Which baby is cuter?

This one?


Or this one?

You are obviously narrow-minded, and refuse to even understand what I am saying.

If you choose that path, chances are  very very very very very very very very very slim for you.


seem to point that its doom to be a fulltime mother, but if you're coming from a sincere heart, then I appreciate your advise, you're indicating I should protect myself incase anything happen and its the power to earn money to secure myself and baby right and help out hubby? or incase hubby leave for another woman, to protect me and baby.

Everything boils down to money right? money = security

Hence I say girls are money minded, they dun realized this until they become mothers.
actually everyone is money minded, but then I leave that part to the male



Look at the bright side, if you work hard, you will have some money in your savings in case of an emergency.

Here is a scenario.

A woman get to marry a rich husband who owns business empire of shopping complexes and retaurants.
For years of their marriage things were sweet like heaven, business is good, children gets to go schools and the woman gets to shopping.
One day something goes wrong, economy crisis has hit that man's business pretty badly and people quickly disposed of the shares.
Shares prices dropped and the business get sued for bankruptcy due to mismanagement of funds, and due to the risk the company has endure and invested.

What can this fulltime wife/mother do to help her husband, no working knowledge or experience apart from knowing how to spend for shopping and baby-sitting and raising a child?

Let me answer that basically nothing!!

On the other side, if a woman who knows something can at least tell the husband, I have worked and had some savings to cushion the lost, I will handle the kids, so you can concentrate on reviving the business or can give recommendation on how to get back up and start a new business.

I already replied to you. I never said I look down on people being fulltime mother, at all.
Don't put words on me that I never say out.

I didnt put words in your mouth, I'm asking you if you are one.

If you have worked before and create some solid financial back up, no one will stop you from being a fulltime mother.

You said it and admited yourself that your are being looked down.

Man in this forum accused a fulltime mother as prostitute, leecher, freeloader, parasite, I cant remember whatelse, imagine the quality of man in here

No one can look down on you, unless you yourself admit it and look down on yourself.

calling a fulltime mother as prostitute, leecher, freeloader, parasite, is not looking down, so you mean you all have been very kind? they;re worse words coming? devil woman?



Apparently you have made your choice. Not that I made the choice for you.

Lol.. seems like u still dun understd..
I didn't ask about marriage issue, or the girl is super gorgeous in eyes A, should have doubt on the girl or not etc... crap thingy...
read my questions..dun pusing-pusing n play inside bushes la.

1st questions.
Whether A should have dump B long time ago?

A - normal hardworking guy earning good average pay
B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

Since u said u not guy duno how to answer, ask guy whisper or tampon nice? now give another excuse go ask ur husband tat question lar...
like playin inside bushes.. den fine.  i reverse the questions with diff scenario earlier also....

if you insist an answer no matter how unrealistic it can be, then YES, Guy should keep girl. If I were a boy, I would pamper her, I would understand how she feel about security, I must first look at myself and see if I'm even qualify to marry her, do I have the capability to start a family.

If she accept me then I'm proud of myself and know I'm there, I'm successful.

Happy?


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Same goes if i ask this question.

A girl who knows her bf alwys have affair outside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg .. divorce chances

Whether tat girl should have dump rich bf long time ago?
Yes- the girl should have dump B long time ago?
No- Tat girl should cont the relationship hoping rich bf will chg for good.

they're many more things involve, and things like this happen everyday,
you must make clear in the first place if the girl really love that guy. You know I've this happening to my frens the husband is not even rich, earning about 5k, she caught him hvg a girl and when they quarrel he even beat her. I told her to dump him, but she just couldnt, infact she tried to revive the marriage by opening a biz for him loan from the parents I know the family very well, the parents are not rich either they refinance the house. I really wanted to tell her parents not to loan, but my other gf told me better dun get mixed up.

so i just stood aside and watch her destroy her life, at first she did bought sometime, he left the girl and my fren was so happy, later, again she caught him with another girl, after that he left her for that girl.

my fren cut her wrist, send to hospital, parents have to make false report caused by falling and smashing the sliding door.

so you see when you see such a case dun take life so simple...girl wants money, you think people no feeling one meh?



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The main point for my 1st question is if u know the one u loves, don't loves u at the beginning but loves u later when u have more money, will u dump your loves one earlier or cont drag till get married lo knowing ur loves one loves ur money and den willing to loves u n marry u.
Simple nia.. YES or NO.

again this happen everyday. want to hear stories?

2nd question no need answer liao.. too complex for u.

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Added on October 7, 2009, 10:49 pmDuno la.. some ppl maybe. U din photo chop the baby pic still okla...

