Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
11 Pages « < 4 5 6 7 8 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

views
     
ChanK
post Jun 10 2009, 07:12 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jun 10 2009, 06:32 PM)
MY METHOD OF RIDDING OF SWIFTLET GUANO FROM THE BHS

1) Every time after harvest of nests in my BH, my workers would sweep and scoop the bird shit into the few large plastic buckets or plastic round washing containers which I placed in the 4 corners on each floor.

2) After a few harvests, the buckets are filled with bird shit. This shit is then transferred into the black plastic rubbish bags and kept in a corner.

3) Most of the times, a couple of my farmer friends would come and pick them up when it reaches certain quantity. I used to give them free. They ferment it into organic fertilizers. The latest batch of almost one pick-up load of shit was given to a new friend who insistently paid me RM 400 for it.
NIAH CAVE

In 2001, we visited the Niah Cave invited by Dr Lim Chan Koon who was doing research there and also the co-author for the book, SWIFTLETS OF BORNEO, BUILDERS OF EDIBLE NESTS. We witnessed the many local natives collected the guano from the floor of the Niah Cave and each carried this guano in bag of almost 40 kg slowly walked down the few km winding jungle tracks and wholesaled to the traders. Understand at that time the detailed price was RM 4/kg.

The composition of the swiftlet guano is almost equivalent to the bats as both are insectivorous. Understand that the quality of the organic fertilizer made from this guano is considered higher grade than those cattle, goat or chicken dung.

It may be high time for a new swiftlet organic fertilizer trader emerged with so many birds shit to be supplied for either free of charge or at very low cost from so many BHs in Malaysia these days.
*
thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

Want or not, my friend brows.gif brows.gif


The guano stock is so much that it is going to fill up our estate liao....no more place to store....

somemore needs to build a warehouse to store it liao......


Lets do some research and we can start selling organic fertilizer, u in Penang, i in central !!!!.... brows.gif brows.gif



we can name it ...ehhh........Swiftlets Guano ......our brand name .......Swiftletman !!!!.... thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 07:13 PM
ChanK
post Jun 10 2009, 08:34 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
hmm....

Let me guess.....


The old committee member or chairman is Datuk Horse ??

And that particular association is Malaysian Bird's Nest Association??

am i right??

am i right??

am i right??

or am i right???

im right?? right???


......



it is of our wishes that all thiefs or future thiefs use their brain before breaking into any farms....

As most of them are either , illiterate....or are high in drug that when they see Made In China Amp they thought it was

Made in USA....

And since, they always hang out there and seldom see anyone come to the shop....and it is lock heavily...

so....hentam lah!!!......this always happen lah!!!..... shocking.gif


..

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 10 2009, 08:41 PM
ChanK
post Jun 11 2009, 07:30 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
Wish to thank David Lim for writing the

LAPORAN ISU-ISU INDUSTRI SARANG BURUNG WALIT DI MALAYSIA


It is of great help to all farmers and it saves me lots of `hau shui' in explaining/brief the majlis about swiftlet farming.

To my surprise, someone still selling their brilliant idea of using Ultrasound to the officers !!!....they still think that this is the only option for swiftlet farming in town to tackle noise pollution!...

After some short explanation and showing them a video in a well designed open roof type farms in selangor, they all realised that open roof type do solve the noise pollution problem...

This particular video was taken in one row of shoplots where about 6 shops already converted into farms. From the background sound of the video...they can't even hear any swiftlet chirp sounds and they only realised that all these are farms when they saw swiftlets playing in n out in one of the shop roof top which i indicates to them is designed by me. Thats when they realise that open roof type do reduce noise pollutions !!..

We, farmers, might think that it is common sense as we understand the concept but it might not so common to officers who has very little knowledge about swiftlet farming.


Thats the way to go....explain to the officers in charge....they needs to understand more...and stop those peoples with hidden agenda that promotes this so called ultrasound as the solution to all farms in town...


All bn associations still needs to educate all govt depts that are involves in swiftlet farming issues by having frequent meetings with them...

better don't wait until fire broke out only start putting out the fires!!....


wah...the 2kg soon hock today is just so yummy!!!....man.... lust.gif


..

