is ok for girls to be money minded.. but it's best for couple to be equally rich if not later after marriage, their love will move on to their kids and childs.
At that time whoever is dependent have to obey to the richer 1. (the girl will lack the power to command)
If u are the girls which is dependent, are u willing to obey to every command given by ur husband?
some aren't willing to do so which result in argument while other trying to keep it to themselves when at time they feel the urge to divorce..this kinda happen to some of my relatives. her husband is the bad attitude and commanding type(almost the same if u compare to the 1st guy that earned 5 digit/month in the actual/last post)..

so girls....
rich guy but bad attitude even if they loved u = bad choice, u will be controlled like a slave
rich guy with good attitude but they dont really love u = mistress
rich guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur best bet( this apply only if u'r at the same level of richness as him)
poor guy with good attitude and they loved u = ur pet (this apply only if he's poorer than u)

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Added on May 3, 2009, 10:45 amsry for the bad grammer and spelling..

I believe what the academics here are loudly discussing about is Darwinian ideas on Natural Selection as published in On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Species
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

I believe this was what moorish wanted to highlight when she started the thread. And the two academics having the debate are also have different interpretation of Darwin's works.

Darwin's theory is based on key facts and inferences drawn from them, which biologist Ernst Mayr summarized as follows:
-Individuals less suited to the environment are less likely to survive and less likely to reproduce; individuals more suited to the environment are more likely to survive and more likely to reproduce and leave their inheritable traits to future generations, which produces the process of natural selection
-This slowly effected process results in populations changing to adapt to their environments, and ultimately, these variations accumulate over time to form new species

I believe what everyone is discussing here is a modern interpretation of his ideas on Natural Selection. - money(being rich), being confident(believe in oneself), being successful, being attractive, younger, stronger, smarter etc(the dominant trait), are all different intrepretation of being suited to the environment. The more suited you are the higher chance you will be selected, again depending on the environment(standards/context) that you are in, the parameters of it will differ. No point again we argue on a standard(environment/reference) that we are using.

The jist of the whole arguement is that there are traits that attract people and the opposite sex. We cannot argue on which trait/parameter/character/class/etc are the dominant/critical one unless you are refering to a very specific environment. In the TS(moorish)'s environment, obviously she puts money as the dominant trait of attractiveness, whereas Hawk's has his own set of ideas as do Ezra.

Step a few steps back(further plesae...) and you will see that it all comes down to Natural Selection and the survival of the fittest. It is just that in the environment that you are in, what do YOU term as the dominant trait? 

Moorish - I only agree partially of your statement, I actually second the first part, that love/marriage came it
Back to the topic, are girls more money-minded?  Just a few bad eggs in the basket doesnt mean all are bad.  Generally, i would like to take a larger view of the picture.  In modern world, who can resist money?  No one. Money is powerful, more brutal MONEY talks can be find outside of kopitiam in the RWIssue column.  Undoubtedly we have greed on money, but everyone is chasing for a better future instead of anything else.  Saying girls are more money-minded is a plain wrong quote cos everyone does. Are 'boys' not money minded? Given a poor boy without/very low ability to feed himself, here comes two sexy babe, one with money, one without money, both same sexy, same kind, same everything, which one would the boy choose? Im sure most boys would choose the one with money??! NO?

Huh? i'm a guy, and i think what u said is retarded. I absolutely love a rich girl's behaviour. They are less clingy, more independant, and our rendezvouz dont have to be limited to how much i earn only since we can both chip in comfortably.

Money minded or not, money is the lubricant for the engine of livelihood...

Depends how much craving you have

For some RM xxxx maybe enough, for some, no matter how many RMs, it will never be enough

When a person's expectation and taste of life changes, so do the value chain of the person's purchasing preference

Man, are there sooooo many misconceptions in here.

1) Men need money so they can provide for their women.
Hello, is this the year 2009 or 1909? Women have their own careers now, they're independent, they can earn their own money. A fair and equal relationship means both partners provide for each other.

2) Women only want men who can support them financially.
If this is your only perception of women, then you're hanging out with the wrong people. There are plenty of mature and independent women out there - but then again, you're not likely to date them because you're immature.

3) Rich men are more confident, therefore more attractive to women.
Boy, you really haven't lived much, have you? Plenty of rich people are miserable, and plenty of average working-class people are lead happy, satisfying lives. Wealth is only a symptom, not a cause.

Both sides are arguing extremes here - one side says "Money is important!", the other side says "Money is not everything!", then that side says "So you want to be poor izzit?"

"Important" is not the same as "Everything".
"Money isn't everything" doesn't mean "I'm happy to be poor".

There's so many straw men being thrown around here - y'all really need to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

In any case, I fall more on the side of "money isn't everything". It's especially antithetical to love, which is all about compassion and sacrifice and doing the right thing instead of blindly following some "biological imperative". It doesn't mean that financial problems won't affect relationships. It does mean that financial problems can be overcome, as long as the love and trust are strong.

