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 Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2009, Liverpool 4-1 MU WELL DESERVED 3 Points!

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post Feb 28 2009, 11:51 AM

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benitez is a better tactician than mourn and mourn is a better motivator than benitez. benitez is a better coach than mourn but....

as of now , mourn is a better MANAGER than benitez

Parry's departure will open the door for benitez to prove he's a better manager than mourn...wait another 2 or 3 seasons and we will know
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Ditto, great post! thumbup.gif In fact, a supposingly inferior manager Avram Grant brought the same team to the Carling Cup final (Lost at extra time), 2nd in league (2pts away) and the Champions League final (Lost by Terry's slip).

Makes you wonder where did Scolari gone wrong, eh?
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QUOTE(hfi @ Feb 28 2009, 07:26 AM)
You are missing the point bro. They had Joe Cole, SWP and Duff as options and cover for the left flank alone. Yeah that can be seen as a little meh at first, but its far from that once you start listing out all the positions and the players competing for it. As you said earlier, its not about winning against a particular side but rather winning consistently against all the teams all season long. A league challenge is like a marathon, a long and slow race, the first most consistent runner reaching the finish line wins it. However, a team with 4 decent runners taking turns running at full capacity will finish the race much quicker against a team with a single or two exceptional runners. Basically, its all about quality of depth when it comes to challenging for the title. If Duff was losing form or gotten injured, they had the likes of Cole and SWP waiting to claim the position. Yes they're not world class but they are decent enough. That kind of quality in depth meant the competition for a place in the starting line up was  fierce and players worked harder to impress. The more players and the higher the quality of the player competing for the same position, the higher it is the the standard of performance, focus and commitment generated from the players. So massive was Mourinho's squad that he practically 2 or more world class and decent players competing for each position on the starting 11. No teams in the league at that time had that kind of quality in depth as Chelsea did. Jose was literally spoiled with choices with team selection and i actually feel  he didnt really need some of the those players he bought. He had the financial advantage, so why not buy players to deny his opponents the players they need to strengthen their  teams. To make matter worse, Chelsea spending spree inflated the transfer market and made it almost impossible for cash stricken team such as ours to pursue targets.   

A manager can only control certain things like  the trainings, team tactics and subs but there are certain thing beyond his control such as injuries and form. You cant really prevent those from happening but if it happens and it always does, the manager can only rely on the depth of his squad to deal and minimize the damage.

To give you an exact opposite scenario to Jose, recall our our team in the year Jose took over Chelsea. Ever wonder why Rafa didnt straight away purchase a 20 mill winger and were reluctant years after even tho we could actually afford it ? Its because the team and depth needed to be urgently improved. The lacked of depth was evident when Rafa took over, the test of managerial ability started almost immediately when the team was struck with an injury crisis. We practically had zero depth to cope with it. Rafa had to rely on the fresh inexperienced Academy graduates who lacked both abilities and mentality to perform at senior level. We simply didnt have the team and depth to compete in all competitions, the league was destined to be won by Chelsea as they steamrolled teams unscathed. We were probably at the level of the current Villa team, maybe slightly worse. But when Jose was having a headache selecting his first team from a massive reserve, Rafa was having a nightmare coping with the injuries and his managerial ability was tested to limit in working out tactics and shuffling his first 11 from a severely depleted team roster.

Against all odds, we managed to get to the Carling Cup Final only to lost the game for unlucky own goal. Thats ok because we went on winning the CL with a team that was nowhere near as complete and lethal as Chelsea. Despite their sudden and uninspiring success in football,  no one is going to remember that Chelsea team that. Because the year 2005 will always be remembered as the year a cracked Liverpool team marshaled by Rafa,  bulldozed their way through the CL, beating the likes Juventus and Chelsea, reaching the final and overcoming a 3 goal deficit in perhaps the greatest comeback in European football. In just one year Rafa had his managerial ability tested to the limit and he not only survived it but actually overcame with a bang! He transcended the Liverpool team and made us believing again. This is why i feel Rafa is the better manager because he has proven to be a very capable manager, he is cunning and fears no one, witty yet modest, respectful and diplomatic, calm in crisis and a brilliant problem solver. What kind of inspiring feat has Jose achieved that really puts him above Rafa ? Did he transcend the Chelsea team? Was he really the real reason why Chelsea won those titles ? Reckon most managers wont have problem winning the league.
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You got your point on Mourinho's success correlating with a huge Chelsea squad. I have my point on Mourinho being successful manager because he delivered trophies for Porto, Chelsea and maybe soon, Inter. You got your point about Rafa being THE man if given MORE time. I have my point about Rafa being a good manager for Liverpool at this time and season.
So, i dont think anyone is missing the point smile.gif

