WW,
Hate to be the cynic again. You may get away with it on a small scale with the guano idea.
If ever you go big time, you'll be stepping on the toes of 'suppliers' who does nothing but supply fertiliser to the govt at preferential prices. Certain ministries give out free fertiliser to the smallholders every year. Who is to complain about the price when you get it free? Also quite a bit walk away in shipment too. Instead of being a hero and conferred a datukship for service to the country, your birdhouse will probably get raided for illegal manufature of fertiliser.

Like I suggested, if we make the assumption that the parties to the guidelines revision each work within current legal framework, most of the expended energy will be on how they are to work together without overstepping their precious jurisdiction. Or more importantly each other's toes. Without passing new laws or gazzetting new executive orders I forsee just putting Perhilitan staff into the PBT office if they so inclined to be nice & setup the 1 stop centres. It will just be a logistic convenience for us & maybe some cosmetic changes to the guideline per se. Simplified process.... maybe if they are colocated at the same premises, you get to fill in your name & ic nos less number of times at best.
After 10 years of each of us carrying a chip embedded IC, not a single govt dept (in personal experience anyway) bothers to get a chip reader to capture yr particulars but instead make you fill out paper forms. Maybe 1 day when we get sophisticated enuff I will sue the govt for conditioning me into a chronic cynic. Some may accuse me of just complaining & not offering up any solutions.... I am too embarrassed to do so in this particular instance & I may sound really condescending in the process.
Now that I am on the roll again at 5Am (can't sleep..having night mares that instead of many birds I get a giant one that make tyre size nest) They were like transformers, coming together & then becoming 1. I just dun know how to renovate the the birdhouse I dun own yet.
I just want to share this piece of item that I picked up in boredom on TV.
We have a Institut Perkasam located somehere in Lenggong Perak. (serious)
I am waiting for it to be upgraded to university status & so I may apply to do a MBA there.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jan 5 2010, 05:48 AM

Those who are ask to apply for lesen may face difficult situation unless the proposed reccommendations become a National Law or otherwise, by supplying the local government will all information on your BHs is to tell them that you are running a BH on the upper floors of your building. BY doing so is to give the right to issue you summon for the construction and renovation of BH without approval. You have signed tha application and admitted that you are having a BH and they have all the proofs they need to take action....even photograph of the building provided by yourself.

If you didn't supply them with the information on your building, they cannot take action against you because they cannot act on suspicion alone and they need proofs to take you to court and you have provided them with all they need in your application for lesen.

Either way may mean dead to your BH but hope they are sincere in wanting to give you the lesen for BH.

Last year, the Local Authorities here asked all the BHs to apply for Lesen and all did as required and recently, the YTP issued a order to a few of the BHs owners to stop the activity(BH) within a month or otherwise face a fine of Rm500 per day........................ the local BirdHouse Association have approached and appealed to the YTP to grant us time until the federal Government make a decision on the matter and hope that he allow us the time and also that the Fed. has mercy on the town@BHs and allow us to survive. We would like to thank a Dato from K.T for the assistance rendered to us in the matter.

So, make sure that the authorities are sincere of wanting to grant you a lesen and not "pura pura sahaja"..........

Seems like becoming a norm in doing business in this country.

You want to follow proper procedures, legal ways and proper channel, the system will lead you to commit your own suicide.

The system prefer you to belakang mari, get sodomised, baru boleh makan mah?

Swiftlet industry illegals? Listen to Ong Ka Ting bro Ong Ka Chuan said just less than 2 yrs ago when he was a Housing Minister ... 'swiflet farming is allowed at commercial shoplots' Illegal are those in residence housing. GAHP guidelines also stated the same.

Now they say 90% of bhs are 'illegal' with no license?!

Who dares to apply license any more as they basically tell you to walk to the chamber and hang yourself?

No wonder many migrate, selling shares, transfer funds overseas include one of the richest tychoon or tyfoon Robert Kuok, selling all this shares and say bye-bye good luck to his mother land ...

They say never mind, foreigners come come cheap sales come invest and buy up the nation. Unknowingly selling away own mother land unfortunately.