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I read a few pages and I skipped to the last page. Moorish i admire u, as u think a lot better and wise than others.

Poor and Stingy guys, stop finding excuses. Wake up and find more money. Stop watching those "love is everything" drama, come back to reality.

Money = Quality, you pay for what you get. Money = Security, you dont have to worry you have no house, no car, and no girls. Be proud.

Do you think a rich guy, will let himself turn into a poor guy ? No ! Unless he have no planning at all. There's maybe  only 1 out of 1000.

Rich people do commit suicide. True.
But poor people do so much more frequently

Rich people are not necessarily in love with their partner. True.
...but the same argument applies to poor people.

Ultimately fewer rich people remain single for long, and those that do get married are less likely to divorce (Being poor is a potent risk factor for divorce). Talk all you want about how money doesnt matter... The facts prove otherwise.

once again, i'd still say true love > money because when both boy and girl truly loves one another, both of them will strive to make things happen.

with that, they will work hard, smart and the money will come rolling in. bonus.

lost in england lol 
Yeah, it's kinda difficult to change from a girl to a guy. Guy to girl - surgery is easy.. THe other way round it's not the same...

hehehe no need put ur statment ler, see ur face oso know u r moneyface type.   

ps: btw that lala blonde color doesn't suit you. it makes you look old and looks lala a bit....   

I think blonde hair is siutable for moorish's skin tone. gives her that high fashion look. ok now i really dont know what im talking about.

See...this is just another thread to emphasis the obvious. Awesome!

Right. I shall now attempt (foolishly, probably) to put in the last word on this debate.

The phrase "money-minded" seems to be a particularly loaded one for both men and women. Men find it offensive, and use the term as an insult. Women, in turn, are offended when the term is used insultingly. Clearly, it means different things to both men and women.

What it means to women - we shall refer to this as Definition A:
- Girls who are attracted to smart, successful, independent men with bright futures.
- Girls who want the security - both financial and emotional - of being with such a man.
- Girls who dislike unmotivated, directionless men who can't hold down a job.

Now, what it means to men, is the following Definition B:
- Girls who judge men by the car they drive.
- Girls who demand that men spend on them beyond their means - nicer dates, more expensive presents, more spending money.
- Girls who value expensive clothes, jewellery and supplementary credit cards over love and affection.

In fact, here's an analogy. Let's say someone starts a thread titled "Guys are sex-minded... and proud of it". The TS goes on to say how it's men's nature to go after sexy women - and if you're fat, don't wear makeup, don't wear revealing clothes and don't know how to giggle like a Japanese schoolgirl, you're simply losers in the game of love.

Wouldn't you, as a woman, be offended by that? That's how men tend to feel, whenever this "money-minded" topic crops up.

"Guys are sex-minded... and proud of it"

There is a man who has three girlfriends, but he does not know which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it. The first one goes out and gets a total makeover with the money. She gets new clothes, a new hairdo, manicure, pedicure, the works, and tells the man, "I spent the money so I could look pretty for you because I love you so much." The second one went out and bought new golf clubs, a CD player, a television, and a stereo and gives them to the man. She says, "I bought these gifts for you with the money because I love you so much." The third one takes the $5000 and invests it in the stock market, doubles her investment, returns the $5000 to the man and reinvests the rest. She says, "I am investing the rest of the money for our future because I love you so much." The man thought long and hard about how each of the women spent the money, and decided to marry the one with the biggest breasts.

hatever happened to making yourself look good so that you feel good about yourself? Is attracting men the only reason? I exercise, because being healthy gives me confidence and self-assurance. If a girl finds me attractive because of that, that's just a bonus - it is not the end to which exercising is the means. Same reason why I dress well, wear deodorant, comb my hair every morning - or, for that matter, why I work hard at my job.

sure or not 1st?

oh ok! but ru a money minded person?

Women are indeed more independant these days. Like you I think that the thread title is an inaccurate conclusion. Is isn't about moneym, it's about security and the cold hard fact is that money helps give someone security. Of course there are other contributors like responsibility, maturity and so on. Aren't most men money minded though? If we worked purely for a sense of achievement, why not do it at minimum wage?

Therein lies the point.

If one wishes for more money, earn it yourself then by being a productive worker. 

Plenty of people do that.

well, that is your belief.

mine is the other way round.

爱情是伟大的!
love is great!

love gives you everything...including money!

depends on how you look at it though.

love but both boy and girl slack off no put in effort to make money obviously is not going to work. :

a better example would be:

boy and girl in love, tengah pak tor
boy has a goal in mind, works smart and hard to achieve it.
the girl's true love towards the boy is a strong force driving the boy to excel.
girl is not money digger and also works well on her end.
both achieve financial freedom.
happily ever after
however, i strongly feel that many lyn forum members are unable to accept the above concept?