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post Jan 15 2009, 11:54 AM, updated 17y ago

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continuation from the previous thread.
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A query.
Anyone has used an R-Core transformer?
Just want to know why you use it and where did you get it. Thanx.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 15 2009, 12:57 PM)
A query.
Anyone has used an R-Core transformer?
Just want to know why you use it and where did you get it. Thanx.
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salvage it from old R-core Sony CDP.. biggrin.gif

or contact the designer..

http://www.kitamura-kiden.co.jp/english/index.html

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post Jan 15 2009, 08:15 PM

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Thanks for the link. You don't happened to have some loose R-Core in the drawer, no? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:15 PM)
Thanks for the link. You don't happened to have some loose R-Core in the drawer, no? tongue.gif
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no la.. but I got some baluns and ferrite core transformers tongue.gif
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I'll make a note!
BTW, your blue LEDs, the small ones.. am gonna use it on my VSPS front panel. Definitely will look super cool! wink.gif

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no la.. but I got some baluns and ferrite core transformers  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:46 PM)
I'll make a note!
BTW, your blue LEDs, the small ones.. am gonna use it on my VSPS front panel. Definitely will look super cool! wink.gif
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hehe! 3mm with diffused blue lens.. that should look pretty cool.. remember to drive it below 4v (3-3.5).. or else very fast poof..
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post Jan 16 2009, 01:25 PM

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Scotty, what about the old thread? It still contains useful informations for newbies.
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Very true. Can we have it (compiled) like an FAQ or something?


QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 16 2009, 01:25 PM)
Scotty, what about the old thread? It still contains useful informations for newbies.
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post Jan 16 2009, 10:19 PM

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damn right it is!!
the collection of info since thedoctor era....very2 valuable!
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Guys, if u dont mind me interrupting.
How do u cut a say 3 inch hole? I use to DIY myself but the outcome aint always nice. I'm thinking of DIYing a SOHA II but I'm having difficulties drilling 2 holes on the top of the casing for the tubes.
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What material are you trying to cut? Steel or aluminium?

QUOTE(MadCow @ Jan 16 2009, 10:39 PM)
Guys, if u dont mind me interrupting.
How do u cut a say 3 inch hole? I use to DIY myself but the outcome aint always nice. I'm thinking of DIYing a SOHA II but I'm having difficulties drilling 2 holes on the top of the casing for the tubes.
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QUOTE(MadCow @ Jan 16 2009, 10:39 PM)
Guys, if u dont mind me interrupting.
How do u cut a say 3 inch hole? I use to DIY myself but the outcome aint always nice. I'm thinking of DIYing a SOHA II but I'm having difficulties drilling 2 holes on the top of the casing for the tubes.
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A lengthy process, takes bloody much time, but the effort is worth it.

Use masking tape to mask the area you want to drill. Draw a sketch of the circle on it. Proceed by drilling lots of lots of holes using the largest drill bit available exactly within the area to clear it out. File the rest of the tiny bits to get a nice circle. It's time consuming due to the need to drill multiple times.

EDIT: Alternatively, a dremel works with the above method too, except faster.

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QUOTE(MadCow @ Jan 16 2009, 10:39 PM)
Guys, if u dont mind me interrupting.
How do u cut a say 3 inch hole? I use to DIY myself but the outcome aint always nice. I'm thinking of DIYing a SOHA II but I'm having difficulties drilling 2 holes on the top of the casing for the tubes.
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can always "pinjam" some one's milling machine..

anyway there is this special adapter to fit to a drillbit..can cut fairly large (inches) circles on metal plates with a electric drill
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Steel is a little bit harder though... easier on aluminium..
As per LG's process but I'd drill a series of small holes.. about 1/8" max., very close together. Once completed, 'punch' out the inner metal and use 1/2 round or rat tail file to smoothen the hole and adjust dimensions to suit the object going through the aperture wink.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 16 2009, 10:55 PM)
Steel is a little bit harder though... easier on aluminium..
As per LG's process but I'd drill a series of small holes.. about 1/8" max., very close together. Once completed, 'punch' out the inner metal and use 1/2 round or rat tail file to smoothen the hole and adjust dimensions to suit the object going through the aperture wink.gif
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wei then it'll look very kraftangan effect.. tongue.gif
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Off course la! Thats what DIY is all about! wink.gif
You've seen my 'kraftangan what... biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 16 2009, 11:20 PM)
wei then it'll look very kraftangan effect.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 16 2009, 10:50 PM)
A lengthy process, takes bloody much time, but the effort is worth it.

Use masking tape to mask the area you want to drill. Draw a sketch of the circle on it. Proceed by drilling lots of lots of holes using the largest drill bit available exactly within the area to clear it out. File the rest of the tiny bits to get a nice circle. It's time consuming due to the need to drill multiple times.

EDIT: Alternatively, a dremel works with the above method too, except faster.
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That's what I've been doing but the hole aint always beautiful. Since the 2 holes for SOHA II is not hidden, i want it to be as smooth as possible. Any companies in Msia that does this sort of cutting? =)
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QUOTE(MadCow @ Jan 17 2009, 12:00 AM)
That's what I've been doing but the hole aint always beautiful. Since the 2 holes for SOHA II is not hidden, i want it to be as smooth as possible. Any companies in Msia that does this sort of cutting? =)
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plenty..but need to pay or maybe they won't want to do one off basic jobs..

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 17 2009, 12:05 AM)
plenty..but need to pay or maybe they won't want to do one off basic jobs..
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Icic, i guess i'll just stick to the conventional style. =)

Anyway, anybody DIYing any new amps at the moment? mind sharing?
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There's one thread on GainClones..and T-Amps
I have not started my GC.. waiting for some parts and time... wink.gif
No more amps for me, too many already! laugh.gif

QUOTE(MadCow @ Jan 17 2009, 12:07 AM)
Icic, i guess i'll just stick to the conventional style. =)

Anyway, anybody DIYing any new amps at the moment? mind sharing?
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SOHA II seems to be a good amp to DIY, alot of good reviews about it. Cost about USD225 shipped from glassjar. Anybody got a say on this?
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USD225 is way too much for me..especially for a headphone amp!
I think someone did make a SOHA but no idea about SOHA II...
I'd rather spend the money for a good tube pre and tube phono preamp! brows.gif

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SOHA II? luckily not SOHAI? tongue.gif
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It would be if you join them together! laugh.gif

QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 17 2009, 01:09 AM)
SOHA II? luckily not  SOHAI?  tongue.gif
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Hai guise! Look what I got for free:

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Found it on the hallway beside an EE store with other working but unused instruments. Could only cart this benchtop DMM in my backpack. A brown person carrying around something that looks like a bomb in Amerika? Luckily can fit in the bag.

I'll go back there to see if the power supply and signal generator is still around before some bugger picks them up and sells them on ebay.
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Wow! An old school benchtop DMM! tongue.gif With a calibration sticker too! Wonder when it was last calibrated? laugh.gif
Good haul Eokboy!
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 18 2009, 08:24 AM)
Wow! An old school benchtop DMM! tongue.gif With a calibration sticker too! Wonder when it was last calibrated? laugh.gif
Good haul Eokboy!
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2002, last calibration due 2004 ph34r.gif

It has 4-terminal resistance measurement icon_idea.gif I found the manual in pdf too.
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I just wonder how good is the shunt regulators used as power supply for opamp/DAC vs the typical LM 3x7 and 78XX series. do u find lots of improvement ?

In another way, how is the MUR 860 with black gate and 7805 compare to the shunt regulator ?

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^Plus and minus.

In short, shunt regulator has ugly efficiency compared to the series regulator.

In general, shunt is used widely for isolation purposes and for local regulation when the current draw is not too big while series for global regulation (providing a huge block of circuits which draws higher current).

Shunt does have some benefits over series regulator:
1) Protected against input transients (isolation feature)
2) Current output is limited by CCS, thus no explosion due to shorted outputs.
3) To a certain extent's better than the series regulator due to symmetrical current sinking and sourcing.


For your case, you'll do fine with both solutions.

Alternatively, use the super fast Jung Super Regulator to beat the crap out of both solutions.



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Switching noise is inevitable especially the gears such as cdp , dac and pre and power amp are all connected to the same source.

The charging of diodes do provide some transients and feeds into the subsequent stage. So for the DAC, switching noise is totally unwanted. Therefore I still think the shunt regulators using fully discrete (no opamp at all ) gives better solution in terms of background noise, and dynamics response.

The guys at diyaudio are coming out with charge transfer regulators which (was used in airline) and to dem the input signals to the NOS tda 1541.

I will learn the crap first before I jump to what solution for the power supply for sensitive application like my TDA 1541 DAc.

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^switching can be prevented by forcing the regulator output to light Class A.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 17 2009, 12:19 AM)
There's one thread on GainClones..and T-Amps
just wondering why no threads on STK? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 19 2009, 08:37 AM)
^switching can be prevented by forcing the regulator output to light Class A.
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how do you do that and with what mod ?
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Probably it is because no one is interested in it?
or no one knew about it? tongue.gif
(no advert/publicity)
No fans here lah ar188 except you know who..... wink.gif


QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 19 2009, 10:42 PM)
just wondering why no threads on STK?  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 19 2009, 11:47 PM)
how do you do that and with what mod ?
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actually, diode transients are negligible if your PSU is done right. Adding the snubber caps already eliminate most of the noises. In addition, your main circuit must have already high PSRR so it does not even matter at all. (if it doesnt have high PSRR it's not worth it anyway)


Sometimes, back EMF can cause the regulator to "momentarily" switch down. If there's enough capacitance on the output, this is usually not an issue. Performance can be further improved by forcing a constant current out of it, e.g. using an LED.


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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:59 AM)
Probably it is because no one is interested in it?
or no one knew about it? tongue.gif
(no advert/publicity)
No fans here lah ar188 except you know who.....  wink.gif
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stk sounds good but is this better than CG or T-amp?
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Got my parts from amb and the goldpoint is coming. Haha, now just need my 4 casings, 1 for the twin trannies, 1 for the PSU and 1 for each inverse and non-inversed amp stage.


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mlm <--- behold my finger of jealousy.



Anyway, I just pulled the trigger on three B22 boards and one s22 board.

Oh noes, sins!!!
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'better' is subjective. It is all a matter of preferences, one man's meat is another man's poison. tongue.gif
Between STKs, GCs and T-Amps each have their own strentghs and weaknesses and NOT really the same platform to be compared with.. just a different means of amplification. At the end of the day, let your ears decide! biggrin.gif

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stk sounds good but is this better than CG or T-amp?
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:35 PM)
'better' is subjective. It is all a matter of preferences, one man's meat is another man's poison. tongue.gif
Between STKs, GCs and T-Amps each have their own strentghs and weaknesses and NOT really the same platform to be compared with.. just a different means of amplification. At the end of the day, let your ears decide! biggrin.gif
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what does your ears say?
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Build some discretes like the Hiraga and let me know if your opinions change.

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hope to see the fully discrete amp doing some whacking on the speakers.

18Wrms. Still thinking how to increase it to say 50W unbalance into 8 ohms.
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The 40W/Channel discrete.. wink.gif

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The 40W/Channel discrete.. wink.gif
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so T-amp is out? tongue.gif
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Not entirely... love listening classicals and vocals on it.. wink.gif

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so T-amp is out?  tongue.gif
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First time etching my own PCB.

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EDIT: A JFET based Class A buffer with servo control. Planning to use it for my balanced setup/just stereo buffering.



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Littleghost: Nice job! do share with us ur project progress later
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took me 3-4 hours just to get it right O_O"

Semi populated the board. Not sure if i want to heatsink the output transistors and bias them further.

tongue.gif. Lazy, will continue testing and debugging tomorrow.
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Just finished soldering in the RN60Ds for my B22. A few values missing, but will arrive on tuesday via FEDEX.

A shit load of caps also arriving from Handmade electronics, Silmics for the amp board and high voltage Nichicon KZs for the PSU board with Wima MKS2s all around, building for high voltage and high gain with 30V +- and a gain of 11. Resistors have been binned and matched for more accuracy too. Goldpoint should be arriving next next week, thus i'm looking forward to getting it. Toroid is custom wound by Tortech Australia and comes with a Mu-Metal casing shield.