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 11 2009, 08:06 PM
ChanK
post Jun 11 2009, 09:44 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008




ATTENTION TO ALL !!! PLS SPREAD THIS INFO TO ALL FARMERS N BIRD'S NEST ASSOCIATION COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ATTEND THE BELOW MEETING ON 14 - 17 June 2009.


MESYUARAT INDUSTRI WALIT

TARIKH : 14 - 17 JUNE 2009 (AHAD - RABU)

TEMPAT : THE ROYAL BINTANG RESORT & SPA SEREMBAN, NEGERI SEMBILAN

PENGERUSI : Y.H. Dato Dr Abd. Aziz bin Jamaluddin
Ketua Pengarah Perkhidmatan Veterinar)


Ensure to fill up the registration form and send it by Fax attn to : Cik Zainita/ Pn Norpaizan


SOONEST POSSIBLE !!!...




user posted image




user posted image



user posted image



user posted image


user posted image



user posted image


user posted image


user posted image


user posted image



THIS IS THE REGISTRATION FORM :


user posted image





PLEASE HELP TO SPREAD THIS NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! URGENT !!!! icon_question.gif


Added on June 11, 2009, 9:48 pmTHIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE !!!! BEFORE THEY MEET OUR PM TO DECIDES OUR FATE !!!....


Added on June 11, 2009, 9:52 pmFOR MALAYSIA...WHICH INCLUDES SABAH N SARAWAK !!!


Added on June 11, 2009, 9:58 pmALL FARMERS N ASSOCIATION COMMITTEES N MEMBERS MUST ATTEND THIS MEETING TO SAFEGUARD THEIR OWN FUTURE N THEIR RICE BOWL N TO GUARD AGAINST THOSE OLD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT'S WITH HIDDEN AGENDA TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN BIRD'S NEST DYNASTY SDN BHD VISION WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THERE !!!!!


icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 11 2009, 09:59 PM
ChanK
post Jun 12 2009, 10:22 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
if we can defend our own industry by defending our own rice bowl as good as we defending our own view here in this forum of whether to install alarm or invest rm300k to own a farm is a so hai, then i guessed we will have a percentage to win this round.

smile.gif

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 12 2009, 10:25 AM
ChanK
post Jun 12 2009, 02:47 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
a few associations are been invited n not all aware of this mesyuarat.

alert yr association just in case they are not aware of it.

go there n listen to what they have to said n discuss......

call them up if u needs more info.


k. time to do my own things. i done enough.
ChanK
post Jun 13 2009, 10:30 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...&sec=southneast



heard fr selangor associations that we can wait for some good news from the mesyuarat. That is a long waited good news.....

A large group of sarawak farmers are here this weekend.

hopefully DL will be able to come to help up to raise the issue of bird's nest tax and bird's nest monopoly planned by some few old time association president's. the finale of this episode before going to the judge.

As always, u support us, we fully support u.

very simple. very frank.

we no need any contracts award, no need any land. just license and let us make a living and help the local community to prosper with us.

..


Added on June 13, 2009, 11:20 amthere is an article in Agroworld June issue that titled ` Why so many worm farmers failed'. Go buy it and support our local magazine.

A good article that gives u some tips on how to farm it successfully.

U can do it outside the farm...


..

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 13 2009, 11:20 AM
ChanK
post Jun 13 2009, 11:41 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
And my finale post.

Meet too many young farmers who ends up failed in their venture as most of them thought with the right techniques, it will guaranteed them success in their own swiftlet farms. With the right techniques, they can attracts all the birds above the roof.

Majority failed and the result is so slow that they gives up.

Some are lucky that they don't have to worry about paying the bank loan
as the shops or farms belong to their parents.

Some are not so lucky that they bought the unit with their lifetime savings...

Thats why i go to advice to all newbies that techinques is important but will not guarantee u anything....

Location, location, location play the only role in guarantee u success.

All pioneers started without a clue of how to build a farm, and this including me. I build my farm by reading three books by nugroho.
lucky me, the location is good, i ends up own established farms and helped my relatives owns more established farms.

Ask inspector in setiawan, does he know a clue any techniques that make him so successful? he will laugh at u if you think he is technically well verse in designing a successful farm, he had no clue at all either.


Everyone here will argue with me that techniques is important...

it is just 1400 to 3000 sq ft area !!!.....u can think all sort of crazy ideas and it is still 1400 to 300 sq ft area.

