Those who go for materialistic enjoyment - those that can't lower the living standard according to what they can afford.

Your ego got hurt?
Prove that with your average pay can also get a wife, then.

Again, please mind your word. The entire concept of it is as mentioned to Drian.

Thanks.

Nobody say you should lower your standard. You see it's your right to be money minded, it's also your right to choose whatever husband you want.

HOWEVER, it's also the guy's right to choose whatever girl they want and ALSO the guy's right to impose the same standards for girls. So based on what girls want, girls must also be pretty, have nice body with nice boobs, smart, humble and rich enough to support themselves. If they're not intelligent or rich enough, they must be pretty enough. If they're no longer pretty guys have the right to dump them or find another girl that can meet the standard.

Yes I'm not gonna argue with that, if he is capable he can insist his gfs must be a miss of specific country, or artist

That's my point actually. Whatever you want, you have to give. If you can't give then it's just too bad.

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Added on October 8, 2009, 5:41 pm
Well that's not what TS think, are you talking on her behalf?
Besides it's not just one way. I do think with the current education and equal oppurtunities in work place, girls should be as capable and rich as the guy as well.

oh please, you sound like you are so goddamn high at top. You dont even know Salience. You are as pathetic as 10 years old trying to brag and whine on the internet when you dont even know wtf you are talking abt. What a fvcking failure.. Dont speak behind the monitor, if you dare show up and meet. You not doing female any good with this pathetic thread by jumping on bandwagon with that troll, infact you are embarrassment to female.

I'm amazed you're still here, you cant debate, you're hurt (MEDIC!!!!!), you're emotional, you hate this thread, yet you still open and read? I'm puzzle

are you sadist?

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Added on October 8, 2009, 8:26 pm
BS.

scrolled back and see how many guys agreed, read more in CC see how many guys accepted the fact no money no amoi.

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Added on October 8, 2009, 8:35 pm
LOL +111111111111111111

debbieyss u kunt nugget, u're probably one of those user girls. you talk about your views but you force them upon and insult those who do not share the same views. W0WWWWWWWWW.

gosh now this deserve a facepalm, I dun think anyone here is forcing any theory down anyones throat, we're saying female gene expect a man to take care of the family, pls reread .... in debbies theory flintstone needs to be enthusiastic, hardworking and motivated, he needs to hunt, when animals are scarce or too big for him to swallow, he dun complaint he work hard to continue to hunt and find food for the family, same goes to protecting the family.

He doesnt turn around and ask the female to hunt for food to supplement for the family, hence a capable flinstone.

same as the modern man ...money = security

u are amazing!

again, i repeat, damn you stupid girls who only care about money.
debbieyss u are probably one of them.

don't try to defend your guilt.

you talk as if you are all mighty. you are just a forum voice and poor you trying so hard to defend population and yourself as it is.

LIVE LONG FORUM GIRL!

i hate stupid girls that ONLY values money.

summarize your posting

stupid man got his ego hurt...done

Fuahh fuah...until now I still cannot tahan with this statement. I don't know why.


Frankly speaking, my view about money-minded girls, I feel like those girls who think like that are pure weak, not well-educated and also less exposure to the real world. They like got stuck at their small circle too. That’s why they choose shortcut because they want to skip the hard part of life. Scared and feel insecure with the life. For me this type of girl is really immature.

From my opinion, those girls who choose wealth for the main criteria on husband to get married are totally a loser.

No hard feeling. This is just my view. If you don’t like, just ignore it. Take it or leave it.

girls who choose only money or only looks are just bound for a failed marriage. Those things are so flimsy ... here today, gone tomorrow.

+1 

For me, balance in life is the key for happy relationship

The real question is not whether girls should be money minded or not.

It's how long you can hold on until you can find an above-average financial standing man, because you know you need to go all over to look for one, since most people aren't rich.

You fear uncertainty. Some people fear it more than others. Most people are materialistic to an extent, but some actually motivate themselves materialistically.

Men have that problem too.

But if you ever snap along the way while looking for a suitable person to marry...

That's your business.

And life goes on.

eh debbie i just remembered, u flamed me for not having money that's why i throw my statement etc or some things u threw out.

what do you know about me?

why do you talk as if you know me?

do you?

i don't know you. i don't care about your sis or cousin or whoever married who and who and who.

if u are a girl that values more than just money, good for you. if you value money only then GTFO.

simple as pie.

average or whatever u think i am, go ahead and think.

if that's your perception about me in forum/online persona, then i think u're just hot headed and always trying to prove you are right!

  another face palm for you....your 2nd posting in here you already calling us stupid, you're emotional, hurt, and sorry to tell you hot headed.


don't be a hypocrite.

u talk as if u know thigns about me. and u talk as if i know things about u.

