Uncle Ben, RM25/sqft for a complete BH is pretty amazing !! I wonder how you can achieve such a feat.

once u know how they can build a low-cost house in 50k for human ,then u know how to make a low-buget shelter just for birds...

Bad news.........be careful...the Break In gang is now in the state of Terengganu and they have cleaned up some BHs in Kuantan and in Dungun so I heard.

These thieves came well prepared and they have the necessary equipments to cut your pad lock even the inside padlock with gas cutter. As I have told you that the town cannot even protect the BHs well and what about the out of town ones......Right now, they are not interested with the out of town BHs because there are not worth their effort to break in.......sooner or later, they will. BHs owners may have to stay with the birds so as to protect their precious commodities.

My suggestion is to build a few BHs together if out of town for safety and other reasons plus more enjoyable fellowship in the middle of no where.

Town BHs owners......Please take preventive action and phone up fellow members if needed in order to help to kill a rat or two..... oppp.....I mean, break a leg or two.... oppps..I mean phone the Police and stand guard to prevent their escape until the cops arrived and that may take some time.

For goodness sake, don't buy nest from thieves and if your friends or buyers are doing so, tell them off and inform all BHs owners to boycott them.........for they are the our worst enemy.....when the buying stop, we hope the stealing will stop, too.

Hi Kuching / Ben,

Do you mind sharing info on what Hakawei asks you guys? ..
You may also PM me if you don't want it to be broadcast.

How bout the location, which state is that ? ..
Could it be costs of building is higher in KL compared to Kuching?

*i'm just assuming it's in Kuching from your nick .. lol*

ever came to Sarawak Kuching ?
indonesian sub-contractor =labour charge 24x60 2story from earth till roofing... =24k
material for BH include internal setup from earth till roofing.... =35k
site clearing 4 acre = long arm RM600 Perday x10 include open 2 pond.... =8k
TOTAL =67K
Believe it or not ! up to you




This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: May 4 2009, 10:54 PM

i think buying material in bulk helps a lot to reduce cost. shortage of material = delay = increase cost. supervising, buying yourself added with a trustworthy team of workers should reduce cost (a lot).

MOA has recently called up some bumi consultants, not sure yet of the outcome. hopefully, no ill advice. i think restructuring the agencies (or rather revise) which agency should be handling house nests (preferably the Veterinary Department) can alleviate the current situation.

still patiently waiting for my BH to complete.... anticipation............

To build a building these days is getting rather difficult as the parking requirements can really prevent you for making one.

1. I don't know about other places but here we require a parking lot for every 500 sq meters and for a 20 by 70 x 3F, you at least need 9 parking lots .....and you only can buy 30% of the lots. Balance? you need to provide and how to provide if you only have land enough for a building and maybe an area enough for 2 parking lot. Even if you have the 70%, the balance lot costs Rm10K per lot..........

Alternatively, you can use the ground floor for parking and even then, you still need to pay for the balance of the parking lots if you meet the 70%...........udang udang baru apa!!!!!!

So, if you are planing to buy a piece of land in town and if the majlis is following the new guidelines, don't buy cos you can't build the building unless you have land nearby to surrender to the authorities for parking........cos we are facing this problem here and my friends have been appealing unsuccessfully for almost a year..... so, beware and if still no enforcement of the new rule at your area, better submit the plan for approval cos any delay will prevent you from doing one..............

Pheew.... That was a real piece of golden advice. This happened in MPK only or the whole state ??
Thank you for sharing.

well, the only obvious solution is go for agri land... but needs $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Mesuarat Bersama Pengusaha Premis Burung Walet dan Stakeholders, Putrajaya, 06/05/09

Draf Garis Panduan Perancangan dan Kawalan Operasi Premis Burung Walet.

Jabatab Perancangan Bangar dan Desa Semenanjung Malaysia

The above meeting was held in Putrajaya to discus the finalisation of the National Guidlines for the operation of Swiftlet houses in Pen. Malaysia.

