WITH FACTS, WE CAN THEN SHOW IT TO THE CHAMBER PRESIDENT THAT WE NEED THEIR LEADERSHIP TO HELP US TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE GOVT.

WITH DL CONNECTIONS, IT IS NOT DIFFICULT TO HAVE MOST OF THE BN ASSOCIATIONS TO AGREE TO JOIN THE CHINESE CHAMBER WHERE WE CAN SET UP A NEW WING INSIDE THE CHINESE CHAMBER ASSOCIATION TO REPRESENT ALL MALAYSIAN FARMERS IN ALL FEDERAL ISSUES WHILE THE LOCAL BN ASSOCIATIONS CAN SETTLE THE LOCAL ISSUES ON THEIR OWN.

AND ONLY BY THIS METHOD THAT WE CAN STOP THOSE FEW BN SDN BHD FROM CONTINUE WITH THEIR HIDDEN AGENDA.

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Added on May 26, 2009, 11:29 amTHE CAVIAR OF THE EAST © Duncan Graham 2006

When Achmad Basuni and his wife Siti Mariah were building their new house in 2000 great good fortune swiftly flew in the window.

Literally.

A pair of swallows darted into the half finished kitchen and cast knowing eyes around the walls and rafters. Like all astute real estate buyers they knew exactly what they wanted: Security, space, a cool atmosphere, friendly co-tenants and easy access.

Any Westerner who found feathered ferals moving into their kitchen would probably call a pest exterminator, but this couple rejoiced. “It’s a blessing from God,” said Achmad who runs a motorbike workshop. Commented Siti: “I felt pity on them. I didn’t want them disturbed. So we just stopped building there.”

The kitchen was given over to the visitors and the home rapidly re-designed. When the swallows laid their first clutch Achmad substituted a pair of swiftlets’ eggs bought for Rp 60,000 (US $ 7)

Swiftlets have dark plumage. They’re closely related to swallows and slightly smaller. In flight they look sickle-shaped. Swallows are migratory and move between continents and hemispheres. Swiftlets live only in the tropics and usually nest in caves.

Unlike their bigger and better travelled cousins swiftlets build quite different homes; their nests are edible, keenly sought and highly prized: They’re the raw material for the Chinese dish Bird’s Nest Soup – also known as the Caviar of the East.

Depending on the quality and season a kilo of swiftlets’ nests (that’s around 100) can fetch around Rp 10 million (US $1,150) at the barn door.

News about the swallows’ selection flew rapidly round the couple’s village of Jeru, about 20 kilometres west of Malang in East Java. Soon a stranger was knocking with a startling offer: He’d buy their house for Rp 300 million (US $34,000), double its market value.

No sale. Achmad and Siti knew that if their unwanted bidder was prepared to pay that much cash it must be worth a lot more to them.

There are now more than 40 birds flashing in and out of their selected home through small holes set high in the four metre walls. After daybreak the birds zip across to Balekambang Beach on the south coast where the flying insects they catch on the wing are most prolific. The birds return at nightfall, a round trip of about 160 kilometres.

There are a few other lucky folk in Jeru. You can pick their bird barns by the flat grey windowless concrete walls. The giveaway features are small entrance and exit holes, about the size of two bricks.

Some families rejected by the birds find their neighbours’ good luck difficult to swallow. “The big problem is thieves after nests and eggs,” said Achmad. “One farm spends Rp 2.5 million a month on security, five times the normal rate for guards.

“Others visit paranormals to persuade the birds to relocate. I know someone whose house has been abandoned three times by swiftlets after black magic has been applied. But the birds eventually came back.

“I don’t know why we were chosen. We’re just ordinary Muslims, certainly not fanatic about faith.”

Those more pragmatic than psychic are said to be using recorded sounds of swiftlets broadcast through speaker systems to entice passing birds to enter their barn. The birds emit clicks to guide them, a system known as echolocation.

Nests are harvested every three or four months after the chicks have flown. A pair of swiftlets can raise two or three broods a year. Buyers from Surabaya do the rounds of the roosts and take the nests for processing.

Environmentalists are concerned that nest harvesting isn’t always well managed. Greedy gatherers who take nests before the chicks take wing are threatening the species.

(sidebar)

SWIFTS’ SPITTLE

Swiftlet nests are made from the birds’ saliva produced by glands under the tongue. The nests’ edible qualities have been known for at least 700 years. What’s not known is how the discovery was made and why anyone would think a dirty nest could make a tasty dish.

Our ancestors must have choked on a lot of sticks encrusted with dung and vomited feathers and broken eggs before they found an edible variety.

The stratospheric price means bird’s nest soup is a food only for the mega rich. Few restaurants in Surabaya have it on their menu. Those who do can charge up to Rp 2 million a bowl (US $225).