1. u don't know me, so don't assume. u look stupid.

come to think of it...are you UMNO?
2. i don't care about you or your family.
3. i hate you stupid girls who only care about money.

and for no.3, you respond to me as if you are one of them.

2nd version 

So guys, be proud when you choose a sexy wife with big booby and long legs, and to those guys who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the father instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

How do you feel Moorish?

Everyone also wants financial security. It is not a sin. Even god ordered us to work to find money to support the family.

But not until...

So girls, be proud when you choose a rich husband, and to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

Man and woman has their own responsibility both biologically and capacitatively.

Fast forward to the present.


Whether women should work or are biologically fulltime mothers or do both, it is still debatable and questionable. For now.

However, external forces such as economy and competition of better life actually slowly leads and pushes the modern women to do both which is biological fulltime mother and enters the work-force in most industry.  In turns, actually favours to men because we have been doing that since existence of mankind. Women are just catching up. Being a man is better off

Evolution has allowed us human to learn and adapt for survival. Men can adapt to it faster and can endure better than women.

Moorish is obviously the conventional type of woman who refuses change, and waiting to be phased out in future generations. She may be lucky to get a husband who can sustain her using money of course.

In economy terms it is the demand creates the supply. Men are obviously attracted to a pretty woman with a beautiful face, big boobs ,voluptuous figure with evenly proportions of curves that actually symbolizes she can bear good and healthy offspring. So what? Many more women out there to choose. But when women becomes overly demanding be it money or something else it is a real turn off to men.

We men MUST UNITE and raise our standards in choosing our girlfriends or wives, never choose the overly greedy and overly lazy women. The moment the woman behaves that way, give chance and educate them, leave those who are unteachable.  Don't get blinded by beauty or lust, you must see through a woman mind. Many more choices out there.

Majority of men think the same way, and decide based on logic and rational. Which is true, because majority of men like the same toys like Playstation, nice cars and lot more which girls don't even pay attention. Men are rarely affected by emotion. Another advantage.

The weakness of woman is time, because their beauty don't last. Thus makes them depreciating over time.

Men are in fact appreciating overtime in terms of creating wealth, stability and a sustainable life. Got money in hand, women come to us. To find one who is really not in-for-the-money we have to slowly pick and choose. No hurry men, it is women who is in a hurry because they are depreciating.

Women has menopause. Men do go through that stage of life but not as serious as women.

Women population are more than men, which is another advantage to us men. Larger numbers, don't always win.

Because the market forces, economy, competition, demanding parents who teach their children both boy and girl to grow up independent biologically and financially. When now we already have a vast majority of women in the job market, the minority of women who are still dreaming of being fulltime mothers will either HAVE TO follow suit fearing that they are in fact losing out or being left behind unwanted.

One example is Beauty Pageant. The criteria of women isn't about being physically beautiful but also must have attitude and brains and some other abilities in order to win. Although it is only a TV program, but seeing women competing really impresses us men that what women would do to win crown. It is a spectacular display of skills and knowledge, instead of just being beautiful and having a sexy body because all of them are pretty makes it  an equal battle ground. skills and knowledge = ability to work and earn money.

Moorish may have made a win for now, but in the long run more and more women will disagree with you. Because every woman can be a mother, but some will criticises you for your inability to  ___________ , what everybody else able to do. You fill in the blanks.

How do fulltime mothers feed themselves and babies?


Both men and women are money minded? Is nothing be proud of. It's just a survival instinct.

Being money minded, and doing nothing about it, is really BIG SHAME.

Doing something wrong is not a shame but at least better than doing nothing at all to earn money.

Expecting & demanding money from others to be given to him/her is like begging. Another shame..

Borrowing money and not paying back is also a BIG SHAME like  stealing or robbing someone.



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Men and women being money minded, driven and fuel by the greed to earn money, will learns skills and master techniques to earn money.
Continuously working HARD and earning MORE money and making BIG achievements in career.

THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF.

The question is why can't the girl earn the money themselves? Are they themselves not capable enough? Why do they have to depend on their husbands money to survive.

yea expect the mother to feed her own, next what? expect the baby to earn his own milk?

Oh yah I forgotten, their vagina is gold plated. It's all about what they want but not what they can give.

But it's their right to be like that, it's their right to choose a rich husband, it's their right to
place money above everything else. It's their right to choose an ATM husband . So just have to respect their choices.

tell me... 90 pages, did you read any of the girls says I want a rich husband because I like the new C-class?

we want a capable guy...not a bum who insist the wife go out to work


However don't let me catch the same girls complaining and whining in girls club or cupid's corner or tell it to thelma about their husbands and start calling guys as jerks. Let's see how much sympathy they will get.

how many girls whine in CC that thier rich husband/bf dump them as compared to their average husband/bf has an extra girl out there?