I feel both oso cute in their own ways. 
Actually i prefer cute baby, so i vote baby more cute.

money doesn't always make a person do something if we give them more, there are still factors to consider that have better commitment than money itself, when such situation approach is this still called money minded ? i don't think so, therefore "human are money minded" are not completely true, in the sense that not everyone put it as the top priorities compare to you

At least you see some good in me. If you talk about I am coming from a sincere heart, then yes. Maybe I used the wrong terms the word "parasite" or "leeching" is a little too harsh. I will take it back.

It nothing wrong for a husband to give money to his wife. In fact, it is a responsibility of being a man and part of manhood. This I strongly agree.

It is the attitude and mindset of expecting & over-insisted it that makes it morally wrong.

Most womans dream is to be a fulltime mother taking care of their children, being mother we try our best and want to give the best to our children. I did not demand he buy me a BMW, I only demand he is able to take good care of the family, good education, good enviroment. I'm not wasting his money going to Princeton to deliver, is this being too demanding?


Similarly, I can put it in a way of a spoil-bred child everytime taking money from his very rich father and refusing to work and not willing face reality knowing that his father has more than enough money to support him for generations to come until one day there is nothing left!!!


You can't just totally leave the money-minded part fully to the male. In fact I am not denying my gender responsibility as a male, but in fact I respect more to gender equality, building a family takes 2 instead of one.

I have seen many fulltime mothers are way better off than you, in terms of attitude and mindset. They obviously don't have fulltime employment, their attitude and mind-set will at least makes them do something more than just raising a child, in contributing to household income, because they wanted improvement and development for themselves and the family as a whole. They know what it means by hard-earn cash made by their husband with "sweat and blood". Money don't just fall freely from the sky.

You see, not all man wants a career minded woman, and not all woman are career minded. They prepared themselves to be mothers from very young age.

You work in the gemstone industry for years and still earning less than 2K per month.
Haven't you thought of why or where the problem is?

Again because you resist to change for better, and if you don't change or improve yourself, your income won't change. Again it is the attitude and mindset.

Because my aim is to be a fulltime mother, I'm not career minded.

You only go out to work when problem arise?
Wouldn't it be a little too late? Remember we ages over time, and we may losses the working capacity we used to have previously as our health deteriorates.
I bought an umbrella not because it was raining at that time, but it is to prepared when it really rains.
What's your stand on my above statement?

Have you thought about babies? I want my children to have a very warm cozy home, with mother taking care of them, I want to shower them with love. I mean this is not only my dream but my husbands dream as well. He is traditional and he infact told me his ideal home sweet home is wife waiting for him when he returns from work and nice delicious dinner cooked and wait for him. And this is what he gets after we're married.

Imagining it up? no I am not (after all, several other people have pointed it out to you), you probably don't realise the vector of your argument, even after its been brought up numerous times. Being able to read these minute details that reveals a person's true intentions is something I pride myself on. I can and have pointed out such minor details to you, you may not think its important, but it is, because if you truly believe in something, and you truly stand behind what you say without the need to gain acceptance from others, your words and how you say them would be different.

as mention, I was being question from different angle, so I made the arguement from a different angle, however the message is stil the same

I can understand your frustration with the more immature members, but do you have to stoop to their level? They will beat you by experience moorish.

yes its frustrating sometimes

Oh, so its not about advising or educating people anymore?

Since when it was about advising, I've mere spoken my mind and says I finally understand this, because from what I know a lot of girls have this in the back of their mind, money was most time in the equation, they seem to be too afraid to admit this.

Statistically speaking, yes, that is more likely to happen. You did after all filter based on money FIRST rather than on character. The initial dates and all were based on his material wealth, not who he is as a person. This initial "filter" becomes your primary need, and when such a primary need is diminished, you may feel unfulfilled. YOU may be different, but generally and statistically speaking, that simply isn't the case. Advocating and propagating such a mentality is simply going to make things worse for society.

I did not start this trend, its been in the society for too long. Maybe you're not accepting this, lemme ask you a normal OL works in a nice big corporation, then a really really charming boy wants to date her, he works in a renovating company, he do partition, earns 1.5k a month, this is a true story, very very honest boy. You think she will go dating with him?

10 out of 10 girls I introduce will tell me if so good why you didnt date him? They would expect to date a guy at par with their earning and society class at par with them. This is still shunning off a good boy. I dun blame the girls because they've set a standard for themselves and who am I to tell them to lower it?

But when I proceed to accuse them they;re money minded, they would say no I am not, I'm a good girl whos looking for a good capable husband because in future when expenses runs higher I would expect him to be able to meet up.




Its one thing to say "go only after the rich men" and completely another to say "make sure you men is capable to support your future". They may both be similar, and have portions that overlap, but they are entirely different approaches. Can you see the difference?