Connectors are all 3pin XLR Silver plated Neutrik, why? Found them easy to use and fitting, PSU is a Positive Ground Negative, so i need 3 pins, Input and Outputs are also balanced, so it makes sense. I'm just scared being the klutz i am, i'll plug the PSUs into the inputs tongue.gif

I'm rather worried about case work rather than the amp itself. I've done tons of amps, but this will require a case of ass blasting proportions. Sigh, wish i could pay someone to do all the case work, but all the "handiwork" exihibited by my peers at Uni = worse sad.gif
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How about this AV228, cost effective.

http://www.vt4c.com/shop/program/main.php?...p_id=2&hit_cat=


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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 24 2009, 08:36 AM)
I actually settled on an ATI Technology full Alu case and a custom designed Front and rear panels with Front Panel Express last night.

Expensive, but if i'm building an awesome amp, might as well go superawesome. Also ordered silicon wipers for the board mounts and connectors, lol dampening. The only thing that is generally mid end is the heatsinking, because sourcing the heatsinks is insane, and because i'm anal when it comes to lead lenght, although i made up by using silver bearing thermal grease. Was thinking of forced induction cooling with a small rear mounted EBM PAPST 60mm fan and seperate PSU, but i'll see if things pan out.
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i like this one. good biggrin.gif
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Shit. Right now i can't remember if the Pin 1 of an XLR connector is connected to metal casing of the plug/socket and thus will mate the ground of the PSU to the socket, which is a huge no no because i wanna keep Signal and Power ground separate, but still be able to use XLR connectors to carry the power from the PSUs.

Anyways, i've already sent in the PSU frontpanels for production, about 160 Dorrars, shipping not included. Which is the shit part because i can't remember the basic XLR contruction

Specs for the PSUs, which should be finished by the end of the month. 1 PSU per 2 channels.

- Schaffner FN9263S PEM Filter
- Tortech Shielded Transformers
- Custom front and back panel plates with relevant markings
- Hammond 1455T2201 casing
- S22 PSU configured for 30V B22 Max
- Neutrik XLR for power umbilical connection
- Silicone washer dampening

i hope my memory kicks in. Been away too long. Will post pics when complete. Also finished CatEgg's M3 today except for the opamps, removed the old socketed 627s (if you're online, MSN me so i can place the order for the right opamps you want) and the heatsink mounting. Also finished the S11 PSU that was built for it. Kewl.
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Tested and assembled. Did no hearing test yet, but I'd assume it to be pretty good sounding. Basic Buffer application for pre amps or directly driving headphones. It's ac coupled so sources can do away the output caps.

EDIT: Next thing will be a dual rail PSU and a discrete amplifier biggrin.gif

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Just wonder hows the fully differential amps get going, is it musics flowing now ?

How;s the buffer circuit doing ? any diagram.

I am doing some phase lock loop filters for DAC. Wonder what type of capacitor and resistor I should use ? SMD. no way, it is too small for me to see. any suggestion .

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My lazy ass finished 1 B22 board. OMFG THE RESISTORSSSSSS. I realized that i hate soldering. 3 More to go. Blardy malas, but must to itttttt. Also had some delays due to police work for my firearms lesen and the fact the stupid safe had to be bolted in (Thanks Perry for the save laugh.gif). Pic of my workbench. And note that the periuk nasi has 2 week old mushy rice in it, don't dare wash it, i blame my housemate.

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Working on an M3 too, for KucingTelur. I realized i forgot to install ze output resistors, so i had to remove the FETs doh.gif.

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Worst of all for the B22 is, i was supposed to buy 56.2 Ohm resistors, but then i bought 56.2k Ohm ones. RAGEEEEEEE. Now i must order more from Mouser! Not that i won't, but it's just a hassle and makes me boh song because the amp board is missing 2 resistors.

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wah 1 resistor value order from mouser.. got free shipping from US to auzzie?

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wah 1 resistor value order from mouser.. got free shipping from US to auzzie?
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No free shipping, going to buy other stuff as well, got a few things on my list like CPF-1 Resistors, some Caddocks and Neutrik plugs.
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My lazy ass finished 1 B22 board. OMFG THE RESISTORSSSSSS. I realized that i hate soldering. 3 More to go. Blardy malas, but must to itttttt. Also had some delays due to police work for my firearms lesen and the fact the stupid safe had to be bolted in (Thanks Perry for the save laugh.gif). Pic of my workbench. And note that the periuk nasi has 2 week old mushy rice in it, don't dare wash it, i blame my housemate.

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Working on an M3 too, for KucingTelur. I realized i forgot to install ze output resistors, so i had to remove the FETs doh.gif.

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Worst of all for the B22 is, i was supposed to buy 56.2 Ohm resistors, but then i bought 56.2k Ohm ones. RAGEEEEEEE. Now i must order more from Mouser! Not that i won't, but it's just a hassle and makes me boh song because the amp board is missing 2 resistors.
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i really wonder if u r an engineering student. Those are noob mistake. You can talk technical, but i doubt it's accuracy now, hahahaha

Now i should sit back and enjoy my music while u can rant on my post or give me more technical knowledge lecture smile.gif

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QUOTE(valve_300b @ Jan 30 2009, 01:18 AM)
i really wonder if u r an engineering student. Those are noob mistake. You can talk technical, but i doubt it's accuracy now, hahahaha

Now i should sit back and enjoy my music while u can rant on my post or give me more technical knowledge lecture smile.gif
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Well, we all make mistakes, they're just like typos lol. Hey aren't you they guy with the cheap Nikon who bashes "poor" people who use headphones? I has a D3 and 1Ds Mk III tongue.gif Wanna see?

And yeah, still an engineering student, have moved on to the shit which is post grad. It's more like number crunching these days.

I think i've always made clear that when it comes to building amps, procurement is hardest parts. Hard to get shit sorted out when you're juggling tons of BOMs.
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Well, we all make mistakes, they're just like typos lol. Hey aren't you they guy with the cheap Nikon who bashes "poor" people who use headphones? I has a D3 and 1Ds Mk III tongue.gif Wanna see?

And yeah, still an engineering student, have moved on to the shit which is post grad. It's more like number crunching these days.

I think i've always made clear that when it comes to building amps, procurement is hardest parts. Hard to get shit sorted out when you're juggling tons of BOMs.
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i think you are still too Malaysian or should i say too malay. They just can't take criticism positively.

Just to share with you since I don't think you can figure this out. Ever wonder how does the deaf musican, Beethoven, listen to music? The skin on our body actually has senses. The dynamic and pressure produce by speakers or instrument can actually be picked up by the skin. This is where the realism is.

Read this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/...11128035455.htm

Headphone is not able to produce that to be picked up by ur skin. You can categorise me as 'perfectonist'. I'm after the finest art on earth, be it sound re-production or photos. As such, money is not in the picture. If you always wanted to compare the price per performance ratio, you will never get the best because the price can never justify it.

Btw, I think I have more, I have a D3x, A900, 1Ds MK III, H3D you wanna see ? You should try the D3x. Althought some sony fanboy seems to claim D3x uses the same sensor as A900, i don't see A900 coming near D3x.

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i think you are still too Malaysian or should i say too malay. They just can't take criticism positively.

Just to share with you since I don't think you can figure this out. Ever wonder how does the deaf musican, Beethoven, listen to music? The skin on our body actually has senses. The dynamic and pressure produce by speakers or instrument can actually be picked up by the skin. This is where the realism is.

Read this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/...11128035455.htm

Headphone is not able to produce that to be picked up by ur skin. You can categorise me as 'perfectonist'. I'm after the finest art on earth, be it sound re-production or photos. As such, money is not in the picture. If you always wanted to compare the price per performance ratio, you will never get the best because the price can never justify it.

Btw, I think I have more, I have a D3x, A900, 1Ds MK III, H3D you wanna see ? You should try the D3x. Althought some sony fanboy seems to claim D3x uses the same sensor as A900, i don't see A900 coming near D3x.
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You even played a musical instrument before lol? Once you have the basics, you can generally put it together in your head. You don't sense music, you think it, notes are written, then played to look for technical viability. Well that's the whole "formal" process behind it.

I like listening with my ears thank you very much, less distance, less distortion, less loss, more sensitivity from headphone drivers, higher impedence for better loading characteristics, and thus, a purer sound in the sense. Wonder why sound engineers use mostly headphones and small driver monitors? So sad. Yeah, maybe i'm the perfectionist here laugh.gif. Sigh, a lack of education, tsk tsk tongue.gif. And wait, those same engineers are the ones who master the CDs you play...ZOMG!

Wait, didn't your posts around here indicate you had a "cheaper" Nikon? Got a gallery i can see?

Anyways, don't want to make too much of an investment on audio or cameras, gotta get a Mannlincher rifle with Schimdt and Bender optics to put with my Remmy.

PS: You shouldn't even be in this thread, you can't even do Thevenin let alone solder without setting yourself on fire hahaha.

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You even played a musical instrument before lol? Once you have the basics, you can generally put it together in your head. You don't sense music, you think it, notes are written, then played to look for technical viability. Well that's the whole "formal" process behind it.

I like listening with my ears thank you very much, less distance, less distortion, less loss, more sensitivity from headphone drivers, higher impedence for better loading characteristics, and thus, a purer sound in the sense. Wonder why sound engineers use mostly headphones and small driver monitors? So sad. Yeah, maybe i'm the perfectionist here laugh.gif. Sigh, a lack of education, tsk tsk tongue.gif. And wait, those same engineers are the ones who master the CDs you play...ZOMG!

Wait, didn't your posts around here indicate you had a "cheaper" Nikon? Got a gallery i can see?

Anyways, don't want to make too much of an investment on audio or cameras, gotta get a Mannlincher rifle with Schimdt and Bender optics to put with my Remmy.
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sound engineer use headphone because it's just cheaper and they are not perfectionist smile.gif which is why i still prefer vinyl ! hahahaha how sure are you all sound engineer uses headphone? The Lucas Art studio i went isn't. They were mounted with JBL speakers earlier, now I think it was replaced by MK speakers.

I beg your pardon ? Is the deaf able to 'know' the high and low notes if u put them on headphone ? The answer is NO.


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PS: You shouldn't even be in this thread, you can't even do Thevenin let alone solder without setting yourself on fire hahaha.
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sorry i have not set fire soldering my first x-over for DIY speakers, my DIY pre-amp and my DIY amp smile.gif

at least i can read diagram properly and doesn't forget to solder my components or buy the wrong components...

V=IR works most of the time to me and some basic calculation of serial circuit and parallel is what i really need. And of course differentiating AC and DC smile.gif

if you get ur design right, i don't see the need of Thevenin Theorem. Perhaps noob will need it cause they might be too good in talking technical but can still get the calculation wrong smile.gif

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QUOTE(valve_300b @ Jan 30 2009, 02:13 AM)
sound engineer use headphone because it's just cheaper and they are not perfectionist smile.gif which is why i still prefer vinyl ! hahahaha how sure are you all sound engineer uses headphone? The Lucas Art studio i went isn't. They were mounted with JBL speakers earlier, now I think it was replaced by MK speakers.

I beg your pardon ? Is the deaf able to 'know' the high and low notes if u put them on headphone ? The answer is NO.
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Well, it's the sound engineers that use the headphones to tune that sound, and yeah, the sound engineers are the ones that use vinyl too. Lucas Arts makes games lah, what do they have to do with being audiophiles? Lucas Film maybe.....but IIRC they leave their music recordings and mixing to Sony BMG. BTW, you're calling yourself a perfectionist, while you say the people who do this for a living aren't? Zounds....i'll have a few chuckles with the boys at the sound engineering labs and the recording labs on your behalf. Yeah, that's why we spend 5 years to learn stuff, so we can be less perfectionistic than audiophiles rclxms.gif

Anyways, yeah, they use speakers, or known as monitors, with low wattage, high sensitivity and small drivers, with a flat frequency response and none of the frequency compensation used by audiophile speakers and they're designed for close distance listening for the least distortion.

Yes, we call those kinds headphones, hearing aids. LOL.


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sorry i have not set fire soldering my first x-over for DIY speakers, my DIY pre-amp and my DIY amp smile.gif

at least i can read diagram properly and doesn't forget to solder my components or buy the wrong components...

V=IR works most of the time to me and some basic calculation of serial circuit and parallel is what i really need. And of course differentiating AC and DC smile.gif

if you get ur design right, i don't see the need of Thevenin Theorem. Perhaps noob will need it cause they might be too good in talking technical but can still get the calculation wrong smile.gif
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I want to laugh, but i feel like crying. I feel so sad for you man. Really.

Next you'll be telling me i can throw away by Smith charts to do complex impedence.

