sinchro said your post is reek of inconsistency, plus ego.
noob13 said you are a lousy debater.
dickson said alot. I do not know where to start pointing your flaws
redduke/silverhawk said your post is flawed/inconsistent.

Half of these members are great debaters. Whos still here to embarras herself/himself? LOL

@debbie, I just re-read your quote on my english mistakes. Apparently, I left out an "a" in my sentence, and capital letters. Thats it? what a fkn pathetic excuse to attack my english. Should I start pinpointing your english mistakes too? so sad, I prefer not to waste my time on you. LOL
edit* i wont leave this thread though. I ll come back here occasionally* to have fun with you two.

Haiya. i didn't say u looking for Datuk la.  Read properly what i wrote.
I ask 2 simple questions, you deliberately side-step and din answer properly.
1st questions.
Whether A should have dumb B long time ago?
A - normal hardworking guy earning good average pay
B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use  A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

I duno, I'm not a man and I'm not him, quite obviously he love the girl right? thats why after all this years he chase her like mad. I tot I did answer you, but you didnt get the point.

Earlier posting, u said market alwys rite ma..

2nd questions.
Those girls tat prefer guys with more $$$ than a normal working guy.. most of the time they will get alot critics from others.
like those young girls (not u)  marry Datuk.. etcs.. why only a few girls like tat but most of the girls (market/majority) still can satisfied n settle down with a normal working guy. So is market/majority ppl alwys rite?

They're girls who likes datuk
They're girls who likes rich man
They;re girls who likes hansom man
They;re girls who like chintongfa

The market is always right and that is why all level of people gets married.

You say so little of the girls marry datuk and most settle for common ppl, you are suggesting datuk cannot get wife coz most girls will shun off datuks? from what I see normally datuk get more than 1 wife, if you understand the market corectly do we have more datuks than common ppl?    big flaw in your arguement. The reason less girl marry datuk to common ppl is because not plenty available to everyone.


Don't go beat around the bushes..market alwsy right, one mans meat is another mans poison?
I'm not asking the majority or other ppl. I just want to know wats ur answer only.
Simple direct answer like YES or NO can ady. If u want to give some supporting explaination also ok.

What sinchro wrote earlier also very direct to the point..

"the only reason i can think of why you're still in this 6 month old thread is because of, ego.
when you state something as shameless and bold as 'girls are money minded, and have every right to be' you just can't lose, losing means not only making you look bad but it also means contradicting yourself,
your views,
your beliefs,
and your this mission to reach out to girls that it is prideful to be money minded and in turn causing you to think on wether your choices you made were right....
or your marriage was right...
or that if you happy at all? and not false-believing in so?

if your life is as happy as u say, there shouldn't be any reason why you're still debating, you're already happy right?
so why the insecurity about this?
why the stubbornness?
if you truly believe you are right, then so be it..

6 months is way too long already babe, wether you have managed to reach out or convince the girls your ideology shouldn't matter already. 6 months is too long, anybody would be bored and tired already.

just stop posting and let this thread die honey, you seem to be the only consistent female poster.(other than miss debbieyss)"

What is SAHM? Mind to elaborate what SAHM stands for?

I agree with you that girls are money minded. Men are money minded to.
So both men and women are money minded.

Men work for it. What about women? Statistic shows more women are entering the working society.
Here are some facts.

No pain. No gain.
You want money. You have to work for it. Then you will have the money you deserve.
Life is never easy. This is reality. Face it with courage.
Nothing is free in this world. Another reality.
Money only favours those who works hard and work smart for it regardless of gender.
There is no shortcut to wealth it continuous effort and planning is required. That's why we have banks to help people plan.
School never teach us about money, we learn it through exposure in the working society.
The work you do to earn money will contribute to the society as a whole.
If you don't work, you don't contribute to the society. What do we call someone who exist but no contribution? You name it.

OK facts aside. Back to your topic.

You mentioned that you put money in the criteria of choosing a husband. Sounds fair enough. You never want a jobless man to be your husband. Jobless = no money. Also fair enough. Now let's look at the mirror. You have expectations, and so do us men have our expectations.

Moorish by the way may I ask are you working or running a business?
What do you do for a living?