If u can design a well planned depart/arrival area for the birds to easy come in n go out, u will have a better chance to succeed.
all other things are just the basic that everyone should know by now.

IF U DON'T HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT I SAID : THEN U MIGHT WANT TO GO TO A SEMINAR TO LEARN THE BASIC.

There is always few extra ordinary cases whereby new farms managed to beat the established farm. but what is the percentage of that happening??

Are u sure u want to risk your hard earn money to bang ur head for the low percentage ??

thats why, location. location. location.


no one can beat that, not pak hen, not me. no one. both of us still preach that location is still the only key.

after that we talk about techniques.

We can assist u to revive ur failed farm, but how long to wait. we don't know. we wish it will revive into a successful farm. we wish.

thats all.

hope will see less newbies bang their head to invest all their money into a place where they found so many birds in the sky while established farms are just 100ft from their location. and they believe that techniques will attract all the birds into their new farm as promised by their consultant.

Please think twice.

think twice.


ChanK
post Jun 14 2009, 08:31 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
BELOW IS THE TIME SCHEDULE FOR THE MESYUARAT..



More heads is better than few heads!!....Pls come n support..


Tiger Lee is heading the group for Rules n regulation discussion

David Lim is heading the group for import/export discussion

GEM is heading the group for Research n Development discussion




user posted image


user posted image


Added on June 14, 2009, 9:15 pmuser posted image


user posted image

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 14 2009, 09:15 PM
ChanK
post Jun 15 2009, 05:44 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
must be server problem...



Below is a report written by David Lim and he will present this to the govt depts officers .....


Not only license is important but tax issue is a problem too, if we let this issue to grow its roots.....

one day, all farmers will have limited buyers to come to buy yr raw nests...and that means only few monopoly Legitimate Buyers who can only offer below below market price to buy yr nests.




user posted image



user posted image




user posted image


Added on June 15, 2009, 5:47 am
user posted image




user posted image



user posted image


Added on June 15, 2009, 5:48 am
user posted image






user posted image


Added on June 15, 2009, 5:54 am

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 15 2009, 02:38 PM
ChanK
post Jun 16 2009, 08:38 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 16 2009, 06:40 PM
ChanK
post Jun 25 2009, 11:00 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
Another Proposal need to shoot down before things get messy in Johor...remember we are in the same sampan.....if we dont put out the fire in johor, it might spread to our own back yard !. This proposal is prepared by those evils with Hidden Agenda and they are trying to past it through without Our Beloved PM knowledge!!!. It is no surprised as these group of peoples are against town farms in Johor all the while for their own hidden agenda....They even drafted the proposal without any involvement by bn association in johor and instead involved only ECO PARK DEVELOPER !!! WHY???
U KNOW I KNOW !!!....BETTER CHECK THIS DOCS BELOW AND SHUT THIS PROPOSAL DOWN BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND ....




Added on June 25, 2009, 11:24 pmCOmplete : page 1 to 13

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...r0m_37dca46.jpg

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/2/6/25...r1m_61b3011.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...r2m_4f03289.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...r3m_a619b10.jpg

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/2/6/25...r4m_612ca69.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...r5m_861eceb.jpg

http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/2/6/25...r6m_fd50b58.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...r7m_768c0fc.jpg

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/2/6/25...r8m_e8ad122.jpg


http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/2/6/25...r9m_232aa92.jpg


http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/2/6/25...r9m_232aa92.jpg


http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/2/6/25...10m_d65cca0.jpg


http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/2/6/25...11m_13b4d11.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...12m_f1b597c.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/2/6/25...13m_c45243d.jpg

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 25 2009, 11:27 PM
ChanK
post Jun 26 2009, 11:27 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
yes..keep cool...click the forum music player n listen to heal the world by jacki.....


Three issues :

1) Noise pollution
2) Hygience
3) worry too many farms in town

these are none issues anymore....

1) open roof type stop the polution
2) clean the birds shits every month.
3) how to deal with this?

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 26 2009, 11:36 AM
ChanK
post Jun 27 2009, 07:30 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
QUOTE(ChanK @ Jun 26 2009, 11:27 AM)
yes..keep cool...click the forum music player n listen to heal the world by jacki.....
Three issues :

1) Noise pollution
2) Hygience
3) worry too many farms in town

these are none issues anymore....

