The only choice go for 1L turbo engine or myvi 1.3L engine that is good enough.
Swap engine for Kelisa, Creating a Kelisa GTi/Cooper...
Swap engine for Kelisa, Creating a Kelisa GTi/Cooper...
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Dec 2 2011, 02:11 PM
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The only choice go for 1L turbo engine or myvi 1.3L engine that is good enough.
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Dec 3 2011, 04:25 PM
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Hi guys, I need your suggestions and opinions...
I just went to a workshop where people in my place transplant engines. The mech give me a quote, labour charge for both K3-VE and VET are the same. The mech suggest me to get turbo. I asked him, "won't turbo consumes more petrol?" He said, depends on your driving style, which I agree. And he added something, he said, turbo actually helps to save fuels, as you don't have to stomp more accelerator to get power, especially when you're uphill or heavy loaded. Any kelisa with yrv turbo users here? Mind to share some thoughts and FC??? Thanks |
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Dec 3 2011, 05:28 PM
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to a certain extent what ur mech said is true....as the engine needs less effort (hence fuel) to push the car.
i once met a guy who had a 1.8 GSR turbo in his wira... and his fuel consumption was even better than my 1.6 B16A VTEC N/A |
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Dec 3 2011, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 3 2011, 05:28 PM) to a certain extent what ur mech said is true....as the engine needs less effort (hence fuel) to push the car. I see... I believe what the mech said is unbias because he won't be making extra money if I get VET, the labour charge is still the same, and he doesn't sell halfcuts. My place has many uphills, so I believe what he said is really true for my condition...i once met a guy who had a 1.8 GSR turbo in his wira... and his fuel consumption was even better than my 1.6 B16A VTEC N/A But turbo has higher maintenance... Can anyone tell me how expensive it's? What extra things needed to be serviced compared with NA??? |
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Dec 3 2011, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Dec 3 2011, 06:22 PM) I see... I believe what the mech said is unbias because he won't be making extra money if I get VET, the labour charge is still the same, and he doesn't sell halfcuts. My place has many uphills, so I believe what he said is really true for my condition... actually NA and turbo maintenance almost same with the basic stuff, the difference is when u want to change hardware..........errrrr the turbo for example, if that gets damaged, of course you'll need to change it, whereas in NA u don't, because it doesn't have a turbo to begin with. if u drive it like a civilized person, won't have any problems, but if u drive like a mad man and full rev everywhere u go, of course things will go wrong very quicklyBut turbo has higher maintenance... Can anyone tell me how expensive it's? What extra things needed to be serviced compared with NA??? |
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Dec 3 2011, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Dec 3 2011, 06:22 PM) But turbo has higher maintenance... Can anyone tell me how expensive it's? What extra things needed to be serviced compared with NA??? agree with storm... alot of people have the misconception that turbo will consume more fuel or have higher maintainance....which is NOT true if the engine is well looked after.basic servicing is the same for NA or turbo. just the repairs might cost more since turbo has more parts compared to NA just like the example that storm mentioned. |
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Dec 3 2011, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Dec 3 2011, 06:43 PM) actually NA and turbo maintenance almost same with the basic stuff, the difference is when u want to change hardware..........errrrr the turbo for example, if that gets damaged, of course you'll need to change it, whereas in NA u don't, because it doesn't have a turbo to begin with. if u drive it like a civilized person, won't have any problems, but if u drive like a mad man and full rev everywhere u go, of course things will go wrong very quickly QUOTE(mADmAN @ Dec 3 2011, 07:01 PM) agree with storm... alot of people have the misconception that turbo will consume more fuel or have higher maintainance....which is NOT true if the engine is well looked after. I am not really a heavy footed person, usually just shift at 2k ~ 3k rpm, sometime 4.5k rpm if it's uphill...very very very very seldom hit more than 5k rpm unless I wanna try things basic servicing is the same for NA or turbo. just the repairs might cost more since turbo has more parts compared to NA just like the example that storm mentioned. So if this kind of driving behaviour get turbo, okay kah? So if normal driving, turbo would not consumes many fuel, does this correct??? I am sick of my current engine already... I think maintenance wise it's still okay...just the tire maybe needs to be changed more often than normal... But yrv turbo doesnt have manual... I don't like the feeling when I'm driving, my left leg is sleeping |
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Dec 11 2011, 10:04 PM
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k3vet is gonna be heavy. You'll start experience more understeer-ing than before. Even standard also got understeer here and there if driven seriously.
things you'll need consideration swapping k3vet: 1. front suspension setup (make it stiff or else you'll be nose-ing all the way) 2. beefier brakes (to cope with that twice power) 3. stiffen the chassis a lil bit (adding strut bar will help) having k3vet will seriously make your ride more enjoyable. Who doesnt want a car that power to weight ratio similar to a Type R with a fraction of the cost (and a fraction of the space LOL ) ? I know I do want. Oh hey, cheaper options would be getting a L700 EFDET half-cut with complete wiring and simply swap the stock head with this L700's. Its gonna be a plug and play. No hassle for Puspakom inspection becus you are still running your own block. Just that you are running 1000cc turbo now. |
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Dec 12 2011, 05:25 PM
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That K3-VET really is powerfull engine.