Now this is how all this started, rich man, I could've put it in a very specific manner, but I'm just converting from the typical chinese saying, kar kor yau ching lou" means marry a rich husband. And it is never about only reserve for tycoons or datuks. The definition of is where the debate lies in. Some whom are already earning 10k would think only 100k deserve the title some who earn 1k would think 10k is rich.


The answer here is the same as the rest for your posting, you;re also taking only a portion of the words to debate instead of seeing the whole posting from my first post.

I've given the example of woman choosing a husband that can protect her form animal, able to get a cave and feed the family, but in modern society a man able to do is equals a man with a house, can raise the children to todays standard equals 10,000BC, hence he needs to at least earn 10k above I duno just an example, hence 10K above is consider rich to me.



The world isn't black & white. Going for either extreme is bad.
I didn't say you had to suck him dry, just that you're using his money for your own needs, without actually seeing him as a person, just like an ATM machine and someone to cheer you up when you're down. Get my drift?

repeatation, I've mention, if he cant swept me off my feet no matter how rich he is...its pointless we cant click hence I wont be his wife.

or are you implying even if I've a career and when time comes I wanna be a fulltime mother, and that will be the time I'm immoral coz I'm using his money?



Immoral by whose standards? Did you that if we all did a DNA test, we would that we're all mostly related to genghis khan? Now tell me, for a man, what would be a greater legacy than that?

You keep talking from a completely female perspective, and now, I'm sharing with you a completely male perspective.


If you wanna go into that angle, man use to be able to kill people and nothing wrong with that, to adapt into todays world, man play PS3 with all the violent game, we evolve. same as how woman would love a tough killer perhaps to be their protection.



Regarding children growing up, we can have a separate topic on that, perhaps do one in RWI, it needs a bit of a change of pace

You cant seperate the debate because from the first posting, it is about starting a family, how can you only debate the first half, getting married and choosing a husband but fail to see the outcome later in life because the sole intention is to have children?

Unfortunately, what you fail to realise is, this is what you're indirectly preaching.
It is not my fault if you phail to get the concept


Despite him being a great guy and not exactly poor.
well it depends what is your poor standard, 1.8k, 2k, 5k, 10k? My aim is he is capable to support a family


Its their fault for being so naive, however its equally stupid to jump from one end to the other. You can simply tell them that its important that their man understands what a family needs and is motivated to provide for it, or to tell them the importance of financial security and freedom in a family. If your advice came with such a tone, you wouldn't have had so much flak. However, your advice was simply "no money, no punani"

If they've read the first posting, about providing and not about being a princess and expect the caveman to carry her around they would understand and so would you. It was a basic and comfortable needs, not excessive.

In todays word even a 5k salary earner would still need to tie his belt if he were to do this and not exactly comfortable unless we;re talking about living in Jengka, but we're talking about city


about the flak, many guys have ego and got hurt by it



In all honesty, CC is a horrible place for such statistics as majority of the people here are immature, a lot of responses in this topic alone should be enough evidence You can throw me stories of your friends, and I can throw you back stories of my friends and relatives as well, both good and bad. All I've learnt from seeing all the cases (my own family included), is that in the end, its the bond in the family that matters, not any other factors and that if a couple gets into a relationship with such a filter first, it tends to stress the relationship a lot more when that primary criteria disappears.

Let me put it this way, money doesn't build a strong relationship, nor does it provide a reliable foundation for a relationship to build on. The bond in a relationship is strengthened based on the commitment of the couple themselves, money is simply a stress reliever in the relationship. Having it reduces the stress on the bond, which means it is less likely to break. This is good, BUT once it starts being stressed, you aren't sure whether the bond can handle such stress or not.

Agree, chances are there in both ends, but at least if you choose the richer one assuming everything is same then she at least gets to enjoy it.


If a relationship starts out with both sides interested in knowing the other for who they are they build a foundation based on that bond. If you have money (or looks if from the guy perspective) as one of your foundations in starting the relationship, when that starts to disappear or deteriorate, its not just additional STRESS being placed on the bond, the very foundation of that bond starts deteriorating as well. Isn't it obvious why things start to fall apart then?

In short, relationships are more likely to fail when:
1) The level of stress a relationship has to handle is not accounted for (not considering money, or the aging effect of the body)
I think money is one of the greatest arguement in marriage, hence I wont leave this out, unless you're talking about we living in jengka

2) Building a foundation on an uncertain/unreliable foundation (rich ppl can go bankcrupt in a manner of days, looks fade with age)
poor people can become poorer too

You fully understand the importance of point 1), but you totally undermine the importance of point 2).

pls read the very first posting and understand the true meaning, its all about providing for the family

Also, why did you avoid answering my last question?