1) open roof type stop the polution
2) clean the birds shits every month.
3) how to deal with this?
*
No point mumble abt who is doing wrong to whom...

3) the only option is to have all new township lot titles to indicate `No Swiftlet Farming Activities is allowed.'. Full stop.
instead of telling the officer to let the existing farms to continue forever and all new farms is forbidden as how do we judge if the farm is new or old??
and how about all those abandon shops in selangor n johor especially kota tinggi where even human being is not advisable to stay there as the area is prone to be flooded and not safe for human !!!......

The govt will have a peace of mind that all new township will be zero farming zone and this will goes well to the public too.If i not mistaken,johor did that in one of the new township, Johor farmers pls go n check it out.

So, we have settle all the things up there.

AND IT IS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO SEND SOMEONE TO `NICELY ' TALK TO THE ECO PARK OR GOVT OFFICERS WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS NOT RIGHT.


Good Luck.

ANY JOHOR HEAVYWEIGHT CAN DO THAT??....OR ANY OF YR FRIEND WHO IS A HEAVYWEIGHT CAN DO THAT???....BETTER SEND THIS MESSAGE TO THEM TO START DOING IT NOW BEFORE TSUNAMI COME N WIPE ALL OF US OUT!.
ChanK
post Jun 28 2009, 11:00 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
Anyone cares to post all the abandon shops in yr local area and shows to the govt officers here that swiftlet farming industry had turn some of these ghost towns into a clean, well kept, and some with `Personal Jaga' to saveguard and prevent any `Penagih dadah' from making these place as their hideout and restaurants!!!.....


user posted image



user posted image



user posted image


Added on June 28, 2009, 11:01 amuser posted image


Added on June 28, 2009, 11:01 amuser posted image


Added on June 28, 2009, 11:02 amBY THE WAY....ALL THESE SHOPS ARE MAIN ROAD FRONTAGE AND BEEN ABANDON FOR OVER 10 YEARS !!!......

EYESORES???......


Added on June 28, 2009, 11:04 amn you know what.......


i think if u buy these properties and turn it into farms.....within one year, at least 50 nests.....and it only cost rm160k ~ 200k per units.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 28 2009, 11:04 AM
ChanK
post Jun 28 2009, 09:46 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
Its been days we posted the docs...anyone with any other comments on those docs??

Use this forum to group our strenghts .....no point each of us liked making one blog and talk the same thing and still ends up at the same point.

we are just liked those bn associations where each of them want recognition or they are THE ONE instead of concentrating in the issue itself.....

This forum is one of the most read in Malaysia by farmers n govt officers, use it !!!......

If we ourselves can't even be a strong team and fight the evils as a team, don't blame anyone !...

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 28 2009, 09:49 PM
ChanK
post Jun 30 2009, 08:14 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
If you read the paper properly, their arguments are so weak that we can tackle it so easily if we group in a few caliber farmers to write a counter proposal..in fact we don't have to if we make used of David Lim paper in bahasa malaysia where most of the issues already been discussed and with solutions.

Only we need to add in some local flavors.... Johor.....your area, u know more than us why the govt should let town farms exist forever......

why so many peoples build farms in town....

I only know of one case, Kota tinggi, after crossing the bridge...the area is prone to flood. and the govt already urge those who do business to move out as it is dangerous for them to operate there. So, If the farmers can't even keep swiftlets there...why don't u ask PBT what they want to suggest to make use of that area???.....Jurassic Park????....

THere are many many many many many many many abandon shops in JOHOR!!....Thats why There are so many farms there....

AND THIS INCLUDING SELANGOR!!!.....AND IN WHOLE MALAYSIA!!!...

In fact the govt should arrange a site trip to all PBT officers to show them around Malaysia and let them COUNT HOW MANY ABANDON PROPERTIES IN MALAYSIA !...

As we always said...we need two hands to clap...Eco Park cannot do the evil things alone, they needs support from the Mighty Power. So, we need to Convince the Mighty Power, which is actually Titanic waiting to hit the `Ice Cube' to fall....we need to convince them that they needs us TOO to survive...

50 50 is far better if u ask me ...... we should not always remember the old times ....if we can forgive Annuar, we can forgive anyone as long as they Take good cares of us.... No one is perfect....