YRV turbo in kelisa or Kenari when you google it and saw lots of YouTube that shock and fun for fast car he he I can't imaging it. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1994157 This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 12 2011, 05:27 PM |
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Dec 13 2011, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(farique @ Dec 11 2011, 10:04 PM) k3vet is gonna be heavy. You'll start experience more understeer-ing than before. Even standard also got understeer here and there if driven seriously. What do you mean by change the head???? Sound interesting but I never heard this. Anyone can explain???things you'll need consideration swapping k3vet: 1. front suspension setup (make it stiff or else you'll be nose-ing all the way) 2. beefier brakes (to cope with that twice power) 3. stiffen the chassis a lil bit (adding strut bar will help) having k3vet will seriously make your ride more enjoyable. Who doesnt want a car that power to weight ratio similar to a Type R with a fraction of the cost (and a fraction of the space LOL ) ? I know I do want. Oh hey, cheaper options would be getting a L700 EFDET half-cut with complete wiring and simply swap the stock head with this L700's. Its gonna be a plug and play. No hassle for Puspakom inspection becus you are still running your own block. Just that you are running 1000cc turbo now. Added on December 13, 2011, 2:58 pmFor the front suspension, is it okay if I use hi-lo??? Brakes, Myvi brakes for front and rear break disc, is is okay? My car now has UTR 4-point front strut bar...(Not ultra racing This post has been edited by jeenhao: Dec 13 2011, 02:58 PM |
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Dec 13 2011, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Dec 13 2011, 02:56 PM) What do you mean by change the head???? Sound interesting but I never heard this. Anyone can explain??? kelisa's engine is similar to the L700's EFDET. Just that Kelisa's are 1000cc block and without turbocharger. L700 is just 660cc with turbocharger. In layman's term, the two block can swap their heads. 1000cc block with L7 turbo head will do wonders. |
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Dec 13 2011, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(farique @ Dec 13 2011, 06:03 PM) kelisa's engine is similar to the L700's EFDET. Just that Kelisa's are 1000cc block and without turbocharger. L700 is just 660cc with turbocharger. In layman's term, the two block can swap their heads. I ever heard people block kancil with kelisa 1000cc head, and the car would have 1000cc power, some sort like this. So it means, if I use L7 turbo engine's block, my car become 660cc? 1000cc block with L7 turbo head will do wonders. |
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Dec 13 2011, 10:56 PM
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I think for Kenari should be bettery go for k3-VE from myvi, Passo the parts of engine can be share or change the parts from perodua service center.
If swap on K3-VET turbo engine must be higher maintanace and not easy to find the parts. This is Rare & limited engine. But the Hp 140ps wow this is really shock on like drive 1.8cc on Kenari. |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:59 AM
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k3-vet is one of the most overpriced half cuts in Malaysia, if want to do heavy mod like change engine i suggest u to buy a proper car that has tonnes of cheap engine choices to mod. although using k3-vet in a kelisa or kenari the power to weight ratio is great, but the price is totally not worth it. with that kind of price for a half cut, i can get a ke70 with 4agze engine in it and it'll be much more fun
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Dec 14 2011, 06:49 AM
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Yesterday I had called to my car repair boss,
He said the price on Yrv turbo complete in Kenari at Rm6-7k, but not the half cut parts everything can use in Kenari. But I listen and a little bit dissappointed on he told me the YRY dashboard can't fit in Kenari, When I saw in YouTube they can done into Kenari. |
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Dec 14 2011, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Dec 14 2011, 12:59 AM) k3-vet is one of the most overpriced half cuts in Malaysia, if want to do heavy mod like change engine i suggest u to buy a proper car that has tonnes of cheap engine choices to mod. although using k3-vet in a kelisa or kenari the power to weight ratio is great, but the price is totally not worth it. with that kind of price for a half cut, i can get a ke70 with 4agze engine in it and it'll be much more fun What about K3-VE??? Because initially I wish to swap VE not VET... VET is what the mech suggest me... QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 14 2011, 06:49 AM) Yesterday I had called to my car repair boss, I think can be fitted, just need some modification...I saw this in k2oc, can be fitted with modifications. If your car repair boss said cannot, I think is he cannot do it??? He said the price on Yrv turbo complete in Kenari at Rm6-7k, but not the half cut parts everything can use in Kenari. But I listen and a little bit dissappointed on he told me the YRY dashboard can't fit in Kenari, When I saw in YouTube they can done into Kenari. |
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Dec 14 2011, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Dec 14 2011, 07:35 AM) What about K3-VE??? Because initially I wish to swap VE not VET... VET is what the mech suggest me... Cause when I pay for half cut, but this's t can't fit that mean i pay for waste some parts and he just mention can used one, just be install the important thing and the price at around 4.5k only but the labour and wiring near for 2.5k.I think can be fitted, just need some modification...I saw this in k2oc, can be fitted with modifications. If your car repair boss said cannot, I think is he cannot do it??? But the price has include front move bonet with air suction hole. |
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Dec 14 2011, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 14 2011, 07:54 AM) Cause when I pay for half cut, but this's t can't fit that mean i pay for waste some parts and he just mention can used one, just be install the important thing and the price at around 4.5k only but the labour and wiring near for 2.5k. I think at most cases, people buy halfcuts, many parts cannot be used and some are worn off and needed to be changed... Need to find a good halfcut is very hard But the price has include front move bonet with air suction hole. Your labour charge 2.5k includes what? Or just engine transplant only? |
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Dec 14 2011, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Dec 14 2011, 08:43 AM) I think at most cases, people buy halfcuts, many parts cannot be used and some are worn off and needed to be changed... Need to find a good halfcut is very hard Labour with wiring cable and OTR with JPJ approval Your labour charge 2.5k includes what? Or just engine transplant only? After you saw this should be very shock on turbo engine on your kelisa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuk-78iDqY...be_gdata_player This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 14 2011, 09:13 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 14 2011, 08:59 AM) Labour with wiring cable and OTR with JPJ approval Oh man...so cheap......After you saw this should be very shock on turbo engine on your kelisa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIuk-78iDqY...be_gdata_player |
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