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aeiou228	Jun 21 2009, 11:00 AM Return to original view \| Post #41
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(Semuabumi @ Jun 19 2009, 08:05 PM) Now very susah, can not listen to anyone. Can not trust u also .Really soli ok. Hope not angry Try first then only i talk. soli ok. Some say very good , some say no good. So who to trust better trust what i see. I see my friend farm in setiawan very good 500nests to 700 nests in 3 month using Lp. So can not blame anybody only can blame myself. because my farm is DIY by me. It is not susah at all. Since you don't trust those who posted the feed back about LP and pretty much convinced that your friend's BH in Setiawan was very good after using LP, I think you have come to a decision. You should buy a small quantity of LP first to test it out in your BH and share your findings in this forum.
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aeiou228	Jul 13 2009, 12:14 AM Return to original view \| Post #42
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	Fox ??? This post has been edited by aeiou228: Jul 13 2009, 12:15 AM
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aeiou228	Jul 13 2009, 11:03 AM Return to original view \| Post #43
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE Golden Nest Properties International Berhad at Unit A-19-1, 1st Floor Block A Jaya One. No. 72A, Jln Universiti, PJ, where they are offering an investment plan which promised monthly RM200 in 1st year, RM450 in 2nd year & RM900 in subsequent years. With a guaranteed minimum RM3000 yearly dividend if you purchase a lot in the Bird's Nest farm which cost RM24,800. But allowing you you to put down a deposit of RM7,440 (30%) & pay the rest of installment in 4yrs. There was previously a forum on the topic but was messed up after. Just wondering if those that have signed up would give their feed back (especially Scam Victim & Fake84). Cause I have been stupid & greedy enough to sign up myself & am dead worry right now... Source
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aeiou228	Jul 14 2009, 12:44 PM Return to original view \| Post #44
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(tangsn @ Jul 13 2009, 02:26 PM) Look like all the old bird here still keeping the secret of swiftlet farming,and no wish to share the golden experience here. I can understand why you posted such reply. It is because you lack of patient /manner and you expect the sifu here oblige to respond to your query within 24 hours. You posted your query on 11th 3.54pm, seeseng responded on the 12th. Not satisfied with it, you accused the old birds keeping the secret on 13th. I wouldn't want to behave this way if I were to ask for info/knowledge from a public forum.
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aeiou228	Jul 17 2009, 02:06 AM Return to original view \| Post #45
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(1M'sia @ Jul 17 2009, 12:20 AM) Hi everyone, May I know where to buy nesting planks in Selangor (direct from the sawmills)? Thanks. If you don't mind the distance, I know a sawmill in Kuala Terengganu that produces Red Meranti nesting planks with the following spec Planks size can be pre-ordered. Planks are moulded with grooved lines on both sides. All planks are KILN DRIED (KD) in Kiln Dry chambers, thus you got straighter planks to reduced air gap in between ceiling and high resistance to mold formation. Read the advantages and benefit of kiln dried timber here. Advantages of kiln dried timber Benefit of KD timbers It is not easy to find ( nor you are able to identify it ) KD nesting planks from your neighborhood store kayu or a small time sawmiller because setting up a KD facility needs high capital expenditure and sales volume. There are two important differences between air drying and kiln-drying. In a kiln, the wood is usually heated above 130ºF, which kills all insects, eggs, and fungi. Second, with resinous softwoods, the heat drives off the resin that would be liquid and runny at room temperature. Indicative price for 1" x 6" size is RM2500 ex factory per tonne. (take note, these are Kiln Dried planks!!) This post has been edited by aeiou228: Jul 17 2009, 11:53 PM
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aeiou228	Jul 23 2009, 04:06 PM Return to original view \| Post #46
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(SpaceBeast @ Jul 23 2009, 02:58 PM) Hey guys looking for quotation for this sort of building, how much does it cost to build this sort of building. Contacts for contractors would be very much appreciated. Well.... the question is too generalised without supporting info....Answer can be very general too. About less than 100k in miri sarawak to 1m in peninsular depending on location, states, size of BH, merterials......etc etc........ As mentioned in earlier thread, get a local building contractor to do the job.
