We cannot blame moorish because she is kampung gal with kampung mentality. Modern women prefer to earn their own money and live independently, without relying on men. It is amusing, she preaches others to choose a rich guy as husband. Moorish, are you still living in a cave? please continue this debate because you are my entertainment!

Gosh, is your mind so narrowly single tracked? I'm not saying you run to the richest guy, but "rich" is a necessity to you, and you have placed "rich" as a higher priority over love. Love being the feelings, responsibility and commitment to a relationship. You have placed the person's wealth HIGHER than the person's character. In essence, you're saying the person's money, is more important than the person himself.

I threw a scenario to you, to answer, it will clear up your position, but rather than answer it, you chose to side step the question. This only further weakens your position in this discussion, as it seems you're trying to escape.

Here's the scenario again:
If your husband is making 15k a month and its enough for you, a guy who is making 100k a month isn't going to be very enticing to you. However, if suddenly things go bad for business and he ends up making 2k a month...  would someone who is making 12k a month might seem more enticing to you now? Would you change your lifestyle, demands and expectations during the rough times? Would you be able to resist the tempations of material wealth if approached by another guy?

You're so damn shallow. Guys who marry a girl just because she's pretty is shallow, and that sort of person is very likely to cheat on her once her beauty starts to fade. Yes, we men like beautiful women... but the person we choose (or at least I) has something else besides the beauty. The thing that makes us stick to them is not how she looks, but who she is.

Her looks may attract me to get to know her better, but what would make me stick around her, is what kind of person she is. Do you see the difference with the position you advocate?
Its one thing to say that you chose another guy because your current guy was just a total bum. Its another to say that you leave your current guy because the other guy has more zeroes in his account. While there are scenarios where both criteria fits, the latter scenario can also happen if your guy is making enough, but you just demand more. THAT is the position you're advocating, and THAT is why you're getting so much flak.

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I do agree with that there is nothing wrong with a girl expecting her life long partner to be successful. However, I do not agree with your advocation of the position that wealth is more important than the person himself. Wealth, is a supporting factor, not the initial and deciding factor.
You can never really know... the only way to know is to hit rock bottom and see if she'll be there to support you back up. That will be the test of her love, if she dumps you for someone richer because of that, then you can know that she loved the money... not you. However, who will want to hit rock bottom when they're at the top just to "test" this? Its stupid and pointless, so such a test cannot be artificially produced.

If you choose a person because of their wealth, you are essentially selling yourself. The fallacy moorish makes, is that its "the highest bidder", which is not necessarily the case. Its not an auction Its really more like how the market works. If a person buys at a price you're comfortable with, then its ok. You don't need to wait for the highest bidder, just enough to satisfy yourself.

The problem in this, that I keep trying to tell moorish, is that it places the wealth BEFORE the person. Its not "My partner has to have abc characterics and be able to support my family". She advocates "My partner has to be rich and also have abc characteristics".
+1

If you choose a person because of their wealth, you are essentially selling yourself. The fallacy moorish makes, is that its "the highest bidder", which is not necessarily the case. Its not an auction Its really more like how the market works. If a person buys at a price you're comfortable with, then its ok. You don't need to wait for the highest bidder, just enough to satisfy yourself.

The problem in this, that I keep trying to tell moorish, is that it places the wealth BEFORE the person. Its not "My partner has to have abc characterics and be able to support my family". She advocates "My partner has to be rich and also have abc characteristics".
+1

I think all moorish is saying is that:

The chances for true love to blossom is equal wether or not one is rich, so why not take your chances with the richer ones.

Right?

Yes, I know i have spelling mistake.

And I never claim that my English is good.

You who claim your English is good, having so many grammar mistake that being picked and edited by someone who has bad command of English like me.

So, here shows what kind of attitude you have.