Your last point is interesting. Looks like any manager could manage that Chelsea team and win the league. Looks like managing a huge bunch of stars and expensive players is a breeze because the players will know what to do and no real tactical acumen is needed. Looks like Roman Abrahamovic is a nice sugar daddy and there is no pressure to deliver anything. Jeeezz...Mourinho is one lucky fella isnt he?
So if Mourinho comes to a club like Liverpool, what really matters is to buy expensive players and make them stand in the line behind the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Skrtle so that they will be under pressure to perform and then we will automatically win the league? and because of that, Mourinho is guaranteed to fail because Liverpool dont have the financial resources? So we can count Jose out if the Liverpool job is available because he doesnt have what it takes to bring a team like Liverpool to push for the title? Or because he is an arrogant prick, who said some bad things about us and is just an overhyped self proclaimed special one with a huge bottle? smile.gif

Having the likes of Duff and SWP covering your first 11 is good and i wont mind having such luxury with Liverpool. But its the 90 minutes, 11 vs 11 out there that bags the points. If not mistaken, Joe Cole went through a transformation and did well under Jose's management.

To me, over-rated is when the 2 US clowns tried to bring in Klinsmann, on the basis that he speaks English well and brought some excitement to Germany in World cup. That is over-rated or overhyped. Thank goodness it didnt materialised!

As much as I love Liverpool and consider the Istanbul comeback as THE match, I wont discredit what Jose and Chelsea done in the league. First season, new players and they dominated the league and were only stopped by 2 breathtaking semifinals in Europe (by us, and Rafa... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif ).


To summarize that Jose wont bring success to Liverpool because Liverpool is not Chelsea per se is taking away some credit to the man. I believe that the current Liverpool squad plus perhaps 1-2 clever buys (can be expensive but not necessarily sky rocket price) can be taken by someone like Mourinho to push for title.
Dalglish benefitted from having the $ to buy good players as a Liverpool manager and also from Jack Walker's millions during his Ewood Park days but still, he is a good manager.

But then, thing have changed since yesterday isnt it? Now it looks like Rafa will assume full control and sign the contract. hopefully, we will finish this season well, and prepare for next season. (wont say next season will be our season because the phrase is now becoming like a joke associated with us long suffering fans)


BTW, I am not a Chelsea fan or Rafa hater okay? This discussion is just what healthy forums does...talk about football and possibilities...cheers! IF you want to kutuk and ask why discuss over something so unrealistic (as in Rafa being replaced by Jose) I can understand. haha! nod.gif


Added on February 28, 2009, 12:39 pm
QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 28 2009, 12:14 PM)
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Ditto, great post! thumbup.gif In fact, a supposingly inferior manager Avram Grant brought the same team to the Carling Cup final (Lost at extra time), 2nd in league (2pts away) and the Champions League final (Lost by Terry's slip).

Makes you wonder where did Scolari gone wrong, eh?
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wow, so Avram Grant is inferior? and he just drove the team bus to make sure the players reach their playing venue? Yes, he did inherited a great squad from Mourinho..(oh wait....from Abramovich millions) but surely, to achieve what he achieve only to be stopped by a rampant Ronaldo and MU team is not a bad performance at all. What did Liverpool achieve last season? So its still all due to Abramovich's millions eh? Poor Rafa..

yeah...where did Scolari gone wrong...Or maybe apa yang Mourinho buat betul? tongue.gif

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ARBELOA BLOW

LIVERPOOL suffered a fresh injury blow last night with the news that Alvaro Arbeloa will be out for at least 10 days.

The full-back has a slight hamstring tear and is a doubt to make the second leg of the Champions League last-16 tie against Real Madrid at Anfield a week on Tuesday.

Arbeloa sustained the injury during his impressive display in the 1-0 win in Madrid on Wednesday and is currently undergoing treatment. He will miss today’s Premier League games at Middlesbrough today and at home to Sunderland on Tuesday.