I did answer your last question, I've only forgotten to highlight it in red

Guys guys, you are debating with women the wrong way.
You have to use THEIR OWN concept and idea against them to debate with them.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money and security so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old , no longer pretty with all the wrinkles, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct?

if you mean price = money, then you're so wrong, there are something that people wouldn't do no matter how much money you gave them

Fully agree, but there are also something people would definitely do for money right?

, thus the assumption you make in this thread, "girls are money minded" which indirectly tell that girl will submit anything if the price is right ?

When you've a wife you'll understand how important money is, everything is about money money money, she is money minded but doesnt mean she is an animal. We buy groceries, we know exactly how much is fish per kg and which stall gives better price, everyday we think of money.

please remember that we are not debating about the choice that you made to choose rich husband, but the perception itself of your views in money and relationship, then bringing the same level that you perceive in yourself to all girls which is what were are trying to prove it wrong

Maybe you're not accepting this, lemme ask you a normal OL works in a nice big corporation, then a really really charming boy wants to date her, he works in a renovating company, he do partition, earns 1.5k a month, this is a true story, very very honest boy. You think she will go dating with him?

10 out of 10 girls I introduce will tell me if so good why you didnt date him? They would expect to date a guy at par with their earning and society class at par with them. This is still shunning off a good boy. I dun blame the girls because they've set a standard for themselves and who am I to tell them to lower it?

But when I proceed to accuse them they;re money minded, they would say no I am not, I'm a good girl whos looking for a good capable husband because in future when expenses runs higher I would expect him to be able to meet up.

I'm expressing generally girls are money minded, of coz mother teresa is not money minded.

Lol.. seems like u still dun understd..
I didn't ask about marriage issue, or the girl is super gorgeous in eyes A, should have doubt on the girl or not etc... crap thingy...
read my questions..dun pusing-pusing n play inside bushes la.

1st questions.
Whether A should have dump B long time ago?

A - normal hardworking guy earning good average pay
B - Girl tat only accept guys tat can provide more security (XXXXXX), no money can only be friend with A to buy some time 1st... use A as spare tayar in case got emergency.

Since u said u not guy duno how to answer, ask guy whisper or tampon nice? now give another excuse go ask ur husband tat question lar...
like playin inside bushes.. den fine.  i reverse the questions with diff scenario earlier also....

if you insist an answer no matter how unrealistic it can be, then YES, Guy should keep girl. If I were a boy, I would pamper her, I would understand how she feel about security, I must first look at myself and see if I'm even qualify to marry her, do I have the capability to start a family.

If she accept me then I'm proud of myself and know I'm there, I'm successful.

Happy?

No matter how unrealistic it can be? This is real thing happen in BGR nowdays, you as a mother and when ur son grow up later, hope u will adv ur son like wat u wrote above ok? Don't say i dunno, not realistic, ask hubby adv ur son.  

Knowing the girl is money minded, and also have other guy friends, treat ur son as normal friend /special spare tayar for few years eventho ur son have confessed to her many times. Don't know whether she also like to play inside the bushes with other guys. Theres high possibility the girl will stray away n go fly kite with other richer man when she found 1. When that time happen, hope no1 end up haf 2 see doctor for counselling.

A spontaneous respond would be same like what you say it is, bcoz you want to protect the son, and being unreasonable and accuse the girl will run away when son is poor.

Notice unreasonable is being use? because you dun think properly.

But can we judge a person because we assume what a person will do in future? Is it even right to do that? unless the girl had a track record for being unfaithful then yes we can use that but that also we need to see if the person truly changed.

so I think you;re being unreasonable as mention maybe she set a standard?



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Same goes if i ask this question.

A girl who knows her bf alwys have affair outside but still stay with him for years because the BF rich have $$$$/ strong family financial backup. Hoping her bf will be touched and chg with her sincerity n loves. Later married ady still not chg .. divorce chances

Whether tat girl should have dump rich bf long time ago?
Yes- the girl should have dump B long time ago?
No- Tat girl should cont the relationship hoping rich bf will chg for good.

they're many more things involve, and things like this happen everyday,
you must make clear in the first place if the girl really love that guy.

Do u read the word i highlighted above in red ?

notice what I've answered you is same case as you gave?

You know I've this happening to my frens the husband is not even rich, earning about 5k, she caught him hvg a girl and when they quarrel he even beat her. I told her to dump him, but she just couldnt, infact she tried to revive the marriage by opening a biz for him loan from the parents I know the family very well, the parents are not rich either they refinance the house. I really wanted to tell her parents not to loan, but my other gf told me better dun get mixed up.

so i just stood aside and watch her destroy her life, at first she did bought sometime, he left the girl and my fren was so happy, later, again she caught him with another girl, after that he left her for that girl.

my fren cut her wrist, send to hospital, parents have to make false report caused by falling and smashing the sliding door.

so you see when you see such a case dun take life so simple...girl wants money, you think people no feeling one meh?