But usually from what I see, girls who are not capable enough in the corporate world are usually like that. Some of them come from poor family and do not have the capability to get what they want themselves so they have no choice but to find a guy that does.
My female colleagues which I can consider as more capable and more intelligent than average females don't think that way. In fact when I showed them what TS said , they just tell me to ignore these girls and tell me there will be this types of girls in this world.

You looking down on fulltime mothers?

Women will marry a man based financial background and insisting on marrying a rich man.

Men are initially attracted to women because of beauty and lust but only will invest in a women based on her skills and knowledge.

Men should boycott money minded women who just insisted on marrying=no need to work.

These type of women is not worthy of men's love, time and money.

Similarly, I can put it in a way of a spoil-bred child everytime taking money from his very rich father and refusing to work and not willing face reality knowing that his father has more than enough money to support him for generations to come until one day there is nothing left!!! To him money equals luxury cars, entertainment and many women and work less.

you're arguing out of topic, the thread started with woman..then husband..then baby...mother take care of baby...hence I say mother instinct not kicked in yet.

about the rich spoil brat is err...bum? but a bum rich enuf to be able to afford to be well a bum

The female version of a spoil-bred girl is that she doing the exact same action taking money from the parents, going shopping everyday, visiting women spa, beauty centers doing facial, Gucci, LV, and the worst thing apart from spending her family's money, is cheating men for buying her expensive gifts.

Moorish you are no different to the female version of spoil-bred, only different is that you are practicing this on a smaller scale towards your husband !!!!

You have no knowledge, not working skill or abilities, but just expecting, DEMANDING AND INSISTING your husband to handle everything. In fact you have worked and earn money before but refusing to work. That's just BEING IRRESPONSIBLE & SELFISH woman!!!!!


Let's turn it around, and say a man who marries a rich woman, and expects her to give him money to spend. He said he just want to be a fulltime father and not willing to work, because the woman he marries is rich enough to support him forever. That's ALSO BEING IRRESPONSIBLE & SELFISH MAN !!!

Oh for the record,

I did not start this thread to preach others unlike you and that troll.

The meeting I proposed is to meet up with the rest and debate face to face if you really have things to say. I m not interested to convince you.

I repeat myself again, you are pathetic and ignorant. You dont know salience and you say he got avg salary? your ignorance has blinded your mind. I believe salience is more than capable of doing debate but he just fooling around.

I m embarrasment to guys? Not only me who thinks this thread serves no purpose than putting shame to female, it is the opinion of one female member here too. Wut more, spunkberry has spanked you!

Why can't a mother feed her own kid? Wow, seriously which kampung did you come from to have that kind of mindset.
I told you how many times. It's your right to choose whatever husband you want. You just can't whine about it later on.
The difference is one will be sympathised while I will laugh at the other one.
Well if you brain can interpret the statement that way, then there's nothing I can do.

If u emphasize more abt "mother",

mother - a woman near saint level, mothers love and so on, a woman care for the family and children, attentive and so on

Wah.. suddenly loves becomes more important ady r?

No more emphasize on security ($$$$) rich guy more important than loves for those normal hardworking guy? 

Irony... why u wrote:

"to those girl who insist love is more important, they're just immature and the mother instinct not kick in yet, after few years of marriage they'll regret of their choice.

gosh, I know your comprehension is poor but, just a few lines of the original post also cannot understand?

I'm saying money is important coming from a mother, faham?

I never deleted love it was there from teh beginning, but since so many ppl phail in understanding deep subject, when I mention mother it automatically point I'm coming from the angle about a caring woman, so I've to edit and add in love, then they turn around and say I'm twisting

you better stay out other wise you'll confuse everyone

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A normal good hardworking guy also deserve fair chance of love from girls and also they can get married. 
Girls shouldn't just marry a guy with more $$$$ only since $$$$ is more important for u.
Tats very immature thinking... shame shame.

Yes, and women like you don't do shit to change the way this happens. It is a fact that this happens because women think they are entitled to what men earn ... and then complain about equal rights and all that jargon. So you want to be able to bum off men and have equal rights? You can't have both, woman, pick one or the other.

Tell me do full time mother exist?


Yeah ... so you're basically saying that a financially capable man is at least 20 years older than I am. So I should go for such men in order to guarantee my future? Hell no, I don't need a man to have a future!

Really? or shall I ask are you 18 years old? if you;re then its not time to marry and be a mother yet.
By the way nothing is guarantee in this life, just that chances can be higher only.


Changing your name to his doesn't give you entitlement to everything he owns. It just means that you are part of his family now. It's women like you that make men do prenups.

Again...read and understhand the first post, its about able to take care of family, not BMW or bottega. Actually I've spoken to a lot of successful man, professionals included, I ask them you prefer a house wife or a career woman, most successful man told me housewife, he feels more like being in a family.


Breastfeeding. And you're a mother? Wow.

yes to both. plus fulltime.

Comparing extremes is silly. The choices you presented are obvious.