You know man, i love you. You're so dumb you make me seem smarter than i actually am.

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I found it to be very little photo when there are quite a number of DIY here.

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I found it to be very little photo when there are quite a number of DIY here.
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What do you mean?
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if you get ur design right, i don't see the need of Thevenin Theorem. Perhaps noob will need it cause they might be too good in talking technical but can still get the calculation wrong smile.gif
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I lol'd IRL.

Small signal and large signal analysis, hybrid models and such. If your design doesnt revolve around around that, then it has failed.





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I dont see the gain from the person who try to or intend to show his mastery of audio. All I hear is distortion.

Guys, let get back to the works from where it began. Hopefully the biasing is not an issue.
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XD it will be an issue if he uses the 56.2k Ohm resistors.


The FETs have the best symmetrical swing with 50Ohm loading.
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What do you mean?
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i believe alot of forumers has DIY some amps. But I browse through the 4 pages, there's nothing much except for your Work In Progress photos. I remember seeing some photos on setup for forumers. In V1 maybe?
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XD it will be an issue if he uses the 56.2k Ohm resistors.
The FETs have the best symmetrical swing with 50Ohm loading.
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Not THAT senile tongue.gif YET.

But doing a cursory check, i think i screwed up a few pots. Note to self, don't do work at 3am, it's not good for accuracy.

Now must go beg the evil powers that are for the use of the desoldering machine. Sien when i see that Lec's face, it's like he's constantly pissed off at something.


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i believe alot of forumers has DIY some amps. But I browse through the 4 pages, there's nothing much except for your Work In Progress photos. I remember seeing some photos on setup for forumers. In V1 maybe?


Alot have DIY amps, very little actually build them, a large majority of them are built by Littleghost, Eokboy, Thedoctor and other forumers and not all post works in progress pics. I generally do so to keep my customers in the loop due to my long building times so they don't say i'm a lazy bustard who only sleep at home (actually i am tongue.gif)

Try the headwize or diyaudio amp builds thread, i go there for my DIY amp picture porn and it teaches you alot of stuff just by looking at pics.
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This is an amp that i just finished for a forumer. Class A biased Diamond buffers with a dual opamp, plus a mini 12V regulator. Used quality components.

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Also, pcb'ed dB3 amplifier (single layer) for prototyping. Etched myself using iron transfer. Planning to go fully factory manufactured PCB after I'm done tweaking it with an OPAMP that would beat even discrete stages.

Capacitance multiplier seems great for isolation but I'm currently thinking of individual shunt regulators per OPAMP for greater isolation.

Just finished populating it last night. Might do some listening tests later after I claim my RM600 for the road tax. lawl.

Here are some other older pictures if anyone of you are interested:
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My main amp tongue.gif. AD825 fully Class A amplifier.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 30 2009, 11:01 AM)
Demanded PICTARS? Request delivered.

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This is an amp that i just finished for a forumer. Class A biased Diamond buffers with a dual opamp, plus a mini 12V regulator. Used quality components.

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Also, pcb'ed dB3 amplifier (single layer) for prototyping. Etched myself using iron transfer. Planning to go fully factory manufactured PCB after I'm done tweaking it with an OPAMP that would beat even discrete stages.

Capacitance multiplier seems great for isolation but I'm currently thinking of individual shunt regulators per OPAMP for greater isolation.

Just finished populating it last night. Might do some listening tests later after I claim my RM600 for the road tax. lawl.

Here are some other older pictures if anyone of you are interested:
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My main amp tongue.gif. AD825 fully Class A amplifier.
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Shunt regulator as in an IC Linear reg per channel? Or a MOSFET as a pass tranny with a feedback opamp?

Lol, anyone putting on a discreet FET reg and cap multiplier would be arsed for board space, and not to mention you'd need a low imp path for the gate control which complicates matters. But nonetheless, it would be awesome. Overkill, but awesome.

As for the dB3, to get an opamp that would beat a discrete would take alot of effort, and you might have to employ compensation to keep the opamp sane if the board isn't small enough. (tip : No sockets lol, gives a bit of leeway)
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nay, i'm thinking off simple discrete shunt regulators instead of a single capacitance multiplier. A low noise BZXC series zener diode buffered by a low noise BJT. It really does not take up much space though. More like PPA's isolation JFET plus four more components per channel. IC Linear regs? XD I'd rather do 3 jungs and feed 3 separate channels. However seriously unnecessary lol. I'd be gone with fully discretes if I were to reach that point.

I've been hearing good words on the AD797BRZ (higher grade with very different specs comparing to the ARZ version). However it's bloody hard to implement properly due to it's insane speed. Not to mention input bias is high due to it's BJT input. Planning to build an amp that revolves around that chip and properly bypassed and compensated. biggrin.gif


I've had that gut feeling that the Input transistors of the diamond buffer plays the most significant role in that topology. Hence why the use of very high impedance swap mirrors with feedback to load the input transistors. Sounds better than a regular PPA buffer. Thinking of further cascoding the input transistors. I guess I'll have to sim moar to proof that the most significant influence comes from the input transistors.




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I wonder how would AD797 fair compare to OPA627. Are they the same class. fast, detail and clean.
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not the same class biggrin.gif

AD797 is way ahead of the OPA627, specs wise.


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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 31 2009, 08:44 AM)
nay, i'm thinking off simple discrete shunt regulators instead of a single capacitance multiplier.  A low noise BZXC series zener diode buffered by a low noise BJT. It really does not take up much space though. More like PPA's isolation JFET plus four more components per channel. IC Linear regs? XD I'd rather do 3 jungs and feed 3 separate channels. However seriously unnecessary lol. I'd be gone with fully discretes if I were to reach that point.

I've been hearing good words on the AD797BRZ (higher grade with very different specs comparing to the ARZ version). However it's bloody hard to implement properly due to it's insane speed. Not to mention input bias is high due to it's BJT input. Planning to build an amp that revolves around that chip and properly bypassed and compensated. biggrin.gif
I've had that gut feeling that the Input transistors of the diamond buffer plays the most significant role in that topology. Hence why the use of very high impedance swap mirrors with feedback to load the input transistors. Sounds better than a regular PPA buffer. Thinking of further cascoding the input transistors. I guess I'll have to sim moar to proof that the most significant influence comes from the input transistors.
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Hmm, a Zener and a BJT.... for the same board space but more moar moolah, change BJT with Pass FET, Use zener as VRef add small SOIC error amp. Muahahhahaha, i'm the bad idea fairy and i'm here to dole out stuff to screw up designs rclxms.gif

Lol the 797, why do i now sweat thinking of taming it and about the countless hours infront of a PC to optimize the NFB loop length and short bypassing.....mah salutes to you, i for one hate highspeed AD Opamps.

As for the dB's input trannies, i think PPL already made it clear it's a tradeoff between stability and perf. Further cascoding would stabilize it better for more enhancement, but that would also require more matching on your part of the cascode stage itself. Work....more work, i'm allergic to it tongue.gif
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 31 2009, 10:46 AM)
not the same class biggrin.gif

AD797 is way ahead of the OPA627, specs wise.
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This AD797 is interesting. superfast, clean and low noise. but how would it compare to discrete such as OPA Sun V2. opamp cant live up to discrete right.
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Not necessarily.

Read the recent review from Majkel? He ranked the AD797 better than the OPAs from Audio-GD.

HDAMs are kinda limited in some area due to space constrains. You cant lay additional parts for it. The AD797 is also an improved folded cascode topology which gives it insanely low distortion. (tip: the extra transistor on the floating mirror biggrin.gif) If you want to beat that you'll have to lay the entire amplifier circuit down instead and use as much performance enhancing designs as possible.


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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 31 2009, 01:29 PM)
Not necessarily.

Read the recent review from Majkel? He ranked the AD797 better than the OPAs from Audio-GD.

HDAMs are kinda limited in some area due to space constrains. You cant lay additional parts for it. The AD797 is also an improved folded cascode topology which gives it insanely low distortion. (tip: the extra transistor on the floating mirror biggrin.gif) If you want to beat that you'll have to lay the entire amplifier circuit down instead and use as much performance enhancing designs as possible.
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I just read the data sheet.

Reminds me so much of the LM4562. Both are BJT inputs, have great performance and voltage range, but are really b****es to work with.
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Not only that. The AD797 hates driving capacitive loads too. Fortunately I'll be using a buffer along with it so it's not really an issue lol.

Just pray that it's not as worse as the AD8397. I don't want to use ferrite beads on mein signal.
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I wonder if anyone has AD797 x 4 for loan and test. it looks promising to be used for IV conversion and then buffer output of the TDA 1541a
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I wonder if anyone has AD797 x 4 for loan and test. it looks promising to be used for IV conversion and then buffer output of the TDA 1541a
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They don't seem too good for that kind of work man. Just my 2 cents.

A buffer should always be one tough basket that'll drive anything under the blue sky. Buffers are also Unity gain, and unstable amps at unity gain are well....unstable tongue.gif

Try this http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LME49600.pdf
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Empire23 is right. It hates driving capacitive loads like I've mentioned earlier. Adding output resistances will counter it but you kinda mess up the whole idea of a buffer (low Zo)

The AD797 is not cost effective. How about giving Amb's Jisbos a try? It's one of the best buffers around.




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Well this is my output stage of the TDA1541A. I will implement the DEM reclocking using 352kHz (i.e. remove C19 and add the 352kHz positive and inverting clock as in diyaudio to remove the intermodulation cause by the DA conversion.)

I dont like this output stage as it sounds rather resistricted. further I dont see the recommendation by AD being implemented in this output stage.

Qustion : What is global feedback. Does this output stage have global feedback?

Qujestion 2 : The first 2 NE5534 is IV conversion right? The second is buffering right ?

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The AD797 is a beast. I doubt the schematic's AD797 is properly implemented.

AD797 requires a lot of effort to tame it down and to sound good.

Q1: yes it does have global feedback. Global feedback generally means the loop encompasses the entire signal path. Feedback point is taken from the end of the output.

Q2:Schematic doesnt show the NE5534
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Well this is my output stage of the TDA1541A. I will implement the DEM reclocking using 352kHz (i.e. remove C19 and add the 352kHz positive and inverting clock as in diyaudio to remove the intermodulation cause by the DA conversion.)

I dont like this output stage as it sounds rather resistricted. further I dont see the recommendation by AD being implemented in this output stage.

Qustion : What is global feedback. Does this output stage have global feedback?

Qujestion 2 : The first 2 NE5534 is IV conversion right? The second is buffering right ?

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Before you go further. That's a shitload of voltage on the opamp supply rails man tongue.gif

If you ask me, when it comes to DACs, follow what the datasheet says. Because to sell the DACs the Manufacturer has to spec them at high performance levels, and to do that they need very specific circuits, which they almost always include in the Dsheet. The only thing i recommend you tweak aside from simple component replacement (eg; replacing the buffer amp with a dB or JISBOS straight) would be to change the DAC select settings.

Oh yeah, i see DC offset removal caps in the signal path. DO NOT WANT.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Feb 1 2009, 10:38 PM)
The AD797 is a beast. I doubt the schematic's AD797 is properly implemented.

AD797 requires a lot of effort to tame it down and to sound good.

Q1: yes it does have global feedback. Global feedback generally means the loop encompasses the entire signal path. Feedback point is taken from the end of the output.

Q2:Schematic doesnt show the NE5534
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Q1 : Oops. That's not what I want. But the global feedback is the easiest to implement. I wonder if people say no global feedback with with proper selection of filters, they are talking about multiple order of filter, perhaps 3rd to 6 order. (why is feedback adding so much odd order harmonix )

Q2. the triangle is the NE5534 single output. It can be directly replaced with AD797. What is recommended in AD797 is this.

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DC blocking capacitors in the output is unavoidable as this DAC1541A is output DC coupled.

Isnt that almost always current output DAC such as TDA 1541 uses the IV as first stage and then follow by Buffering for isolation?

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Feedback is a good thing. But too much is bad. The feedback factor on opamps are generally high due to the very high open loop gain and the not so flat/linear open loop gain/bandwidth.


Another way to counter this is to use jung multiloop so you push the distortions due to feedback out of the audio spectrum.


EDIT: Yes, the TDA is dc coupled. Caps however can be added in between stages for better effect. If the AD797 is stable, you can put a small high quality film cap between the DAC and the buffer instead to get more efficiency and signal quality. Since the input Z of the opamp is high, you don't need an electrolytic.

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Wau. that sound to chim to me.

