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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Nov 26 2009, 11:48 AM

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My BH natural humidity during the monsoon season was MAX at all time. To the extend hard paper carton box stored inside BH also feel lembik.
Really need to get the above gadget to dry out a bit. Or any sifu can share any low cost dehumidifying tips ?

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post Nov 27 2009, 08:30 AM

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This spectacular scene was captured by me on 23.11.09. This tree is a natural attractant to Swiftlets drool.gif drool.gif . I will plant few of them surrounding my BH for experimental purposes.

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post Dec 7 2009, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 6 2009, 10:46 PM)
Thanks Cergau for the advise above.
I saw this writer post about the Perhilitan . Has this problem been solved ? What happen to the law now for exporter of bird nest.
Can anyone take out the raw bird nest out from Malaysia now?
The article was written back in 2008, i wonder if that has change ?
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No change. The banner is still there when I last seen in October 09.
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post Dec 7 2009, 10:02 PM

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By aeiou228, shot with N73 at 2009-12-07
Nah...still standing there at the international departure gate as of today.

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post Dec 9 2009, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 8 2009, 03:04 PM)

Yeah! Why only pick on EBN only and no mention of others under their wings.....why no mention about taking out snake skin, tiger tooth or elephant tusk....and many others like turtle eggs when turtles are going to be extinct already. I believe it all boiled down on someone, somewhere must have some hidden interest in the matter cos' I never seem a gov dept. taking so serious about their job otherwise we should have saved our turtles ......going out all the way to stop and prevent anyone taking out EBN, a Malaysian products. It not simply like paying Rm100 per Kg tax but where and how to pay is another problem......meaning that exporting EBNs are only for the selected few only and who they are, I don't know. Never saw anyone prevented a tourist from taking Malaysian products for own use.......until now and that's EBN !!!!!!
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WW, I couldn't agree more to the above statement. The tougher the EBN export (where small individual farmers don't have the ways and means to over come the red tapes), the better for certain group of people including existing exporter.
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post Dec 9 2009, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 9 2009, 03:43 PM)
Do you know that most of the Indo buyers are here not shopping for their processing factories in Indonesia but to smuggle the nests to their buyers in China thru HongKong runners because their country do not produce quality nests like Malaysia do and that their country do not have good friendship with China like Malaysia do and that Malaysia is given special privileged to be exemption from paying import tax on EBN.
China abolished import duty on Malaysian EBN probably apply to mainland China port of call only and may not include Hong Kong. HK has it's own tax regime under different administration. Malaysian EBN exported to China via HK probably still using the traditional human porter way to evade tax.
I'm just guessing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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post Dec 19 2009, 09:36 AM

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Any good tips to clean white mold on the nesting plank ? I don't want to brush it off simply for 2 reasons, the spores will be air borne if brushed and it is harmful to our health and it will spread to other areas.

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post Jan 12 2010, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(coolandy @ Jan 12 2010, 07:58 PM)
DSMB,
You are right, very very busy. I wish you the best in your new BH. If successful, don't forget to belanja 1 kopi O, especially to West Wing :-).
chiongguo,

make sure your agreement is done by a good lawyer. Disputes normally come into play when

1. The birdhouse is successful and money comes in sacks

I hope others can contribute ideas.
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I think failure also can spark of disputes when partners finger pointing each other such as " Sudah 1 tahun, tahi pun tak ada, ini semua kerja kau, kita bayar je konsultan 30 ribu, janji masuk burung, apa kata kau ?
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post Jan 15 2010, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Jan 15 2010, 10:12 AM)
They should understand that the industry has risks, and not everyone makes it good in 2-3 years.
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Fixed !!

I really doubt newly built BH on agri land can achieve a meaningful harvest within the fist 2 years to justify any fees or rates imposed by PBT.
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post Jan 18 2010, 11:02 AM

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Dear sifu,

What is there proper way to clean and eliminate the white mold/fungus on the nesting plank ??
Is there any dedicated cleaning agent for this purpose ?
How to clean it without making the spore gets air borne ? Using a damp clothe to wipe it ?
Mold/fungus can be harmful to some allergic sensitive person if inhaled.
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post Jan 18 2010, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 18 2010, 12:54 PM)
Someone with formula on it may wish to answer this as this problem has been with us for a long time as long as we are using the Taiwanese humidifiers and the humidity must be high and temperature warm...excellent for fungus growing, too.