No offence here. Those are just facts.

ok la, let just say today u din met ur current husband, and u din met any rich man. So are u going to stay single until u meet a rich man ?

Yes, good one!

Only those incapable man will need and ask wives and gf to work.
A man if he is a real man with self-motivated attitude, will try his best to settle his financial capability, ALWAYS, despite of how hard it is!

My father even goes to work when he is sick, he brought his medicine along to work. He even works during public holidays.

I could hardly see any of the youngsters or those who claim they are average man have this kind of attitude. Basically, it's just wasting of time to talk to those who are not married and haven't set up a family yet.

I get your point miss. I've got it from the start.
I didn't say you deleted it, I just said you placed money ABOVE it. Money is more important to you than the person's character.

This is incorrect, if I've put money above character I would've married that aramco guy, I would be instant millionaire   but I didnt.



That's good, though I wonder why you said "I believe I will" rather than "I will". Why is there that glimmer of doubt?

I said this because, I've been thru certain things and seen certain things, I know a person can promise heaven and earth, but when the time really comes they've no idea if they can take the pressure. I'm not a person who gives promises without thinking if I can fullfill it later on in life.

I could've just BS my way to win a debate, but nope, not gonna do that, I want this to be as realistic as possible.


That is YOUR perception of the argument, its not what WE are saying. At least not n00bi3, duke red and I. What we're saying its doomed when you place MONEY before CHARACTER. You're advocating looking for someone rich with a good character, rather than someone with a good character that happens to be rich. There is a difference between the two.

When you put money as the initial criteria, you don't bother to know the person first and what he is capable of. You just look at what he has, if he doesn't "have it" yet, you just ignore him. If you put character as the initial criteria, you'll actually get to KNOW the person FIRST, whether he has enough money to support you or not, or whether he is capable, you will then know and decide.

To start dating him, yes I would make sure he is rich, this is the part where money is above character, coz I dun think so I can tell a persons character in a few outing. But to decide if I can settle down with him, he has to meet my husband material.

Debbie holds the latter view, she looks at character first. You don't see me slamming her views, only yours. Did you ever stop to think WHY?

No, because I'm already married and very contended, I'm just here to debate, same as plenty call me a prostitute, and I label them loser who are impotent to provide, but that doesnt matter, I cant stop yuor thinking and vice versa.


I've seen many girls marry "poor" people and also be happy! Likewise I've seen people marry rich people and be sad.

Do you know financial problem is one of the top cause of divorce?


Once again, you JUMP to the extreme. Between ok-ok and perfect there's a huge gamut of choices. I'm saying we should stick with someone we can accept, some who's character we like. Not someone's who's character we simply tolerate because they can give us something in return.

You've missed or twist my point completely, you first say you got my point about, I've just add rich to husband criteria, and now you say I compromise his character? if he cant swept me off my feet we wont even be dating 10 dates.

As I mentioned again and again, you're not looking at the points we're trying to tell you. You have an assumption of what we mean, and that skews your perception of our argument. Then you go around and try to refute us based on your version of our argument. However that is NOT what we're saying. Try to discuss this properly yes?
You know, if I didn't know better... I'd think you were male. Your ego is at least as big as one
Did it ever occur to you that I have a JOB and I need to WORK? Your arrogance astounds me. Proving you wrong is easy, and I've consistently been doing it, of course your ego will not allow yourself to admit that
There's nothing wrong with that. However, in life things do not always go the way we want them to. In that event, would you be willing to work to help support your family? or would you rather let your hubby carry all the burden? In any scenario, its always a good idea to be prepared for the worst, even though there is no sign of it coming in the future.

Again and again you did not prove anything in here, yu assume you did but in reality you didnt.

My aim is to have a family, my aim is to be a full time mother, is there anything wrong for a person to have this simple contended aim in life? am I aiming too high?

About the rich part, I want security and I want a man who can provide for me and baby, is this too high to ask?

Please answer me this
Is aiming being a full time mother wrong?

You think yu;re helluva debater, you're also full of arrogance, yes I'll sit here and wait for your answer.

I guess i understand what is your stand, the man who are financial capable u give more priority but in the same time observing his personality and attitude, cause those are determine a person's quality. and with that both, then only it makes u secure enough for u to step into another stage with this man which is marriage. am i right ?