The circuit i given is from JAPAN TDA1541a circuit mass produced in Hong Kong. So the cmponent values are basically tested for use with those opamp. If I were to place the dc blocking cap between IV and LP stage, that will involve changing the values of the RC circuit righte.
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Hay Guis. Just got my SumR trannies. Doesn't come with the pottery case because i felt it didn't look cool enough.

Now due to my pocket being blown to bits by the recession, casing the B22 PSUs will have to wait. Sadly.

The extra tranny is for a S11 powering an M^3 so i figured 20 VA should hold the fort as these trannies are underrated.

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hi diy amp community,

how about some FET cyclotron, the atom smasher. no. the amp..

http://www.passdiy.com/pdf/Build%20The%20A...0Circlotron.pdf
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SUM R toroids, are they any good?

ccschua, interesting stuff that Circlotron.. you getting one? wink.gif

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hi diy amp community,

how about some FET cyclotron, the atom smasher. no. the amp..

http://www.passdiy.com/pdf/Build%20The%20A...0Circlotron.pdf
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Topology seems very old and a tad bit too simple when compared to topologies like the Firstwatt F series and the Beta24.

Anyways, i'mma looking for self tapping M3 screws for my FETs. Finished the S22 PSU, waiting on the cases for now.
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I'm 2 Blackgate Caps short of having a full B22 balanced blackgated. Using my old stocks that i had left over.

Can anyone help me hit up Octave electronics for some 470uF 50v and 100uF 50v blackgates? I'll pay for everything including a hefty dinner brows.gif
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aiyo. I have that in silmic II for 470uF / 50V.
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aiyo. I have that in silmic II for 470uF / 50V.
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I got tons of silmic IIs, always buy in bags of 200s.

I wan blackgates for bling factor, not because of performance brows.gif

And i beh tahan there are 6 caps and yet i need 8. So might as well buy 10.
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someone at diyaudio is coming with some findings on the issue blackgate being out of production. there will come a time blackgate will end up like dinasours and new species is on the horizon. can catch the story at diyaudio.
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Thanks for the info, I have read the postings...

Time to 'stock up' then? tongue.gif

But personally, I don't use much BGs in my work...

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someone at diyaudio is coming with some findings on the issue blackgate being out of production. there will come a time blackgate will end up like dinasours and new species is on the horizon. can catch the story at diyaudio.
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I'd use some OS CONs in parallel with polypropelenes over blackgates anyday biggrin.gif
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I read some diyaudio test on capacitor using large ceramic cap as bypass and have the THD scanned with good results. Too bad, I have lost that page.
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I'd use some OS CONs in parallel with polypropelenes over blackgates anyday biggrin.gif
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Too high voltage for OSCON use.

Use blackgates AND bypass them with WIMA MKS2s, lol, i've already got the wimas, now just trying to find the BGs.
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I read some diyaudio test on capacitor using large ceramic cap as bypass and have the THD scanned  with good results. Too bad, I have lost that page.
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Ceramics are good stuffs. Especially anything X7R and above. X7R for PSU, COG/NPO for Signal path. (phase lead compensation)

QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 9 2009, 01:23 AM)
Too high voltage for OSCON use.

Use blackgates AND bypass them with WIMA MKS2s, lol, i've already got the wimas, now just trying to find the BGs.
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don't want.

You can still find some rare OSCONS around that have sufficient voltage value. The beauty of differential drive is that by using less caps that are in the signal path (e.g. rail to ground) you force the active channels to do the work more. Plus rail cancellation pretty much makes noise moot. Not to mention Class A constant current drawing.


OS CONs (the light blue ones) also look better than blackgates. biggrin.gif
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What is the guide for choosing X7R for power supply, and COG/NPO for Signal path ? What is code and which brand and value is normally used?
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What is the guide for choosing X7R for power supply, and COG/NPO for Signal path ? What is code and which brand and value is normally used?
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X7R is temp stable, making them useful in really really hot PSU sections. Usually used for bypassing, usually anything between 200pF to 0.1uF are good depending on the noise from the PSU you with to defeat.

C0G/NP0 is low loss, low inductivity and low dissipation, this makes it good for high frequency circuits, usually a rail to rail solution with ultra short leads between the rail legs of the device can calm most unstable electronics. Generally 0.1uF to 1uF is the accepted general here, depending on the speed of the circuit.

I usually use Kemet GoldenMax.
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EDIT: Damn empire23 for being faster.

Anyway, Kemet Golden series arent the only choices.

Vishay BCs are great too.

For COG/NPO grade, sometimes you can replace it with Silver Mica equivalents if you desire.

To add to empire23's points, you cant usually find higher capacitance values of the same efficient footprint with COG/NPOs. Which is why we compromise using X7R.

Grade 1 = COG/NPO
Grade 2 = X7R
Grade 3 = Z5U




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Just to put the link, I hope to see a breakthru of the ceramic cap for bypass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X7R

and the comparisons of pp, X7R, NP0

http://www.wima.com/EN/characteristics.htm

Finally I found the thread that talks about the NP0 :-

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=4562

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what about 10pf film caps??
does it have the same benefit as ceramic one?
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by any chance anyone interested in a 20V regulated PSU with 100VA toroid transformer, slow start circuit and MUR820 ultra-fast diodes.

100VA 21V Toroid transformer
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choke and line filter/conditioner at AC line with earth protection and fuse.
high quality Elna caps+tantalum caps.


Will retrim board, but no casing supplied. Im moving, clearing things in my room..seriously.

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what about 10pf film caps??
does it have the same benefit as ceramic one?
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ceramics are special in the sense that they are very very small, and can be used very close to the circuit pins for lowest inductance, impedance and noise.

You cant get the same footprint/size given the same capacitance with the film caps. Depending on the application, ceramics are superior in this regard.

We normally don't use them for signal path though.


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ceramics are special in the sense that they are very very small, and can be used very close to the circuit pins for lowest inductance, impedance and noise.

You cant get the same footprint/size given the same capacitance with the film caps. Depending on the application, ceramics are superior in this regard.

We normally don't use them for signal path though.
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Yeah I've mentioned that a few times too. But apparently no takers.


Maybe the added distortion/placebo is well worth it.

Heck I've even seen some people incapable of telling the difference between Discrete buffers and the BUF634, so I'm not really surprised at our own limitations.
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Heck I've even seen some people incapable of telling the difference between Discrete buffers and the BUF634, so I'm not really surprised at our own limitations.


hahahhahah like me!!! tongue.gif
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When it concerns commercial amplifiers these days, having a larger "penis" works wonders.

It's all about pimping those testosterone into your amplifiers.

I don't care if you have FMs, but my OS CONS/blackgates will eat you alive.
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it is good to have those 'cap' in the pocket. I would spend the money somewhere like the output stage, getting the BJT or JFETS matched, or even getting fully discrete IV Conversion with as little as components possible.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Feb 10 2009, 11:39 PM)
When it concerns commercial amplifiers these days, having a larger "penis" works wonders.

It's all about pimping those testosterone into your amplifiers.

I don't care if you have FMs, but my OS CONS/blackgates will eat you alive.
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Selling amps is like selling bling lol, like telling people my amp has a negative feedback system and a push pull complementary output stage and a buffered divided rail dual voltage power supply tongue.gif

Bling for bling sake is nice, but the most important is that people don't get fleeced into believing the wrong things.
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wow I have so many trans impedance BJT and JFET for trail on my IV conversion stage. just share some configuration here.

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A friend brought this over for some 'help'.
It's SOAP (Simple OpAm Pre).
I just need to connect the tranny and to adjust the regulator so that the output is 15VDC. Have not test it out yet.. This SOAP to be used with his GainClone which he is currently building...


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ahh pcbs.

I guess most of us finally went from

Protoboards ---> self etched PCBs.


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You got that right Lil'Ghost.. it seems easier wink.gif
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how do get this professionally done ? any compnay in malaysia doing some quantities like 20 pcs?
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I vaguely remembers someone said there is... but NOT for the 'local' market... hence the absence from local scene...
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any 1 build class d amplifier b4? class d is efficiency tat class ab, but its less THD tat class ab?
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There's a T-Amp thread somewhere... have a look wink.gif


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just wonder what happen to the empy B22 amp. is it burning with musics now.. hope the bush fire does not cause any to musics.
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regarding the pcbs......my supervisor contracts this company ni Kampar or somewhere in Perak.

the minimum order i head is 700 bucks though
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just wonder what happen to the empy B22 amp. is it burning with musics now.. hope the bush fire does not cause any to musics.
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Got the rest of the parts a few days ago, but then went down to Sydney and Canberra to jumpa kawan, lol 1200 km drive.

Just got back. Will start when i'm feelin hardworkin.
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Not sure this is the right place to post this question, but I'm looking to buy some soldering gear.

Question:
How much do the Hakko Presto 20-130W soldering gun cost in Malaysia?

I have seen on these pages going for around RM75-85 yet the shops are asking for around RM50.
Which is the correct price?

I also read there are fakes going around?
How does one not get cheated?

Thanks in advance.
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I got mine for RM58 from a RM65 displayed price tag.

There are look alikes but with a different name and much lower price tags..

QUOTE(totally_skint @ Feb 26 2009, 11:50 AM)
Not sure this is the right place to post this question, but I'm looking to buy some soldering gear.

Question:
How much do the Hakko Presto 20-130W soldering gun cost in Malaysia?

I have seen on these pages going for around RM75-85 yet the shops are asking for around RM50.
Which is the correct price?

I also read there are fakes going around?
How does one not get cheated?

Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Feb 26 2009, 02:14 PM)
I got mine for RM58 from a RM65 displayed price tag.

There are look alikes but with a different name and much lower price tags..
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Thanks jazzy,

It's not the ones with different names and prices that worry me, it's the one with the same name and same price but isn't.

Can I get replacement heater elements for the Presto?

Howsabout Antex irons?
Are the replacement tips easily found here?

Still skint cry.gif

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Im waiting for a pcb dac from hohodiy
and its psu pcb...

frm LG info..looks like a sulzer based


got some stuff to use.

oscon caps
vishay dale resistor
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Not at all.
I know the feeling. Buy from 'reputable' outlets like the Pro's Kit shop and MAPLIN from Jalan Pasar.

Given the choice, the Antex will last you a long time! I had an Antex once when I was in the early stage of my hobby.
Honestly I have not seen any replacement heater elements.. maybe the shop have it, a matter of asking I guess..

I have seen tips for the Antex though... biggrin.gif


QUOTE(totally_skint @ Feb 26 2009, 06:42 PM)
Thanks jazzy,

It's not the ones with different names and prices that worry me, it's the one with the same name and same price but isn't.

Can I get replacement heater elements for the Presto?

Howsabout Antex irons?
Are the replacement tips easily found here?

Still skint cry.gif
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I got my C2240, k170 plus a host of other transistor from Maplin. I was surprise to get those component from Maplin. However they dont really have the 556B.

Maplin also have Bennic. Wonder if it is the real stuff or not ?

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How much would the Bennic costs over the 'normal' JP stuffs?
This would be reflected by the price I guess.. still, can't really trust branded stuffs from JP.. tongue.gif

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Maplin also have Bennic. Wonder if it is the real stuff or not ?
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This would be reflected by the price I guess.. still, can't really trust branded stuffs from JP.. tongue.gif
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I'm very wary of "fake" transistors nowadays from Pasar Rd. Already there's fake caps. It does take some experience to identify them and hints can be googled. Fake power transistors on the output and fry your loudspeakers. Just be careful.
A very recent visit to Pasar Rd and I was taken aback to see many Hakko tools have increased in price. I think Proskit (supposed to be budget tools) have also seen price increase to somewhat rediculous levels. Something is very wrong going on...especially at this time when everyone harping on economy no good.

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Hakko and Proskit price increased? man, that is BAD news! doh.gif
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quite true. a lot of items on partsconnexion are on sales. fake transistors burn the speakers, I guess not on mine.

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Feb 28 2009, 01:10 AM)
I got my C2240, k170 plus a host of other transistor from Maplin. I was surprise to get those component from Maplin. However they dont really have the 556B.