You said it when you said "A guy is just as likely to cheat on you in 10 years, might as well go for a rich one". I'm not putting words in your mouth, you said it yourself. Every word you use, how you use it, and how you justify/rationalise things reveals about what you truly think. Its easy to set up a "main point" that sounds good, but when that point is attacked, everything you use to defend it, will weigh in to the conclusion of your argument. If your argument is solid, your defence of it will remain consistent. That consistency is not reflected in your writing.
Wrong. I'm not coming from the view of who is chasing who. That is IRRELEVANT. I'm coming from the point of what keeps people together. The position you're advocating is "money". Whether you realise that or not.
Let me quote you...

bolded for emphasis
I don't know.. why don't YOU tell me?
That's because you got what you want. Now what happens if you lose it? As the above, what happens if your husband becomes poor?
Why do you always choose the extremes? You may not "hate" him, but you may find that person "acceptable". He may not be the most romantic person in the world, he may not be very sensitive, but he treats you well enough. Such a guy, in your mind would be more worth sticking with, than a person who treats you better, but doesn't make as much money.
Once again, what happens if he becomes "poor"? Sometimes being "poor" can last for a few years before he gets back up on his feet again. During that period, what would you do? what is your advice going to be for people in similar situations?

Why do you always choose the extremes? You may not "hate" him, but you may find that person "acceptable". He may not be the most romantic person in the world, he may not be very sensitive, but he treats you well enough. Such a guy, in your mind would be more worth sticking with, than a person who treats you better, but doesn't make as much money.

hmm i get it now, is just that you won't settle for anything less

how's the baby loli?
how old? is this ur first?

Wow, you win the internut for picking up my grammar mistakes! and yet you make stupid mistakes yourself. Double facepalm.jpg right to your face? lol! I did not pick on your English mistakes. Is it that hard to define a boundary for having "decent income" vs "rich"? I m so sorry to say you are indeed blunt and stupid.

Refer to bolded sentence. Again, you contradict what you posted earlier on which makes you look stupid again! x2 the power!!. Having to read all the posts between u&moorish and dickson/noobi3/silver, I agree with noobi3, both you and moorish suck at debating.
lol! Woman talk crap champion: Moorish and debbie. Congrats! lol!

@silverhawk- stop wasting time with them la lol!
exactly what you two want to point out anyway? to show girls always keep on changing their minds? LOL

you got pre-nuptial agreement ?

they are like that, because when we sex them up we get to release all the crap back into them, it's like give and take

Can u girls just stand on a firm ground and debate on just that? rather than twisting and turning into circle? It is no wonder this thread has ballooned to 70 pages. Peace out~

what hehehe ? later he divorce you no money wei, that time have kids d and not so beautiful have less chance to find rich guy, cause they prefer better looking girl and don't have kids one, so cham ler depend money on others

No matter how I dislike someone, how I being wronged, I will never say people "stupid".

Someone who has lived 30 years know nothing about respect.

I think that goes without saying. I mean if you were ask me to pick between two women who were similar in every way except that one was hotter than the other, I'd pick the hotter one of course. What irks me personally is her choice of the word "rich". We aren't looking at two opposite ends of the spectrum, so the term "rich" is relative. One guy is richer than the other, which doesn't mean that the guy who isn't as rich is poor. He just isn't as rich.

This means that if she had a choice of picking between a guy who earns say RM10,000 a month and another who earns RM 15,000, she would go for the latter, all other things being equal. Now once again, if they are exactly the same, why not go for the richer one? However as she herself has mentioned, there is a large grey area. It could mean that the guy who earns RM 10,000 is actually an up and coming success story, a rags to richest story if you like. The guy who earns RM 15,000 may have inherited his father's company and sucks at his work. What am I getting at? The RM 10,000 has the potential to be even more successful in the near future because he works harder. He has already learned the hard way how to climb to the top and even if he falls once, he knows how to get back up there. The latter can't say the same. These are factors I'd consider when talking about grey areas.

I may have missed something as I've not read EVERY post, but saying you'll go out with the richer guy without considering these other factors just shows that a person chooses instant gratification over a delayed one. Often the latter is longer term.

i didn't mean that, you get it the wrong way, it's like girl mostly torture us with nagging, grumbling and stuff, but we are okay with it cause we get to give them back with something XD, fair an square =X

this is the actually think that you throw back at yourself "you like to think like you're helluva grand" cause you wouldn't accept anything less =P

Dont apologize when you are right.