As for me, nowaday, I use a steel brush to clean the plank which is not the best way but I don't know of any perfect method of cleaning fungus off the planks.

By the way, I don't know if the spores are harmful or not but then, I must have inhaled alot by now and I am still OK and the recent Med C is still good. Better safe than regret later so best if someone has a solution for it.

Maybe, we have new inventors here wishing to do research into this as there are money to be made here but it must be safe for the swiftlet and that the swiftlets must love the anti fungus solution......otherwise, I rather leave it as it is and lots of nests activities. My personal  opinion on the matter.
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I tried to brush it off too in the first place but upon seeing millions of spores gets air borne when my head light shinning thru it, I stopped brushing it. If there is no better way to clean it on site, I guess the worse case scenario would be replacing the plank.

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post Jan 18 2010, 06:50 PM

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Raymond,

No need to spend so much for the bird call gadget. After all, u only need it less than 10 times. Use your car stereo instead. Just buy 2 Motorola quality piezo tweeters about RM10 and a 4 meters long speaker cable. Make a parallel connection between the tweeters and the car speakers and then place the tweeters on top of your car. Voila !! your are done.

If your car stereo doesn't play MP3 file or without USB port, here are the 2 cheapo but effective solutions:
1) Rip the MP3 file to wave file burn it to CD
2) Easiest way...buy a FM modulator (RM30-RM50) and plug the USB thumb drive directly.


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QUOTE(Raymondetc @ Jan 18 2010, 05:37 PM)

A very wild idea, anybody tried this in a BH b4? i used a similar unit in my room  tongue.gif
http://www.sharp.com.my/images/56590-1614-AIRPURIFIER.pdf

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doh.gif doh.gif

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post Jan 19 2010, 12:28 AM

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To prevent fungus is to lower the BH humidity, simple answer in theory but difficult to apply it physically. There is no way we can prevent spores from entering our BH unless we seal off the BH entirely. Even Sifu WW have to deal with fungus problem. Now we all know the answer of fungus prevention but we still do not know how to clean it "safely" when there are fungus on the nesting planks. Let's brainstorm:
1) Replacing the effected planks. 100% safe and effective ?
2) brush off + use the vacuum cleaner with hepa filter. 70% ?
3) Wipe it with a damp clothe. 50%?
4) I tried to burn it with those pistol like lighter but the mold doesn't catch fire. It just turned to yellowish colour.
5) Any odourless chemical that can kill off fungi ?

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post Jan 19 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Jan 19 2010, 03:54 AM)
Dear aeiou228,
Pls share-lah, why difficult to apply? Timer problem? Need 85% ALL the time?
If it is to be limited to current practice for discussion, can't contribute -lah, got no BH experience.
Maybe there is an element of prevention here as after you've found a 'safe' (from health perspective) way to clean it,  you still have to prevent recurrence? No?

My apologies I may have gone off tangent. Out of habit-lah, when brainstorming & thru practice, I do not make a conscious decision of what can or cannot. I just say what comes to mind, the more outlandish the better. List them all down and each of us look at the pts no matter how silly at 1st impression, we assume each pt works and discuss the implementation. The idea is to make a silly suggestion work. Sometimes it's known as a guided way to thinking out of the box. Works better with people unrelated to the subject matter.
If that is not what you meant, I misunderstood.

I'll jump in if no BH specific knowlege applies.

For my benefit, do yr walls near the NP with fungi have the fungi?
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Dear Cergau,

The topic of humidity control had been discussed at length and repeatedly in the past postings. In order to observe the forum etiquette, I try not to raise the same topic yet again in this thread. Anyway, a very brief summary of the past discussions about humidity control are the benefit of Hygrostat, mist spray system, Taiwan's humidifier, ultrasonic humidifier, VH opening control and Chiongguo very own maintenance free humidity control system ( any update Chiongguo ?). But of course any new out of the box ideas are most well come.