Who in this forum attended, would like to know the outcome, as well as who were the representatives for this industry.

It is like this, the Fed Gov has passed this crazy Law long ago and it's up to your local government whether to adopt it now or later and sfrom what I heard, only Petaling Jaya and Kemaman,Terengganu have adopted the new Law....with that most of the new application here kena tolak.
New Act requirement of 1 parking per 500 sq m and one must able to provide 70%, balance can be purchase.

Better submit it now if you are planing to build one or regret later when the Majlis implement the new act.

Finally, I read some good news,

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/113301?tid=1

NEW COMERS ARE NOT ALLOWED INTO TOWN is not an easy rule to be enforced I believe.

swift4ever, can you kindly translate and give the main points of that article? thanks a bunch.

Hope the following do help if the local authorities do pay you a visit for the approval for BH license.

Few months ago, I was late for one of these visits in Pekan and I asked my staff to open the door for the inspection, little did I know that problem start with my unpunctuality. When I arrived, they have finished with my BH and I received a call from the Association President that my BH failed in the inspection and I wasn't happy and was advised to go to see the officer in charged who iwas still checking BHs a few block away.

The reason for failing my BH are
1. Two outside tweeters are not facing the sky. I argued that the tweeters are not even connected to any wire and that I wasn't using any external sound at all. He wasn't even listening.
2. I have a pool with alot of plants and fishes in it and under the regulations, that's not allowed. My argument that the pool is not in the BH and there are alot of fishes in the pool fell on deaf ears.

What I am trying to tell you to be prepared for such things and never take thing for granted that they will understand cos sometime, I think that some of those officers doing the inspection don't really know what they are doing or expecting and they can't be bother to entertain your reasoning or explanation. Try to keep your BH dry ( no water) and clean when they come for inspection and never give them any excuses to fail you.........lest you face the same situation like me and to face a second inspection if they care.

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Dear West Wing,

Recently reading all your posts. Humble and proud, humour and true.

Hoping to receive your advices on the birds behaviour through your years of experience.

1. Many birds visited my new BH every day (about less than 100) , even at very hot weather these few days, while a lot people said all birds went missing. They come early in the morning from 7 till 12pm. Then stop till 3 pm and play till 6pm. A few started staying, but observed from CCTV they keep changing place to rest.

2. As we observed from CCTV, ever since we stop entering the farm for about 1 mth, the birds visited my BH started to increase. They keep playing in and out, but not staying. My consultant said they are checking and observing my BH till they decide to stay. It takes time. What do you think? From your years of experience, how long it takes for them to make decision? blush.gif

3. Last time I did apply N**T aroma. It works for a weeks. The amt of birds reduced later then. We stop entering the farm, they started to time to visit. A good sign? Now dare not go in to the farm, although some successful farmes encourage me to enter the farm to apply aroma. What do you think?

Thank you in advance.

So sorry that I didn't read your new posting and you should have inform us here that you have started a new forum on swiftlets....I don't know others but anything about the goodness of swiftlet make happy and proud to be a part of its happening....

I am no Sifu but will share all I know about your problem above and hope that you don't mind that I bring it here to share with all @ forum.

When the birds oay you the visit and that's because your external sound is good and they are very curious and will enter to examine the area. But alas. your interior is not suitable or comfortable and so they are not staying and I disagree with your consultant on this, sorry Mr. Consultant.

Having the birds already curious, it time to make them stay and remember that today guest birds may not be the same batch of visiting birds visiting your BH tomorrow. Usually, new birds will come and new make nest but occasionally other adult birds do, too when you are lucky cos your neighbouring BHs have created situation so unfortunate and irresponsible.
Your question on how long does it take for them to want to stay, this is a impossible question to answer as it all depend on your BH environment and conditions......sometime it take just 2 weeks and they start making nests and sometime much much longer.