For this sort of money diners want more than a lip-smacking experience. So it’s no surprise the nests are supposed to possess extraordinary characteristics from improving skin tone to warding off tuberculosis, curing consumption, dysentery, malaria … the list has no full stop. And, of course, enhancing sexual performance.

These claims are unlikely to be denied by anyone whose credit card has just melted on the restaurant cashier’s swipe machine. The catch is that the real or imagined benefits don’t come with just one big banquet to celebrate the commercial coup. Promoters say a regular diet of 10 grams a day is necessary.

The cooking process is critical. A microwaved or boiled nest will be nutrition-free. Best to steam slowly after soaking which expands the nest. The taste is said to be sweet, more like a dessert.

Surabaya distributor Dendy Van Hallen said the best nests came from bird barns in Java. These nests were usually clean and glossy, almost transparent. Cave nests from Papua and other outlying regions were often contaminated by feathers and dirt and worth only Rp 1 million a kilo (US $114).

“I send to restaurants on demand,” he said. “Most ask diners for a week’s notice so they can prepare ahead – it’s not a dish you can order on the spot. The bulk of our nests go to Jakarta.

“We do little preparatory work in Surabaya – cleaning up the nest is done in the restaurant where they soak and remove impurities.”

If you’d like to make your own soup at home a Malaysian company sells boxes of six tiny jars for Rp 200,000 (US $ 23). Each jar has an off-white jelly which the label says is made from birds’ nests, ginseng, sugar and ‘white fungug’.

Indonesia produces 80 per cent of the world’s edible birds’ nests. Most come from West Java and are exported to Hong Kong, Holland, Singapore and Taiwan. The last official published figures show Indonesia’s annual production around 27 tonnes. That’s a lot of swiftlet spit.

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(First published in Jakarta Kini, August 2006)

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Added on May 26, 2009, 11:38 am" The ex-situ conservation
measures proposed includes providing special
houses in which the Edible-nest Swiftlet will
breed, thereby significantly building up
populations in these islands, and providing an
alternate source of livelihood for nest
collectors, farmers, and poorer sections of the
community as well as forming an important
source of revenue for the islands."


http://www.envfor.nic.in/divisions/csurv/a...port_E_2008.pdf

Page 18 ~ 19.

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Added on May 26, 2009, 11:48 am"2. Commercial Species

i. Edible-nest Swiftlet


Research in collaboration with local authorities on cave swiftlet houses was done to identify their abundance and distribution all over Peninsular Malaysia. Research on nutrient contents of the swiftlets' nests are being carried out in collaboration with the Institute of Medical Research (IMR). The main objective is to identify the differences in nutrient contents of the birds' nest from samples taken from Bentong, Pahang; Bandar Hilir, Melaka; and Kuala Krai, Kelantan. "

http://www.wildlife.gov.my/webpagev4_en/bh...Konservasi.html

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Added on May 26, 2009, 11:56 am"

a) edible-nest swiftlets are widespread and abundant with no immediate conservation risk;

"


http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/11/doc/11_01.pdf

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Added on May 26, 2009, 12:07 pmEdible nest swiftlets are widespread and abundant
across their historical range. Their aggregate populations
are estimated as tens of millions, based on current
yields from nest harvesting. Despite documented
declines in some cave populations, there is no immediate
conservation risk.

http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/10/doc/E10-50.pdf

Page 1

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Added on May 26, 2009, 12:08 pm" They wished to emphasize that the Committee was recommending repeal of Resolution Conf. 9.15 on conservation of edible-nest swiftlets of the genus Collocalia
because the Resolution had been extremely successful and was therefore no longer required. "


http://www.cites.org/eng/cop/11/other/Plen.pdf


Page 6

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Added on May 26, 2009, 12:10 pmLink to cites reports :

http://www.googlesyndicatedsearch.com/u/ci...ts&start=0&sa=N



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Added on May 26, 2009, 1:24 pm" This species has a large range, with an estimated global Extent of Occurrence of 100,000-1,000,000 km². The global population size has not been quantified, but it is believed to be large as the species is described as 'abundant' in at least parts of its range (del Hoyo et al. 1999). Global population trends have not been quantified; there is evidence of a population decline (del Hoyo et al. 1999), but the species is not believed to approach the thresholds for the population decline criterion of the IUCN Red List (i.e. declining more than 30% in ten years or three generations). For these reasons, the species is evaluated as Least Concern. "


http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/142760/0

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Added on May 26, 2009, 1:32 pmLC = Least Concern

Defination :

LEAST CONCERN (LC)
A taxon is Least Concern when it has been evaluated against the criteria and does not qualify for Critically Endangered, Endangered, Vulnerable or Near Threatened. Widespread and abundant taxa are included in this category.