Maplin also have Bennic. Wonder if it is the real stuff or not ?
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the real bennic cap being use by B&W in their Naulitus range.....still people consider bennic is the most entry level poly caps from all audiophile brands available....i let this to each individual to evaluate. but i'm also puzzled and keen to know whether it is the real or fake....??? hmm.gif


last time a friend showed to me how a fake JP Rubycon capacitor look like...and it just as same as the real one except the size is much much more small and it says...."Rukyconshakehead.gif

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sry if i ask a stupid question..
but DIY cable is it really worth it??
i mean the neutrik one??
jus doing some research
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Considering the (minimal) cost, I'd say YES! biggrin.gif

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sry if i ask a stupid question..
but DIY cable is it really worth it??
i mean the neutrik one??
jus doing some research
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Feb 28 2009, 12:10 AM)
I got my C2240, k170 plus a host of other transistor from Maplin. I was surprise to get those component from Maplin. However they dont really have the 556B.

Maplin also have Bennic. Wonder if it is the real stuff or not ?
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Been to Maplin last week. intention to buy K170 after reading this thread..
but they blur2 said dun have this part number sad.gif

anyone have spare? need 1 only....


Added on March 20, 2009, 7:37 pmmy case done already...biggrin.gif

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dead forum??

please guys........anyone tried Szekeres class a amp???
how does it sound???
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k170? it could be sk170..
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k170? it could be sk170..
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They(Maplin) don't have them. I asked.
I use a substitute which turn out quite well.. wink.gif
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They(Maplin) don't have them. I asked.
I use a substitute which turn out quite well.. wink.gif
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bro..may i know the substitute?>
k30?
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I use a 2N5457 for my buffer/preamp project. Some component values need to be changed.

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bro..may i know the substitute?>
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ah ok.....

mine is pcb.... but anyway found out its not k170 issue....hehhe
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Good for you! wink.gif

QUOTE(CV6149 @ Apr 1 2009, 11:41 AM)
ah ok.....

mine is pcb.... but anyway found out its not k170 issue....hehhe
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erm,may i know how much is the cheapest amp that can get?
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Cheapest amp to drive a normal speaker? Around a 100 bucks or so.. wink.gif

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erm,may i know how much is the cheapest amp that can get?
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Anyone knows any simple cmoy amp that i can DIY myself which provide good SQ?
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This is what you get if you can use GOOGLE:

http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/

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Anyone knows any simple cmoy amp that i can DIY myself which provide good SQ?
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i do came across a few website, that is ONE of them that i read. but for the sq is it really worth it for me to DIY?
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If you have read what the others have been saying about the CMOY, then only you can answer that question. tongue.gif

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i do came across a few website, that is ONE of them that i read. but for the sq is it really worth it for me to DIY?
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maybe I am late here lolx from what I read, ClieOS did mention that its better than Fiio E5.

A question is why is it using 2 x 9V battery where most of the portable amp using 9V only?
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 6 2009, 09:46 PM)
i do came across a few website, that is ONE of them that i read. but for the sq is it really worth it for me to DIY?
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u worry too much...
if u really into diy..
u will do it
not asking all these question...

aiih......... rclxub.gif

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Well said CV6149! laugh.gif
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I feel its interesting to DIY and I do not have the time to do so, probably after 1 month after my finals. In the mean time I would like to read more instead of starting blindly without knowing anything at all.

What you guys said is really discouraging and turn ppl off. No wonder this thread is dead. You guys are once a newbie too. No hard feelings. Ciao~!

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Before we start DIY we must plan our voltages and components. Hence the question, 9V or 18V.
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Very true! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 7 2009, 10:25 PM)
I feel its interesting to DIY and I do not have the time to do so, probably after 1 month after my finals. In the mean time I would like to read more instead of starting blindly without knowing anything at all.

What you guys said is really discouraging and turn ppl off. No wonder this thread is dead. You guys are once a newbie too. No hard feelings. Ciao~!
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well go on and read more...........and research and google......http://www.headwize.com/projects/cmoy2_prj.htm <<<The original where it all started..
it will answered all your question....including 9v or 18v question......

thread dead is not because what we all said isn it? biggrin.gif


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some picture bro!! drool.gif drool.gif

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 7 2009, 10:25 PM)
I feel its interesting to DIY and I do not have the time to do so, probably after 1 month after my finals. In the mean time I would like to read more instead of starting blindly without knowing anything at all.

What you guys said is really discouraging and turn ppl off. No wonder this thread is dead. You guys are once a newbie too. No hard feelings. Ciao~!
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You have no idea what I've been through before I started building my CMOY. Without even asking one single question I actually spent half a year reading up basic electronics, googling consistently reviewing and analyzing the tangentsoft article diyamp V1 thread by a magnitude of at least 50 times.(bad move to change this thread into V2, Admin:scotty =.=)

The only questions worth asking are troubleshooting questions. We do have a concrete reason for suggesting the CMOY because it's a foundation of what you're going to do in the future when moving up the ladder.

Whether or not the SQ is worth it or not is out of the question. Sometimes if people move up too fast (By choosing SQ instead of ease of build) they lose the confident and motivation to move on because of the difficulty to continue.

EDIT:

I think the only thing you have to start worrying if you're interested is the components and parts. If you're interested I can share you a few tricks on how to get scarce items if you're away from the convenience of JP (like me)

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http://img12.imageshack.us/slideshow/playe...9182785o8k.smil

actual image are not that bright. camera in long expose mode set without stand. blurry.. haha. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(kubing @ Apr 8 2009, 05:18 PM)
http://img12.imageshack.us/slideshow/playe...9182785o8k.smil

actual image are not that bright. camera in long expose mode set without stand. blurry.. haha.  biggrin.gif
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whats the tiub no and where you get it?
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Nowadays, the DIY is a bit quiet. Well, not me.

I have the simplest IV transinpedance circuit done and it is fast, dynamics, energetic, clean and clear.

PM me if u intend to know more on IV.


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kubing...is it soha amp?
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whats the tiub no and where you get it?
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get from my friend. EH6922 made in rusia.


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kubing...is it soha amp?
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not soha. my version of yaha actually.


Added on April 8, 2009, 9:01 pmwell respond on oscilloscope test.
working on pcb rite now but quite bzy. going to camping tomorrow till next Wednesday.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 8 2009, 08:28 AM)
You have no idea what I've been through before I started building my CMOY. Without even asking one single question I actually spent half a year reading up basic electronics, googling consistently reviewing and analyzing the tangentsoft article diyamp V1 thread by a magnitude of at least 50 times.(bad move to change this thread into V2, Admin:scotty =.=)

The only questions worth asking are troubleshooting questions. We do have a concrete reason for suggesting the CMOY because it's a foundation of what you're going to do in the future when moving up the ladder.

Whether or not the SQ is worth it or not is out of the question. Sometimes if people move up too fast (By choosing SQ instead of ease of build) they lose the confident and motivation to move on because of the difficulty to continue.

EDIT:

I think the only thing you have to start worrying if you're interested is the components and parts. If you're interested I can share you a few tricks on how to get scarce items if you're away from the convenience of JP (like me)
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OK, i guess CMOY will be my first step for DIY Amp.

Thanks for the explanation bro and i might ask u where to find certain item if cannot get from Pasar Road tongue.gif
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All the best chicaman! You know where to drop in if you need any help, right? wink.gif
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Yeah definately and thanks in advance first.

Target to start after my finals in 4 more weeks blush.gif
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OK, i guess CMOY will be my first step for DIY Amp.

Thanks for the explanation bro and i might ask u where to find certain item if cannot get from Pasar Road tongue.gif
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are you a student?

If then register for a Farnell account at http://my.farnell.com and call them for a student account. IIRC 15% discount. Damn worth it if you know what to look for.

There you can get plentiful of items for cmoys and even more pimp projects.

If you live too far away from JP I don't mind packing a kit for you as I have leftover parts for the cmoy.





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Wow, i didn't know farnell offer student discount. Thanks for the heads up!
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 8 2009, 11:17 PM)
are you a student?

If then register for a Farnell account at http://my.farnell.com and call them for a student account. IIRC 15% discount. Damn worth it if you know what to look for.

There you can get plentiful of items for cmoys and even more pimp projects.

If you live too far away from JP I don't mind packing a kit for you as I have leftover parts for the cmoy.
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JP? Japan?
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jalan pasar..its heaven for electrical/electronics parts..
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Hi. I am doing research and interested to do some litttle DIY for the fun of it. I need some help here. What tools should i get to get started?
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Need to know what you're making/building in the first place... tongue.gif

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Hi. I am doing research and interested to do some litttle DIY for the fun of it. I need some help here. What tools should i get to get started?
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definitely a good solder...try to get GOOT or HAKKO 30w shud suffice to do the job

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I pretty much agree to that!
A soldering iron stand would be nice to have. Small pliers, cutters, phillips screw drivers, jewellers screw driver set, small magnifying glass, a multimeter(analogue/digital), a variable bench power supply, a toolbox for sure to keep all your goodies... wink.gif

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definitely a good solder...try to get GOOT or HAKKO 30w shud suffice to do the job
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I have a circuit ready for PCB production. Can I know what software to use for population ? any company can help me with the design of PCB ?
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try diptrace. it's free and has plentiful features.

I'd suggest making the PCB on your own. It's better this way because you can do whatever you want to it.

Out of curiosity, you're building an I/V stage?


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Yeah. It is the simplest IV stage that ever built. first 2sc2240 for IV and the second 2sc2240 for buffer.

I have seen and heard complicated IV with > 50 transistors. However the sound is no better than using 2 transistors and other assorted component. It is current conveyance with coupling cap Mundorf supreme (cant afford VCAP TFTF) with Roederstein 1837 bypass. Then IV resistor Vishay precision with 0.01% accuracy and 4x3300uF ELNA cap pool. filtering using Jantzen air core choke. this assorted item is coming soon from partsnexxion.

"" quote from ECDesign ""

The output stage appears to work best when loaded with a choke. Push-pull, (cascoded) current source, and many other configurations failed to achieve the clarity produced by a choke-loaded SE buffer, and produced much higher measurable noise levels at the buffer output. I now use small 1.6VA toroidal transformers (2 x 115V primary, secondary of 2x9V are not connected). These have a DC resistance of approx. 2 K Ohm (primary windings connected in series). I connected this choke between the emitter and -12V. (so the output buffer runs on +/-12V). This saves buying a 500R bulk metal foil, and sounds much better.
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ccschua,
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I would go with LittleGhost recommendations. I personally use Diptrace. The learning curve is short (to me) and making your own PCB give you much freedom, circuit layout, size and that 'satisfaction' wink.gif
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with a circuit this minimal, I'd suggest super compact point to point on a perfboard.

It'll probably be much more cost effective than using PCB. I don't see how going full PCB would be much better than a compact point to point for this.
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see your point. isnt there some advantage using PCB for double layer with proper ground plane execution.

I have a question. The below is the IV circuit that I am executing.

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IDac is always zero being the virtual ground for IV Conversion. In addition to this circuit,

Instead of using 100k ohm, I am using 10k ohm to give a f 3db lower than 20Hz. This output feeds the tube amp with a 10k pot in parallel with a 470k grid resistor.

I see something wrong this circuit in the sense the input impedance for tube amp is too low. so when couple with the 10k ground leak resistor, I am having on 5k which shifts the f 3dB to 40hz?

the detail circuit is below.

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see your point. isnt there some advantage using PCB for double layer with proper ground plane execution.

I have a question. The below is the IV circuit that I am executing.

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IDac is always zero being the virtual ground for IV Conversion. In addition to this circuit,

Instead of using 100k ohm, I am using 10k ohm to give a f 3db lower than 20Hz. This output feeds the tube amp with a 10k pot in parallel with a 470k grid resistor.

I see something wrong this circuit in the sense the input impedance for tube amp is too low. so when couple with the 10k ground leak resistor, I am having on 5k which shifts the f 3dB to 40hz?

the detail circuit is below.
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I don't understand your first question, what do you want to achieve with the R4? It's there to provide bias and the adjust gain. Just stick with the stock values.

You should use 100k Ohm instead of 10k Ohm if you are using a 10K pot. This way you ensure minimal loading effect and the 10k pot dominates the total resistance. If you used 10k, you'll only get an equivalent of 5k resistance, which means a a shift of cut off frequency.
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Went to singapore. Look at the martin audio, well audio and larry plus adelphi.

at martin, the old lady was working on super tweeter, casing made of lighting transluscent glass. the sound really improve the high, making it more lively. That old lady mainly made the Martin class tube amp as well as speakers.

adelphil was more high class venue for expensive stuff like fm, mcintosh, MBL,etc.

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I don't understand your first question, what do you want to achieve with the R4? It's there to provide bias and the adjust gain. Just stick with the stock values.