I TOTALLY AGREE  to  Hawk.

In short, moorish is taking a shortcut to access for unlimited wealth. Marrying someone rich can help you skip working life? NO WAY. You think it is that easy?

She refuse to work. Let me guess why?
Working is tough and hard.
I hate facing people or being instructed by superior or boss.
All I want is money but don't want to work.
Working is stressful, tiring and restless.

I invite you to take of Noreen just 6 hours will do, and you tell me if working is easy or taking full time care of baby is easy. Plenty of woman would rather hire a maid or baby sitter so she can be free again. You know how life is with baby clinging on me, demanding milk every 2 hours, poo poo and pee pee every 1 hours, changing 18 diapers a day, pacifying a baby refusing to sleep, I cant even find time to wash my hair!!!

You're a person whom had not progress into the next stage of life, you're thinking being a mother is simple and housewife are just lazy bums.

I wont shoot you with words because you;re still young, but I'm sure you'll feel differently when you grow up one day, I hope you treat your wife with respect.

Let's look at reality again.

Both man and woman work. Man loves woman, woman loves man because both has the initial criteria both can agreed.
Man spend money to have time with a woman. Woman spent time with man. Fair enough. Still both are working.
Man works hard save money, and woman works hard and save money too.
Along the way they endure ups and downs but still they face it. Some losses job and find a new job, or get promoted with salary increase.
When man saved enough money he proposed a marriage to the woman after several years of relationship. Husband took a mortgage to buy a house, and diversified investment to create wealth. After married both husband and wife work harder save money just in case of uncertainty and reduce risk. They buy insurance and planned ahead of time. Wife got pregnant and still she goes to work even harder this time with a belly bulging. (Woman deserve respect this time.) A responsible husband works harder to prepare reserve funds for the incoming baby. (Man deserve respect too). The baby is born, both wife and husband took maternity leave to take of the child wife gets 3 months, Husband gets 1 or 2 months maternity leave.
Husband and wife resumes their daily work and together take turns to bring up child until tertiary education. At this point, both are financially stable should the need arises wife can quit the job and take care of the child. Husband advised the wife to quit and spend more time with the child. In some cases wife refused to quit fearing financial uncertainty and risk. Husband diversified investment in real estate and property to create passive income.

At this point, having money=security? Not exactly.
Let me tell you banking terms money is always a depreciating asset, bombarded by market forces. Prices go up during economy crisis and affects both man and woman. So is it good to be SAHM ?? SAHM with no prior working experience.

Anyone dares to challenge reality?

Definitely Quote of the month

Im very curious, Moorish. I wonder if u still agree to this quote 10yr later.  Let time proof it to us. I seriously hope 10yrs later, at least you and I would still meet here on LYN  and i would beg you to tell me your thoughts

Thanks Darling i have got it. But i seriously not interested.  I know how happy u could be, how contented you sound like you are, how sure u think you know you do.... but, seriously, im very much looking forward to the 10-year appointment with you.

Things in life are, not always as it seems. Sometimes we would find out that we could be the biggest liar of all, we not only fool the world, but also ourselves. When this has come, it s gonna to be the darkest point of life one could ever experienced... Trust me, u dun want to have that.

Somehow i d still wish you a very contented life ahead of you~~ Good luck to you too

If I'm assuming this as a role model for all men to follow, I should have put more examples as much as I could imagine.

You all scream for gender equality, have you ever thought of if you have done your best for your career?

Irresponsible or low quality man has no idea about pregnancy and sufferings and toughness to be a mother.

I enjoy working is one thing, my husband/bf asks me to work is another thing. 

Very True

I just ask you few question:
1. how much you can save when inflation keep flying high but your salary remains in 5k? Have you thought about children's education? Let say you want to send them to local uni, how confident you are that your children manage to enter local uni? Have you tried to do research on the tuition fees for a private college 10 years ago with the current one?

Its sad when they expect to be poor, but then again nothing wrong with it, only thing is they need to find a girl who also expect to be poor and happy with it.

problem is when girls dun share the same they label her as prostitute.

2. why put "unless"? why don't you even give it a try to make it comes true either invest in stocks market or set up own business? Have you thought of why those employees been fired? Is it because their value too high or too low? Being fired doesn't mean you can bring this as an execuse to stop yourself from climbing high, instead find a way to groom up yourself and do better.