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Added on May 26, 2009, 1:33 pm
Defination Of Endangered Species :

ENDANGERED (EN)

A taxon is Endangered when the best available evidence indicates that it meets any of the following criteria (A to E), and it is therefore considered to be facing a very high risk of extinction in the wild:

A. Reduction in population size based on any of the following:

1. An observed, estimated, inferred or suspected population size reduction of ≥ 70% over the last 10 years or three generations, whichever is the longer, where the causes of the reduction are clearly reversible AND understood AND ceased, based on (and specifying) any of the following:

(a) direct observation

(b) an index of abundance appropriate to the taxon

© a decline in area of occupancy, extent of occurrence and/or quality of habitat

(d) actual or potential levels of exploitation

(e) the effects of introduced taxa, hybridization, pathogens, pollutants, competitors or parasites.

2. An observed, estimated, inferred or suspected population size reduction of ≥ 50% over the last 10 years or three generations, whichever is the longer, where the reduction or its causes may not have ceased OR may not be understood OR may not be reversible, based on (and specifying) any of (a) to (e) under A1.

3. A population size reduction of ≥nbsp;50%, projected or suspected to be met within the next 10 years or three generations, whichever is the longer (up to a maximum of 100 years), based on (and specifying) any of (b) to (e) under A1.

4. An observed, estimated, inferred, projected or suspected population size reduction of ≥ 50% over any 10 year or three generation period, whichever is longer (up to a maximum of 100 years in the future), where the time period must include both the past and the future, and where the reduction or its causes may not have ceased OR may not be understood OR may not be reversible, based on (and specifying) any of (a) to (e) under A1.

B. Geographic range in the form of either B1 (extent of occurrence) OR B2 (area of occupancy) OR both:

1. Extent of occurrence estimated to be less than 5000 km2, and estimates indicating at least two of a-c:

a. Severely fragmented or known to exist at no more than five locations.

b. Continuing decline, observed, inferred or projected, in any of the following:

(i) extent of occurrence

(ii) area of occupancy

(iii) area, extent and/or quality of habitat

(iv) number of locations or subpopulations

(v) number of mature individuals.

c. Extreme fluctuations in any of the following:

(i) extent of occurrence

(ii) area of occupancy

(iii) number of locations or subpopulations

(iv) number of mature individuals.

2. Area of occupancy estimated to be less than 500 km2, and estimates indicating at least two of a-c:

a. Severely fragmented or known to exist at no more than five locations.

b. Continuing decline, observed, inferred or projected, in any of the following:

(i) extent of occurrence

(ii) area of occupancy

(iii) area, extent and/or quality of habitat

(iv) number of locations or subpopulations

(v) number of mature individuals.

c. Extreme fluctuations in any of the following:

(i) extent of occurrence

(ii) area of occupancy

(iii) number of locations or subpopulations

(iv) number of mature individuals.

C. Population size estimated to number fewer than 2500 mature individuals and either:

1. An estimated continuing decline of at least 20% within five years or two generations, whichever is longer, (up to a maximum of 100 years in the future) OR

2. A continuing decline, observed, projected, or inferred, in numbers of mature individuals AND at least one of the following (a-b):

(a) Population structure in the form of one of the following:

(i) no subpopulation estimated to contain more than 250 mature individuals, OR

(ii) at least 95% of mature individuals in one subpopulation.

(b) Extreme fluctuations in number of mature individuals.

D. Population size estimated to number fewer than 250 mature individuals.

E. Quantitative analysis showing the probability of extinction in the wild is at least 20% within 20 years or five generations, whichever is the longer (up to a maximum of 100 years).

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Added on May 26, 2009, 1:40 pmLASTLY,

SOME TALK K,


SINCE THE CRITERIA FOR ENDANGERED SPECIE IS WITHIN 500KM2, THE POPULATION OF MATURE SWIFTLETS MUST LESS THAN 2500...


SO, I SUGGEST THAT THOSE IDIOTS GO TO JOHN CHEN FARM IN SITIAWAN WHERE IT IS SITUATED MAIN ROAD WITH THREE LINK SHOPS AND COUNT

HOW MANY SWIFTLETS RESIDED THERE DURING THE NIGHT !!!!


OR


GO TO DATUK MAH FARM IN SUNGAI PETANI, AND I MEAN ONE OF THEM ENOUGH LOH AND COUNT HOW MANY MATURE SWIFTLETS RESIDED IN HIS FARM,


ENDANGERED???......DIAO NEI !!..


SWIFTLET IS NOT AN ENDANGERED SPECIE, BUT THOSE IDIOTS WHO LIST THEM AS ENDANGERED ARE INDEED


THE ENDANGERED SPECIE LAH!!!.....IDIOTS!!!....



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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 26 2009, 06:49 PM

Please dont get me wrong,

We do know that they are both bumi n non-bumi that involves in this industry.

But, The Majority is still Chinese.

For Malay, we have GEM which are the gem of malay farmers representative to help all malaysian farmers to negotiate with the govt.

