Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!
Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!
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Feb 27 2009, 10:11 PM
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does anyone of you even recall that despite his blunders, Parry has been trying at the boardroom level to keep the yanks at bay?
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Feb 27 2009, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE(nando @ Feb 27 2009, 07:00 PM) firstly, i am not saying Jose is better than Rafa. Yes, Rafa has better a better head to head record. But winning all your matches against Chelsea doesnt guarantee you the league title. Its a whole season thingy. To do it in your first season AND to repeat it again, speaks something. Perhaps Arsenal were in decline and MU rebuilding. MU were struggling early this season and Arsenal never went into the high gear. Did Liverpool take any advantage to stretch their lead? dude they got damien duff and arjen robben on both flanks...then got SWP summore....its much better, waaayyy more attacking than our lineup of riera, kuyt, benayoun combo....and the occasional el-zhar.... btw its either roman abramovich....or zlatan ibrahimovicI thought Jose left because he wanted to proof a point against Abrahamovic? Because Roman tinkered with his team and went and buy players that he didnt really want? Did Jose really lost the support of his players? Surprising, if the bunch of players who just won 2 titles under him suddenly revolt? Is Mourinho's Chelsea really that superior to Rafa's current Liverpool? I dont think so. In his Drogba, we have our Torres. In his Lampard, we have our Gerrard. In his Terry, we have a Carragher. Monster Masc is probably equal to Makele. So, i dont think the present Liverpool's squad is really miles away from Mourinho's team in his first 2 season. Its a bit unfair to the man to suggest that Liverpool will only do well under Mourinho if the chequebooks are splashed for him. Yeah, i didnt like the shhhhhhsssss to the anfield crowd and calling us as a small club. Its all part of the job. But the man in still a winner, the last i checked his record. I am hoping Rafa will be one too for Liverpool, and not be replaced by one. |
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Feb 27 2009, 10:52 PM
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Paper Talk
Jose Mourinho was sounded out about the Liverpool job - in case Rafa Benitez decided to walk away. Jose Mourinho is being lined up to become Liverpool's next manager should Rafa Benitez refuse to sign a new deal. Liverpool's Champions League heroes are backing Rafa Benitez to stay - and lead them back to the pinnacle of European football. |
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Feb 27 2009, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(bhypp @ Feb 27 2009, 10:31 PM) dude they got damien duff and arjen robben on both flanks...then got SWP summore....its much better, waaayyy more attacking than our lineup of riera, kuyt, benayoun combo....and the occasional el-zhar.... btw its either roman abramovich....or zlatan ibrahimovic Exactly, that title winning Chelsea team, offensively is still a lot more potent than our current team and imo is a lot better than current Chelsea team. Midfield wise they then had Essien and Mikel anchoring with the likes of Makalele and Parker in the bench as cover.Added on February 27, 2009, 11:05 pm QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 27 2009, 10:52 PM) Paper Talk He wont come here, i bet he much rather have Ferguson job. Managing Liverpool pose far greater challenge to cope with.Jose Mourinho was sounded out about the Liverpool job - in case Rafa Benitez decided to walk away. Jose Mourinho is being lined up to become Liverpool's next manager should Rafa Benitez refuse to sign a new deal. Liverpool's Champions League heroes are backing Rafa Benitez to stay - and lead them back to the pinnacle of European football. This post has been edited by hfi: Feb 27 2009, 11:05 PM |
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Feb 27 2009, 11:10 PM
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hope dubai can takeover....
n rafa to stay... agger n alonso also... that is our next good news.... n mybe lucas will be our savior/hero later... (is it a good news??) |
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Feb 27 2009, 11:14 PM
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How do you know if this is good news?
I never. Wait until the very next moment and now it's transparent in between Rafa & yanks. |
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Feb 27 2009, 11:18 PM
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it is my 'hope' la bro hahaha...