Birdfarm, good points.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jun 30 2009, 08:26 AM
ChanK
post Jun 30 2009, 10:22 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


YES !!!!.....THATS WHAT WE NEED....POSITIVE, CONSTRUCTIVE, WELL WRITTEN ARGUMENTS!!!...

DL....MAYBE U ARE RIGHT...WE CAN FIND SOME GOOD CALIBER FARMERS HERE ...
ChanK
post Jun 30 2009, 06:58 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
swiftletsarekei,

maybe the association just want to calm u guys n did not intentionally gives out wrong message to u.

The only problem we might face is newcomers....all those in this industry already know what we need to do.

we need to restrict/advice/ensure all newcomers do the right things when they build new farms in town.

One : They need to register as member of bn association.

Two : BN association need to have a senior member to brief them what they can do and cannot do. failing so, bn association can report this newcomer to the majlis to take action if the newcomer do not take the advice and go kacau the neighbourhood by turning on sound loud or erect monkey house.

We need to do it to saveguard all our rice bowl. just make sure this is not been make use by evil pioneer president's or committee members from restricting newcomer entering into this trade.

Sarekei bn association should use this n implement it on their own...instead of waiting for troubles......
ChanK
post Jul 1 2009, 08:41 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
451 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
We have to explain to the govt officers, it is not easy to make a place becomes swiftlet haven where all farms are successful.

it takes time to grow the birds.

it takes time.

Thats why most eco park failed as they build 50 to 200 units in one shot and all buyers turn on sound in one shot.

WHERE GOT SO MANY BIRDS FOR ALL TO ATTRACT ???

Thats why if u go to eco park now, u will see a very similar situation where...all the farms turn on the external sound SO DAMN LOUD THAT

U CAN'T EVEN HEAR YOU SHIU SHIU WHEN U GO TOILET LATER !!!....

THE PLACE IS NOT WHAT I CALLED SOUND WAR.....BUT FINALE SOUND WAR - EITHER U DIE OR I DIE TYPE !!!....

WHY??.....because all farms not doing well!!!....

When we do build our farm in town, the situation different ..

one pioneer renovated the shop in top floor into swiftlets farm and operate quietly for few years.....

then he told his friend his success.....his friend then tell his friend who stay in the same area....then his friend happen to have one empty shop there renting merely rm100 a month....renovate and turn on sound at minimal n operate for over a year...

then his neighbour saw what he did....get consultant to do it for him..
now, outstation consultant do the design and turn on the sound .....

then all the neighbours saw what he did...then they laugh at his neigbour that where got soh hai go n let birds stay in the shop !!!...

after one year, when the neighbours see the result of this friend...then quietly....all the neighbours searching for consultants to renovate their shops quietly.....and one by one those neighbours who laughed at him all converted their shops into farms...

then after three years, these neighbours friends, relatives all see their relatives farms so successful start to buy up all unused shops n converted it into farms.

SO, DID U SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TOWN FARMS N ECO PARK FARMS??

UNLESS THE ECO PARK DEVELOPER SELL THEIR UNITS 3 UNITS A YEAR..THEN I NOT GOING TO OBJECT TO IT.

BUT IF THEY THINK THEY CAN CON/MANIPULATE/MISGUIDE/SETTING TRAPS TO NEWCOMERS INTO BELIEVING THAT ALL FARMS IN ECO PARK WILL SUCCEED !!!...

then we better do some promotion for all eco park in malaysia and teach all newcomers AND ADVICE THEM NOT TO BUY ANY FARM FROM ECO PARKs.

We need to have a paper specifically written to argue/advice/educate all new investors on ECO PARK INVESTMENT ...write it in MANDARIN, MALAY,
TAMIL ....TO WARN/HIGHLIGHT TO ALL NEW INVESTORS OF THE MAIN CON OF ECO PARK.

UNLESS THE ECO PARK IS SITUATED IN THE TOWN ITSELF....I GOT NO OBJECTION AS THE INVESTORS CAN USE THE GROUND FLOOR FOR BUSINESS AND WAIT FOR BIRDS TO COME !!...

thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by ChanK: Jul 1 2009, 08:48 AM

11 Pages « < 4 5 6 7 8 > » Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0946sec    0.52    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 04:26 PM