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 Stock market V21, Huge Stimulus Age

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SUSDavid83
post Mar 11 2009, 03:50 PM

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KLCI lost 5.42 points!
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post Mar 11 2009, 03:57 PM

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hmm knm today x liao i thought the price should drop liao?
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post Mar 11 2009, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 11 2009, 03:50 PM)
KLCI lost 5.42 points!
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Lolz.. what a joke of the day ... Rally turns opposite


Added on March 11, 2009, 4:09 pm
QUOTE(mo_meng @ Mar 11 2009, 03:57 PM)
hmm knm today x liao i thought the price should drop liao?
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LCL is really going holand ... how come ? hmm.gif

ohmy.gif Just dont understand


Added on March 11, 2009, 4:10 pmadui... now head pain liao ... going to shut this pc down and refresh up a bit .. see you guys the next day ..

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yea.. KLCI really.. speechless.. =.=''
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post Mar 11 2009, 04:15 PM

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Before That, Some Gigantic Discovery For you All

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Published: Wednesday March 11, 2009 MYT 9:25:00 AM
Updated: Wednesday March 11, 2009 MYT 9:28:02 AM
Madoff will plead guilty, faces 150 years in jail

NEW YORK: Disgraced financier Bernard Madoff unexpectedly revealed Tuesday that he will plead guilty to all charges - without a plea deal - and face a prison sentence of up to 150 years for swindling billions of dollars in one of the largest investment schemes in U.S. history.

An attorney for the 70-year-old former Nasdaq chairman told the judge during what was expected to be a routine hearing that he intends to plead guilty this week to all 11 felony counts, including securities fraud and perjury.

Madoff is accused of running a gigantic pyramid scheme, defrauding billions of dollars from retirees, charities, school trusts and even Holocaust survivors.

Madoff, who wears a bulletproof vest, arrived more than three hours before the hearing in an attempt by authorities to avoid confrontations with investors.

Several lawyers for investors showed up as spectators, but the courtroom was largely packed with reporters.

Madoff buttoned his jacket and straightened it as he rose from his seat to speak. Aside from occasionally speaking with his lawyers or writing on a sheet of paper in front of him, he looked forward.

Asked by the judge if Madoff would plead guilty Thursday, his attorney Ira Sorkin said: "I think that's a fair expectation."

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin asked Sorkin if Madoff would plead guilty to all 11 counts.

"Yes your honor," Sorkin answered. Madoff slumped back in his chair during the exchange.

Chin said he would not sentence Madoff for several months after Thursday's hearing.

In court documents, prosecutors revealed some details of how the fraud was carried out since the 1980s, saying Madoff hired many people with little or no training or experience in the securities industry to serve as a "back office" for his investment advisory business.

Madoff generated or had employees generate "tens of thousands of account statements and other documents through the U.S. Postal Service, operating a massive Ponzi (pyramid) scheme," prosecutors said.

The money wasn't invested, but was used by Madoff, his business and others, prosecutors said.

Authorities said he confessed to his family that he had carried out a $50 billion fraud. In court documents filed Tuesday, prosecutors raised the size of the fraud to $64.8 billion, saying Madoff's records falsely claimed that amount was in 4,800 client accounts in November.

Experts say the actual loss was more likely much less and that higher numbers reflect false profits he promised investors.

So far, authorities have located about $1 billion for jilted investors.

Prosecutors reserved the right to pursue more than $170 billion in criminal forfeiture, according to court documents.

That represents the total amount of money that could be connected to the fraud, not the amount stolen or lost.

In his own court filing Tuesday, Sorkin said the government's forfeiture demand of $177 billion was "grossly overstated - and misleading - even for a case of this magnitude."

"The purpose of this letter is not to minimize Mr. Madoff's culpability. However, we wish to notify the court that the issues related to forfeiture, restitution and sentencing in this matter are highly complex and will require extensive time to resolve and warrant discovery to the defense," Sorkin wrote.

Sorkin said Madoff had paid redemptions to investors, "a number likely in the billions."

At least 25 Madoff investors have asked to speak Thursday under provisions allowing victims of crime to appear at a plea hearing.

Chin said he would limit investors who want to speak to those who challenge whether the plea should be accepted or whether Madoff should be allowed to remain on bail pending sentencing.

"There is no plea bargain here. Those victims who objected to a plea bargain no longer have a reason to object," Chin said.

Attorney Jerry Reisman, who represents more than a dozen Madoff investors, predicted the plea hearing would be "a zoo."

"I will tell you my clients are outraged by his being able to escape with a guilty plea," he said.

But Chin told prosecutors to limit the number of victims who will speak in court and make sure they conduct themselves in a "respectful and dignified manner."

Madoff was charged with securities, investment adviser, mail and wire frauds along with money laundering, making false statements, perjury, making a false filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, theft from an Employee Benefit Plan and two counts of international money laundering.

The charges "reflect an extraordinary array of crimes committed by Bernard Madoff for over 20 years," U.S. Attorney Lev L. Dassin said in a release.