Equating security to just money is just absurd if you ask me. Before you quesion my credentials, I'm comfortable enough but it doesn't mean I advocate that money is of the utmost importance. If a person inherits money, and loses it for whatever reason (market crashes, bad investments, etc), he won't know how to get it back. If a person who worked for it loses it, he knows how to get it back. This is why I say one is more permanent than the other, plus the latter also gets more respect of the two.

Well it's like I said, to each his own. I personally think that getting the respect of others is more important than getting them to like you. You don't have to like someone to respect them. Oh well, we all have different priorities.

Dun play inside bushes again la.. so called "mother".

duke to me it's not her choice that bothers me, it's just her character of relying on others instead of herself, what do you think ?

yeah but he has every right to judge, it's just not a very nice thing to do

Agreed but it's a personal choice. If she can live with the fact that no one respects her for the way she thinks, then it's her perogative.
LOL! now now kids.

Yes. They feed their kids. Breastfeeding is free you know? Also, if you're talking about those housewives that don't use their brains and amuse themselves by gossiping with the neighbors about other neighbors, I have little to no respect for those people. Tell me you aren't one of them then maybe I'll forgive your little lapse.

Confirm you're not female, you've little respect for SAHM, so those career man and woman do not gossip in the office?
SAHM is not doing society good? I suggest you read more, but if you're 15 then nevermind (notice I down grade your age...yuo'll learn when you grow up

Oh my time to get married is sooner than you think, and yet I don't think like you. Huh... strange isn't it?

Yes its strange..

Then what's with all the "be proud that you've chosen a rich man"? Shouldn't it be "be proud of your man"?
You are deluded if you believe that men prefer a housewife because he feels more like being in a family. Those men are chauvinistic pigs.

Nope those are successful capable man, they've money and have absolutely no problem with providing, they want a nice cozy family

Its not really a flaw. You just cant accept differences in priorities inherent in different individuals.

There is a difference between a girl who blindly go for $$ and a girl who choose to segregate her choice of marriage based on the prospective husband's wealth. One will never be pleased as she will always aim higher and higher, the other will be contend when her demands are met (ie security). And since moorish has finally settled down and happy with her choice, I would say she falls into the latter category.

Its like how some ppl choose their relationships based on the prospects height, weight, mindset...so too do some ppl based their importance on financial capability. And she will choose her potential mates from within this pool of ppl that matches her minimum criteria. And if you dont fall within this pool, the least u can do is to NOT kill other ppl's dream.

no that was not me disagreeing to fulltime mothers. that was me saying that people have a right to judge others, it's just not a very nice thing to do.
How old are YOU then?

I'm 28

Oh, and I particularly hit on housewives because if they gossip, that's frickin ALL they do. You cannot compare that to career men and women because they have something housewives do not: OMGWTF THEY HAVE CAREERS!

Can I confirm this part you look down on fulltime mothers? because if you do then no point debating from you coz I would treat you like cockcroach and ppl who agree with you are the same cat as you

Do you think career woman is greater than fulltime mothers?
I hear they say mothers love, mothers knows best, unconditional love comes from mothers
what is so great about career woman that it suddenly beats mother?
you come from office or from your mother?
wait did you got abuse when you;re young?

lol or maybe they don't want to run the risk of having a wife that earns more than they do. Men who love family don't work very far or very often away from family. They don't designate that they want a housewife.

I still suspect yuo're male. seems your ego is hurt

Are you going to kill yours? Have you ever felt that you were going to? Because if not, I don't see how this is relevant to the discussion.

If I’m not mistaken, last time you said money is more important than the love. How come suddenly you agreed about “balance”?
You can label me as a lesser man. 

Dont spoil my moment of glory. The great moorish has finally acknowledge my existence on this thread.

survival is more important than love. Materialism is out of context.

Me emo? Are you sure that I am emo, or is my writing merely emotive hardcore?
Quite a significant number of women who kill their own babies do it completely without remorse or unhappiness. In fact that's how women in the past practiced birth control.
Dun see "these"? What is this "these" you're talking about?

Now you really need to explain to me in simple terms. LMAO!

yeapp
and to moorish:

just because YOUR mother instincts kicked in doesn't make it right, i've seen alot of mothers happy with their family without being money minded. are u telling me their mother instinct haven't kicked in yet?

and how do u know since prehistoric times women have been like that? how did u know they didn't choose based on other factors? sure security yeah, but how did u know they placed 'security' over everything else 1st? even so, how does that make it right?

and don't give me the ' i didnt delete love etc etc' crap. the point is that u placed money higher then everything else.

I was under the impression that depression meant sadness ... not murderous killing spree.
I was also under the impression that this depression happens because the mother is uncertain of herself, afraid of what the future may hold regarding the child ... maybe even questioning her own capabilities in raising a child.... not murderous killing spree.