West Wing, Cergau & Bobby C... all mentioned the same grouses... poor governance of the industry. Both sides of the political divide should give the proper support. Despite our current PM stating obvious support to the industry... the deliverance is still to be seen. Also where does the monet allocated inthe 2010 budget for the swiftlet industry go... we all must be wary of these things.

I posted a comment on this site;

http://www.selangorkini.com.my/my/berita/8238

but it looks like the moderator didn't give consent. Why go overseas when we have our own local expertise. Don't go to consultants... go to BH owners (well, some are consultants).

Also just realised that that KSW was the Pengerusi of PUSHPIAM... and at the same time owner of aeroswift consultancy. I can't fail to see that the JV between the two is blantantly because of his position.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jan 6 2010, 06:07 PM

It's so normal.......................if France has BHs, they will visit France to learn about BHs there. Locally, where got fun lah......biasa, pergi luar negeri sambilan cuti. Indonesia is coming here to buy our nest cos our nests fetch higher price in China and I think that must be that we are more modern and advance in construction of BH or that our Malaysian birds are cleaner and make bigger and whiter nests.... possibility tau!!!

To ensure our success, our PM must be strong and be able to tell all heads of states to sit down, listen and obey...........otherwise sini cakap, sana sengaja lupa or can't be bother ............

With so much money allocated for the industry, someone must know how to get to the money and don't tell that it is only for the BUMI!!!! Berilah untok semua demi masa depan Malaysia kami. Anyone know how to apply for the fund or loan lah?



About Birds....they are coming back already and should be going to do their work very soon if situation allow and that is the insects(food) must be closeby for the chicks to survive. So, if you know about the flight of insects, we are in business......

Todays news, looks like the GAHP will come out later this month.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4483&sec=nation

I don't really understand the term heritage zone or how they classify it as such, but i wish they would turn things around by stating that SSP's are part and parcel of the word heritage as well. It's common knowledge that our Chinese Malaysians were the ones who started off the industry here.

I agree, the funds should be distributed wisely and solely for the benefit of the industry. Thats why i have always said... pour the wrong advice to these politicians... and habislah.

Dunsun,
Ref the Star article:
If it is to be tabled by end of Jan at Cabinet level & gazetted by end March, it is obviously in circulation already in some official circles. It sounds positive in terms of speed of completion of the guidelines especially boosted by the statement in Melaka of the right of the state to refer to Unesco’s Committee on World Heritage Site. That means the guidelines as in current form does not specifically differentiate heritage & non-heritage areas. So Penang & Melaka will refer to Unesco to make the call for them. There's money involved as UNESCO fund heritage areas maintenance. By extension shophouse are OK since those heritage areas are mostly shophouse areas? (pls note that this is a question).
Before anyone go jumping with joy, again please note that these are my own reading of the statement in the paper article. (ie my guess only).

As to the money allocated in the budget for the BN industry???? I recall the overall sum were provided to 'develop' certain industries including BN. Dont know which agency was entrusted with the money, but like I have stated before, during the exclusive Paya Indah 'workshop' giving out of money was mentioned. Another sad day if the money was to be given out to build birdhouses. Develop has limited meaning in M'sia, it means, build, construct building/s for politician/s to have their pictures taken for the papers. I wish that I will be proven wrong this time, that will be the best gift to Malaysia for the new year.

According to our PM's speech;
(item 4, for agriculture development)

Develop food farming industry such as fruits, vegetables, organic
farming, herbs, seaweeds and swiftlet nests with an allocation of
RM149 million

It should be a substantial amount??? Minus RM100m for the ministry & departments entertainment/meetings/press conferences/ceremonies/perasmians/useless sample BH projects/useless technology imported from God knows where/setting up of dysfunctional task forces/overseas visit to the Sahara dessert to learn about swiftlet ranching methods from nomads/ridiculous consultancy fees to con-sultants and a long list of INEFFICIENT, WASTEFUL & CLEAR ABUSE of funds... would leave the industry... a pittance (sorry ah, just continuing to enhance Cergau's point... which also means we have to be wary of such things).