You should use 100k Ohm instead of 10k Ohm if you are using a 10K pot. This way you ensure minimal loading effect and the 10k pot dominates the total resistance. If you used 10k, you'll only get an equivalent of 5k resistance, which means a a shift of cut off frequency.
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After R4, there is a 10k pot in parallel to the 470k resistor grid (to ground) inside the amp. What the cap sees is R4 and a 10k pot (neglecting 470k due to parallel).

That means the cap sees R4, RCA cable which assume inductance and cap is minimal and a 10k resistance to ground.

meaning the amp input resistance by right should be large enuf to provide independent loading to C2. if amp input resitor is high, the cut off frequency will depend on R4. If amp input resistor is low, then R4 has to be changed to suit the f 3dB. what is your thots.

However providing too large a R4, the tone phase shift will be significant at frequency below few hundred hz.

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emm 1 of the caps looks like fake.......
correct me if im wrong........
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I wanna ask all DIY kings a question. Oh for once please answer this question, you know who you people are.. notworthy.gif

After calculating all the cost including shipping, drilling tools, casing and etcssssss (I'm forced to emphasize on the "etc" cause there is just too many hidden cost. You wouldn't find out until you take the time to sit down and calculate.) I've come to a conclusion that DIY a Bijou futterman www.cavallieaudio.com would cost me approximate 1k. With that sum of money, i could have easily top in a few more hundred bucks and get a woo audio or darkvoice which IMO has a very good synergy with my current headphone HD650.

It has been long debated that given a DIY 1k amp, it is on par with a more expensive amp. I need opinion before i start ordering parts n yada yada. I mean, seriously.

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Went to singapore. Look at the martin audio, well audio and larry plus adelphi.

at martin, the old lady was working on super tweeter, casing made of lighting transluscent glass. the sound really improve the high, making it more lively. That old lady mainly made the Martin class tube amp as well as speakers.

adelphil was more high class venue for expensive stuff like fm, mcintosh, MBL,etc.



Added on April 22, 2009, 9:09 pm

After R4, there is a 10k pot in parallel to the 470k resistor grid (to ground) inside the amp. What the cap sees is R4 and a 10k pot (neglecting 470k due to parallel).

That means the cap sees R4, RCA cable which assume inductance and cap is minimal and a 10k resistance to ground.

meaning the amp input resistance by right should be large enuf to provide independent loading to C2. if amp input resitor is high, the cut off frequency will depend on R4. If amp input resistor is low, then R4 has to be changed to suit the f 3dB. what is your thots.

However providing too large a R4, the tone phase shift will be significant at frequency below few hundred hz.
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Nope, R4 will not affect the RC filter formed by C2 and the output 100k resistor.

Assuming your IV stage uses the common base topology, T2 is a emitter follower buffer that removes all influences of the previous stage impedance. (impedance transforming effect).

In any case the only thing you have to worry about is the 100k being stiff enough so you don't load the next stage too much. At this point, you should choose which part of the impedance that dominates the total equivalent resistance.

EDIT: lol huge pics.

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emm 1 of the caps looks like fake.......
correct me if im wrong........
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I am interested to know which is the fake. I can get back to him for the 'ransom'


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Nope, R4 will not affect the RC filter formed by C2 and the output 100k resistor.

Assuming your IV stage uses the common base topology, T2 is a emitter follower buffer that removes all influences of the previous stage impedance. (impedance transforming effect).

In any case the only thing you have to worry about is the 100k being stiff enough so you don't load the next stage too much. At this point, you should choose which part of the impedance that dominates the total equivalent resistance.

EDIT: lol huge pics.
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Actually R4 I have changed to 21K4 due to phase distortion at low frequency. (phase plot at low freq will show) R4 is also called the ground leaked resistor in this case is paralllel to the load resistor Rs (which is the amp pot). So the sound does depend on R4. After I put in 21k4, I am much more happy. in fact I can really hear the realisms of music now.

The greatest workhorse is the GAD-viva. It is really vivacious and neutral. the guitar and cymbal is so 'REAL' now.

When the Mundorf Supreme comes, it will be a T day.

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my guess is the 35v beside beside tonerex 42v...
I cant seem to read what brand is that? NCC?

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QUOTE(MadCow @ Apr 23 2009, 03:51 AM)
I wanna ask all DIY kings a question. Oh for once please answer this question, you know who you people are..  notworthy.gif

After calculating all the cost including shipping, drilling tools, casing and etcssssss (I'm forced to emphasize on the "etc" cause there is just too many hidden cost. You wouldn't find out until you take the time to sit down and calculate.) I've come to a conclusion that DIY a Bijou futterman www.cavallieaudio.com would cost me approximate 1k. With that sum of money, i could have easily top in a few more hundred bucks and get a woo audio or darkvoice which IMO has a very good synergy with my current headphone HD650.

It has been long debated that given a DIY 1k amp, it is on par with a more expensive amp. I need opinion before i start ordering parts n yada yada. I mean, seriously.

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I am interested to know which is the fake. I can get back to him for the 'ransom'


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Actually R4 I have changed to 21K4 due to phase distortion at low frequency. (phase plot at low freq will show) R4 is also called the ground leaked resistor in this case is paralllel to the load resistor Rs (which is the amp pot). So the sound does depend on R4. After I put in 21k4, I am much more happy. in fact I can really hear the realisms of music now.

When the Mundorf Supreme comes, it will be a T day.
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I don't get it, how is the R4 in parallel to anything? I thought it takes in signal unattenuated from the DAC output?

Anyway, R4 determines the total bias. Decreasing it increases the current through the resistor. It might explain some of the "heavy bias upgrade" effect you're experiencing. How about using an active CCS load instead?
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 24 2009, 12:02 AM)
I don't get it, how is the R4 in parallel to anything? I thought it takes in signal unattenuated from the DAC output?

Anyway, R4 determines the total bias. Decreasing it increases the current through the resistor. It might explain some of the "heavy bias upgrade" effect you're experiencing. How about using an active CCS load instead?
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The aim is to use as least component as possible. Less is good. CCS or offset the IV has tried by many like petra rodja and Jocko which is good but more component count.

R3 is the bias for T2. R3 is not seen by C2. C2 sees the R4 (bleeder, serve to avoid C2 drifting, or else the cap can not discharge) and the Load impedance in the amp (lets call it R-load).

Do we care about R4? No, provided C2 > 1/(4 x pi x R4) and noise is depending squre root of R4. so too high a R4 not only create phase shift but noise too.

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QUOTE(CV6149 @ Apr 23 2009, 09:02 PM)
my guess is the 35v beside beside tonerex 42v...
I cant seem to read what brand is that? NCC?
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They look a bit like Cerafines or some type of Elna to me, though I think Cerafines are usually a brighter red.

Chemi-Cons I believe have the white polarity stripe.
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The aim is to use as least component as possible. Less is good. CCS or offset the IV has tried by many like petra rodja and Jocko which is good but more component count.

R3 is the bias for T2. R3 is not seen by C2. C2 sees the R4 (bleeder, serve to avoid C2 drifting, or else the cap can not discharge) and the Load impedance in the amp (lets call it R-load).

Do we care about R4? No, provided C2 > 1/(4 x pi x R4) and noise is depending squre root of R4. so too high a R4 not only create phase shift but noise too.
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if C2 sees R4, then the whole circuit itself forms a loop itself?

OUT = your I/V output isnt it? Why does it see R4 then?

R4 = referring to the 30k resistor on your schematic.
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They look a bit like Cerafines or some type of Elna to me, though I think Cerafines are usually a brighter red.

Chemi-Cons I believe have the white polarity stripe.
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the weird thing is....is the below part(dunno what its name)
Instead of all using rubber...this one is using somesort like pcb?

friend of mine that working in electronic industry for soo long liao..pointed to me that those without that rubber part is usually fake......
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 24 2009, 10:15 AM)
if C2 sees R4, then the whole circuit itself forms a loop itself?

OUT = your I/V output isnt it? Why does it see R4 then?

R4 = referring to the 30k resistor on your schematic.
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My bad inter. the R4 is there to provide bias in case Idac goes Zero (so the T2 base and Collector will both hit rail voltage). Lets call the 100k R5 and R5 = 21k. so the the whole thing hinges on R5.

Without R4, T2 will not operate in linearity. i.e. when Idac = O mA, T2 base = Vcc. so T2 Vbc is no more reverse bias and linearity issue (if not saturation issue ) kicks in. Any thots on this.

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definitely a good solder...try to get GOOT or HAKKO 30w shud suffice to do the job
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I have been puzzled by this.

Can the transformer say a 3.2VA toroid with 230/12 be used as a choke by not connecting the secondary.

Can this 'choke' take DC voltage of say 12V ? The DC resistance is very very low, if it can take DC, the amp must be high like short circuit ??

wont the transformer primary be saturated or can it be prevented by ensuring a air core type transformer ?

Can AC with DC offset ride on the primary of the 'choke ' and not causing short circuit ?


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QUOTE(CV6149 @ Apr 24 2009, 11:33 AM)
the weird thing is....is the below part(dunno what its name)
Instead of all using rubber...this one is using somesort like pcb?

friend of mine that working in electronic industry for soo long liao..pointed to me that those without that rubber part is usually fake......
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What would be a good way to check if it is fake, beside listening test.

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Yesterday, I tried to mod my own KSC-75 with L-2B2AT and F12. The both side of the clip emit sound, but only on right channel.

Any idea where I did wrong?
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Kinda hard to tell ain't it, just by words?
Some pix would be nice.. you sure you got the connections right?

QUOTE(LEVIATHAN @ May 13 2009, 08:57 AM)
Yesterday, I tried to mod my own KSC-75 with L-2B2AT and F12. The both side of the clip emit sound, but only on right channel.

Any idea where I did wrong?
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:-) Hope this is much more helpful.
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There could be many reasons why things don't work in an electrical circuit. Without looking at the actual item, looks like your left channel will remain silent for good tongue.gif
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;_; I read somewhere on how to determine which side will be left/right channel.

I hate to ditch that earphone though. Damn the plug is expensive, RM23 a piece. I could buy 23 longkang branded plugs with that hefty tag ;_;

And the cable too...
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That F12 is darn 'expensive' alright! I use a 5 bucks variety. To me the extra 18 bucks is not sonically detectable to my ears! laugh.gif
Better invest in a better cable!
So you think you messed up the channel wiring?

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;_; I read somewhere on how to determine which side will be left/right channel.

I hate to ditch that earphone though. Damn the plug is expensive, RM23 a piece. I could buy 23 longkang branded plugs with that hefty tag ;_;

And the cable too...
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You're using the 'white' coloured cable as ground right? And the two orange cable as the 'L' and 'R' signal.
Now that I see the pics, this could be the cause of your problem(red arrow). Can we see the plug wiring closer from another angle?
Hopefully you wired it as pictured... tongue.gif


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Oh my... I will adjust the wiring tonight :-)

Thanks for the hint :-)
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I like mosfet. it has low RDS on and high current pump. however the price may be more than a Darlingtons. anyone here has tried all mosfet power amps or class A.
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lol i finally found where they put the audiophile section.

I also now crave karipap.

I have no useful advice, so carry on.
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any diy project coming up empire23 ?

has anyone tried tube amp with mosfet as source followers (instead of direct input to the grid of the power amp)
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Ya.

Still doesnt beat a real tube setup though.


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any diy project coming up empire23 ?

has anyone tried tube amp with mosfet as source followers  (instead of direct input to the grid of the power amp)
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I will be getting the F5 Nelson Pass Firstwatt as the next toy. Just an interest check, anyone keen to jump on, cause I have placed an order for 2 units of F5 board. If more interest, we can share the shipping costs (and it is peanuts anyway)

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/firstwatt7/f5.html
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How much is the 'peanuts'? tongue.gif
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that would knock off a few bucks. the board is not cheap either, it is made by peter daniel.


Added on May 20, 2009, 9:19 pmthat would knock off a few bucks. the board is not cheap either, it is made by peter daniel. if no interest by this weekend, I shall go ahead first. what is that called, complimentary complimentary feedback pair with voltage gain.

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ccschua: how much is the F4 board ?
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pls find out diyaudio. all pass design comes from diyaudio website. respect to Papa.
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The Pass Labs thread is 150 pages long! doh.gif
Anyway, Peter Daniel's group buy for F5 PCB seems reasonable enough..
If that is the price, ccschua, you can count me in! wink.gif
Are you not getting the PSU board too?

