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post Jul 18 2010, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(slickz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:57 PM)
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Holy shit. Four screenings and I missed that! For real?


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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:59 PM)
The scene was repeating. It was exactly same as his memory. Both of them wearing the same cloth.
Cobb was away for a while therefore it can't be the same scene rite?

Some interesting note to read. Taken from CinemaBlend.

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The ring could symbolize his guilt. He's free of it already after letting her go.

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 11:59 PM)
Holy shit. Four screenings and I missed that! For real?


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The ring could symbolize his guilt. He's free of it already after letting her go.
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The ring... I wasn't sure cause ... i didn't watch until so detail... to check out his fingers.
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well I certainly did recall when Cobb spoke with his kids, and the subject of age came up to which they replied their age.

Did you stay after the credits? Did the top stop spinning then?
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QUOTE(slickz @ Jul 19 2010, 12:05 AM)
well I certainly did recall when Cobb spoke with his kids, and the subject of age came up to which they replied their age.

Did you stay after the credits? Did the top stop spinning then?
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Well I saw the title Inception and left.
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Just finish watching, I freakin' love this movie, so creative... in a good way, highly recommended. It top my initial best movie of 2010: Shutter Island.

Yes, both are Leonardo, and I'm not his fans.


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QUOTE(jehutyz @ Jul 18 2010, 09:14 PM)
Christopher Nolan is not perfect, Movie is not perfect.

Obviously some people like it, and some not. It just like I said Avatar was a boring movie but lot of people said is a great movie. Everyone have their own preference and type of movie.

Inception was another great movie from Christopher Nolan. I get to know Christopher Nolan in the movie The Prestige. It was a great movie that twist and turn, and nice story. Then comes Batman. Batman wasn't a nice movie as it was a bit cartoon before his Batman Begin and Dark Knight.

I like this kind of movie as you need to think and concentrate during the movie. Mystery and guessing around. The idea and story is really good. We don't always see this kind of movie, as I think not many director can do so.

A great movie won't end just after the movie ends. It will be a topic to discuss and you will discuss among your friend to find out more details.

Just go and watch it, then you rate it yourself. If you like The Prestige, this is a must watch movie for you.

I read this website to find out more, not bad..... Check it out
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Prestidge, also one of my top movie.

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Yes, the soundtrack is brilliant!!

QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 10:36 PM)
OK, thanks.

Anyways, the ending contradicts the rules of dreams with reality.

Dream - the totem should spin indefinitely, as in absolutely no loss of speed and it just keeps going dead stable.
Reality - the totem loses power and falls
The ending - the totem seem to spin indefinitely, but then starts to lose power
The problem is... the kids are exactly the same, and given Cobb's experience with the company carrying out the extractor task, his kids should have aged. At least the clothes should be different.

Funny how Yusuf (Dileep Rao) the actor says we should "listen" rather than "watch" the final scene. While Eames (Tom Hardy) says it is "reality". The actors themselves have their own interpretation.  biggrin.gif

I've watched the movie once, and perhaps when things clear up considerably for me, then I'll have another go, maybe I won't.

This movie deserves nothing less than a "9".

This movie has an insane 9.3/10 on IMDB with over 5,000 ratings cast by users. Impressive.
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The ending is meant to introduce doubt. It looks like it's losing power but the scene cuts off before we can see the result.

The reason why the kids are still wearing the same clothes is the same reason why they refused to show the result of the totem spinning test.

At the same time, they also showed the children's faces, which is a key difference with his dreams. This is also to introduce doubt.

Also, I do not believe they have mentioned how long it has been since he left. Therefore, there is no reason to believe the children could have aged much. This is emphasized by the phone conversation he has with his children about how the children miss him and how it's getting harder to convince the children they still have a father who loves them.

QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 18 2010, 09:42 PM)
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Cobb and Mal's stories seem to make the chronological plot of "Inception" go out of place imo.

1. Cobb and Mal enjoyed the dream world they had created, and grew old together (50years?).

Yet, when they chose to die in the railway track after Cobb convinced Mal the world they were in is not real (because both used 'memories' to create their dream world, a big no. Mal became attached to the dream world and convinced it was real...).

Bam. They are young again. How is this? Shouldn't they both be oldies on the railway track?