I am sure Cergau is aware of that proposed National Level Bumi Association... either perhilitan is planning to manipulate such an organization to secure funds thus influencing the industry... we have yet to see. Associations should work WITH agencies, not work FOR. This should be clear.

Ha Ha Ha Ha.....Welcome to the real world world!!!!

I would be happy to have my BHs intact and leave all the fund for them all.......otherwise, with no meat elsewhere, where do you think they will go for their fresh meat...yours and mine.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jan 7 2010, 06:39 PM

Omg!! They can take my excess flab if they want!!!

I heard from some Indonesian friends... there are no such redtape, nuisances or much gov inteference over there... but in place of that there are lots of pecah masuk/tebuk gedung walit (evethough the walls are so damn thick).

looking at the current politic scenario, i have a feeling that all the promises, fund and guideline that is in the pipeline is just for show and keep you in bay till the next general election.

the politician are so busy with their own game right now.

Like I said, I wish to be proved wrong just for 1 instance. We do not know, to whom the money is entrusted to & how they plan to 'develop' the BN industry. Here i am wondering who the BN industry players are? Isnt the money to develop the industry for you & I? Your assessment may be correct as to the disbursement to their cronies.
This is akin to upon being given some money to develop the car industry instead of doing what's good for the industry, like funding local Us to develop new alternative propulsion or fuel, develop new market etc.. they spend the money on developing a new internal combustion engined car with god-knows-who to compete with Proton. Has anyone here been consulted as to what is required to 'develop' the industry to greater heights? I recall some figures we shared here as such that becomes the deliverable of the budget wouldn't you think so? So, who will be monitoring the implementation? Who will be accountable? Where's the KPI. Are they the expert? Can only happen in Malaysia.
Also closer to our immediate concern... where's the guideline? It's meant for us to comply with, so pls have the courtesy to at least brief us, if not out of respect for the fact that the budget money is our money. I know I have been cursing some govt depts & I know that they are not all bad. Just them bloody politicians!!! and appointees who interfere in the depts. Bear with me as I have to bear with you. Fair? It;s partly your fault if you let them ride you.

My previous suggestion to build BH for our asli bros who now harvest the BN in the wild may fit their function of safe guarding a protected specie. But to build more BH in direct competition with existing ones? I am not so gullible to think my suggestion may be the only one, but have the courtesy to tell me if otherwise.
I am new at this biz, anyone from our supporting govt agencies here in this forum that is suppose to help me? I having been paying income tax the last 28 years, road tax the last 20, I pay toll when I travel, I pay when I piss and crap. Can I have some of my money back? If you cant help me, can I have some of the budget money so I may help myself?

First They want me to scrap my old junk of a car, now they want me to pay petrol by cc? I think I will buy a motorbike take way the petrol tank & put in my car petrol tank. 100cc mah! Some more must show IC-ah? Can't they implement the IC checks at the border town stations? Do we have 100,000 petrol stations at the border towns? This govt is a serious health hazard. I dont know which will take me first. Dying from dehydration from alternately crying & laughing too much or heart attack/stroke from reading another idea that is more stupid than the last

Incidentally I visited an asli in Dengil who owns 1 1/2 BHs. 1 solely owned under construction and another already operational shared with a partner. It was a site visit arranged by the supplier to see the precast wall panels used.

PS Dunsun, I like your pirate duck.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Jan 9 2010, 12:20 AM

haish... thats something we have to accept, maybe when the time comes oppose. the government sure knows how to 'gula-gula' the people (they've been doing it for a while now).

thanks Cergau... that duck is now my driving force to do what i can for the industry. go duck go!!!

if we're talking about help from agencies... i'd prefer DVS. I recently found out that certain individuals form another agency are acting as 'consultants' instead of a public servant. More surprising... the material used was taken from sources outside the agency... i compared some notes & pics... they were more or less the same. No matter. Not that important, just wanted to share.

Yes, the budget money is our money. I just wish DVS would have the common sense to post the draft publicly for people to give input & opinions (we'll definitely have a field day screwing them, but with basis).