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So here, u will adv to dump tat guy (not even rich, 5K) , if that guy earn 10K how ?... maybe theres some chance tat guy will be touched by ur frens sincerity n loves and chg for good? Why don't u adv if ur fren really loves him, its okla give him chance and hope he will chg? Like ur adv earlier for the guy to continue chase the B girl by improving himself financially.   Kinda opposite view from ur 1st reply...irony.

Have u heard the saying "A Leopard Can't Change His Spots" ?


as mention again, a spontaneous respond is clouded with emotion, because we're angry, someone we care are the victim.

Here we;re debating if what I'm saying is true, what I'm doing will bring happiness, because you guys phailed to understand when I add rich to husband, I did not remove the usual husband quality, its just that he is rich.

Are you telling me rich guys are not honest? not loyal? no love? dead cell?


The main point for my 1st question is if u know the one u loves, don't loves u at the beginning but loves u later when u have more money, will u dump your loves one earlier or cont drag till get married lo knowing ur loves one loves ur money and den willing to loves u n marry u. 
Simple nia.. YES or NO.

again this happen everyday. want to hear stories?

No thxs.
I know you wont thats why I didnt write

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Added on October 7, 2009, 10:49 pmDuno la.. some ppl maybe. U din photo chop the baby pic still okla...

I feel both oso cute in their own ways. 
Actually i prefer cute baby, so i vote baby more cute.

Man and woman has their own responsibility both biologically and capacitatively.

Fast forward to the present.

Genetically we all still the same, and has been passed on for generations.Remember the word generation comes from the root word a noun "gene" means biological blueprint to the verb "generate" means create and "ratio" means numbers of proportion, and "rate" means scale, or measurements. So put it together "generation" simply means create more which ultimately means reproduce at a rate govern by natural rules. Scientifically proven, under the Selfish Gene Theory.

Man has the responsibility to work and earn money. Man is in fact the major provider and giver to his wife both terms of genetically and responsibly. Man can of course do more and help out the wife with the household chores in everyway way he can. Of course some men do it a little clumsy, like socks pairing go missing in the laundry, like standing away from the stove due to heat.

Woman's biological responsibility is still hasn't changed which is giving birth and nurturing future generations. But certainly most women knows that giving birth raising a child is a biological obligation, women can of course do more than that and even though the food shelter, transport and clothing is readily provided by the man in pursuing for self and family improvement and development.

agree with the rest, the bold part is the one I'm trying to stress, if I see the guy earning 2k and I dun wan him as my hubby because I dun feel secure to start a family with him, am I wrong to set a standard for myself?

Improvement in the sense that more children may requires a bigger house, a bigger car, and household appliances needs maintenance, replacement and upgrades. Your child needs to further studies to a well known university, probably needs a new car.

when I reject a candidate with an income of 2k because I know he cant provide coz I'm rushing to have a family, time is against me, I dun want to have a baby after I'm 35 while waiting for him, am I wrong?

A man can in fact provide a sustainable lifestyle for the entire family, if his earning a lot of money upholding all basic necessities. I believe providing the best for a child is not just limited to spending time, nurturing and raising the child to adulthood. It is a lot more than that. I also believe a woman/mother will also go to her limits in achieving the best possible for her child, so as the the man. Why I put the "man" at the last tagged because the man has already the major provider for both woman and child.

And because the population growth rate compare to the wealth distribution are exponentially unbalance, which creates a violent competition for money. Meaning to say everyone wants to have a biggest possible share on the same cake, since our population has increased in numbers each one of us gets a smaller share of the cake now, and it is getting smaller in years to come. More men and women entering to work-force to earn money for survival. Just look at what RM50 can buy now, compared to 20 years back.

Therefore we have men and women working in our society now. Men are now more open and willing to take up feminine rolls such as cooking or does the laundry, when conventionally  some men don't even enters the kitchen or lifted a finger to do the housework. Women on the other hand has also changed whereby male dominated industry slowly includes women and respected and welcomed woman to compete in the market. We have women playing football, women works as CEO, or even women doctors, lawyers now. You name it.

Whether women should work or are biologically fulltime mothers or do both, it is still debatable and questionable.

However, external forces such as economy and competition of better life actually slowly leads the modern women to do both. Evolution has allowed us human to learn and adapt for survival and obviously women has evolved in some way by entering the work force.