A prenuptial agreement, antenuptial agreement, or premarital agreement, commonly abbreviated to prenup or prenupt, is a contract entered into prior to marriage or civil union by the people intending to marry. The content of a prenuptial agreement can vary widely, but commonly includes provisions for division of property and spousal support in the event of divorce or breakup of marriage.

Well it's a positive that you haven't totally sold yourself out to money.

Correct indeed, money (or security as I would rather put it) isn't the only criteria. I've stayed away from this debate for awhile in hope of getting of viewing the arguments from a bigger perspective. In the end it comes down to ones own personal choice. There is no right or wrong here. It's just disturbing to me that you mention money before any other criteria. Fairplay, you did say it wasn't the only criteria but yet, you keep bringing it up. Basically, you are looking for a rich guy who can meet your other needs and not the other way around. The difference is while you're looking for the finished article, some do not mind investing in potential. Personally, I think a person who has potential and has a high chance of reaching it can prove to be more secure in the long run, because they know how to stand on their own two feet.

This does not make sense.

You could also say, the chances for true love to blossom are equal whether or not one is left-handed or right-handed, so why not take your chances with the right-handed ones?

The chances for true love to blossom are equal whether or not one is short or tall, so why not take your chances with the tall ones?

The chances for true love to blossom are equal whether or not one is Asian or Western, so why not take your chances with the Western ones?

If you choose to narrow your prospects so, you are expressing a bias. You are saying that you cannot look beyond your biases to love a person who does not meet them. You are being superficial.

This does not make sense.



But when your bias is for money, there's another word for it. It's called greed. You see, to be superficial is to be immature. You can grow out of it, or you can let the world knock some sense into you.

But greed is ingrained. Greed is a lot harder to get rid of. Greedy people are a lot less likely to change.

i think what moorish trying to said that,

rich guy = give more priority

rich guy but with attitude problem = test drive 1st if boh ngam then ditch and find new 1.

not-rich guy = asked them main buntut themself.

thats what i understand 

Moorish, I have an enquiry.
If u have been with ur boyfriend(very very average income) for years and nothing is happening.
A single guy(well-off) pops into your life, currently as a friend.

1) You would have left your boyfriend long before you met the well-off guy.
2)You leave your current boyfriend and make yourself "available" once you and the well of guy are friends.(Atm friends only, future dunno yet)
3)You leave your current boyfriend, once the guy begin his move to woo u.(He didnt know u have bf)
4)You leave your current boyfriend, once the guy ask u to become his gf.(He didnt know u have bf)
I respect your answer in anyway, feel free to elaborate/explain ur answer, like telling him u have a bf, etc =)

Cheers

Why make it sound so nice 1?
Since u with a bum for  many years, then his attitude one kind and lotsa problem in relationship, why don't just break off with him earlier?
Why still hang on to this bum? If still cant find any other person with better $$$$ , better attitude, u will cont the relationship n later marry him ?
Opps.. get marry to him?

So u answer leh?
2)You leave your current boyfriend and make yourself "available" once you and the well of guy are friends.(Atm friends only, future dunno yet)
3)You leave your current boyfriend, once the guy begin his move to woo u.(He didnt know u have bf)
4)You leave your current boyfriend, once the guy ask u to become his gf.(He didnt know u have bf)

depending on the point of criteria, i'm just merely trying to prove that money issin't a big deal in finding a partner, issin't that's what people in here debating about ?

i'm not being stuck up, just trying to understand people that put money as a big deal in their criteria, and the reasons behind them

Sorry, can't resist giving my 2 cents   

Regarding choosing a guy for his potential, most guys never realise their early promise. Most will remain middle-class, only a few will make it to the ranks of upper management or the newly rich while a minority will fall down  the hole cause of bad habits, illnesses and so on. So IMHO, it's better to choose someone who has already "made it" or has made so much progress that success is inevitable. It's like choosing a completed property over an under construction one 

Was he aware u have a bf?

Wat if the new guy is well-off but his "well-off" is not self-made? But sufficient to last for a very long time, though not super amount but enough for 3 kids to go oversea study!

Cheers again

erm you mean average people can't afford a baby ? lol

"go find a rich husband la since security ($$$$)".... if female want chose this decision.... she must prepare the life like the wife of king of macau casino, stanley ho which he is few wife... if cannot... ask the female think carefully before doing decision....

basically it is about the evil of money.

you need money to have a baby born in nice enviroment.