There is also one Bumi Swiftlet Association in KT which is also lead by a young good hearted bumi friend. With his relatives connection, i am sure they too can assist all malaysian farmers.

But, it is the chinese associations in malaysia that are still liked `San Sah'....too many BN Sdn bhd...

Unless we unite in an established, strong Chinese association which in this case the Chinese Chamber Association is our only option, we will be massacred in the near future.

But it is very difficult to unite all the bn associations when all the presidents n committee members are so in love with their positions n status in the associations as they will worried that their positions will be taken over by more caliber candidates within the established chinese chamber association !!!...

Thats why we need to calm them down and explain to them that their positions in the bn association will not be affected as we still needs their helps to deal with local issues. And it is for their own good to join chinese chamber association where the president n their team of caliber members that are more well connected with the political front to assist them with all federal issues.


TO roll the ball, we need to have a group of existing bn associations to officially join the chinese chamber association and if we can unite at least 80% of all bn associations into the chinese chamber asso., we can then set up a new wing within the chinese chamber association to act as the national BN association in malaysia.

Thats the only option.

don't waste ur time n ur future in thinking of 1Swiftlets!!.... we belum sampai tahap itu lah..

sendiri belum dapat `Unite' sudah mau `Unite' semua bangsa ke?? fikir baik baik lah....

after we managed to unite then we can talk abt 1Swiftlets.....


If my posts offended anyone here then GOOD!!!..

This post has been edited by ChanK: May 26 2009, 06:46 PM

VERY VERY SAD INDEED.

AS EXPECTED, MOST OF THOSE ..WELL BETTER NOT SO STRAIGHT HERE..

ARE ALL ALREADY KOW TOW TO THEIR MASTER.

YOU MUST NOT STAND WHEN THEY ASK YOU TO SIT.

YOU MUST NOT EAT WHEN THEY ASK YOU TO DRINK.


SAD BUT TRUE.

ALWAYS REMEMBER ONE THING.

IT IS YOU, NOT ANYONE, NOT OUR PM, NOT MAHiTIR, NOT MUmIDDIN.

BUT YOU WHO MAKE OTHERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU AS YOU ARE WAY TO CHICKEN TO FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN RIGHT.



FOR THOSE OFFICERS WHO READ MY POSTS N ANGERED...DONT BE, THE BIGGEST IDIOTS ARE THOSE WHO AGREED WITH WHAT U DO N DONT QUESTIONED IT AT ALL N DON'T EVEN DARES TO QUESTION .....WELL...

GOT LAH...GOT QUESTIONED, OUR SELANGOR BN ASSOCIATION DID ASKED FOR A REDUCTION OF THE TAX AMOUNT AND THEY ARE SO PROUD OF IT!!!!.....oh gosh....

WELL,


I SHOULD ENDS HERE, APOLOGISE FOR POSTING "OUT OF TOPIC" POSTS HERE..


GO BACK TO THE WONDERLAND, AND TALK MORE ABOUT HOW TO ATTRACT MORE BIRDS !!!...



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This post has been edited by ChanK: May 28 2009, 07:43 AM

Lucas,

NOT THAT THEY DONT WANT, THEY WORRY, WIN OR LOST, AT THE END, THEY WILL NEED TO FACE TO CONSEQUENCES AFTER THAT...

UNLESS THEY PREPARES TO MOVE TO OTHER COUNTRY,THEN MAYBE CAN LAH..

THATS WHY PREVIOUS ATTEMPT NO FARMERS DARES TO SUBMIT NAME!!...

WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT THEM??

GREETING SALAM OR EVEN CHANGE TO THEIR RELIGIOUS WILL NOT HELP !!!! .....

SO, HOW??
..

Another Industry :

BH Farming Industry in Sarawak !!....haha....since u never mentioned where mah..maybe the young friend from peninsular!..


No joke, Go Sarawak if you want to becomes the next multi-millionaires and build your farms there before it is too late.

Birds there are looking for places to stay !!!.......build n wait only loh.

Move your butt to Sarawak, and just sit there and goyang kaki and becomes Local King !!!....

But u must chart hai a bit lah!!!..else, white hair will after u want...

no need to greet salam to him, just pay his kaki some pocket money loh!!...

The nests there are white and heavy!!!....


ai ya....why still looking for other industry after you have step into a virtually free trade gold mines??


Since Peninsular malaysia already too many farms....Go Sarawak!!!!.........





Some more u can build a farm in 23 days!!!......at rm23 per sq ft!!!....

How??


Use hard wood ( with strength equivalent to steel!!!) as column, as beam, as floor slab!!!....

Thats how you can build it fast and cheap!!....don't be surprise...u can build even more cheaper than this rate....


but becareful with using those light weight block loh......u will know what i mean in one year or two years time.....

but then, when birds are aplenty!!!...who cares!!!......