Well,
Not to specifically screw them , to be fair give them credit when it's due lah. But then if it;s not make known before hand how to give them credit? I would think it's better to listen to us behind closed doors than to have folks here screwing them publicly. We are not unreasonable people here. In polite society, it's known as 'feedback'.

PLEA to DVS[U]
Please , please DVS if you are reading this to remember that it is to develop the industry, not just an amicable agreement amongst govt agencies to regulate the industry only.
Remember we are the customers. In drawing up your KPI, you will obviously have put us in as a stakeholder, No?
I wouldnt wish you having to redo this exercise repeatedly in the full glare of the public & the higher ups.
Please share the draft with us for feedback. More brains the better.
We only aim to make the guidelines better the first time and not having to redo this. Can you imagine the time lost in the bureaucracy crawl?
You may have sent the draft to the related agencies and awaiting their feedback which I am sure is still 'under consideration'. Please do not wait till the last minute ie after all agency feedback.
Please let us have a go at it too. You save time this way.
I come from 30 years in a corp world so I humbly think I know what I am talking about.
We can view it behind closed door onsite & an undertaking to not reveal until cabinet approval.
We will not take any material out. We can sign a black and white undertaking.
Please PM me if this is feasible & preferably reasons if not. Remember I am volunteering my time to help.
Come on DVS, pick up my challenge to do this right the 1st time. 1Malaysia, 1Time?
You have my commitment and I am sure all here.

Hehe... give credit when appropriate, give criticism when deemed necessary... or feedback as you said. Thats what we've been doing... some may think its a futile effort... i say its the least we can do. That idea, i've mentioned to DVS officers, but low ranking ones. Maybe we should email the higher ups.

As an aside, anyone know what has happened to Ben Chai? I enjoyed his writing when I was catching up from V1. Would be nice to have him drop by soon. He kinda bring in some fresh air in this serious, stuffy, often repeated subjects of complaints of which I am most chronic.

Not only Ben Chai but many pioneers are missing in action...possibilities are many.......some are fed up, some given up and many other reasons and some even just ignore here as they have setup bloc or site of their own....and lastly some are getting rich and famous and need to be paid to give advice or recommendation.

Only left are a few old die hard guards like me with no way else to go but stay or just stay for the sake for the swiftlets' future plus a little of my own future in it as well. I will know when I am not needed but till then I shall stay for the sake of the newbiz and friends so that they will have a better start and shorter problematic growing stage and spead the good of providing best sanctuaries for the swiftlets for the betterment of both human and swiftlets. Remember that selfish and greed will get you no future and if it doesn't get to you, it may get to your future generations. Good comes from the good thing that we do and bad does bring harm and I believe in it, do you?

Enough of that, cos I speak like a preacher or someone may want to throw birdshit at me.

Anyway, I hope that they will pay us a visit/post once in a while when they have time and I wish them well, success and may they have everything they hope for.

Yes, I am a believer of "Good thinking, good intention and good deed will bring good things, good luck and prosperity to the one who believes and practises ".

May what you do here in helping and guiding newbies bring more birds and more nests into your BH and also live a thousand years to enjoy good life and prosperity the birds bring to you too.

This post has been edited by Tweeter: Jan 10 2010, 01:21 PM

Yeah... i miss his words too. Got a lot of motivation from his and WW ramblings. Some getting rich and being paid... should be ok if their services are good. No worries la WW, to me you are my preacher regarding swiftlets. >.<

I believe so too. I wish all the best for all of us in our crusade to improve the industry. Flight delayed, the inet connection here is slow... nak tulis banyak pun sakit hati slow transfer.

By the way WW, if you dont mind, can u kindly list the blogs?

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Jan 10 2010, 08:04 PM

http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file...660&sec=central

just read the paper online . not only swiftlet industry is affected. Even legal business like cyber cafes owners are having the same sort of problems.
I even got news from friends who runs a Facial and Beauty shops also have the same problems...

this nation is really worst than Indonesia as far i can think of.