Christopher Nolan is not perfect, Movie is not perfect.

Obviously some people like it, and some not. It just like I said Avatar was a boring movie but lot of people said is a great movie. Everyone have their own preference and type of movie.

Inception was another great movie from Christopher Nolan. I get to know Christopher Nolan in the movie The Prestige. It was a great movie that twist and turn, and nice story. Then comes Batman. Batman wasn't a nice movie as it was a bit cartoon before his Batman Begin and Dark Knight.

I like this kind of movie as you need to think and concentrate during the movie. Mystery and guessing around. The idea and story is really good. We don't always see this kind of movie, as I think not many director can do so.

A great movie won't end just after the movie ends. It will be a topic to discuss and you will discuss among your friend to find out more details.

Just go and watch it, then you rate it yourself. If you like The Prestige, this is a must watch movie for you.

I read this website to find out more, not bad..... Check it out

Cobb said he didn't know the time effect that occurs in dreams within dreams, so it's unlikely he could tell when the time was up. Let's just leave it to luck for now.

Yeah but the security in level 1 was far quicker in response and far more liberal in applying lethal force. But as I said I let it slide,.

Nice tidbit: The entire last 40 minutes or so, from the van crashing into the barrier of the bridge to it plunging into the water, lasts only half a second on the plane.

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 18 2010, 09:23 PM

Original storyline. Good stuff. Just have to concentrate on the story else you will be in limbo state when out of cinema.

yeah, protagonists will always have luck in movies

the theater i watched in, the audiences laughed whenever the super slow-mo falling van comes on screen lol

Questions
Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?

This post has been edited by defaultname365: Jul 18 2010, 09:44 PM

u one of the few many who criticize this movie. congrats bro.. too bad nobody gonna give a s*it about your comment and people will continue praise this movie. kthxbye.

HAH! you make me laugh!

Avatar is something original? hahaha
have u ever watch Pocahontas before? the plot is EXACTLY the same!

1. 2 theories: 1 is you return to your supposed age once you realize you are dreaming; 2 is just probably Cobb in denial that they grew old together due to his guilt

2. they did connected to the machine, and probably sedated too(didn't being mentioned in the movie)

3. The totem inside the safe is just a projection of the real totem she used(its more of a symbol than real thing in the dream)

4. They end up in reality (if you take the ending as Cobb is in reality), the Mal who keep on showing up in his missions was a projections of Cobb's subconscious that slipped through the "memory jail" that Cobb built

5. Fischer went into limbo after being shot; Cobb and Ariadne "link" him together with them to assess the limbo, and in the movie its stated that the world of limbo can be shared by those who had been there (Cobb), the reason they used Cobb's layout was because they can find Fischer in the shortest time (Cobb knew the layout), since they are running out of time

6. to explain this we must look at the motives of each "level" of dream:

level 1: to make Fischer think that he and his uncle was being kidnap, and the kidnapper demands the code for his father's secret safe
level 2: to make Fischer think that level 1 is the real world, and in fact it was his uncle who staged the kidnap, to get hold of the secrets in the safe; so Cobb convinced Fischer to dive into his uncle's mind to find out what it is
level 3: Fischer thought this was his uncle's subconscious, but in fact its still his...his father, and the safe, was forged by Eames, to make Fischer think that his father cared for him all these while, and actually wants him to stand on his own, and don't follow his footsteps

7. Saito was in limbo, and since Cobb was connected to Saito in the sinking van, they end up in the same limbo

This post has been edited by dlct87: Jul 18 2010, 10:04 PM

1. & 2.
I think there was a dream device attached to both Cobb and Mal. That's the only way to share a dream. I also believe they used heavy sedatives. Cobb did say they were exploring deeper levels in the dream world.

Here's what I think. Many levels into the dream world, time became extremely slow. In the last dream level they dared to venture in, they basically spent 50 years there, aged, Mal went into a limbo state of mind, Cobb kept his sanity, decided it was enough, and killed themselves. Note that this particular suicide was not shown in the film. They then traversed across the preceding levels, killing themselves in each of them so they could go one level up. Cobb kept count of the number of levels they were in. The suicide on the tracks we see in the film happens when they reach the first level, thus explaining why they were still young when they lay on the tracks. They both wake up in the real world, but Mal, infected by Cobb's inception, refuses to believe this is reality, instead believing she will (always) need to go one more level up to reach reality.

3. True, Mal locked her totem in the safe so she could accept the dream as reality. Cobb took the totem and made it spin indefinitely. Presumably, when Mal opened the safe and saw the indefinite spin, she realized she was still in the dream world. This was Cobb's first inception.

4. When they died on the tracks, they woke up in reality. Mal constantly appears as a malevolent projection of Cobb because Cobb is haunted by his guilt of causing her death, and also because he misses her so much he simply cannot keep her out of his mind. Essentially this means his projection of Mal has become something out of his control. The various "levels of Mal" Ariadne secretly sneaks into are really just memories of Cobb together with Mal. He keeps these memories because this is how he gets to be together with her.