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GEM,

You are the Best le!!!......i pun tak sempat balik tengok tv...nasib baik kawan baik hati ini rekod utk kita semua!!..

Terima Kasih.

Lol.....see the birds or not.....Lau Hau Shui liao!!....


If can book ticket, then should depart now to Sarawak....
if cannot book ticket, then should just swim over there!!!....


Agarwood.....wau.....lau hau shui liao....

7 years can get 1.5 million per acre ahh???

wah...no need to work liao!!!!.....plant 10 acres then within 10 years can get 15 millions liao!!!....


sure or not???......7 years???.....betul ke nih???

do some research...

ai yo...kuching farmer...u tell too much le....no wonder USD now drop so low...hehe...

diy aroma,hmm....

how about swiftlet's eggs....i know the supply is a lot this season.

those who enter the farm this past week know what i mean...

celaka.....kosong plastic bag masuk...kurang dari separuh je.....

hai.....uncle.....cannot do lah.....no heart to do it...... i cannot do big business lah......liked brother k said....it is just liked chicken egg!!...don't u tell me u dont eat chicken egg??..

but...it is still different........

go back to the topic,

if u can get hold of swiftlets eggs....use it as aroma...that alone....is more effective than any aroma u can find!!!...

WANT TO SET UP A SWIFTLET'S EGG FORUM TO DISCUSS ABOUT IT??






HA HA HA HA....ANY "SOH H" want to join....hahahaha.....joking le...

100 birds in one month .....










lau hau shui liao.......




much stronger aroma??...have....will let u all know when u come to jakarta this aug....


tell u while `Yum Sing' in the louge.....




see.....why you all still wait??.....Lim chan koon showed you where the swiftlet's population in sarawak....why u still sit there liked Soh Loh in peninsular and still waiting for birds to enter your farm??.....


Aroma.....can help...but location help most.....


Swim...my friends....Swim!!!!!......



today so free.....guess had enough to makan this month, can take a good rest liao!!!....



aii....now only 3 of june err.......ai ya......what to do with the rest one month???

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 3 2009, 09:43 PM

Test 10 birds come with stress sound....n 100 birds in one month.....










don't be surprise brother....


they are those farmers from peninsular test stress sound and have 1000 birds come n play.....

and their farms still only 20 nests after one year.....





so, why liked that??



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Sudah pasti lah...don't be surprise lah...

In malaysia, we have no system.

Our system is not liked private sector, so they just do what they want....each kepala idea different...

Look at your neighbourhood!!....

A new paved road is been excavate to fix the pipe, then they paved the road again!!....

A new lamp post line is been install, next month, another dept come to extend the width of road....And they are now starting to dismantle and realign the lamp post again!!...


If the idiot had do some homework liked getting advice from the dept in charge of swiftlet industry, that we already have guidelines to reduce and eliminate all the complaints which are 99% due to noise, he will not be come out n talk nonsense again!!...

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Added on June 5, 2009, 7:51 pmit is ok...everyone knows what are the common ingredients in aroma,

No one aroma is the best, it is more of your own preference,

U liked more bird's nest, put more loh!!...

U liked more fish oil, put more loh!!!......

U liked more sea cocunut, put more loh!!!...

U liked more eggs, put more loh!!!......




It is no surprise whether your farms is not performing as good as u thought nowadays.....all of u are only catching other peoples young chics....

u can wait, then wait loh!!!....

U can't wait, then swim to sarawak loh!!!....as most likedly a lot of virgin area, u are attracting cave swiftlets to stay in your farm!!!.......


When come to a stage, it is not skills nor luck that count......

but good luck will bring you to a place where u can attract birds easily......

Bad luck will bring u to a place where even with thousand of birds, u only attract few that stay!!.....


not only the skill or technic of building farm...

it is the technic of u choosing a suitable place to build yr farm!!....that count the most...

My opinion : 50% - Choosing the right place ( this is most likedly luck too, without luck, u can't find the opportunity to buy the land or shop at the right time!!)

25% - Design ( internal wise we can do anything, but when come to external where we place the inlet hole n etc...we need some luck too!!!...as sometimes we cant do 100% what we want especially when we design farm in shop!).

25% - Luck to find the right person to do yr farm, and turn on the right sound tracks to attract birds. ( failing to do it first time right will destine ur farm will be slowed !!..)


that of course come from my minimal knowledge.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 5 2009, 09:11 PM

hmm...

that proved my point indeed.

whether 95 to 5 or 5 to 95, makes no different.

harvesting 3 to 4kg or 30 to 40kg or 300kg to 400kg does not prove anything.

and harvesting 30g to 40g a month does not mean that u know nothing about swiftlet farming..in fact, those who has failed farm learned more than those who own successful farm as they constantly seek solutions to revive their farm (except those d*** head who think extra to move the bird though).