Arbeloa’s injury is further bad news for manager Rafael Benitez, who is ready to throw Steven Gerrard back into his starting line-up today.

The Liverpool boss’s attacking options have been severely rocked by the absence of Fernando Torres following the injury he picked up at the Bernabeu.

Torres suffered a twisted ankle and has been ruled out of today’s game, and now faces a race to be fit in time to face Sunderland.

And with Gerrard making his return after a hamstring tear for the final two minutes in Madrid, Benitez is considering putting his captain back in from the start.

He will be assessed this morning before a final decision is made but Benitez is aware of the need to play as strong a side as possible at the Riverside.

Liverpool’s last win there came in 2002 and a failure to improve on that dismal record will only strengthen Manchester United’s position at the top of the Premier League.

The champions are not in league action this weekend as they take on Tottenham in the Carling Cup final tomorrow, giving the Reds a chance to close the seven-point gap.

Which is why Benitez is keen to give Gerrard every chance to prove his full fitness.

Benitez said: “Every game is so important now because we need to put United under pressure. So we need to win and to win and you need to have your best players.

“Steven Gerrard will be in the squad, he has trained and we have spoken with the medical team. But we will again leave a decision on him until much later.”

The decision not to risk Torres is chiefly based on the need to give him a chance to make the visit of Sunderland on Tuesday.

“Torres has had this problem before, and the recuperation was very quick, but he cannot play twice in four days,” added the Reds boss.


Source: Liverpool Echo. cry.gif sad.gif

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err. nando, hfi.. we're sama-sama kopite/Liverpudlians.. So, jangan gado-gado aarr.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ Feb 28 2009, 12:36 PM)
wow, so Avram Grant is inferior? and he just drove the team bus to make sure the players reach their playing venue? Yes, he did inherited a great squad from Mourinho..(oh wait....from Abramovich millions) but surely,  to achieve what he achieve only to be stopped by a rampant Ronaldo and MU team is not a bad performance at all.  What did Liverpool achieve last season? So its still all due to Abramovich's millions eh? Poor Rafa..

yeah...where did Scolari gone wrong...Or maybe apa yang Mourinho buat betul?  tongue.gif
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lol chill man, I meant inferior to Mourinho and I did say "supposingly", doesn't mean I agree to it.

I'm not here to take away anything from these 3 managers, in fact I think they are more than capable managers themselves. I'm merely pointing out that if the Mourinho's success is helped by a good squad and healthy dose of spending. If you were to compare Mourinho and Rafa, you have to consider these factors. I don't think I need to clarify more as I believe every other point has been explained clearly earlier.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 28 2009, 12:14 PM)
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Ditto, great post! thumbup.gif In fact, a supposingly inferior manager Avram Grant brought the same team to the Carling Cup final (Lost at extra time), 2nd in league (2pts away) and the Champions League final (Lost by Terry's slip).

Makes you wonder where did Scolari gone wrong, eh?
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Thought Avram did alright, he had his team constantly nipping at Utd and beaten us in the CL when Jose lost twice in the trot. But he was a little similar to Jose and Roman wanted a Barcelona kind of football from his team.

Apparently a lot of people in Portugal disliked Scolari when he was their manager and thought he was really an average manager. He was great at marshaling his team and get them to play with confidence, but thats as good as it gets with him. Come to think of it, Scolari's best credential was winning the 2002 World Cup with Brazil. But that team consisted the holy trinity of Ronaldo, Ronaldhino and Rivaldo, playing in a familiar tropical climate they were obviously favourite to win it. Brazil has never been a tactical team so Scolari is hardly required to be tactical and depended on like most tactical European teams. Their football is spontaneous and free flowing orchestrated by the players themselves. What Scolari is apparently good at is organizing and motivating his players, hence the nickname Papa if im not mistaken lol. With the abundance of star players in the Brazil team, the team had inner infractions from clash of egos. So perhaps containing the team and held them together long enough to play decent football was the best bit of work he did for the national team. That's probably too harsh but thats what i think anyways. So the Portuguese were happy that he ended up in England and the Liverpool based fans were even happier because they believed it was a double win for them. Portugal was freed of him and Chelsea weakened with his arrival.