I always believe there's a will, there's a way. If you want to success, give yourself no execuses.

yes determination and committed guys are a turn on.

3. why claims all gals who pursue self-motivated and financial stable husband/bf = gold digger and high maintenance? Gals want to see security in the future, earn much money doesn't mean you have to spend them off for luxury, but to save up for futures' uncertainties, but to at least have a better nutritious meals and not just telur masini and kampung fish; buy some better quality clothings that last long and presentable and not those pasar malam clothings or slippers that last only few months or half year; send children for private colleges IN CASE they are not manage to enter local uni; go for private hospitals IN CASE have to queue up long at government hospitals where careless surgery cases happened nowadays; etc etc...

So you tell me, this way of spending money is materialistic? Is gold digger? All these are money. Tell me how much you need to spend for insurance of 4 persons (you, your wife and your 2 kids, let say), with only 5k per month?

If you have really thought of these issues, you will realise that aim high for good salary doesn't mean that person is materialistic. Value attitude of "aim rich" in different angles.

I fully agree, but they are so simple minded, go for rich and successful man automatically call gold digger, sometimes I dun blame them coz they've never been there and how could you expect them to understand.

I seriously mean it. But i do not agree having this thread flaming guys in our bolehland can do them anything good. I believe we are already in a land of disaster and enjoying the best that we can is already  hard to accomplish -- dont you see many real poor pathetic young guys around here on LYN?

I didnt flame them, they came here labelling girls with certain standard of expectation or standard in life are call prostitute or gold digger.

your thread here has done more bad than good to them while they are trying hard to find a light to crawl out to see more of the world ~~ u dont want to live in a pathetic society where you were born, neither do i. we dont want our kids grow up knowing more negative news than positive ones~ so, lets act positive and do something positive to help around! If you have seen life long enough you wouldnt have started a thread like this.

Its them who refuse to see and accept the truth, why do you see so many guys in here crying that girl left them for more successful guys? They refuse to accept the cost of living is very high, they expect the girl to work and give birth in govt hospitals

For those buayaS - i seriously hate to see this CC index having this thread jumping into my scene being top of the index board... why dont we jsut let it die off? isnt that better?.... quietly?

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Added on October 7, 2009, 1:10 pm

Im very flexible indeed ~ join us in SC then u d know ) ... me more

@Deimos ~ Yes I had a big bowl of tomyam noodles as brunch

I have baby-sitting experience with my younger brothers, and cousins, that include cooking, feeding, washing dishes and changing diapers.
Don't talk baby-sitting with me and I am ready to do that anytime my auntie wanted me to baby-sit their children because they are all my relatives.
My family has all boys, I am the eldest my parent make me a good example, and put me through the worst experience. I have to take up some female rolls as well, except for breast feeding and giving birth which I biologically don't have.

Moorish did not read my post entirely especially the bottom part, because she is rejecting and running away from reality.

What I have pointed out, and what dancingwind has highlighted is in fact part of reality. There are no shortcuts.
People regardless rich or poor can get married, and yet lead happy and satisfied life.

Moorish may of course find a rich husband that met her "standards" at some point of her life.
Who knows the future people might lose jobs, business went bankrupt, and suddenly SAHM without prior working experience have to work?
Moorish will never learn unless she goes through some working life and experience bitter and sweetness of life.
What makes life sweet? Because we know and have tasted what it is when life bitter.

The chinese has a saying "Taste bitter first before we taste sweet." It is so obvious moorish is jumping the queue, and wanted life to be sweet all the way. By the time she gets it, she is completely corrupt and paralysed and never learn to appreciate and treasure the hardships of life.

You can read it again here. Anyone disagree or want to challenge my statement are welcome to add. It is freedom of speech and expression here.

REALITY Scenario

Moorish - i agree. But ur quote shows that u only see PARTs of the entire story.  Why dont u take a good look at my post and focus on some other things i said instead of keep looking for lines that suit you to fire away?

Arent you a busy mom? why dont you spend time.... on somewhere else?

ignore what?
I agree with you because you see things happening in reality.  Economy, people lossing jobs, inflation and prices increase and the uncertainties in life.