Asking a monk who will protect u when the world end, the monk will said `The God'.

Asking a consultant what is the most important factor in determining a farm success, the consultant will said ` Technique!!'.

Asking a gambler what is the most important factor to win a bet, the gambler will said `Luck!!!'.

Asking a guy who constructed/renovated/revived numerous farms what is the most important factor to a successful farm, the guy will tell u, both luck and techniques , but luck do play an important rules. As even if u are 100% correct techniques, there are sometimes it will not quarantee u success!!...

So, what is the difference? well...if techniques is your favor, go for it!!...

if luck is your fovor, go for it!!!...


The only difference is if luck play an important rule in this industry, no one will pay u money to do it ....



My minimal knowledge. ^ ^

Good luck, thats what we always said before we turn on the sound.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 6 2009, 10:41 AM

hmm...

that basically sum it up..

Shut the f*** up!!.....U all will be chase out and closed shop, so don't be a d*** head, u are nothing but a `Ko Kai Lou Shu !!' ...

well, one person pain is another person joy.

Those involves in this industry long enough already know and experience all this for all these years don't we?.

the national guidelines is just a guideline, it does not guarantee all states will follow. They can still reason why they can't implement it in their own state.

We know kedah is safe.

and we do know johor state will not give a damn of the national guidelines as the MB all the while is anti farmer in town.

Heard from my friend that in Rembau, Majlis allowed apply license for all as long as u attend the GAHP and is a member of local BN association.
This is heart warming..

haha....human being, still a human being don't we. Do whatever to cover it still a human being..hmm... seeing too many in this industry.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 7 2009, 10:25 AM

Wong,

don't proceed.Think twice.

I know the area, the majlis there make a hell lot of trouble to existing owners there.

In terms of population, not worth it investing additional sum there.

Don't even cares to ask consultant to test sound there, as u will for sure have few hundreds birds playing there.

Go to a place near to TNB shop, go there during morning time around 8am, without sound, looking at all the birds will make u `lau hau shui'.

those that established, have been patronize by thiefs for so many times, and funny things, they still think alarm will scare the birds away instead of thief...

The result if u do it few years ago, u can easily attract at least 100 birds a year. but the population grow is a pity as it is ,to my standard, slow.

Security wise, a nightmare.

I always pity those investors who bought the shops there, it is now only worth less than rm250k.


Honestly, the only solution to revive it is by converting it into farm and just sell it when nests count increase and hopefully recover back your capital which is most likedly at RM600k, thats the selling price if u bought it when it launch time.

With the vicinity of this area to KL, u can easily find investors to sapu it instantly. But with the local dept sabotage and harassing...u will not find a buyer to sell it.

So, think twice. if u really want to do it, just convert one floor and see the result yourself.

Open roof is your only solution, don't make all farmers there suffer by open window type, u will not want to face nilai officers.....

need more helps, can always find it here.

THINK TWICE!!!....

aLSO, the place have at least 50 existing farms few years ago, it could be more by now, so, you are only attracting young chics,

don't expect too much !!.....




I once heard a friend told me that a renowned feng shui sifu did a survey in that area and what he said is,

it is a very very good place if u use it as a cemetary as anyone with their ancestors bury there will benefit the future generation.

But for business, it will be doom.



Do not wish to see any more newbies bang their head anymore.

Thats all i wish to do.

Thats all i can do even if i angered anyone here.

Those that have involves in this industry for over 5 years and own established farms, we are less affected as we might painfully said that we lost less compare to newbies who only just started and still need to pay monthly installments to bank.


and of course, don't just listen to me, as i am INEXPERIENCED AS i only attended one seminar so far!!...


haha...just have a good laugh out of it.


See, i only attended one seminar already owned established farms, what are u waiting for?? register loh!!!..
But seriously, if u are newbies, do attend.

We don't image ourselves as the God!!...

We are only human being, nothing special.

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Added on June 7, 2009, 9:28 pmai ya....

rugi liao...

i sold mine rm4100 only....but still a better day than few months ago.

Seems liked there is a high demand this month...hmm....i thought someone told me this season is THe

June Tsunami where all production countries are harvesting kau kau and bn price will drop few hundreds??...

kena tipu again...haha....

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 7 2009, 10:23 PM

my my...

This forum is more swiftlets friendly than i thought!!...

which is both good and bad.

but, thats what the forum mean to be, give you the pro n con and at the end, u have to decide whether u want to bang head or just sit tight!!..haha...


it is of much interest that they said they want to whiten the swiftlets industry from town by some parties.

How should we argue that??

well, reading the expert analysis that swiftlets do fly quite far when food is scarce and flying 100km back n fort to look for insects are quite norm this day.

so, if those parties wants to proceed with those idiotic idea!!....