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Feb 27 2009, 11:23 PM
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the first thing new CEO should do is to bring in villa or aguero. else he or she wont be consider to be the CEO
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Feb 27 2009, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Feb 27 2009, 11:01 PM) Exactly, that title winning Chelsea team, offensively is still a lot more potent than our current team and imo is a lot better than current Chelsea team. Midfield wise they then had Essien and Mikel anchoring with the likes of Makalele and Parker in the bench as cover. i think he will come. if he got the chance. don forget, before he go for chelsea, the reporters asked him which club will he go for if he manage in EPL. he said LIVERPOOLAdded on February 27, 2009, 11:05 pm He wont come here, i bet he much rather have Ferguson job. Managing Liverpool pose far greater challenge to cope with. |
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Feb 27 2009, 11:31 PM
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Feb 27 2009, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 27 2009, 10:11 PM) does anyone of you even recall that despite his blunders, Parry has been trying at the boardroom level to keep the yanks at bay? I wouldnt call siding with the Gillete axis for political agenda and control of the club is keeping the owners at bay. Other than that, he was merely a pawn required by Gillete when it comes to board-level decision making and voting. This club has been neglected far too long, can we really afford letting the club poorly managed for the sake of political battle ? We now have 2 executives running the communication and the financial departments, with another replacing Parry soon. Things can only get better when we have 3 people running various aspects of the club as opposed to having one person doing everything as Prry had the past decade. Its a small victory, but still no cause to celebrate just yet because with Parry leaving the club and vacating his seat in the board, suggests the power struggle is heating up. Seems to me Hicks is now winning the power struggle and it looks like Gillete is probably next to go since he has just lost a vital ally. So we could see a new owner or some sort of transition of ownership real soon. If we are left with only Hick in charge, that helps to simply the situation and hopefully that will help us landing a new owner. Regardless with Parry gone, the domino has started rolling and im hopping the owners will follow suit.Added on February 27, 2009, 11:39 pm QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 27 2009, 11:28 PM) i think he will come. if he got the chance. don forget, before he go for chelsea, the reporters asked him which club will he go for if he manage in EPL. he said LIVERPOOL Yes he did. He said we were his boyhood idol and yet after a luncheon on a yacht with Roman he decided to go to Chelsea knowing we were looking for a new manager. Obviously he was thrown with lots of money but if he was such a fan and relish the challenge he would have submitted his resume. Im glad he didnt. Because if Mourinho had came to us, Roman would defo have gone for Rafa. Now can imagine Rafa with multi million war chest ?This post has been edited by hfi: Feb 27 2009, 11:39 PM |
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Feb 28 2009, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(bhypp @ Feb 27 2009, 10:31 PM) dude they got damien duff and arjen robben on both flanks...then got SWP summore....its much better, waaayyy more attacking than our lineup of riera, kuyt, benayoun combo....and the occasional el-zhar.... btw its either roman abramovich....or zlatan ibrahimovic hey dude...Robben probably contributed to Chelsea's 2 titles but sleepy Duff and midget Phillips? errrrrr.....not so sure about that... |
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Feb 28 2009, 01:02 AM
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Feb 28 2009, 01:06 AM
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what happens..rick parry resign?why..huhuhuuh...
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Feb 28 2009, 01:43 AM
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will gerrad be able to play this weekend ?
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Feb 28 2009, 02:47 AM
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i think he will be on the first 11,
besides, Rafa did say that is a must for Liv to win this match! |
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Feb 28 2009, 02:58 AM
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THIS IS THE RAFALUTION ~~~!!!!!!