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count me in too, if group buy.. smile.gif
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jazzy: how much is the F5 pcb cost?
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Jazzy939 - 2xF5
chchyong89 - 2xF5

PS board is not critical. can be point to point, sometimes the effects can be better. see the thread for the photo of point to point wiring.

Edit : names corrected

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wui,
They're USD15 for 2 boards. Dunno how much for international shipping. Thats what ccschua trying to share/spread.

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jazzy: how much is the F5 pcb cost?
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Jazzy939 - 2xF5
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PS board is not critical. can be point to point, sometimes the effects can be better. see the thread for the photo of point to point wiring.
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Hi guys,

Looks like this group buy has to go on 'own target'. The price offer by Peter include shipping and now he has 8 pieces left and he does not offer group buy. No incentive to later send to you all.

So I shall proceed on my own first.

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ccschua: so, it's the group buy on? or we have to buy ourselves?
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Please buy yourself. I bought 1 set more. If anyone interested, pls self collect.
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i feel like to build a cmoy as an experiment after reading 12pages of this thread.. it seems so fun.

i hope i can start my project once i finished my A-level this july. i'm not good at electronic nor soldering but i have great interest to diy an amp. I like to tear things off to pieces, modified n rebuild them since i was young.

i'm planning to build 1 cmoy like taught in tangensoft website. the problem is i don't have a credit card to do online shoppin.. i have no idea where to get those components either. i don noe where to start.

do u guys have leftover material or having all meterials packed in a bag which are necessary for building a cmoy to sell? i would like to buy it, saving my time n hassle running from each shop to shop, not knowing the market price n which shop has them, to find the components i need.

can u guys state an approximate budget i should have for this project?
i'm now studying in shah alam. my hometown is in sungai petani but most of the time i'll be in penang.
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Jalan Pasar.

If you're in Penang island, go around Komtar area or inside Komtar itself.

For rare parts ---> Farnell.
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Those Pana FM caps, around Komtar there got sell ke ?
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They sell certain line of FCs, but honestly for your first build just use the chapalang caps.
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I got a question here, don't know if i should ask here...

The stock decoupling caps on my speaker is 10uF/16v (4 biji), if i replace them with Pana FM 33uF/35v, will it spoil my speaker in any way? Will it improve the SQ or mess it up instead ?

My friend has 33uF/35v caps, it's easy for me to use those, sick of ordering online laugh.gif
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Hey guys,where could i get valves from? planning to swap out a pair of 12AX7's..would be good if they sold matched pairs.Tried askin around guitar shops but the price is crazy..

edit: havnt decided on russian or chinese ones yet..

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ebay would be your best bet.
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everything on ebay is ridiculously priced..the AXL chinese amp is priced at rm1.6k while a shop i know sells it for rm900

pasar road dont have ar?

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A few shops do have 'some' tubes, NIXIE included but not the popular models.. I saw a Philips tube going for RM58 at NIXIE.
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cheap things dont come good. good thing dont come cheap.
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Well thanks for stating the obvious. But good things dont have to cost a bomb either.I dont like being ripped off,do you ?

Jazzy: Philips tubes? interesting..hope to uncover some telefunken or army grade tubes tongue.gif
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An update on the Nelson Pass F5.

Have been busy looking for F5 parts, especially the resistors and the HEXFET IRF240 series.

Just the resistors will cause a bomb, non inductive and aluminium casing with 15W rating. Man I am not going to blast the speakers full volume. Anyway, the rule on diy is that if u dont get the 'needed' quality, it will be reworks, as always.

The pcb shall be in any time.

Now have problem to find such huge casing and capcitors with 120,000uF. BHC, RIFA Nippon, Dubiler or Nichicon?

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ccschua,
Good luck dude! laugh.gif
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Heard that LME49810 is not bad too. Any takers. 300Watters measured with SN ratio more than 120dB
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I have read the threads on this. Impressive! But I certainly do not need 300W! tongue.gif
My 9Watter( x2) T-Amp is quite sufficient in satisfying my audio needs on top of my other amps (I also have other 'chipamp' to play around like the GainClone).. .. also not to mention the co$t factor. Kinda hard to justify another amp to the missus.. hehe

Keep us posted on your search for the exotic caps.. read your post at diyaudio.com wink.gif

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Heard that LME49810 is not bad too. Any takers. 300Watters measured with SN ratio more than 120dB
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I had a chance to listen to HEXFET IRFP240 (International Rectifier) and I am really impressed with the smooth flowing and prowess the unit can deliver. Guess that is F5 is getting the attention.
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I had a chance to listen to HEXFET IRFP240 (International Rectifier) and I am really impressed with the smooth flowing and prowess the unit can deliver. Guess that is F5 is getting the attention.
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I do not know the sound of IRF240 or IRFP240, the sound of IRF150 and IRFP9150 sound quite nice especially for vocal and chamber music. I use the pair to assembly Pass lab pure class A 10W single ended amp a few year back.
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did you match the MOSFET pair on both channel? I have heard people commenting on good sound just off the shelf.
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did you match the MOSFET pair on both channel? I have heard people commenting on good sound just off the shelf.
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I do not match the pair on both channel. It sound nice once I plug in the power. It do sound smoother after around 48 hour of run in. In term of vocal it do sound close to my EL84 tube set. The original Zen circuit do need a pre-amp to make it more powerful as it only have 1 gain stage and 1 output stage.
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What is your power filtering circuit component i.e. the capacitors bank of 120,000uF as well as the transformer. Plitron, Avel ? Is Talema measured up. How do you shield the tranny.
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The circuit I build is the Zen. I use 4 pcs of 22000uF capacitor as filter. I do not do any special sheiding on the transformer. I put the transformer around the cornel of the casing then I surround it with the capacitor laying horizontal as sheild. The transformer is just normal EL core make by local manufacturing which locate at Rawang with copper foil around the coil anf the core.

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So what choice of cap u use. Does ESR matter to you when u make the selection. Peter daniel has hinted paralleling of say 6x15,000 might be better.

EI for tube amp is commonly used. For solid state, they are seldom applied due to size and the large BW coupling and the EMI?

But I guess beggers cant be chosers. I cant find any toroid with 2x18V above 250VA.
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Is there any amp that can improve the SQ of Sennheiser IE8?
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QUOTE(nk0030 @ May 31 2009, 04:09 PM)
I do not match the pair on both channel. It sound nice once I plug in the power. It do sound smoother after around 48 hour of run in. In term of vocal it do sound close to my EL84 tube set. The original Zen circuit do need a pre-amp to make it more powerful as it only have 1 gain stage and 1 output stage.
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can u show some photo of your built and also whether the amp can give you the micro details and dynamics + soundstage?
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can u show some photo of your built and also whether the amp can give you the micro details and dynamics + soundstage?
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OK, but need to wait a little while as the amp is not with me right now, it is at my home town. I am not sure what your mean of micro detail. As per compare, it do come close to SE triode amp as I do heard a lot of detail. To acheive this you need a 10x pre to coupler with it or you need an extra ordinary high sensitive speaker (above 95db). When coupling with the Zen pre or M7 pre, it do give a reasonable soundstage. The amp I build is the original Zen and I used Philip capacitor as filter and Panasonic 105 degree capacitor as output.
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Is the 105 deg cap affecting the life or the sound? I plan to use F5 for driving tough nuts like 85dB 4 ohm into 200W dynaudio Focus 110. And for F5 it is easy.

I have just received the board for F5 and here it is. As expected, the board is slightly bigger than a match box.

Hi Chchyong, time to give me your details.

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I've been testing different capacitor brand these few days.. but somehow, i dun feel there is different between this caps..

So i'm wondering whether it is necessary to buy more expensive cap?

cap tested : Ruby ZL, ELNA RE3, PANA FM, cheapo Rudoycon . All in 470uF

wish to have a some discussion with you guys..thanks
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Some people swear by 'caps', some don't.
If you can't 'detect/feel' any differences these caps make, then I'd say count your blessings! biggrin.gif
I use the JP variety all the time.. may be a few ELNA here and there and that's about it..
I wouldn't lose any sleep and feel 'inferior' using Rudoycon wink.gif



QUOTE(Enferno @ Jul 5 2009, 04:15 AM)
I've been testing different capacitor brand these few days.. but somehow, i dun feel there is different between this caps..

So i'm wondering whether it is necessary to buy more expensive cap?

cap tested : Ruby ZL, ELNA RE3, PANA FM, cheapo Rudoycon . All in 470uF

wish to have a some discussion with you guys..thanks
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jazzy your are right.. the so called el-cheapo Rudoycon cap work marvelously without any flaw. So i just couldn't understand, why people in head-fi or other site saying "yeahhh.. ELNA is inferior compared to Blackgate NX......" .

I've read article the important of low-esr cap for power rail and film cap for input cap. have tried it all, result is the same.

what other audiophiler thinks??
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did you match the MOSFET pair on both channel? I have heard people commenting on good sound just off the shelf.
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Hi Chua,
I have measured the VGs for the IRFP 240 and 9240.
DO I match the Vgs reading between the 240 themselves or is it matching between the 240 and 9240 for each channel ?
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U need to match the 240 and 9240 until the current reading is zero. However I dont think most will match them as right out of the pop, it sounds ok. Can refer the test circuit by Ben Duncan.

Have you got the casing.
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U need to match the 240 and 9240 until the current reading is zero. However I dont think most will match them as right out of the pop, it sounds ok. Can refer the test circuit by Ben Duncan.

Have you got the casing.
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Hi Chua,
I have not got the casing. I intend to build it in an old pioneer amp casing and to buy the casing only if I like the sound and manage to get it to work !
Casing will be the most expensive item for the job !
Have you buld F5 yet ?

Cheers
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i'm looking for a good cap to upgrade my X-Fi XtremeGamer sound card

most mods i saw online are using blackgate 2200uf 16v audio caps and i've saw some use 470uf 16v too
(ori is 220uf dunno how many voltage... havent look into the details yet)

i recently found 1500uF 16V Rubycon MBZ caps... wonder is it a good replacement for the stock caps or should i stick to the expensive audio caps?

the website is here biggrin.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/14PCS-1500uF-16V-Ru...id=p3911.c0.m14

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QUOTE(general_odin @ Sep 5 2009, 10:54 PM)
i'm looking for a good cap to upgrade my X-Fi XtremeGamer sound card

most mods i saw online are using blackgate 2200uf 16v audio caps and i've saw some use 470uf 16v too
(ori is 220uf dunno how many voltage... havent look into the details yet)

i recently found 1500uF 16V Rubycon MBZ caps... wonder is it a good replacement for the stock caps or should i stick to the expensive audio caps?

the website is here biggrin.gif
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/14PCS-1500uF-16V-Ru...id=p3911.c0.m14

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I bet you want to change DSP supply caps. The Rubycon MBZ is low ESR caps, its not really suitable at that position because of the regulator used, but I use MBZ in that position without any problem (I use 1000uF 6.3V MBZ). The voltage for DSP supply is a mere 1.2V so virtually any caps will fit there.

It won't change the sound quality much, anything will be an upgrade from the stock caps, even a general purpose Rubycon 220uF works well there. Don't spend too much on digital stage, is the analog that brings the most sound improvement
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actually i want to change the power filter caps... like most X-Fi mod guide, from the guide they say giving it more power means better bass...

i have no idea, so i just follow XD
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QUOTE(general_odin @ Sep 13 2009, 07:34 PM)
actually i want to change the power filter caps... like most X-Fi mod guide, from the guide they say giving it more power means better bass...

i have no idea, so i just follow XD
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I don't believe changing the caps in this position will do anything to sound. Something like 400uF is good enough. If you want better sound its better to change the 4 decoupling caps near the DAC, something like Rubycon Blackgate NX HiQ will give an audible difference
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Hi,

Can someone tell me where to buy aluminium cases for DIY amplifiers ?

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A 'small' selection is available at NIXIE.

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Hi,

Can someone tell me where to buy aluminium cases for DIY amplifiers ?

Cheers

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try this one for your casing, steel or aluminium.

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equip...g-new-t3441.htm
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Nice..!

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Hi hello for all malaysia DIy FOR AUDIO, I am nanhifi malaysia. I also love to make audio by myself since age 15. I have a great and wide project mostly in amplifier. Hope we can change each other knowladge.
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Great! thumbup.gif
Any webpage/homepage that you have for sharing?