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aeiou228	Aug 12 2009, 10:21 PM Return to original view \| Post #47
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	I'm having problem with humidity control in my BH... but in a reverse way. My BH is without any humidifier or mist sprayer. But yet the natural humidity of my BH is so high that the hygrometer always shows 'Hi' (Max) in the morning and the min reading ever recorded was 78%. Lately I've found mold (white spot) growing on the wooden plank that host the timer and the power points. I opened up all ventilation holes (177 of them) but the hygrometer still show 'Hi' or 80+% on average. So far, no white spots found on the nesting planks but I'm worry one day it will. Any comment ?
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aeiou228	Aug 13 2009, 11:10 AM Return to original view \| Post #48
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(CWG @ Aug 13 2009, 09:54 AM) I wonder why your BH humidity so high? Do you have water pond inside your BH? No. No water pond, no mist sprayer, no humidifier and not a single drop of water can be found in my BH. Even the humidity measurement taken outside of the BH (open air) can easily reach 80%+. ( tested by 2 different hygrometer). QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 13 2009, 10:28 AM) Let me get my immagination go wild......let see 1. Your BH must be either or a few of the following a) a wet area like with underground water. b) very near to water sources like river or others. c) cannot be in town d) Your internal temperature must be under 25C. 2. If above is the truth, then your BH must have a free flow of air from A to B and so the wind bring in the cold air into the BH. 3. If my 2th. predictions is correct, easily solve is to ......................... 3. Solutions: a)close all ventilation holes in your BH as you don't require any of the V holes as you have too much air flow and dampness. b) Prevent the flow of cold air into you BH Well, like I say, it is from my imagination............ and hope that I get them all right. C'mon, Sifus with experience in it may want to comment and advice us. WW, your guess is pretty accurate. My BH is located in rural area and near river. Ground floor temperature fluctuate around 25c to 27c. I opened up all 177 VH because I thought stagnant air helps mold formation and let the damp air flow out. No ? This post has been edited by aeiou228: Aug 13 2009, 11:16 AM
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aeiou228	Aug 14 2009, 02:40 PM Return to original view \| Post #49
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	Thank you all for your suggestions and views. As the matter of fact, no mold was found on the nesting plank, probably due to the nesting planks were all kiln dried planks. Mold was found only at the wooded board that house the timer located in the ground floor control room. I will try to trouble shoot again by closing and opening the VH and see the outcome. BTW, my BH is a stand alone 20' x 70' x 3 storey building. Top floor temp max at 30.2C and ground floor temp about 2 to 3 degree colder.
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aeiou228	Aug 16 2009, 12:35 PM Return to original view \| Post #50
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 16 2009, 11:48 AM) aeiu228 posted that he open all the Vholes but didn't mentioned that he didn't open any before the incident happened. As I see it and from what I learn ( although not much), dew will only form on open water and soil which must be wet only then the cold air make the water particles from the water surface and the land to form dew and the wind blow them into the BH. The bird house interior is not wet and will be warm and since the air inside is stagnant and will remain for quite sometime and even so, will only slowly become cooler but then, it will be warm again when the sun rise. So, with my little knowledge and understanding but wish to know more, I think that by closing all V holes will prevent and slower the cold air outside from entering the BH and that's why I said prevent the wind from blowing into the BH. The same reason why if Malaysian is caught off guard in case it snow in Malaysia, we shall all shut all air gaps and windows to prevent cold air from entering and warn air from leaving and worst if the wind blow into our house. Do I get it right????? Above comments are to seek the truth so that others may learn but with no ill intention or argument for argument sake. Knowledgeable guys may like to give advices to us. I should have given more info in the first place. My BH is a stand alone 3 storey building and have 177 4" VH. Only 10% were closed prior to opening all. Now I shall do an experiment to close all VH floor by floor and monitor the reading of hygrometer. I have this logic in mind but not sure whether it is correct or not. Damper and cooler air is heavier, therefore the ground floor should have more air pressure then the upper floors, thus open up VH in ground floor will allow damp air to flow out ?