Then they should not allowed any swiftlets farming activities within 200km from any town !!!...but that too is not that safe, don't we??

how about 400km radius as buffer zone, and if they see even one swiftlet fly over the town, they can shoot them down!!!....

Thats how u should whiten the industry!!....

Or better still, 1Malaysia do not need swiftlet farming industry to survive!!!..

We still got plenty of oil Reserve!!!!......banyak nenek moyang money belum habis pakai lagi!!!...apa takut!!!....


well, sai hei to talk to a bunch of so hai!!!..


bye.

This time i need help.

1)Anyone here fr kuantan can tell me the estimate of farm house in kuantan town?

2) Any license been issued and where?

3) What guidelines been followed for the previous license issued ?

thks.

Just got news another breakin in our neighbourhood....

It turn out a local resident son did it together with a foreigner.

Luckily, most of the farms are equips with alarm, they used a long ladder and climb up to the 2 storey farm and when they enter the farm, the alarm trigger...

They are so stupid that they still continue even with the alarm is on!!!...

We then rush to the place around 4am and alert the police and we then enter the farm and search around the roof top, and saw them hiding on sides of roof top.

This is very very typical...

THERE ARE ALWAYS STUPID THEIFS THAT WANT TO STEAL BIRD'S NEST!!

THEY ARE INEXPERIENCED!!! AND SOME ARE EXPERT!!



I always find peoples advising others not to worry about security when u just started the farm which i find amusing ( don't worry u are not the first...99% still think the same liked u !!)...

spending RM300,0000 in an investment....and want to kiam the RM3,000???

Are u all nuts????....really want to bang yr head if i got the chances... ( NOT U UNCLE,,,I DONT DARE TO BANG YR HEAD..U TREAT ME SOONG HOCK FISH...SO GOOD!!..... ).


Stupid Thief do not only think about bird's nest!!! they also go in to sapu all your equipments!!!

Stupid Thief do not have the experience to know whether your farm have bird's nest or not!!!

Stupid Thief enter ur farm n found no nest and they still go into yr farm after few days to hang out, this do happen!!!!...



In this incidence, the local hardware shop owner son told the police this is the first time he steal bird's nest....



swift4ever,

if u have a chance to monitor 70% of farms in a particular town, u will understand what i said about Techniques n all those stuffs.....

No techiques guaranteed u success....
same techniques different result do happen....

No sound guaranteed u success....
same sound different result do happen......

same time, same design, same sound..different result do happened....


THIS INDUSTRY WILL BECOMES MATURE WHEN ALL FARMERS CAN STOP THINKING THAT.....

WHO'S WHO BUILD FARMS ARE ALL VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE HE DO THE DESIGN!!!....

it is not `Who' that matter.....it is `It' that matter.....

it is not `Who' Design is the best or suresuccess ...... it is `It'...

If someone told u all his farms or those that he design are all success....that he is just telling a big ` Bull shit' in front of u...or in this case, `Bird Shit'....

I have never met anyone that have 100% success rate in this world except those who own only one farm........

others including me do have failures cases.....it is whether you want to admit or not........


ai ya....break all of merry dreams and hopes liao....thats the true swiftlet world my friends......


Don't have a clue about what i said??

Thats fine.....


`AHHH.......got new idea......can set up a new blog ....named ` SwiftletUncensored ' !!!......oh seah.....sure becomes millionaire blogger this time !!!!...


why the name so familiar???...........




what is my schedules today??.....diao......have to go to all the farms and check out from outside...just to have a good night sleep tonight......


see...who said build more farms is good for u!!!....

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 09:03 AM

ahh....now can sleep sound liao..tomorrow needs to drive long hour to K.

haha..forgot to add one more type of thief :

Stupid thief went into the farm and harvest all the nests and come back two weeks later to harvest all nests bases.......

HAHAHAHA........ ` Ze mei!!! '......


Just got back from one farm and found one of my neighbour farm got break in few days ago,

the thiefs force open the farm and steal all the equipments as the farm still new.....actually just want to gives him face a bit lah...already 6 months but inside still `Kosong'.

His farm already been break in almost 2 times so far !!!....ask him, why u dont install alarm???

` Why??...spend the few thousands for nothing?? '

see......hard cock die hard !!......the head all so hard...

Then another guy relate his farm experience that his farm too been break in two months ago, i asked him,

why never install alarm?..

He said, Got!!...but fake one lah...

????.....WHy??

He said, So Expensive!!! ....u know the guy quote me RM3200 to fix the whole system!!!!.....very expensive lah!!!...

?????.......

Talk about Guano, do you know that in vietnam, farmers purposely farm bats to harvest their guano???

The guano are so highly sought after by fruit farm owners that they always Out of Stock!!!...