I agree with that, but I've never ever in my life tell people when you marry you dun have to work.

I'm saying I've given the example of woman choosing a husband that can protect her form animal, able to get a cave and feed the family, but in modern society a man able to do is equals a man with a house, can raise the children to todays standard equals 10,000BC, hence he needs to at least earn 10k above I duno just an example, hence 10K above is consider rich to me.

about the helping out or subsidizing, I believe ancient woman also gather fruits and chase out smaller animals, doesnt need flintstone to do that, she can handle it.

I'm saying the instinct of woman 10,000BC was security and the modern world security is money, so hence girls are money minded. (when choosing a husband, coz the topic was about starting a family not about splashing money or how to get rich over nite)

so the poor won't get a chance to score and have family?

dun worry, I'm saying if you've a chance you marry the rich.

and also if the guy is rich... chances are they got other girls glueing on them as well even if they are attached or even have wife at home... i seen cases like this ok.. my uncle is rich and he main kayu tiga wan... many perempuan simpanan outside and my aunty even committed suicide before.... so now u tell me izit having a rich guy as husband really all but good?

I've also seen marrying the poor, she has to use up all her salary to compensate the household, yet found hubby in prostitute centre.

Girls ~~ guys here observing us and our feminine virtues thr our posts here, so, beware ~ you gals have been retrieving our .. secrets.  They are always the tricky guys, they ask Qs spinning us around and watching us stepping into their traps...

I'd say we try other ways to express ourselves and try other ways to help reminding other ladies to stop being weak ... shall we?

Yup, there are cases of those so called "Rich man" wives used their hubby money for spree shopping, mahjong or go up Uncle Lim place for gambling.
When they cant get enuf money from the hubby to support their lust for more money... these ppl start to sell body or take loan from ah long..some might even
have affair with another richer man just to get extra money. If they cant get the more $$$$$$, they will become despo and start wreaking havoc with their hubby..

Once become crazy for money,,,,unsatisable hunger for moor...  kicks in...

So, girls pls dun be money minded and proud of it ok.

Oh you want to add "love"  into it.OK.
So girls, if you believe that it is ok for a girl to choose a guy based on money, security and LOVE so a guy CAN ALSO choose a girl based on her looks,LOVE and how tight her vagina is correct? If one day the girl is old. no longer pretty with all the wrinkles and the guy NO LONGER LOVES her, it's also ok to divorce or dump her correct? Fair right?

I just realize you just edited your first post.
Girls are money minded, And Be proud of it.

Have you heard about Seven Deadly Sins?

Greed (covetousness, avarice) — Greed is when somebody wants more things than the person needs or can use. Dante wrote that greed is too much "love of money and power".

Envy (invidia) —  Like greed, Envy (Latin, invidia) may be characterized by an insatiable desire; they differ, however, for two main reasons. First, greed is largely associated with material goods, where as envy may apply more generally. Second, those who commit the sin of envy resent that another person has something they perceive themselves as lacking, and wish the other person to be deprived of it. Dante defined this as "love of one's own good perverted to a desire to deprive other men of theirs." In Dante's Purgatory, the punishment for the envious is to have their eyes sewn shut with wire because they have gained sinful pleasure from seeing others brought low. Aquinas described envy as "sorrow for another's good".

Pride (vanity) —  In almost every list Pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris, is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and indeed the ultimate source from which the others arise. It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self (especially holding self out of proper position toward God). Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbor." In Jacob Bidermann's medieval miracle play, Cenodoxus, pride is the deadliest of all the sins and leads directly to the damnation of the titulary famed Parisian doctor. In perhaps the best-known example, the story of Lucifer, pride (his desire to compete with God) was what caused his fall from Heaven, and his resultant transformation into Satan. In Dante's Divine Comedy, the penitents were forced to walk with stone slabs bearing down on their backs in order to induce feelings of humility.

source:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deadly_Sins
2. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

You don't get it do you.

You girls are saying that it's OK for girls to be money minded. I'm fine by that, it's YOUR RIGHT to choose whatever husband you want.

However you girls are saying , hey it's not wrong for girls to have a wealth standard for guys but it's wrong for guys to have a beauty standard for girls.\

well I'm not denying this part about man gets attracted to beautiful girls, But I'm sure if he were to warn her about him leaving her later she would accumulate all his money

Remember guys are usuallys still rich until they're old while girls loses their beauty and youth as they grow older. Technically guys are still meeting girls criteria when they're older while girls is NO LONGER meeting the guy's criteria when they're older.

True, thats why becareful and keep as much as you can hahahaha jk

What if your husband is a poor guy and later on when you're older he still dump you for a younger girl?