1 out 2 to go YANKS OUT YANKS OUT . THANKS BUT NO YANKS YNWA Added on February 28, 2009, 3:01 amthe bookies tipped Rafa to leave before monday...they say something big will happen to Liverpool this week..and it happen..but instead of Rafa, Parry left i wish the bookie will tip Torres to go out next!!..coz something will happen, instead of Torres, Lucas to leave! Added on February 28, 2009, 3:21 amomg i cant sleep!! XD This post has been edited by x13u5t3r: Feb 28 2009, 03:21 AM |
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Feb 28 2009, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE(nando @ Feb 28 2009, 12:21 AM) hey dude... You are missing the point bro. They had Joe Cole, SWP and Duff as options and cover for the left flank alone. Yeah that can be seen as a little meh at first, but its far from that once you start listing out all the positions and the players competing for it. As you said earlier, its not about winning against a particular side but rather winning consistently against all the teams all season long. A league challenge is like a marathon, a long and slow race, the first most consistent runner reaching the finish line wins it. However, a team with 4 decent runners taking turns running at full capacity will finish the race much quicker against a team with a single or two exceptional runners. Basically, its all about quality of depth when it comes to challenging for the title. If Duff was losing form or gotten injured, they had the likes of Cole and SWP waiting to claim the position. Yes they're not world class but they are decent enough. That kind of quality in depth meant the competition for a place in the starting line up was fierce and players worked harder to impress. The more players and the higher the quality of the player competing for the same position, the higher it is the the standard of performance, focus and commitment generated from the players. So massive was Mourinho's squad that he practically 2 or more world class and decent players competing for each position on the starting 11. No teams in the league at that time had that kind of quality in depth as Chelsea did. Jose was literally spoiled with choices with team selection and i actually feel he didnt really need some of the those players he bought. He had the financial advantage, so why not buy players to deny his opponents the players they need to strengthen their teams. To make matter worse, Chelsea spending spree inflated the transfer market and made it almost impossible for cash stricken team such as ours to pursue targets. Robben probably contributed to Chelsea's 2 titles but sleepy Duff and midget Phillips? errrrrr.....not so sure about that... A manager can only control certain things like the trainings, team tactics and subs but there are certain thing beyond his control such as injuries and form. You cant really prevent those from happening but if it happens and it always does, the manager can only rely on the depth of his squad to deal and minimize the damage. To give you an exact opposite scenario to Jose, recall our our team in the year Jose took over Chelsea. Ever wonder why Rafa didnt straight away purchase a 20 mill winger and were reluctant years after even tho we could actually afford it ? Its because the team and depth needed to be urgently improved. The lacked of depth was evident when Rafa took over, the test of managerial ability started almost immediately when the team was struck with an injury crisis. We practically had zero depth to cope with it. Rafa had to rely on the fresh inexperienced Academy graduates who lacked both abilities and mentality to perform at senior level. We simply didnt have the team and depth to compete in all competitions, the league was destined to be won by Chelsea as they steamrolled teams unscathed. We were probably at the level of the current Villa team, maybe slightly worse. But when Jose was having a headache selecting his first team from a massive reserve, Rafa was having a nightmare coping with the injuries and his managerial ability was tested to limit in working out tactics and shuffling his first 11 from a severely depleted team roster. Against all odds, we managed to get to the Carling Cup Final only to lost the game for unlucky own goal. Thats ok because we went on winning the CL with a team that was nowhere near as complete and lethal as Chelsea. Despite their sudden and uninspiring success in football, no one is going to remember that Chelsea team that. Because the year 2005 will always be remembered as the year a cracked Liverpool team marshaled by Rafa, bulldozed their way through the CL, beating the likes Juventus and Chelsea, reaching the final and overcoming a 3 goal deficit in perhaps the greatest comeback in European football. In just one year Rafa had his managerial ability tested to the limit and he not only survived it but actually overcame with a bang! He transcended the Liverpool team and made us believing again. This is why i feel Rafa is the better manager because he has proven to be a very capable manager, he is cunning and fears no one, witty yet modest, respectful and diplomatic, calm in crisis and a brilliant problem solver. What kind of inspiring feat has Jose achieved that really puts him above Rafa ? Did he transcend the Chelsea team? Was he really the real reason why Chelsea won those titles ? Reckon most managers wont have problem winning the league. |
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Feb 28 2009, 08:50 AM
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Feb 28 2009, 09:10 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Wow.. A beaut thoughtful thinking.. That's right hfi, and thinking it back, with Robbie Keane back to Spurs, we actually lacked of depth in our attacking options.. Babel is more like a winger, Kuyt is not lethal (but he is a machine!), and Ngog is not quite tested at the highest level.. Torres is somehow a bit injury prone right now.. Lets hope we can score more goals thru our wingers and midfielders |
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