2. The use of heavy sedatives causes one not just to dream, but to get into a state called 'limbo' where a small time change in the real world causes a huge time change in the dream (e.g 5 minutes = 10 years).

Yet, in the movie, it does not ever show both Cobb and Mal using heavy sedatives. And how did they get into their dream world they lived for so long with no dreaming devices attached? Most importantly how did they have a "shared dream experience" ? Both of them were in the same dream with no... err... strings attached.

3. The totem that Mal used which later Cobb started using. Explain. I don't get this. You see, the totem is locked away in a safe by Mal. The spinning totem indicates (to Mal) whether the world she lived in was a dream or reality. She locked it away because she didn't want to know the truth. Cobb later finds it and... the totem is not his, right? So whether it stops spinning or continues infinitely, is never correct in the eyes of Cobb? Isn't it a 'small rule' to not use others' totem? Or is it the totem belonged to both of them?

4. Real world -> Dream -> Limbo. Mal experiences this. Cobb convinces her to die together. If die here, they will be stuck (whatever that is) or "burn out their minds". After they both die in the railway, do they end up in reality or limbo? Why does Mal keep showing up in Cobb's dreams? Also, I don't understand how is it that Cobb can "lock" Mal in her world and visit her anytime. Is Mal stuck for real?

5. Why Robert Fischer Jr. when he dies, ends up with Mal in the dream world? Cobb and Ariadne later goes in to seek him out to complete the mission.

6. What is the movie about (the mission that is)? The major plot point is Cobb and his team, performing "inception" on Robert Fischer Jr. to split his company from his father (Maurice Fischer), right? Just as Saito (who hires Cobb) wanted it to his advantage. Corporate espionage. OK, so what is the significance of the whole "secret" at the end of the movie with Robert opening the vault with his father (the secret) in it? What happened here? (Father: "I'm disappointed that you tried").

7. After mission completed, Cobb finds Saito to claim his reward to go back to 'reality' and see his children. How does he do this and most importantly, where is Saito's place? A dream world Saito constructed along with projections of the guards that finds Cobb on the beach?
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Just some addendums to what others have mentioned.

1. There were multiple levels of dream. It could be that the railway dream is Level 1 while the old age dream is a deeper level or limbo.

2. The only way to achieve multiple levels of dream in a stable manner is to use sedatives. The fact that Cobb suggested using sedatives to Yusuf for the same reason implies that he used sedatives with Mal.

3. Mal is dead. Therefore she no longer shares dreams with Cobb. As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem.

7. Those who share the same dream enter the same limbo. (Cobb drowned in Level 2 while Saito died from gun shot there as well.)

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nolan sneak into theater to see how people react to inception, but theater shut down half way laugh.gif
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 18 2010, 10:33 PM)
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Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation! biggrin.gif This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.

QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Jul 18 2010, 10:49 PM)
I am tempted to reduce my rating to a 9/10 but 4 screenings in 4 days is f***ing mad. I'll let the film settle and I'll decide when the BD is out.
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4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...

QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 19 2010, 12:10 AM)
Yes, the soundtrack is brilliant!!
The ending is meant to introduce doubt. It looks like it's losing power but the scene cuts off before we can see the result.

The reason why the kids are still wearing the same clothes is the same reason why they refused to show the result of the totem spinning test.

At the same time, they also showed the children's faces, which is a key difference with his dreams. This is also to introduce doubt.

Also, I do not believe they have mentioned how long it has been since he left. Therefore, there is no reason to believe the children could have aged much. This is emphasized by the phone conversation he has with his children about how the children miss him and how it's getting harder to convince the children they still have a father who loves them.
Just some addendums to what others have mentioned.

1. There were multiple levels of dream. It could be that the railway dream is Level 1 while the old age dream is a deeper level or limbo.

2. The only way to achieve multiple levels of dream in a stable manner is to use sedatives. The fact that Cobb suggested using sedatives to Yusuf for the same reason implies that he used sedatives with Mal.

3. Mal is dead. Therefore she no longer shares dreams with Cobb. As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem.

7. Those who share the same dream enter the same limbo. (Cobb drowned in Level 2 while Saito died from gun shot there as well.)
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What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."

QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 19 2010, 12:10 AM)
http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/inception...-attendance.php

nolan sneak into theater to see how people react to inception, but theater shut down half way  laugh.gif
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Holy crap! doh.gif 100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.


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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:46 AM)
Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation!  biggrin.gif  This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."
Holy crap!  doh.gif  100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.
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because totem serve as a "guide" for you to know whether you are in others' dream or not, so as long as no one else know the exact specs of your totem, you can use it without worrying some architect had duplicated it to fool you
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juz watched the movie... very nice for imagination...
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:46 AM)
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:56 AM)
because totem serve as a "guide" for you to know whether you are in others' dream or not, so as long as no one else know the exact specs of your totem, you can use it without worrying some architect had duplicated it to fool you
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I understand how a totem works. I got what +Newbie+ meant. Yeah... Mal is "dead" so Cobb can just use the totem. I got it.


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lol @ the phail screening

QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:46 AM)
Alright thx... Looks like everyone has their own explanation!  biggrin.gif  This feels like "Lost". But in movie form.
4 times? The movie was released like 15/16 July and you have watched it 4 times! Madness! At the most it would be twice for me, then it is off to Blu-Ray, e.g "District 9", "Avatar" (3 times) and "Toy Story 3". I am so tempted to watch this again...
What do you mean? "As long as no one else knows the totem, it should be safe for Cobb to use the totem."
Holy crap!  doh.gif  100 minutes into the movie ? Madness! And the movie director was there! He must have really felt every breath of frustration from every audience member.
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There was a scene where Cobb refused to let Ariadne touch his totem because the dreamer must be the only person in the dream who knows what his own totem feels like, looks like, etc etc.

Of course, we can't look into too much detail. At the end of the day, this is just pure fantasy. The fact that they never ever explain the hows and whys of the dream machine already emphasizes what kind of move this is.

The fantastical scenes and epic music all add up to a very good movie. I think the only reason why I call it a very good movie instead of brilliant is because I have already seen The Matrix. If I hadn't, this movie would've probably blown my mind.

I really loved the rolling gravity fight scene in the hotel between JGL and the security. Nais.
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this film is in the same realm as Dark City...but i really 'fe;t' and got 'connected' to Dark City more than this one...dunoo why...maybe i'm just into all the gothic realm of Dark City while Inception is kinda 'bright' for me...or maybe the i didn't feel the casts' emotions there...hmm

anyone prefers Dark City more than Inception here?

for the record, for Nolan's creation - i dig The Prestige very much, like Momento... but didn't really like The Dark Knight...

we can't please 'em all..can we?

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I watched this movie just now.
1 word = Awesome
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SPOILERS BWARE

Is Cobb still in the dream world after the whole mission??

Ending he FINALLY sees his children's faces, my verdict he woke up.

Was Cobb is his dream world afterall even b4 the mission??

No, his totem did stop speeding in 2 of the scenes. It shows he was actually in the real world afterall. And that his wife did actually died.

Why did the ending ends with the totem still spinning and cut off to credits??

Maybe the Directors wants us to keep guessing and dicuss in forums such as this one. Make us think of the 2 questions above and probably wants us put our imagination beyond th movie. It did make make think for a second that maybe JUST maybe the wife was the one that is right afterall, and by now still waiting for Cobb to wake up from his dreams or simply Cobbs is stuck in his 'limbo' dreams forever.

But my 2 answers above proof that those are wrong afterall.... so dont worry.. Cobb is safe in the real world retired rich with his kids smile.gif


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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 19 2010, 01:19 AM)
lol @ the phail screening
There was a scene where Cobb refused to let Ariadne touch his totem because the dreamer must be the only person in the dream who knows what his own totem feels like, looks like, etc etc.

Of course, we can't look into too much detail. At the end of the day, this is just pure fantasy. The fact that they never ever explain the hows and whys of the dream machine already emphasizes what kind of move this is.

The fantastical scenes and epic music all add up to a very good movie. I think the only reason why I call it a very good movie instead of brilliant is because I have already seen The Matrix. If I hadn't, this movie would've probably blown my mind.

I really loved the rolling gravity fight scene in the hotel between JGL and the security. Nais.
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didn't JGL said that the machine was use by the military to combat something2 . hmm.gif
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Inception take box office number 1 over weekend with 60.4 million, is this a dream or reality?

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