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aeiou228	Aug 16 2009, 05:48 PM Return to original view \| Post #51
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(CWG @ Aug 16 2009, 04:09 PM) I thought hot air has more energy and therefore more pressure. I agreed what WW said. Try to close all the VH first. After all your BH is new BH, close all VH can help to keep the aroma smell in your BH. You are right too. now NVM, just do the test and see the result later.
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aeiou228	Aug 21 2009, 11:42 AM Return to original view \| Post #52
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	I was in Brinchang CH 7.30pm the previous night and I saw a lot of swiftlets flying home in town. The next morning, I took a closer look at the nest ( right below the roof and outside of the hotel building ) and found that they are all grass nest. This observation suggest that swiftlet's egg still can be hatched at such a climate (chilly and windy).
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aeiou228	Sep 2 2009, 01:17 AM Return to original view \| Post #53
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(cris23335 @ Sep 1 2009, 10:14 PM) i am from the philippines and i am new here. thought of seeking help from kind-hearted malaysians like you. i have an alleged parcel sent from london and it was "on hold" in malaysia for some custom duties problem. i just need to confirm the existence of the parcel and the alleged custom duties to be paid. the courier is direct package express with office in london. here in malaysia, the same company is headed by mrs. fizah fauzi, the southeast asian regional director. Tel: +60143340197 Fax: +60331698098 Email: southeastasia@direct-package.com i am directed to pay in cash through western union in order for the package to be released by custom. can anyone please help? thank you so much. Sounds very familiar..... Are u looking for "water fish" here ? Ok I'm from KL and I can help you but you got to send the money to me first if indeed need to pay custom for the release of parcel. FAKE SCAM PARCEL DELIVERY This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 2 2009, 01:26 AM
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aeiou228	Sep 3 2009, 10:51 PM Return to original view \| Post #54
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Sep 3 2009, 09:05 PM) Hi Is there any picture that show or technique to identify which types of swiftlet built nest and which don't? To my eyes, they all look alike. So far, in peninsular Malaysia, I've only seen big numbers of grass swifts exist in Cameron Highland. The swifts built grass nests out side of the building. Especially at the top of Rosa Pasadena Hotel in Brinchang.
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aeiou228	Sep 4 2009, 10:21 AM Return to original view \| Post #55
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	How to identify AF. They have all black feathers. No white ring at the neck, No white patches at the belly. When they fly, their tails are shaped in "V". They never stop flying and stand on trees, roof top etc How they fly ( this need a lot of observations )
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aeiou228	Sep 4 2009, 12:04 PM Return to original view \| Post #56
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Sep 4 2009, 10:47 AM) Thanks. This is exactly the info I wanted. On the tail being 'V" shape. Someone told me it is the opposite? Oh really ? then u have to make a decision who is telling you the correct info about AF. But why bother to spot the non AF anyway ??
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aeiou228	Sep 7 2009, 10:33 PM Return to original view \| Post #57
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	I saw you posted the above eco park advertisement in the LYN classified section this afternoon as a seller and now u suddenly turn around and become potential buyer in the evenin in this thread ? My guess is you will surely kena tembak in this thread. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(Frankco888 @ Sep 7 2009, 07:50 PM) Dear All, I an quite keen to invest in Bird Nest Farming. Recently, someone has given me a proposal on this alternative investment. This is the offer, they gave me: The One Stop Swiftlet Center Concept: Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre is a piece of 8 hectares agriculture land owned and developed by Layar Klasik Resort (M) Sdn. Bhd. Located at one of the best bird nest cultivation area in Mukim Sedili Kecil, Johore, Malaysia, it provides 94 units of 4 storey terrace swiftlet shop-house, approved by the State Government. With the approval from the State Government, this indicates that swiftlet farming is legalized in Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre. Our One Stop Center Concept provides interested individual(s)/company with a novel investment opportunity. Besides premium capital appreciation and attractive returns, we offer the best fuss-free solution to swiftlet farming and birdnests cultivation. The ‘One Stop Center’ concept originates from the need to provide a collective integrated area for mass swiftlets’ farming that is approved and legalized by the State Government. Due to the pressure from urban development and increase in human population, the natural habitat and niche of the swiftlets are being reduced. Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park & Bird Nest Cultivation Centre is surrounded by fruit farms, waterfall, river and green vegetations that swiftlets’ thrive on. With the strategic location of Sedili Kecil Swiftlet Eco Park, it is proposed that the natural habitat would provides the perfect solution to production of Organic Bird Nest with the highest quality, i.e. nests produced by male swiftlets that feeds on insects in a pollution free environment. And now, here’s your golden opportunity to tap into this unique business and investment proposition. The following details are the Special “Win-Win” Investment Plan, which is being offered by us: - • 4 Story Terrace Swiftlet Shop House Lot with land area 20’x76’ sq. ft. = RM799,555.00 / Lot (special offer price for phase 1 only + included renovation costs for every floors + Lawyer Fee + Stamp Duty Fee + 2 years Insurance Coverage) • Waiver of Security & Consultation Fees for 24 months. • Guarantee minimum of 100 bird nests during the 24 months period. • Capital Protection (Monies Guaranteed Back), up to 24 months.* • Gated & Guarded: 24 hours patrol services. • No bias in providing swiftlet attracting services. - Our Consultant’s service is available on every unit of swiftlet shop house. - Especially for those who are inexperience. • No Technical & Monitoring Issues. - We will assist you to monitor your swiftlet shop house such as swiftlet audio system, proper temperature & humidity & lighting control, security system, pest control system, floor cleaning & cultivating services and etc. - In other words, your duty is to monitor our performance and ensure your income is increasing every year. • Fully fencing & Card access system will be provided. • Individual Leasehold Title will be issued. • Greater investment value: Potential higher returns with lowest risk / No demand & supply issues. * If investor who is not satisfied with our Swiftlet Plan’s performance, your total initial investment cost will be refundable with subject to the term & condition below: - 1) 100% of your initial investment cost will be refundable if your swiftlet shop lot has LESS THAN 100 bird nests during the 24 months period. 2) The capital protection of your initial investment cost will be NOT APPLICABLE anymore if your swiftl Is it safe to invest in this Bird Nest house? They also inform me that I could take loan from Agro Bank. Any advice? This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 7 2009, 10:41 PM
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aeiou228	Sep 8 2009, 10:02 PM Return to original view \| Post #58
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Sep 8 2009, 09:44 PM) Sifu , I want to ask some questions : My BH already 5 years , but only have 5 - 15 nests You got a failed farm. I think u should engage an expert to visit your BH physically to help u up.
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aeiou228	Sep 9 2009, 10:38 PM Return to original view \| Post #59
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Sep 8 2009, 09:44 PM) Sifu , I want to ask some questions : My BH already 5 years , but only have 5 - 15 nests QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Sep 8 2009, 10:17 PM) engage an expert ?? QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Sep 9 2009, 09:34 PM) bro , my BH temperature is 28 Celsius to 31 Celsius . And Humidity is 90% ++ . Then what information need to give ?? Your questions were pretty shallow and you don't sound like a 5 years old BH owner to me. Answers can be found in this thread, please read from pg 1. By the way, please don't spam this thread.
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aeiou228	Sep 13 2009, 11:02 PM Return to original view \| Post #60
Look at all my stars!! Senior Member 5,867 posts Joined: Feb 2006	QUOTE(goruth @ Sep 13 2009, 08:51 PM) gud day everyone. im a new farmer, juz venturing into and still doing research.. im from sabah, and im thinking of developing a small land for a start on bh farming. i wanna ask a weird Q, cuz i heard that swiftlets are breedable, some say. so my questions goes like this. izzit posible to breed swiftlet by from egg-> adult through means of incubation, feeding, and so on. i do know siwftlets travel round asia, by traveling around asia means swftlets are nomadic? izzit? thx u Why spend time and money to do something that wouldn't guarantee you a nest ? What are you trying to achieve by "breeding" swiftlets ?? Even if you can breed, you still have to release the young birds to fly freely in the open sky right ? And when the birds are flying in the open sky, they are not belongs only to you right ? This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 13 2009, 11:12 PM
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