Come to think of it,why don't do it at General Hospital...it is cheaper and affordable.
know why??....leceh mah...need to register at Goverment clinic 1st before you can visit before can refer and give birth in General Hospital.

which is why bringing a new baby to the world is so darn expensive as compared to your mother or even grandma time.

tell me..why the changes??? the General Hospital still there.cost might have gone up but still below 1k.
it is all about pampering,nice comfortable surrounding and

Yes!! i am not saying it is wrong but just that time changes as we coming into new age.

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Added on October 6, 2009, 8:57 pm
that if you decided want to pamper yourself at nice hospital

surely expensive!!

I dun trust general hospital with my life let alone the life of my loved ones. Imagine your loved one's life being threatened and the nurses and doctor just 'slumber' only. I've lost my father because of this. Not to say is the doctor's or nurse's fault. Is the fault of the system. Not enuff funds. Alwiz not enuff funds. No thank you. Better to minimize the risk. Anyways, quoted amount of rm10k a month doesnt even include the maternity period.

Yup... sad.. i feel pity for those guy who have gf or wife like B type.
They should have dump B long time ago. 

Wat say u moorish?

Ya.. tats why i feel he kinda dumb oso.. maybe can "pui fuk" him coz he can still chase her after so many rejection throughout the years.

Yup, market is alwys right. Only ppl make right or wrong decision.
Dun blindly follow the "Herd Mentality" as all or most of them will get slaughtered sooner or later.

Those girls tat prefer guys with more $$$ than a normal working guy..  most of the time they will get alot critics from others.
like those young girls marry Datuk.. etcs..  why only a few girls like tat but most of the  girls still can satisfied n settle down with a normal working guy.
So is market/majority ppl alwys rite?

So wats ur answer to my questions??

moorish...ur baby so cute ~~~~

Hi guys,


Moorish, I have read lot's of the contents of this thread, maybe you should think and look with your heart seriously in terms of developing a career  and make yourself financially independent, at the same time still you may dream on marrying a rich husband plus also you  must have feeling for him as well lar.

wa 6.4k not so bad. c-section?

Average people can't have babies if they have defective vaginas and so automatically need RM6500 Caesarian sections.

ROFL!

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Added on October 7, 2009, 12:27 amI can't believe that doctors still do episiotomies in Malaysia, by the way.

It's a horseshit procedure and it's shocking to see doctors sticking to their guns and insisting on doing it without exception.

moorish, your posts reek of inconsistency.

this thread should have been done with since people like noob13 and silverhawk stepped in, they could have not put it any better than they could, some of them were really enlightening.

but nooooo, u had to side-step most of the questions like silverhawk said, and all of a sudden your views and arguements differ from your previous statements

I'm sure me or other people can point out your inconsistencies deliberately, but it'll be too tiring to scour through an 6 month old thread.

i mean come on... don't expect to not be flamed or challenged heavily with a topic title like Girls are money minded and be proud of it?

come on, proud of it? really? is money that righteous of a thing?

you may be happy now, but you may not be in the future? bear in mind that money is always only temporary happiness, everything changes when the baby grows up.

the only reason i can think of why you're still in this 6 month old thread is because of, ego.
when you state something as shameless and bold as 'girls are money minded, and have every right to be' you just can't lose, losing means not only making you look bad but it also means contradicting yourself,
your views,
your beliefs,
and your this mission to reach out to girls that it is prideful to be money minded and in turn causing you to think on wether your choices you made were right....
or your marriage was right...
or that if you happy at all? and not false-believing in so?

if your life is as happy as u say, there shouldn't be any reason why you're still debating, you're already happy right?
so why the insecurity about this?
why the stubbornness?
if you truly believe you are right, then so be it..

6 months is way too long already babe, wether you have managed to reach out or convince the girls your ideology shouldn't matter already. 6 months is too long, anybody would be bored and tired already.

just stop posting and let this thread die honey, you seem to be the only consistent female poster.(other than miss debbieyss)

just live your happy life.

beautiful baby btw....

^lol still defending your horseshit post.