As it turned out, their assessment of the manager seem accurate. I actually feel for him because in truth, his work was made hard for him for the very beginning. He's not really an exceptionally acute tactician thats required to combat the 4 top strategists in the EPL so was bound to get caught out for that. He was acquired to get the Chelsea team to play Samba, yet Chelsea had no players to play that kind of football and whats more ridiculous, Roman wouldnt let him get the players required to play free flow football. All he gotten was the injury stricken and aging Deco. Robinho would had been perfect for them but surprisingly even Roman was feeling the credit crunch! So Scolari is left with pretty much a Jose team, that was assembled to play certain kind football. Whatever football that is, it is certainly not suited to play Samba. Its a bit funny thinking that Chelsea actually believed they can be taught and trained to play Samba. Regardless, that was Scolari's task; To get them to play Samba. It was obviously destined to fail. The Brazilian sure as hell didnt invent it overnight. Barcelona took years refining and perfecting their signature football by spending millions in training facilities and youth Academy that recruits, teach and trains their youth the Barcelona football. So at the end his task seem impossible and was losing the players confidence. Imo, motivation skills alone is not enough to lead and control those bunch of spoilt, prima donnas football mercenaries. Unlike the national team, players in club footballs do not have any sense of patriotism or unity that bound them together. Unless he was at a club with real history and identity where the players actually do have a sense of pride wearing the jersey, Scolari was always going to find it difficult to keeping his players in check. Why couldnt the players, Drogba in particular, played under Scolari like how they did against Villan under Guss? Its the same formation and tactics. They had obviously given up on the manager and acted like bunch spoilt brats sulking, forcing the man out. Maybe it was a clash of ideas and culture for them. Scolari isnt exactly the type you expect to coach a London based team, that thrives in the the city. He doesnt even wear the suits to the matches.

Ah well, he was out of his depth, but the way they treated him is a disgrace.


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Waa.. Arbeloa injured, who will be our right back?.. Carra or Degen?..

Ah.. sure Carra punye..


Reina

Carra -- Skrtel -- Agger -- Aurelio

Benayoun -- Alonso -- Masherano -- Riera

Gerrard

Kuyt


Tonite 10.55 pm..

weeeee.......
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*trying to channel the heated discussion elsewhere *

Hey, anyone notice that Riera actually dodge to make way for Benayoun's header? Remind me of Smicer's shot when Baros dodged it...


Added on February 28, 2009, 1:54 pm
QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Feb 28 2009, 01:51 PM)
Waa.. Arbeloa injured, who will be our right back?.. Carra or Degen?..

Ah.. sure Carra punye..
Reina

Carra -- Skrtel -- Agger -- Aurelio

Benayoun -- Alonso -- Masherano -- Riera

Gerrard

Kuyt
Tonite 10.55 pm..

weeeee.......
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Agger got "BACK injury" AGAIN.

Expecting Hyypia to start...My prediction of line up will be:


Reina

Carra Skrtel Hyypia Dossena

Benayoun Alonso Mascherano Babel

Gerrard

Kuyt




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i got feeling that tonite RB will put the 'sell-fish' guy inside and the pro LUCAS..
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Uh,,, when Skrtel Agger got injured? Not awesome la camni sad.gif cry.gif


QUOTE
Reina

Carra Skrtel Hyypia Dossena

Benayoun Alonso Mascherano Babel

Gerrard

Kuyt


Erm.. Forgot one thing.. Gerrard can play ady?..


--edit--

fixed..

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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 28 2009, 01:56 PM)
i got feeling that tonite RB will put the 'sell-fish' guy inside and the pro LUCAS..
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Babel will definitely start regardless of what happen... As for Lucas, I'm not so sure...Will Alonso make way for Lucas in such an important match? Well, I cant be sure especially after seeing Rafa's frustrating face in Real Madrid match when Alonso made a powwwwwwwwderful fk...He seems unhappy with Alonso...hmmm wink.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 28 2009, 01:58 PM)
Babel will definitely start regardless of what happen... As for Lucas, I'm not so sure...Will Alonso make way for Lucas in such an important match? Well, I cant be sure especially after seeing Rafa's frustrating face in Real Madrid match when Alonso made a powwwwwwwwderful fk...He seems unhappy with Alonso...hmmm wink.gif
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yeah.. he bloody not happy with that free kick but have to accept that sometimes freekick is hard to convert isn't it? i think he is holding some grudge of wanting to sell him off as soon as possible.
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erm.. I'm not sure la with Lucas.. One time he play very good.. Other time I feel soo tension look at him play.. sad.gif