My BH has no humidity enhanced system whatsoever, but the lowest natural humidity reading ever recorded was 80%, the highest was "MAX" as displayed on the hygrometer. Molds was spotted on a selected planks only but not the walls. I'm currently searching for suitable electric dehumidifier to solve the high humid issue.
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QUOTE(Cergau @ Jan 19 2010, 02:39 PM)
WW, thks.

aeiou228,
Fire
I figured fire which you have tried turns it a diff colour, I will presume already toasted?
But it doesnt come off easily without hard scrubbing? As WW mentioned, can it be left alone w/o disturbing the birds?
Instead of a lighter , can you try a bigger fire power like as in picture here?
I think, if flame is applied evenly throughout the all plank and not just the fungal parts, you may have a chance to toast even the spore that are about to germinate. Also the heat will 'treat' & dry the NP somewhat? But I think it will leave some residual smell with unknown effect on the birds?


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Thanks for the input Cergau,

Yes, initially I thought using fire will do the trick but it does not work out as I thought in practical. Even by using a small lighter will burn the wood fiber first before the mold turn yellowish.
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Thank you for the link Tweeter.
The link does provide some useful info about mold and it also high lighted mold is very dangerous and harmful to human health.
We know very well that mold prevention is to lower the humidity but on the other hand we want the BH to have high humidity. Therefore mold growth in BH is an inevitable problem that most BH owners have to deal with and that leads to why I want to discuss about cleaning mold with safety precautionary measures. So far, I have not come across any such discussion either in blogs, forum nor books. Hope experts here can contribute.


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What are the possible reasons eggs dropped to the floor ??
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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Jan 31 2010, 01:52 PM)
About swiftlets... recently discussed about cctv. the reason i want to install the cctv is for both security & observation... a friend familiar with thse gadgets (and has experience installing such systems for banks/hypermarkets) suggested i use those that can erm... rotate & zoom. but the cost was rather erm... high. Now i'm fantasizing a mobile camera on a remote controlled car so i can view the birds anywhere in the house.  T.T
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The rotate & zoom IR camera is over kill and not practical in BH environment. The cost of a remote rotating and zooming high end IR camera can be equivalent to several units of standard IR camera, therefore it make more sense to install 4 standard IR cam at 4 diff locations and view it 4 channels simultaneously in one screen.
As for you fantasized camera on remote controlled car, my prediction is....sekali you touch the joystick abit, your screen immediately display an unfocused wall...then you touch again, the display show another dunno what blur image.....touch again....got the target but senget pulak sweat.gif sweat.gif Got this experience when adjusting and tilting IR camera in my BH.

QUOTE(Cergau @ Jan 31 2010, 04:59 PM)
aeiou228,
I recall someone mentioned that the eggs may be 'stillborn/dead' so the birds reject them.
Also someone suggested bouncing them, it ought to bounce like ping-pong ball.
Just my recollection, not experience.
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jan 31 2010, 08:44 PM)
When the egg is bad............or if the nest is done in a rush as the formal one being harvested.............when the bird plan to start a family, inside their body, the two eggs will begin to grow larger and will harden in time decide before hand and since their nest has been stolen, they will try to build one as fast as possible and about a finger and a half and then lay an egg, then they will build alittle bigger to accommodate the other eggs due in 3 days time and there is no way to stop the egg for coming..............so next time when you harvest fresh unused nest, think alittle for the poor swiftlets couple who are planing for their babies to be borned when there are enough food for their babies.
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Thanks, I thought it was the work of lizard.

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post Feb 1 2010, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Feb 1 2010, 09:53 AM)
Good recommendation.  Since you are a expert in electronics, may I ask the followings.

Do  infra ray camera or ultrasonic oscillation of a ultrasonic humidifier disturb the bird in any way?

Or any Sifu in the field can pls. advice.
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I'm no expert in electronics but just sharing my experience here.
The IR camera will auto switch to Infra Red mode when the surrounding is dark enough. From our naked eyes, we can't see the IR ray accept the LED's red dots in the IR camera. The birds never bother about the existence of IR camera in my BH.
As for the ultrasonic humidifier, I didn't use it, can't offer any comment about it.
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post Feb 1 2010, 11:32 PM

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Successful test call is when a cloud of birds circulating in the sky on top of the test call site.Best time to test is in the evening. There are a lot of test call videos in youtube. the most famous one is this:


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