I don't agree with moorish statements, which in short means marrying the rich, and hoping to bypass working life.
Obviously she has a mind for that. Everyone regardless of gender have to work in someway be it a job or runs a business.

God gives us brains plus hands and legs to ensure we utilized them for our survival.

I did

I'd be happy if u reply OTHER of my lines than those u chose to. well, i dont expect u to reply actually. i mean i just wish u read more of my lines than those u have chosen cos it looks to me that u only choose to read some fav to u

We are not interested with your life story, moorish. We have problem with you trying to preach girls to give higher priorty to rich guy. Sadly, you couldnt even understand the meaning of rich AND yet could not diferentiate between "sufficient/decent" versus "rich". Like I suggested, go on and do some reading, improve your English comprehension before posting thread on forums. While at it, internet forum is not a place for you to dump your emotional garbage. Worse enough, you keep on defending your arguements by twisting and turning into circle.

I agree with dancingwind that you are attentionwhoring because you have nothing better to do at home. You bring too little meaning to the discussion and you failed to defend with credible answers.

+100

Thanks for supporting

TS - I think this thread has been LONG enough, far longer than anyone's expectation. I think it is time to let go.  Someone should stop this thread or the moderator would.

I have to really to silver, dickson and noob13 for their patience to quote/debate on every single sentence. I already beh tahan and straight off attacking them. You have my respect guys.

moorish please open your eyes and expose to what is reality and worldwide issue, or maybe our country is enough.
if you marry someone rich, pls bear in mind that he works very hard for it, and learn appreciate it. Then I bid you happiness for the rest of your marriage and congratulate you.

Human has a survival instinct, and contantly learning new things to survive, you are human also. Take a look outside, I have seen many working mothers regardless of race, and I highly respected them. Because they can multi-task both at home mother and at work. Biologically they are same as you, a woman. If she can, why can't you? Of course in a corporate life priority is given to ladies, my superior is a lady I have no problem working with her.

You said it. I did not say it. I respect everyone as much as I want everyone to respect me as an individual.

My point is fulltime mothers with no prior working experience at least must take a look at self-development and improvement, and be ready for the worst case scenario.

In banking terms, should there be an emergency be it natural disaster or man-made disaster, do we have back up plan to keep systems up and running, and the bank can continue to run its business and serve the customers.

Let's see if you understand this.

Both men and women can work and earn money.
Biologically every woman can give birth to a child, and be a caring mother.

Generally men and women has a brain, two hands and two legs with 5 fingers and 5 toes on each limb.

Therefore everyone can at least do or create or learn something to ensure survival.
The only difference is earning more or less, fast or slow and some required specialized skills.

If you tell me you cannot do or refuse to do what generally everyone else can do for survival, apart from being a fulltime biological mother.

Then you have a serious problem.

Those LYN members who know about the book "Who Moved My Cheese?"  Will know what I am saying.

Hiya.. why u cant provide a direct answer..still wanna pusing pusing? 
Very hard to answer meh?   The way u answers, disappointed me,,

I've already answer to my best I can, I duno what answer yu're expecting.

Let my repeat again...
I'm not asking the majority ppl.
You also don't need to become a man to answer YES or NO rite?

How can I answer a male question? its something like I ask you if whisper is better or tampon, you can only answer this if you;re a female, otherwise your answer is irrelevant

you keep asking me about that guy, how I know how guys choose or what he want in his life?

Same goes if i ask this question.

A girl who knows hes bf alwys have affair outside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have  $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg .. divorce chances high ma...

Whether the girl should leave the BF long time ago. or cont the relationship with tat guy n later get married?

If i answer YES - leave tat guy, tat doesn't mean i'm a girl ma..

because you;re simply answering, then answer my tampon question

Simple direct answer like YES or NO can ady.
I just want to know wats ur answer only.
If u want to give some supporting explaination also ok for ur YES/NO answer.

Based on ur pusing-pusing reply..
My assumption ur answer is
Q1 - NO.
A shouldn't dump B coz loves her very much eventho A knows B only start to loves A after A can give more security ($$$$)

Q2 - NO.
Market or majority girls are wrong.
Most of the girls (market/majority) should not satisfied n settle down with a normal working guy.
They should only marry to guys with more security $$$ than a normal hardworking guy.