"While the alleged crimes are not novel, the size and scope of Mr. Madoff's fraud are unprecedented."

In addition to prison time, he said Madoff faces mandatory restitution to victims, forfeiture of ill-gotten gains and criminal fines.

He also noted that the government has not entered into any agreement with Madoff about his plea or sentencing and that the filing of the charges do not end the matter. "Our investigation is continuing," Dassin said.

Tuesday's hearing was supposed to center on Madoff's agreement to waive any potential conflicts of interest involving his attorney, Sorkin.

Madoff, speaking softly, acknowledged that Sorkin might be conflicted in his loyalties if his case ever went to trial because Sorkin's family had invested more than $900,000 with Madoff and because Sorkin once represented two accountants linked to Madoff in a securities action.


Enjoyment for Billionaire doing come to justice!!
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post Mar 11 2009, 04:32 PM

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Zelan is riding a submarine...

0.510!

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post Mar 11 2009, 04:41 PM

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Ya.. this counter get hit so bad.. rclxub.gif
Theres a new research paper on Zelan from Jupiter.
Attached File  Zelan.pdf ( 271.2k ) Number of downloads: 73


QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Mar 11 2009, 04:32 PM)
Zelan is riding a submarine...

0.510!
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post Mar 11 2009, 04:50 PM

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wow wat a report .. bad


Added on March 11, 2009, 4:50 pmgoing to be less than 0.5 soon

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post Mar 11 2009, 05:03 PM

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speechless, regional market green, we red =|
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:07 PM

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Thanks for the report!

QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 11 2009, 04:41 PM)
Ya.. this counter get hit so bad..  rclxub.gif
Theres a new research paper on Zelan from Jupiter.
Attached File  Zelan.pdf ( 271.2k ) Number of downloads: 73

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post Mar 11 2009, 05:18 PM

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everyone know how to buy usa stock ?

i wan buy citigroup >?

anyone can advise me

thanks.
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:19 PM

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New lows are achieved for many counters everyday..... lower than the Oct 08 lows.....

No eyes see except for UCHITEC.... can open eye small small..... sweat.gif
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(shoduken @ Mar 11 2009, 05:03 PM)
speechless, regional market green, we red =|
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we red coz Europe start falling again....start with HSBC bla bla....(banking)..

tomorrow should see more red...our FKLI already 45 degree since morning heading south...

us futures already heading south....

either lagging coz got profit and run...( don't hold and buy cheaper later..) die die slowly...

and later we run out fund...no $$$ to push the rally...
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Mar 11 2009, 05:19 PM)
New lows are achieved for many counters everyday..... lower than the Oct 08 lows.....

No eyes see except for UCHITEC.... can open eye small small.....  sweat.gif
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haha same same .. axreit also hang there no drop rclxms.gif
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:28 PM

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today all red. what happen?
60b stimulus plan fail ?
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(peng123 @ Mar 11 2009, 05:18 PM)
everyone know how to buy usa stock ?

i wan buy citigroup >?

anyone can advise me

thanks.
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can use your m'sian investment bank to buy usa stock, just fill cross border trading acc.. juz the commission rate way too high for us since in USD...eg osk,cimb,rhb
either open oversea broker ...eg thinkorswim.com, barnes&noble & others. commission rate very cheap..(just google)

NOTE:- i thought share price < 1.00 USD over 30 days period will be delisted in USA..becareful!!!


maybe the rebound of CITIB..K just overnight only, coz the CEO memo noted that got profit this 2 month, not official result...just wait after quarterly result this april...

can get burn a lot later..hahaha

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post Mar 11 2009, 05:34 PM

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went out just after 11am..and now back..KNM red liao.. so many counters red..

QUOTE(vexus @ Mar 11 2009, 05:28 PM)
today all red. what happen?
60b stimulus plan fail ?
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told ya, 60B plan failed miserably.

If those money cannot channeled directly to the rakyat, then the stimulus package is considered - FAILED!
Ask the rakyat, did the stimulus plan will improve their living.
At least the govt should consider tax cuts and reduction in utility bills like electricity, phone bill...
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:36 PM

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Normally they will channel the money to their own pocket first. Rakyat? They don't really care...

QUOTE(Ranny @ Mar 11 2009, 05:34 PM)
went out just after 11am..and now back..KNM red liao.. so many counters red..
told ya, 60B plan failed miserably.

If those money cannot channeled directly to the rakyat, then the stimulus package is considered - FAILED!
Ask the rakyat, did the stimulus plan will improve their living.
At least the govt should consider tax cuts and reduction in utility bills like electricity, phone bill...
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post Mar 11 2009, 05:48 PM

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I believe many people who thought market rally today and bought counters in the morning sure got heart attack in the late afternoon. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Freelancer @ Mar 11 2009, 05:48 PM)
I believe many people who thought market rally today and bought counters in the morning sure got heart attack in the late afternoon.  unsure.gif
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I didn't buy this morning. Too green. Wait for it drop. Then afternoon 3pm+, quickly queue to spend some bullets. Keeping for medium/long term. sweat.gif

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