That's why I asked the girls, is it ok for guys to divorce/dump the girl when they're no longer youthful?

we've also pass the 

"By the way, we're also way pass about rich will be unfaithful and poor man are saints."

Debbie highlighted that

You're still not answering the question.  What does "rich will be unfaithful and poor man are saints" have to do with the question. It's not relevant at all.

It's a general question regardless whether the guy is poor or rich. If you say it's ok for girl to have a wealth standard criteria for guys then it's ALSO OK for guys to have a beauty standard for girls right? It's just a simple question.

Since this statement is really goes wrong, so I would like to share to you my personal story. You can ignore this story if you want to.

Geez i really need to rephrase my question to prevent you from coming out questions that irrelevant of a guys wealth.
If you say it's ok for girl to have a wealth standard criteria for guys then it's ALSO OK for guys regardless or EITHER whether they are POOR OR RICH to have a beauty standards for girls right?

No they don't. I can't get a yes answer from any of the girls here so how can you say that they acknowledge this fact.

If you want luxury lifestyle with that income, of course cannot.

Well the TS started it with WEALTH standard and NOT attitude,personality. That's why I came up with this question.
is it ok if gals dump/divorce their men if they find their bf no longer young and energetic?

YES if the guy feel the same way about girls too. See, no twisting your questions around .

and she edited it because she realised she posted horseshit on 1st post.

You've mentioned it in one of your posts.

I've wrote so much I cant really remember exactly what I wrote, some part are advise like be defensive about ourselves and so on I believe.

So what if you didn't start the trend? Just because its the trend, you're going to follow it? Its a human trend in history to kill people, do you want to be killing people? No, I don't think so. Just because its the trend, doesn't mean you can't break from it. The same thing applies to the current situation, I'm not saying that you should give up the requirement of having a capable husband, but I'm saying that you should be focusing more on the person himself, rather than what the person has materially.

The intention is to start a family, so focusing on the wealth part meaning I wont date a blue worker who earns 1.5k salary is to save time I think or simply not my taste I duno.

But the part of clicking with him and comfortable that I can rely on this person also important, as mention over again.




What you say, what you mean, and what you imply, can all mean different things. Did you know that? The choice of words you use, even if you're translating from a different language, carry different implications, even if they mean the same thing. For example, I know that saying, but if I were to explain to a girl who is naively telling me love conquers all, I'm not going to say "you need a rich partner" or "go marry a rich man". I'm going to tell her that its important that her partner is able to support a family, how money will stress a relationship and how her partner must also realise its importance.

Do you see the difference in approach here?

Then it will be a wall of text if we try to cover every corner which isnt practical right? this is a forum and I'm not writting a book.

First, I'm not saying you're immoral for using his money. I expect to pay for my partner and my wife, and I expect to be able to support my family. However, if my partner is choosing me because of my money, and not because she likes me as a person, then I'm not going to want to be with such a person.

Same with if my husband choose me because he finds me beautiful and only wan the sex part then I wouldnt wanna marry him either

Being swept off your feet is fine and all, it is afterall those extra points that will often differentiate one guy from another. The question is, can you see the person's qualities for what they are and not how it pertains to you?

Well this is a long story, but something very outstanding about my hubby is how charitable he is, b4 knowing him I really dun bother much, I mostly or as many like to put selfishly think about myself, but after I know him, I got involve into many things he do.

He is a member of Malaysia Spinal cord association and he helps out a lot, he is in very close contact with members there and visit UMMC to help out on new spinal cord injury victim, he regularly participate in a lot of private charity event. So I guess this part I was really move with him.

plenty other things but will be too long to write






Wow, do you seriously want to use such a pathetic argument? In case you do not know, the killing in this world hasn't stopped, if anything it just keeps continuing. Do you really think playing the ps3 curbs our violent tendencies? No, its our education that curbs that, its how we're brought up, if you're not brought up the right way, whether you play a violent game or not, you're going to act violent.

I'm saying the part about violent, I notice man likes violent movie, or violent games like fishing


Its important, but the actual issues to discuss are different. I'll make a RWI topic for it later, and I would like your input on it
No, its you who fails to recognise what you're implying.
In my case, its because you're propagating a disgusting mentality which I believe hurts relationships in the long term. Your actual point itself may be ok, but what you say has its implications which you're simply not aware of.

agree, coz most time I write things fast fast


Wow, complete and utter fail of comprehension? That entire paragraph was talking about how a relationship will be stressed without money. Means if rich --> no money. If poor --> no money. At least with the poor relationship, wealth wasn't a deciding factor in the relationship, so its more likely to last.

sorry if I got your point wrongly, too many to reply not only from yu but many others and I've limited time.
anyway I think its in fairytales if money is not involve, and wouldnt be fair right because you and I know top cases of family fight involve money.