5. This question pertains to the concept of limbo, which I'm really not sure of. The film says Cobb was in limbo before, but as far as I know, only Mal was in limbo. Cobb was always aware he was in a dream. Perhaps by having a dreamer (Mal) in a state of limbo, and by sharing the same dream space, Cobb shares the same limbo as that dreamer, although as said he was always aware it was a dream. Limbo is said to be a vast empty space of nothingness in which the dreamer-in-limbo perceives as reality. Things only appear in it when the dreamer starts building them, or if someone who has been to limbo occupies the same space, which then fills the limbo with buildings and projections from the old limbo. So when Fischer enters limbo, that limbo is empty. But when Cobb and Ariadne enters his limbo, Cobb who has shared limbo with Mal, fills the space with his old projections.

6. Basically, the inception was done by seeding doubt in Fischer's mind that Browning was trying to steal Fischer Sr.'s will that states Jr. will have the choice to break up Sr's empire and do what he wants. This was actually done in level 1 (the hostage scene), where Eames, impersonating Browning, tells him how much his had loves him and makes it known to him that he has a locked will somewhere, strictly for Fischer Jr. The seed is sown, and from then on, even if Fischer himself doesn't realize it, he subsubsubconsiously (lol) thinks his dad loved him and was only disappointed that he tried to follow in his footsteps. In Level 2 (hotel), the Browning that enters the room is actually FIscher's projection of Browning, and Browning confessing to trying to steal and destroy the will in the safe (so Fischer wouldnt break up the empire and Browning could impose his influence on the company) was actually completely simulated by Fischer's own subsubsubsubsubsubsconcious mind (lolol). It was actually done in a very subtle manner. In Level 3, basically his subsubsubconsious mind makes up a projection of his dad telling him that he didn't want him following in his footsteps, and this the full idea of dissolving the company is implanted. I think that's how it goes. It sounds a bit silly, but I think it's quite an original idea.

7. Basically both Saito and Cobb were stuck in limbo. This time Cobb really IS stuck in HIS own limbo, meaning he doesn't know it's all a dream. When both of them come face to face though, each reminds the other of something that makes both of them realize the world is a dream. Saito sees the totem and is reminded of Cobb, and the whole "die as an old man, full of regret" dialogue reminds both of the agreement they made in the real world. I would like to think Cobb managed to realize this because of his clinging, parasitic desire (or idea, if you will) to see his children, and Saito because of his Japanese tradition of honoring agreements?

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 18 2010, 10:34 PM

OK, thanks.

Anyways, the ending contradicts the rules of dreams with reality.

Dream - the totem should spin indefinitely, as in absolutely no loss of speed and it just keeps going dead stable.
Reality - the totem loses power and falls
The ending - the totem seem to spin indefinitely, but then starts to lose power
The problem is... the kids are exactly the same, and given Cobb's experience with the company carrying out the extractor task, his kids should have aged. At least the clothes should be different.

Funny how Yusuf (Dileep Rao) the actor says we should "listen" rather than "watch" the final scene. While Eames (Tom Hardy) says it is "reality". The actors themselves have their own interpretation.

I've watched the movie once, and perhaps when things clear up considerably for me, then I'll have another go, maybe I won't.

This movie deserves nothing less than a "9".

This movie has an insane 9.3/10 on IMDB with over 5,000 ratings cast by users. Impressive.

I am tempted to reduce my rating to a 9/10 but 4 screenings in 4 days is f***ing mad. I'll let the film settle and I'll decide when the BD is out.

Yeah that was mad so what made you do it? You had the movie wear you down even before you could fully understand the plot!

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 18 2010, 11:17 PM

it's showing 9.4/10 with 20,000 million plus votes here : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375666/
but its 9.0/10 here : http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt1375666

still early to tell, need to give some time.

question is, will it beat dark knight rating on IMDb. cause currently, thats christopher nolan highest rated movie on IMDb. follow by memento and in third place, the prestige.

you, you, MONSTER!

This post has been edited by Calvin871989: Jul 18 2010, 11:21 PM

Oh the rating will come down definitely. Way down. IMDb sucks anyway, especially for new movies, where fanboys all vote 10.

Btw, 20,000k is 20 million.

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 18 2010, 11:18 PM

ARGHHHH somehow that eerie music like the 28 days later theme song gets stuck in my head. The part where things were falling apart, building began collapsing and crumbled down.

This post has been edited by Ilianas_Toy: Jul 18 2010, 11:19 PM

I just get to know this from my friends. He watched 2 times for Inception. First was at GSC and the second time at TGV. Apparently he found out that the TGV version is screw up. Some of the scene was deleted and it is mixed up. It makes the movie is confusing.

So for those who said confusing.... are you watched at TGV?

i think this is what nolan would want, everyone arguing over the ending, like the debate for blade runner fans on Deckard as a human or replicant, in this case the writer, directory and actor are having different interpretation.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Jul 18 2010, 11:26 PM

20 million it is

had the time to listen its soundtrack few days back, i loved it
but i have yet watch the movie

This post has been edited by Calvin871989: Jul 18 2010, 11:26 PM

Which part & how was it mixed up ??? I'm watching it in TGV.
Not sure how GSC ver were looks liked.

one more thing, did this movie survived our censorship board's scissor?