial, I've always agreed that it is. I know the cost of medical care these days for I was in insurance for 3 years. If anything I thought that this experience would drive you to wanting a good career so that you need not rely on anyone else. You are now married to someone who can provide in the event of similar occurences but if you ask me, the only person we can really trust and rely upon is ourselves.

Let's look at a hypothetical situation. Woman who has no means of supporting herself has a sick father. Husband is able to cover the medical costs. Now, you said yourself that you felt like giving up on him so many times, and he was your own father. How much do you reckon someone who isn't even related to him can take? At some point, it will become too much of a burden even for him. I'm not suggesting all men are like that but why leave it to chance?

Situations like yours affect us in different ways. I would have thought the natural response would be to make your own money so you needn't rely on someone else. Maybe your response was to want to take care of your kid, in the way you took care of your dad. Maybe you feel you need to make up for something. Neither is right, and neither is wrong. In the end, we are all motivated to do things by different reasons. You've shared yours.

Once again, thanks for sharing. I'm truly sorry to hear about what you had to go through. Also, I don't think you need to feel bad about your dad. You did everything you could as far as I'm concerned.
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Thank you, but it is still hurting inside me about the promises that I couldnt keep.

I think at least you debate with me on the level of knowledge not about hurt egos, its interesting and worthwhile debating you.



Added on October 11, 2009, 8:11 am
QUOTE(used2bcow @ Oct 10 2009, 09:32 PM)
Firstly, your effort in taking care of ur family is commendable. Sorry for your lost but seriously whats dat got to do with anything apart from u had a very bad experince choosing the worse man any girl could ever find.

That was for 2 person that question me about making promises, they think promises are like snap of a finger, it takes less than 10 sec to make a promise, but it may take you 7 years or more to keep it. And I think its not easy to keep your promises. hence the example, and also the difficulties in money when you're way way down in your life.



The guys a thug, the guy makes money doing illegal things and u wonder why he cant support u monetary. Even so, makes it seem as if the fella doesnt even help u out or give u the support in trying times. That man is more than a bum. He is utterly useless. Everyone has their set of challenges in life. Doesn't mean it's right to judge guys without money = phail.

I dun look down on the poor, I've more poor frens than rich frens, I come form the poor but I do look down on bums coz I've been with one. I only say I wanna choose a rich husband.


People have dreams and goals, most cases dreams and goals more often than not require some form of financing (Start ur own boutique store, start a games development studio, help in welfare groups, donate millions to a worthy cause, learn a language, play an active part in making healthcare work for u in Malaysia, even starting a loving and peaceful family etc). Dat in a sense makes money more an enabler. Nothing to do with being materialistic, nothing to do with the fear of not having enuff money. Dat is why i detest ppl who when i ask whats ur goal in life and the answer to be rich and have lots of money. This ppl often doesnt kno wat they truly want in life. When u have a dream or goal which u feel strongly about, u have drive and passion. And when u have drive and passion u will not let anything get in the way of that no matter how difficult the challenges are. Money is not a strong driver...for me at least.

As you mention everyone has a dream, I've a dream to have a loving home, to be a fulltime mother to my baby, a good wife to my husband, and this unfortunately cost money, hence I need to look for a partner who share the same dream, (of coz someone who can also afford such dreams) to make it real, agree?



Something to ponder. For guys, dun you ever get ppl saying, make ur money first then the girls will come to you? My question would be. Why would i want a girl like dat?

For girls, when dating a guy never ever try to check how much money the guy is worth. It its a major turn off. Though an interesting fact, most working adults and even families are worth negative as most in some form or the other owe more than the generated household income. SO girls, kno that when a guy has a car or a house, it neve truly is theirs. Is the bank's and they're trying to pay up everything they owe to the bank.

Plenty of guys are doing it....beats me

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Added on October 11, 2009, 8:22 am
QUOTE(myvi5949 @ Oct 10 2009, 10:16 PM)
After 90+ pages, one would think that she would be open to POSIIBILITY that her paradigm are flawed. 

What happen instead was she "editted" her first post.. Ignore relevant points by others. She focuses on some negative feedbacks and take it personally.
I have to admit, some of the responses here are abit immature and uncalled for.. but she need to know that people are generally here to "help". 
You could only help people so much.  Changing core beliefs is really hard.  One must be courageous and willing.  If one is not willing, no amount of convincing would be enough.  wink.gif
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You believe what viper said about me changing and editting the first post doh.gif
look at page one and see 2 person who quote the original post, it was not changed or editted, I just add the part not datuk.
If you read and grasp the content, I'm coming from being a mother, not BMWs, too many phail to understand this and jump to conclusion, so I had to make it more simple for you to understand, and you accused me of changing to my advantage.

It is about starting a family


QUOTE(billytong @ Oct 10 2009, 10:22 PM)
You dont need to be feel insecure about money minded woman as long an you are holding your major money and Asset under your name. There is always a limit of expenses when dating, a woman that comments, turn off because you are not spending enough for them, imo they are only making they blow off they chance of getting a nice guy like you.

To be honest, it is more costly for them to spend 20years trying to impress you, making you happy, cheat your money but end up if you are holding you money tight, you will always win and walk away and restart get a new relationship.

Generous does not have to be = sharing asset/money to gain "trust". Trust comes from trusting someone ability to take care of you if you are down.

look back to your ancestors, you'll know if something is working for them, it will work for you too. 

So just date whatever woman that you think it is attractive to you. Dont worry you will find one.
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Its was never about asking you to buy a BMW...dun worry, it is about asking you to fend for the whole family,
but I guess it is too much to ask from you,



Added on October 11, 2009, 8:28 am
QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Oct 10 2009, 11:33 PM)
not untill you experiences it yourself mate, it's really tough especially when they are still young

plus that's how evil mind works for everyone, they'll attack when we are at a vulnerable state, don't tell me you are all saints to yourself in whatever you do rolleyes.gif
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considering the debate with you, you're still human afterall, debate is one thing, but the true meaning and true suffering of life is another.


Added on October 11, 2009, 8:33 am
QUOTE(nickisthemost @ Oct 10 2009, 10:34 PM)
it started to make sense now after hearing this and the story you tell before about your bum bf, i feel that you have been misguided by money, it then turn out the be your biggest insecurity in your life, hence the reason why you want to find a rich hushband

you want to solve problems with money, or perhaps preventing it from happening, it's actually not wrong to think that way, but to me, life is not about preventing problems to happen, but is to be prepare when problem arise, how to prepare you ask ? collecting lots of money ? lol no of course, but our attitude and mentality itself that when we fall, we can rise up again with our own two feet, see ? money it's not even involve in it, hence money is not even the biggest problem solver but our character itself

and that's the character that girl wish to choose compare to money in a person
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I think everyone is looking for more money. People who aim to be CEO, power and money
people who aim to be a boss, freedom and money
everything is money in this world.

For myself, I wish to have a cozy home, I wish my baby to have a cozy and loving home.
Thats my aim.


This post has been edited by moorish: Oct 11 2009, 08:41 AM

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