Benayoun is on form rite now.. Plus, apart from that powderful freekick, Alonso actually good at Madrid biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Feb 28 2009, 02:01 PM)
erm.. I'm not sure la with Lucas.. One time he play very good.. Other time I feel soo tension look at him play.. sad.gif
Benayoun is on form rite now.. Plus, apart from that powderful freekick, Alonso actually good at Madrid biggrin.gif
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everyone is so tension when he is playing. my friend also nicknamed him ' S*hai' Lucas. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(CrossFirE @ Feb 28 2009, 02:01 PM)
yeah.. he bloody not happy with that free kick but have to accept that sometimes freekick is hard to convert isn't it? i think he is holding some grudge of wanting to sell him off as soon as possible.
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Somehow, I got a feeling Alonso will leave regardless of how well he play this season.

Anyway, To start Mr Jual Ikan at Riverside stadium seems reasonable.

Ikan and Riverside seems related somehow.. laugh.gif tongue.gif

My bet on Babel to open the scoring laugh.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 28 2009, 02:13 PM)
Somehow, I got a feeling Alonso will leave regardless of how well he play this season.

Anyway, To start Mr Jual Ikan at Riverside stadium seems reasonable.

Ikan and Riverside seems related somehow..  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

My bet on Babel to open the scoring  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Babel scored?? that is one in a million chance.. laugh.gif if he really did score, i will take off my shirt and then run around my house. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Feb 28 2009, 02:13 PM)
Somehow, I got a feeling Alonso will leave regardless of how well he play this season.

Anyway, To start Mr Jual Ikan at Riverside stadium seems reasonable.

Ikan and Riverside seems related somehow..  laugh.gif  tongue.gif

My bet on Babel to open the scoring  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Alonso leaving?? me hope not!!! shocking.gif one of the classiest and a true player/man of dignity. And a first generation Spanish-Scouse too!


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QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Feb 28 2009, 01:30 PM)
err. nando, hfi.. we're sama-sama kopite/Liverpudlians.. So, jangan gado-gado aarr.. tongue.gif
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no worries la...healthy discussion ma...hfi very mature one... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Feb 28 2009, 01:46 PM)
lol chill man, I meant inferior to Mourinho and I did say "supposingly", doesn't mean I agree to it.

I'm not here to take away anything from these 3 managers, in fact I think they are more than capable managers themselves. I'm merely pointing out that if the Mourinho's success is helped by a good squad and healthy dose of spending. If you were to compare Mourinho and Rafa, you have to consider these factors. I don't think I need to clarify more as I believe every other point has been explained clearly earlier.
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no problem......mate!

both have strengths and weakness. Just that i feel its not easy to find a replacement if Rafa does leave...but if Jose's available, he deserves to be considered instead of merely dismissing him and the success he achieved as something made easy and handed to him on a plate..


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QUOTE(hfi @ Feb 28 2009, 01:50 PM)
Cheers for the kind words folks smile.gif

Thought Avram did alright, he had his team constantly nipping at Utd and beaten us in the CL when Jose lost twice in the trot. But he was a little similar to Jose and Roman wanted a Barcelona kind of football from his team.

Apparently a lot of people in Portugal disliked Scolari when he was their manager and thought he was really an average manager. He was great at marshaling his team and get them to play with confidence, but thats as good as it gets with him. Come to think of it, Scolari's best credential was winning the 2002 World Cup with Brazil. But that team consisted the holy trinity of Ronaldo, Ronaldhino and Rivaldo, playing in a familiar tropical climate they were obviously favourite to win it. Brazil has never been a tactical team so Scolari is hardly required to be tactical and depended on like most tactical European teams. Their football is spontaneous and free flowing orchestrated by the players themselves. What Scolari is apparently good at is organizing and motivating his players, hence the nickname Papa if im not mistaken lol. With the abundance of star players in the Brazil team, the team had inner infractions from clash of egos. So perhaps containing the team and held them together long enough to play decent football was the best bit of work he did for the national team. That's probably too harsh but thats what i think anyways. So the Portuguese were happy that he ended up in England and the Liverpool based fans were even happier because they believed it was a double win for them. Portugal was freed of him and Chelsea weakened with his arrival.