Now we can see clearly your TRUE COLOURS......

Correct me if my assumption of ur answer is wrong..

you keep ignoring what I said...for the last time I'm telling you

The guy fit to be my husband needs to be rich, PLUS GOOD HUSBAND MATERIAL, meaning, I fall in love with him, he swept my feet, romantic, caring, loyal, sensitive to my needs, responsible etc

And what are you trying to prove by kept coming up with question? do you think life is so simple like, how you try to put?

You are obviously narrow-minded, and refuse to even understand what I am saying.

If you choose that path, chances are  very very very very very very very very very slim for you.


Means you do not agree of full time mother correct?

Look at the bright side, if you work hard, you will have some money in your savings in case of an emergency.

what makes you think I no need to work I dont have saving? my hubby gives me money every month, more than what I used to work, I'm not showing off here bcoz I earn less than 2k

Here is a scenario.

A woman get to marry a rich husband who owns business empire of shopping complexes and retaurants.
For years of their marriage things were sweet like heaven, business is good, children gets to go schools and the woman gets to shopping.
One day something goes wrong, economy crisis has hit that man's business pretty badly and people quickly disposed of the shares.
Shares prices dropped and the business get sued for bankruptcy due to mismanagement of funds, and due to the risk the company has endure and invested.

What can this fulltime wife/mother do to help her husband, no working knowledge or experience apart from knowing how to spend for shopping and baby-sitting and raising a child?

you again seem to look down on fulltime mothers, their deed seem like so low class to you

Let me answer that basically nothing!!

and where did you get the idea I've no working experience? I've mention I've been in the gemstone industry for years and I can select, choose, purchase, practically run a gemstore!!!

On the other side, if a woman who knows something can at least tell the husband, I have worked and had some savings to cushion the lost, I will handle the kids, so you can concentrate on reviving the business or can give recommendation on how to get back up and start a new business.

so what is the problem you see in me?
If ever problem arises, of coz I'll go out and work

well of course there are always positive and successful example. its just that, when these gals imply that a self-motivated man = rich, i think is ridiculous, and they said self-motivated man = must have own business, then for those who dun have own business = living for failure ? Or even u urself think like that ?

I mean whats wrong with being an employee and work his role properly ? Is still a job, is still a contribution. If every 1 wanna become boss, who is going to do all this role ? Of course if u got the will to earn big then u can still go for it, but the risk is contain, people aware this and they think they not afford for it, so they choose not to go futher, this i dun call stay in comfort zone, imagine his family got parents waiting for him to support, prolly sister and brother. Do u think is worth to take the risk ?

As for the skill part, that 1 i agree. A man who dun learn new things in life basically are wasting his own life.

I personally will back to working life after marriage but when we have children, I will be a full time housewives feeding my children at least they have attended primary 1. Simply because I was born in a family which parents busy working since I was 4. I don't have that much of opportunities to share my problems and my stories with my parents and hence I've used to settle my problems all on my own and I don't want to double parents' burdens. Even up to current, whatever they know about me, were either from my close friends or cousin sisters who normally hang out with me. Perhaps some of you guys are close to your parents and you guys tasted the sweetness of close relationships with parents. I do not want my children follow my foodsteps.

Anything plan after that, is too early to tell now. I have no idea what's coming up next.

Again, this is the 3rd time i repeated: it's for gal to take initiative to work after marriage, not for a guy to ask the gal to work. I'm using simple English, you understand or not?

I have answered more than you expected. Have i answered your question?

That's commendable.
however the more you spew out, the more it seems you're talking about something else.

I did not change my view about getting a rich husband, the talking about something else if you notice are question are throw at me at different angle to be answered, but the motive remains solid and never change a tiny twitch.

We all often consciously think of things we're going to say and how people around will perceive us for what we say. These are things we realise, but if you watch your words, the sub-conscious, the things we really feel reveals itself. Try to do  examine it yourself, as sort of a self-reflection. I do it from time to time and it reveals a lot of what you truly feel/want.
Then you go and say this:

Now this is the part I find most surprising, you're imagining it up, you cant argue or debate about what you suspect was in my subconscious same as I cant say you're defending this because you;re impotent to support your family because this is what I suspect which is in your side, but these r only speculations.