From my own experiment in my Dragon Fruit PLANTATION....DIAO....since forum no one knows mah....just talk K a bit lah....actually testing is done in my own front house and tested in ONE dragon Fruit Plant...

but man.....u not going to believe it.....the fruits are Soooooooooo sweet..........OMG!!!....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjuq5SAtrKE


just in case u can't see it here, the above is a link to UK site where they harvest bat guano and process it as Organic Fertilizer....


another video.....Bat Guano Tea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pll8i0tmVrc&feature=related


So, when are we going to have our own processing plant to process our guano and export it to UK??


sadly, the GAHP guidelines mentioned that all guona needs to be dispose according to DOE requirements...which mean as schedule waste...

to the landfill??...or nooo.....wasted...


Something abt SHITS!!!!



GUANO

Cave guano is the droppings of bats and swiftlets that accumulate on the floor of caves. The word guano comes from a Spanish word and was first used to define excrement from certain sea birds that had value to humans as a fertilizer. Now the word is also used to include the excrement of bats and swiftlets. Today guano is harvested from many caves in SE Asia, the USA, Cuba and S.America. It is a free source of nutrient rich fertilizer.

Cave guano is rich in nutrients as inside the cave there is no sunlight, wind or rain, and so the components don't break down as quickly as they would outside. As it is rich in nitrogen and phosphates, it is good for crops.

In caves with large populations of bats or swiftlets, the resulting guano piles can be many metres deep. The largest mound I have seen is in Gomantong Cave and was made famous by David Attenborough in the BBC film Caves in the Planet Earth series.

When manmade chemical fertilizers became readily available, guano was used less. However it has now regained its popularity as an organic fertilizer. There are many sites on the internet selling guano. But the indiscriminate harvesting of cave guano can upset the ecology of the caves, as the guano supports the whole cave food chain, and is home to many invertebrate species.

In Niah Caves, Sarawak, it is estimated that birds and bats have been producing guano for at least 100,000 years, and that 7-9m depth of guano has accumulated over that time. In fact this guano probably helped to preserve the famous ~40,000 year old human skull found in Niah. The thick sequences of guano have helped preserve many of the archaeological finds. At Niah the collecting of guano is allowed.

Today scientists are turning their attention to guano for other reasons. It is a source of palaeoenvironmental remains on glacial - interglacial timescales. This guano is now being studied to determine climatic changes over the past 10,000, even maybe 30,000 years. See dating cave samples


http://www.cavesofmalaysia.com/photopage10.htm




Although the word 'guano' is used to refer to both bat and seagull dung, and is defined in the dictionary that way, it originally came from the Quichua language of the Inca civilization and means 'the droppings of sea birds'.

Guano begins its 'life' as living plants. Eaten by insects that are eaten and digested by bats, or fish that are eaten and digested by birds, it is deposited on the floors of caves and on rocks. Add some carcasses, feathers, eggshells, sand and some beetles and microbes to process the waste and what's left is one of nature's best fertilisers.

The Value of Guano

The Incas used to collect guano from the coast of Peru and use it as a soil enricher. They treated the guano as a valuable material by restricting access to it and punishing any disturbance to the birds with death.

Guano from Peru is considered the best in the world. The Peruvian current brings cold water from Antarctica to the Equator along the coast, and the combination of cold water and warm air prevents rain from falling. The islands along the coast are baked in the sun, and the lack of rain means that the nitrates in the guano do not evaporate or leach into the rock, so the fertiliser maintains its effectiveness.

The United States also recognised the value of guano by passing an Act in 1856 that gave protection to any citizen that discovered a source of guano. The discoverer was able to take possession of unclaimed land that contained guano, and was entitled to exclusive rights to the deposits. The catch was that the guano could only be removed for the use of the citizens of the United States.

By the end of the 19th Century, artificial fertilisers made guano less important, although it is enjoying a return to favour for organic gardeners.

Nutritional Value and Uses

As the source of guano is so varied, the nutrients in guano vary too. Sea birds eat small fish; seagulls also scavenge. Bats of one species eat fruit, of another, insects. Guano can also be found fresh and fossilised. All these are factors in the amount of nutrients in the fertiliser, but an average would be 15% nitrogen, 9% potassium and 3% phosphorous.

Guano can be used on indoor and outdoor plants, applied the same way as any other fertiliser. It can also be used by hydroponic gardeners, by mixing it with water. Added to topsoil it can be used for laying lawns, turf and seed, and for planting trees and shrubs. Guano that is heavy in nitrogen is good for growth, when heavy in phosphorus it is good for developing buds.

Properties of Guano

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Soil builder - improves the texture of the soil.
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Lawn treatment - promotes healthy colour and growth.
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Soil cleanser - microbes help to clear any toxins in the soil.
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Fungicide - when fed to plants through the leaves.
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Nematocide - decomposing microbes help control nematodes1.
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Compost activator - microbes speed up decomposition.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A765678




This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 04:17 PM