As it turned out, their assessment of the manager seem accurate. I actually feel for him because in truth, his work was made hard for him for the very beginning. He's not really an exceptionally acute tactician thats required to combat the 4 top strategists in the EPL so was bound to get caught out for that. He was acquired to get the Chelsea team to play Samba, yet Chelsea had no players to play that kind of football and whats more ridiculous, Roman wouldnt let him get the players required to play free flow football. All he gotten was the injury stricken and aging Deco. Robinho would had been perfect for them but surprisingly even Roman was feeling the credit crunch! So Scolari is left with pretty much a Jose team, that was assembled to play certain kind football. Whatever football that is, it is certainly not suited to play Samba. Its a bit funny thinking that Chelsea actually believed they can be taught and trained to play Samba. Regardless, that was Scolari's task; To get them to play Samba. It was obviously destined to fail. The Brazilian sure as hell didnt invent it overnight. Barcelona took years refining and perfecting their signature football by spending millions in training facilities and youth Academy that recruits, teach and trains their youth the Barcelona football. So at the end his task seem impossible and was losing the players confidence. Imo, motivation skills alone is not enough to lead and control those bunch of spoilt, prima donnas football mercenaries. Unlike the national team, players in club footballs do not have any sense of patriotism or unity that bound them together. Unless he was at a club with real history and identity where the players actually do have a sense of pride wearing the jersey, Scolari was always going to find it difficult to keeping his players in check. Why couldnt the players, Drogba in particular, played under Scolari like how they did against Villan under Guss? Its the same formation and tactics. They had obviously given up on the manager and acted like bunch spoilt brats sulking, forcing the man out. Maybe it was a clash of ideas and culture for them. Scolari isnt exactly the type you expect to coach a London based team, that thrives in the the city. He doesnt even wear the suits to the matches.

Ah well, he was out of his depth, but the way they treated him is a disgrace.
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yeah, club management is nothing like country management and vice versa....if not mistaken, even Sir AF doesnt want to exchange the day to day management job with task of managing a country.

So, imagine Mourinho, a arrogant, witty and well-known press tamer managing a club like Liverpool... sleepy giant constantly ridiculed by the press..hahaha!!!
just pulling your leg mate!

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emmm...for me..rafa is good as manager.but the tactic he use is too negative for epl..mayb work at other league or in the knockout stage..believe me..we will not won epl with benitez tactic..we need more attacking minded to win it..
man.utd and arsenal the best suite in epl..u guys mayb said we r better than arsenal cause we r in 2nd..believe me..if they bring a good stiker like torres or etoo or villa in their team..they will be lethal as they have henry few years ago..wut they lack is a good finisher because they way they play is damn good..

like us..we too negative even we have torres..sumtimes we can see torres defending deep for the team..u can see this season we can make a cameback when we r behind..that show we capable achieve thing when we r attacking..back we lost so much point this season coz of the negative tactic im my opinion..we should try install more attacking manager or mayb let benitez change for a few season..
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QUOTE(utp_tyco @ Feb 28 2009, 05:27 PM)
emmm...for me..rafa is good as manager.but the tactic he use is too negative for epl..mayb work  at other league or in the knockout stage..believe me..we will not won epl with benitez tactic..we need more attacking minded to win it..
man.utd and arsenal the best suite in epl..u guys mayb said we r better than arsenal cause we r in 2nd..believe me..if they bring a good stiker like torres or etoo or villa in their team..they will be lethal as they have henry few years ago..wut they lack is a good finisher because they way they play is damn good..

like us..we too negative even we have torres..sumtimes we can see torres defending deep for the team..u can see this season we can make a cameback when we r behind..that show we capable achieve thing when we r attacking..back we lost so much point this season coz of the negative tactic  im my opinion..we should try install more attacking manager or mayb let benitez change for a few season..
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yes,

i shared your view
maybe rafa's tactic is good for la liga but not for epl

we din kill off opponents when we scored early and rafa dun wan to make changes till the 70th min even when we are trailing or drawing

moreover his recent buys were only medicore doh.gif
they cannot hold on to the ball much , esp babel,riera,lucas,ngog
he dare not use insua and nabil much, which i dare say are good

BTW, RICK is leaving
bye bye Rick...Happy Rafa

This post has been edited by digilife: Feb 28 2009, 06:01 PM

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