If you don't think, you're not here to debate. You're just here to preach your views as if it were gospel truth. That my dear, is not a debate.

I was here to speak of my mind, and the debate started after that, I just went with it

Yes I do, and why do you think guys don't want to look for women who would divorce them due to financial issues? While I personally believe its a man's duty to provide, I also believe its a  woman's duty to support him and not be a leech. What's the point for us to marry someone if that person is likely to leave us when times are bad?

Again you;re assuming the woman will leave him when in times of trouble. This is speculation, then it can have another side what if the woman went along a poor man and when he stabilize his career he leave her for a younger woman? you're looking at it with no love involve with the woman and no integrity in the man



Moorish, to put it very simply, you're selfish. You think only about yourself, and in this debate, you've never stopped to think about the needs of others and how your "advice" would affect them.

Isnt every thing has its pros and cons? If I were to advise her to go for love, she may end up with a bum and screw her life.

A male equivalent of your advice would be to go around "spend money" on women, fool around, but don't marry them. After all, a man's prerogative is to breed with as many females as possible, just as it is your prerogative to find a successful man to support you and your children.

Now by doing this is immoral as the end point has no point in itself but a corrupted soul, my advise is to get financial security to start a family, and never about sucking the man dry.

About man breeding a much as he can is also immoral and what will happen to the children? it will effect them emotionally when they grow up



Such advice would allow him to spread his seed, keep a ready supply of fresh young women, and secure his assets from potential divorce cases. Yet, I wouldn't call such advice, good advice, would you?

Yes it is wrong, I've never preached about asking woman to go for the richest man possible and when he is broke you move on to the next rich man.


If he could, but wasn't rich, he wouldn't have had the chance in the first place.

Of coz he wouldnt, I'm again speaking for myself and my choice and my way of picking a husband.

There's nothing wrong in your aims. The problem lies when you try to turn your selfish needs into advice for other girls as well, assuming that your advice would make them happy, assuming that your advice is good for society. Newsflash girl, it isn't.


Newsflash for you, I didnt start the trend!!!
So many girls thought they could pull a marriage off with only love as thier sole motivation, so many man takes girls for granted and think they do not need to do anything on self improvement, when their parallel income cant breakeven with the household, things get ugly. And these normally ends up unfavorable especially if children are involve



So far moorish, in all your writings in defending yourself, regardless of the topic. All you talk about what YOU want, about what YOU seek in life, about what YOU want your partner to give to you, and about how well YOUR hubby is treating you. Notice that EVERYTHING is about you. You can't separate yourself from the issue, you can't be objective in your views, it seems you can't think about anyone, other than yourself. I really do hope that is not the case, but that is the impression you have put forth in this forum, not just this topic alone.

I explained about me because they question me, so I gave myself as an example, I've plenty more real frens experience I can share, infact all you need to do is look at CC how many cases of divorce or break ups due to she left me because I'm poor.


Your hubby has swept you off your feet, and kudos to him, men should know how to woo their woman Now the question is, what qualities does your hubby have that you found attractive, or what is it about your hubby do you like that, that doesn't pertain to you?

Everything pertain to me, he is loving involve me, he is hardworking also involve me, he is understanding involve me, unless you;re refering to he likes fish which doesnt involve me, actually it does also, I need to clean up after he's done with the aquarium.

The way u answers disappointed me also..
Simple YES or No also cant answer properly..

I don't put any gender bias on the questions, coz its target is to see what type of "animal" character u r and what is your stand on ur topic  -
Girls are money minded, and proud of it.

"animal" - coz wild and hard to know wats their reaction.. sometimes can do weird thing to get attention.
Just like asking a small girl...  her elder bro like to pee in his pant alwys.
Is it good or not good?

She will said not good la.. shame shame ma...
Even small girl also can give a logic good answer. 

She wont said, i'm not elder bro, i dunno. ma.. Get it?

U know wat is relavant question or not relavant question?. 
Asking guy whisper or tampon is better? this is plain stupid question .. 