One thing for certain, if alot of birds entering your BH is a good sign but if they all left after awhile then it time for you to think what went wrong in you BH and modify them and maybe now, ou need to change your sound to attract them again to come to see your new setup or show room.....maybe this time you are lucky and if not next time perhap.....hope this time you be lucky my friend and hope to hear good news from you......

Another thing, all above are my own comments and suggestions and please do comment and others may not feel the same as I do......


This post has been edited by West Wing: May 10 2009, 10:38 PM

After drafting up with relevant authority, the
guidelines for the operations of the swiftlet houses in Malaysia has been finalised and existing swiftlet houses in town do not necessarily stop operation and move after year 2012 but new swiftlet houses are not allowed into town. Application of permit of swiftlet houses operation must be through Associations.... Hope this help.

I have a few questions.

1) No BH in town effective from when?

2) If I were to construct a new BH now, it has to be away from town right?

3) Existing town BH ranchers are considered very lucky coz they have the privilege newbies do not, right?

4) is this meaning that the existing town BH ranchers can continue playing their music loud right? But the door is close for newbies who are willing to comply with the guidelines right?

5) Only the association can determine who can "cari makan" right?

Q1. I believe that they mean once they start the registration of BHs in town. This have been enforce already in some town. They may have some reasons for doing so as to prevent the whole town going swiftlets and town look more like a swifltet paradise but then they should have given exception for shop lots not occupied or cannot be rented out or too far away......just my suggestion.
Q2. All BH after the registration of BHs should be away from town.......a compromise situation and may not sound fair to the supposed late comer in town. What the authorities are telling that enough is enough for the authorities have accept the Pro Town BHs' argument that many billions of ringgit will be lost if they force the swiftlet BH to move and many people will go bankrupt if the authorities insist to force the BHs out of towns. Not to mentioned the country's lost of hugh income.
Q3. This is not luck nor privilege but just that the authorities is listening and willing to accept the argument and reasoning. It is just like the present BHs are under the chopping block and have been pardon but no more, any new one will be chop, chop and chop.......... The whole thing may again be different and again another danger coming, who know. My new incoming BHs may have to go with the new ruling but at least my old ones are safe, I hope.
Q4. All BHs must comply with the guidelines and that why the Association is mentioned here.
Q5. Very dangerous and I hope that I am wrong...... if they are telling you only to join the "ONE" swiftlet association and ....creating a Monopoly type of Association and the "ONE" may determine whether you can stay or not; now and in the future. I hope that I am wrong here.

The above are my own humble thinking and believe of what have transpired and may not be the truth ...... sanyone with the real and truthful Answers do please answer our friend, Eng. Lee 5 questions....

last sunday when i go to my BH at 8.45am,i saw 80-88 swiftlet bird playing and flying above my BH at least 1 hour,but my bh under procesing building,i havent open sound and install nesting plank...so what is the sign of this view,thanks if can give me advice.

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According to my 5 cents ability, you are in a good location and as usual, the birds are curious of the new BH. If the birds do fly in and play in the unfinished BH in the later of the day. Congratulation, you are expecting babies unless you have a miscarriage" say Dr. West Wing. Having good sound to attract birds which must be require for BH which want to attract the attention of the birds which are by nature curious animal.
Once they like your place, nothing can prevent them from entering and even shutting the window will see them knocking at the window.

Hope you find the bird playing in the unfinished Bh as a few of my friends have such good luck and now they are either having thousands and one just started 6 months and having about 40 nests.

Above are my believe and may not be the same as others. Please share your view on the matter as you see it.......

yup,they playing above my dog cannel and kolam ,and some bird attempt fly near to the entrance door ,but they just flying near the door and pusing balik,may be i havent open sound ,so they scare flying in,and my worker also inside the BH.

at that time ,i climb up to my kolam and dog cannel,they seem dun scare me,and just flying above my head,after they found me ,then they flying far abit from me,actually what happend for this view?

is good or bad sign??

is that all new bh is like that???
successful bh also is like that???
thanks

if got 88bird flying ,then how many % my bh will successful?