Our approach in this is completely different. I realise the importance of money and I know it can be an issue, which is why I focus on character so that the lack/abundance of money becomes a non-issue. When stressed due to lack of money, it would be tough, but at least I know my partner is in with me for who I am, not for what I've lost.

I again speak of my experience, with my first bum bf I loved him but I did hint many times about how are we gonna start a family...seems impossible, coz he tells me things like make do which I'm afraid, coz I panic, what if get sick and so on and we've no money? I dont feel secure with him.

With my hubby things were different, I feel secure, but I didnt marry him straight right, we dated for 2 years b4 getting married, what I wanna say is I pick a successful man and then try to let love blossom from there, so everything else remains the same. Its like hubby notice me from the crowd because of my look, but I wont be worrying sick everyday what if I turn old and he leave me for a young and beautiful girl later bcoz last time he got attracted to me because of look.

same as the other way round I got attracted to him because he was successful, but later I learn to love him and married him. So I think yes I will stick to him thru thick or thin.




Indeed it is, and if shit hits the fan in your family's finances, how much would you be worth on the market moorish? At what price would you be bought out? Remember, you did mention that everyone has their price, and that implies, you yourself, have a price.

you implying I would leave him when he is down? I dun think so, I cherish all the happiness he has given me, I think he is godsend.


I ask you a direct question, and you answer the opposite of what I ask? You're incredibly selfish, arrogant, and narcissistic to think that your husband's life is just entirely filled with you, as though as a person he has no other purpose or function. What the heck is he to you? A tool to fulfil your needs? Is that all you see him as? Is it so hard for you to just list a few things that defines him for who he is? Perhaps like how he's such a selfless person? or perhaps his confidence and how he carries himself? treats his parents/relatives? or how he is driven and motivated? his unique style of thinking? etc. etc. etc.


After dating a person for so long, being married and having his child. Simple stuff like that doesn't even cross your mind when you think about him? How incredibly self centred you are moorish.

You like to judge a person as arrogant and selfish, I think you're arrogant and always think your thoughts and egos are the center of the universe, just because a few phailed debater says you;re good yuo're all high up there. To me you're just another forumer with a hurt egos, only differences are you're extra long winded.

I dun feel comfortable telling things he do as I think charity things are best kept private, since you insist I've posted it up there. and there plenty more which I wont tell. But the charity part is the one that really really strike deep into me.

So u admit ur earlier posting is VERY misleading and might caused BAD influence to GIRLS if they understd wrongly.

Next time think properly first before take action and its outcome consequences.

Yeah.. PROUD OF IT. 

Ya.. she likes to spin around to cover her obviously earlier mistake... or else she wont edited her front page post.

I ask her direct simple questions also she cant give a proper answer. After kena shoot den diam diam ady..

i'm proving not all human are money minded as you claim, and you give me another irrelevant fact that i already known
money is important but not more important than or even equivalent to the character of your love one itself

do you think its a good idea if a 1k earner gets married and have 10 children and live in KL ...they do really really love each other, and they're staunch christian who do not believe in condom.


since when everything is about money in relationship ? so when your hushband want sex, you said to him, i wan money ?, no right ?

you;re playing catching words, understood la when say everything means most of the things, you think I will reread what I write b4 posting? I;ve so many to answer


there lies your assumption based on 10 girls, where this world contain billions of it, are so sure that every single of them will give the same respon ?

I hvnt the time to try all, again this means majority and I find it good enuf sample to say this.
If you want to win by biting words then you should have proven me wrong by saying mother teresa is not money minded, simple isnt it?.

lower and high expectation are all choices, some people prefer look over money, some prefer maturity over money, you can't simply said all are them are the same for you because you like money the most in a relationship compare to others

of cos not every girl is like that, plenty wish they can but not all have the chance, otherwise the poor people all no need to get married and no divorce case of money would exist

nope you have done more than expressing itself, one of it is bragging, notice the last line in the tittle itself "proud of it"

It is not bragging, it is just bold to admit which many do it but deny it.

i mean when price = money, and money can't buy everything ler friend
agree money cant buy everything, but money can buy almost everything.

average looking girls will complain
incapable guys find my theory a problem too

Why u want to make it simpler for ppl to understd if there are so many ppl here are against u?
They also have poor judgement? How many ppl here beside debbieyss and few puny tat hlp cover ur back ?
Tot u said market are alwys rite?

If the msg u want to pass ard is wrong, pls brave enuf and admit la.... dun spin around and give lame excuses.

You are the one that have poor comprehension on my questions and give poor answers coz u are so far out from the actual
situation FACT given.