I didn't ask abt ur personal life relationship with ur hubby.. don't bother to know oso..

i also dunno 
I think i have summarize a few hours ago, the only reason it survives cos there are silly guys who feel challenge of ego ~~ it cant even pass the judge(mod) of RWI or it would have been a topic there in long run instead of here - no king control - mou wong kon-

we just continue to watch the show then~~

@Debbie - i seriously have no interests to debate with you about those you post for me.  If you mean what you ask in ur post, u should refer back to why i wrote those in the first place, if u still cant find an answer, u may ask me in pm instead.  Eg, why i mentioned those 3 famous University names to you.

about 'kiddi' or other stuff and u still wonder why - I dont normal speak in such a way. HOwever i had to express my way in that manner in those posts bcos you and TS sounded too rude and forgets about the 4 important virtues of a woman should posses by our ancient ancestors. 

How can I be rude when ppl call me a prostitute? are you even a female?


No matter how those chauvinist men reacts, whats the fuss, enjoy your relationship with your bf and keep looking for more other better men. Try helping out other kids around and share your ideas which u posted on this thread, with them and Motivate Them but not to banish them in your way of expression.  Same to TS.  I asked in my first post today, are you showing off how lucky u are in ur current situation? cos i dont see u r doing anything good of having this thread, it is not productive at all but rather very rude and shameful.  ARe you gals planning to stop anything really?

Do you know how many naive marriage takes place every year? gals get pregnant and both think its a piece of cake coz grandfather last time was selling kacang can raise a family of 10?

I'm opening up thier eyes that sustaining a family involve a lot of money, and financial issue will can easily destroy a family. You on the other hand watch too much movies and think by love itself will auto run a happy contended family.


Speaking of being a richman's wife, have you been really enjoy the money and chance yet? Cos we are not sure how many more days u can be in status.  Why dont you join some other mommy and babies forum to chat about family issues?  eg, baby-kingdom.com in HK or bubhub.com in Aussie or some few ones in UK are absolutely cool. How about flying over to HK for a yamcha by the famous Tsim Sha Tsui or Victoria Harbour with local tai-tai and then shop in LV and fly over to LA to attend dinner at the Rooftop by your private jet? These are not legends.  These are in fact today's true happening, only that we in Msia are quite far from these realities.  Flying in private jet is nothing too fancy already u know that? Only certain payments per year u can entitle to fly anywhere in the world within certain mileage at anytime u like it.  I can have it all done with my iphone.  Book ur flight online or get a printed ticket by an agency? come on, thats ancient time history, only poor ppl do that to travel on air.

If I were to show what watch I got from hubby when I gave birth to my baby, it will be a show off and nothing to do with this topic, this is not a topic about living like the rich and famous, if you phaild to understand or refuse to program it in your brain then I'm afraid this debate will be running a long long time.

Its about money = security

I try to find out your intention of this thread, other than trying to kill off the ego of men, or showing off ur lucky, i dont find anything else. enlighten me. if u r trying to teach other girls a smart lesson with your experience, sorry, no luck. those lucky girls, have to earn their men with their true effort, instead of dress up nicely and reel a rich man, only. so, ur act wont success too. well, then why?

now I'm really suspecting youre not a female, girls perception when they set a certain standard in husband is common normally this habit starts even in primary school when we;ve girls talk and we share what is our dream husband, and they dun go fishing for one, they wait for the person to woo them, girls do the choosing.

if you are really trying to push up the motivations of bolehland's men, do something more constructive please.  Or even participate in RWI more often if u may. I barely see any FEMALE could survive in there cos it is a table of ego explosion, no room of any other kind.

I'm not changing the males, I'm asking the females to better protect themselves.

Girls - im looking forward to the 10yrs appt with both of you.  Meanwhile, please stop blending ur mind into saying something that u might not be very sure about cos u might regret them one day. so, dont be the silly bump for today.

And you assume a girl who choose love will have a guaranteed future in 10 years time? please answer me this.

I got no problem with both of your choice, but then, dun open a thread and make it sounds like is a must for every gal to follow. It is misleading.

People live in this world got their own choice, and of course not all girl are money minded, i believe debbie is not a money minded person, and alot of female friend i know. Thats why i think ur this thread got 1 major problem which is your title saying "Girls are money minded", is that a generalisation ? I tell u, it is.

I choose to be on hawk's side also.
Yes agree, that's what I have been always highlighting to moorish and she keeps rejecting it.