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Hi hello for all malaysia DIy FOR AUDIO, I am nanhifi malaysia. I also love to make audio by myself since age 15. I have a great and wide project mostly in amplifier. Hope we can change each other knowladge.
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well this is my website since 2002 but still lot to be update and the circuit there are now been replaced by a new one. Yet still not to be updated.

http://nanhifi.tripod.com with new blogs, www.electronicdiy.blogspot.com

Well I will put a new contents as soon I get a new pc.
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My latest build: Diamante ~ class A full discrete headamp

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Check out diyAudio forum for more info.

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ITT, wui achieves first person to build a fully discrete high end folded cascode amplifier on LYN.

Discrete GET.
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sorry to have ask, is there any tutorial for newbs to make an portable amp for mp3 players and etc?

i've searched the forum, hardly find one, any guidance from sifus here?
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tangentsoft.net/audio

Look for the CMOY article.

And basically the older thread has more information for newbies so you have to PM scotty to get the older compilation.

Pretty bad move to baleet the old thread IMO.
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guys recently i build 2 identical CMOY amps,the problem is when i connect the battery,the battery heats up and r-side is a lot louder than left-side,i have to max the volume on the knob to get decent sound,wat m i doing wrong leh?plus help i hav almost 0 electronic knowledge....

amp 1
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above is the image of under side of my pcb board and top view......help sifus!!!
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what opamp?

Recheck soldering and reflow it, make sure you do not short V+ to V-

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anyone done a tube pre-amp project before?

i'm planning to reverse engineer one... i'm in the stage of buying the components...

just a quick question, is it easy to get the tube female socket to hold ECC83/82 tubes? if yes, roughly how much will it cost?
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When I was at NIXIE in Jalan Landak/Pasar last, I saw some tube sockets there. Don't know how much they will cost.
Care sharing the amp model that you're trying to reverse engineer? What would be your anticipated co$t? biggrin.gif



QUOTE(ora-ito @ Nov 13 2009, 01:14 PM)
anyone done a tube pre-amp project before?

i'm planning to reverse engineer one... i'm in the stage of buying the components...

just a quick question, is it easy to get the tube female socket to hold ECC83/82 tubes? if yes, roughly how much will it cost?
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I never built the tube version power amplifier. Latest project I have made at 2006 is CLASS A current feedback amplifier with emitter follower (0.98 x gain) plus high frequency Bipolar type.

well for the input buffer I have re-design the Class A Doz preamp, so i will have a big gain with a regulated supply of 72Vdc.

Well this setup make the sound more in natural way (without any filter). The sound more bright. The Class A with a current feedback have a lower S/N ration as i concern. Even without any casing, it really hard to find a Humming sound.

For the modified Class A DOZ preamp, the bad is ,I will never turn it off or the sound will litle shy..

Hopely I will make a tube type amp someday...
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QUOTE(ora-ito @ Nov 13 2009, 01:14 PM)
anyone done a tube pre-amp project before?

i'm planning to reverse engineer one... i'm in the stage of buying the components...

just a quick question, is it easy to get the tube female socket to hold ECC83/82 tubes? if yes, roughly how much will it cost?
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What type of tube socket you need, chasis mount or PCB mount. For ECC82/83 it need the 9 pin tube socket.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 13 2009, 04:05 PM)
When I was at NIXIE in Jalan Landak/Pasar last, I saw some tube sockets there. Don't know how much they will cost.
Care sharing the amp model that you're trying to reverse engineer? What would be your anticipated co$t? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nk0030 @ Nov 13 2009, 10:03 PM)
What type of tube socket you need, chasis mount or PCB mount. For ECC82/83 it need the 9 pin tube socket.
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this is the pre amp i will reverse engineer; at this link: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_2/...ier-4-2001.html

the tube socket i will not mount it on PCB. i will translate the PCB trace into a point to point wiring using copper wires...
cost, should be around rm100 plus not counting the ecc83 tube cost.

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I am fascinated by tube amps.. Used to have one China made headphone/preamp tube.. but sold it off a while back.. too darn hot.. could definitely fry an egg!(maybe two!) laugh.gif

ora-ito,
If thats the price, well I want to make one too! wink.gif
BTW, any particular reasons why you chose this amp?
There are other simple tube preamp to build... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Nov 13 2009, 11:45 PM)
I am fascinated by tube amps.. Used to have one China made headphone/preamp tube.. but sold it off a while back.. too darn hot.. could definitely fry an egg!(maybe two!) laugh.gif

ora-ito,
If thats the price, well I want to make one too! wink.gif
BTW, any particular reasons why you chose this amp?
There are other simple tube preamp to build... hmm.gif
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well, its because i own the actual unit. it gave me some problems on each channel.
i managed to troubleshoot and repair it. so at the same time i took the time to understand the circuitry and took some measurements during my troubleshooting.

this tube pre amp brand is very well known in singapore coz it was designed by a singporean musician cum audiophile enthusiast. a totally musical piece of equipment and can be compared to very high end pre amps.
Brand new pricetag is SGD1.4k if you have read the link i posted.

however that price i quoted does not include the ecc83 tube.
so far i have about 12 tube collections ranging from china to russian, mullard & telefunken
they can cost from rm50 to rm350 per tube smile.gif that's the catch hehe

here is another link for more Q&A on this pre amp brand: http://www.echoloft.com/soulofmusic/divafaq.htm

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ora-ito,
thanks for the update and links! wink.gif
keep us posted...

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I found that most audiophile here more on the amp for the headphone. I am willing to build one but as I know if the sound are flat setting the phone will be sound from the headphone sound very dully. Maybe I never used the hi fi type for the headphone.

So in my mind maybe the amp for the headphone must be in solid state Class A using a MOSFET, (great respond and still cheap because it just a few miliwat). Next it must have a good pre amp (boosting bass and treble). For the component it can be made from highest quality one. Next remove all bipolor type capacitor with NP and each power supply for the power caps must be bypass with 100nF MKT capacitor. the power supply must in regulated (reduce humming). More the contruction for positioning all the sub section (power supply, pre amp, and etc) must follow the rules (Please read cook book for designing power amp from JHL).

I hope I can find my time to build this and if can I finish I will able to show it to you malaysian fans...


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Keep us posted, nanhifi! wink.gif
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Hi, this could be the wrong place to ask but since it's the DIY thread, I was wondering how to differentiate between amps, as in characteristics/sound/brightness based on the specs alone. Not everyone can go an audition amps but it would be good to have a rough idea based on the amps specs.
Thanks in advanced.
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Never on the spec. Period.

QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Dec 8 2009, 02:33 PM)
Hi, this could be the wrong place to ask but since it's the DIY thread, I was wondering how to differentiate between amps, as in characteristics/sound/brightness based on the specs alone. Not everyone can go an audition amps but it would be good to have a rough idea based on the amps specs.
Thanks in advanced.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 8 2009, 03:15 PM)
Never on the spec. Period.
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Wow, really? Ah damn. Then how to know? Reviews? Audition them? Sigh, I'm kind of an impulse buyer. Sure kantoi after I audition. doh.gif
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Google for reviews.. audition yourself if possible. In the end let your ears(and wallet) decide.
I have equipments that I buy based on 'value for money' , its a gamble but its part of the experience process..


QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Dec 8 2009, 03:45 PM)
Wow, really? Ah damn. Then how to know? Reviews? Audition them? Sigh, I'm kind of an impulse buyer. Sure kantoi after I audition.  doh.gif
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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Nov 24 2009, 08:45 PM)
I found that most audiophile here more on the amp for the headphone. I am willing to build one but as I know if the sound are flat setting the phone will be sound from the headphone sound very dully. Maybe I never used the hi fi type for the headphone.

So in my mind maybe the amp for the headphone must be in solid state Class A using a MOSFET, (great respond and still cheap because it just a few miliwat). Next it must have a good pre amp (boosting bass and treble). For the component it can be made from highest quality one. Next remove all bipolor type capacitor with NP and each power supply for the power caps must be bypass with 100nF MKT capacitor. the power supply must in regulated (reduce humming). More the contruction for positioning all the sub section (power supply, pre amp, and etc) must follow the rules (Please read cook book for designing power amp from JHL).

I hope I can find my time to build this and if can I finish I will able to show it to you malaysian fans...
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wow, nanhifi is here....welcome bro....

I guess you still stick with your solid state transistor world....how's the Bee amp?


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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 8 2009, 05:00 PM)
Google for reviews.. audition yourself if possible. In the end let your ears(and wallet) decide.
I have equipments that I buy based on 'value for money' , its a gamble but its part of the experience process..
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QUOTE(DemonTweakZ @ Dec 8 2009, 02:33 PM)
Hi, this could be the wrong place to ask but since it's the DIY thread, I was wondering how to differentiate between amps, as in characteristics/sound/brightness based on the specs alone. Not everyone can go an audition amps but it would be good to have a rough idea based on the amps specs.
Thanks in advanced.
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There a lot to tell here, I just cannot tell you what is the best for your ears.

As for spec, even in a solid state, intergrated, vavle or etc the spec just a spec, what the true is our listening behaviour.

For me, I look for the class of the AMP (class A, AB or D) next the topology (Cureent Feedback, Voltage feedback, symitrical, balance, Bi-Amped, Emitter follower output stage, Collector Follower Output stage and many more that will not enough time to write) then the component that been used. Minimum the caps are betters and the resistor 1% or macted pair transistor, MKT caps with all the polar cap bypass with a small film caps (cap make non linerity in circuit).

I like class A but it will get a low rate of RMS but still not a big diff then the Class AB which is greater the RMS.

The watts rating basic on 1Khz rate not at other fq, (mostly great and high brand amp will tell this spec)

The most problem in class A is the bass sound will lack a bit but in high end amplifier this is not true (well get yur bugdet to 100k RM). The great is the class A have a 2nd order lower then other classes with a minimal component used(same applied to tube or vavle amp)

The most moderate amp will used a type of voltage feeback , rarely a current feedback. (most case the CFA will be in the top list of high value amp) but even so, the VFA that have a good design still produce good sound.

Most of the vavle and single ended class A topology will just a few watts (RMS) but still found to be like a 100W. We will only can get a differance when it most higher then 1dB (pro listener) or more normal to 3dB diff.

From the calculation based on watt (RMS HERE NOT PMPO OR OTHER) the 120 W will only diff near 2X of 30W amp (2db).

The spec like the bandwidth, i will choose from range 10Hz to 100Khz which is mostly not in most the normal market amplifier. This can be build using a CFA type. My theory here is the sound it self have a spirit.. Well even we not really here Fq low then 20Hz or higher then 22kHz (Me only at 21Khz) but we can feel it, like an earth quake or sonar we feel???.

But normal used it will have a good frequency respond from 20Hz to 22Khz or 30Khz is enough. +- 0.5dB.

More if you like big bass in rock or pop song it will have to take the damping factor value. Use a bigger cable to achive this. maybe not all spec will be shown.

Next is the IMD and THD. I rarely take this as a top piority since the tube or vavle amp have a big THD but mostly it sound better this due to the what we call sonic and soundstage phenomena. But most modern amplifier will have a low THD but not more brand showing the data for IMD.

But all of this will be gone if you willing to make 3 way 24dB electronic amplifier stage. This will be the best system that i ever hear in my life. But it will cost you most near RM20k with a accurate tuning. It will need at least 5 power amp or more (sub woofer will be need a bass management to get the below 15Hz tuning) so it will be a full range set. Tweaking will take year in this thing... Welll my friend manage to do that as for me i love more simple single mono block amplifier that I design on my own with a pair of analog 2way bookself speaker. Get headace? Ok I simplified

1- Look what type are you love to listen, soft or hard type, rock or jazz or all of it . Most british amp are soft.

2- Look for the class, The class A is the best for vocal or opera or jazz but not the rock or pop in range of 30W. Since this amp high power class A (X250) are pricy and hot massive weight it will be high budget bro.. Next if class AB high current, this is same as class AB amp but the Q current is set more then 300mA or 1A (near true class A). This amp will hot with lot of cooling metal but not as hot as true class A (or CLASS AA).
Next look for the class AB . This most in normal price intergrated amp.

2- The amplifier RMS must be higher then your loudspeaker rate . Lower RMS amp tend to damage the loudspeaker more then a higher one. This accour from distortion or spike or clipping factor. A range of 100W to 250W will be good amp. But for class A this not happend were it will be soft clip when it reach to the highest or saturated position.

3-The THD, look for the lowest you can get.

4- Listen and make yur own choice for all these. Sometimes even a good spec have a worst sound..... But this will only a guide.. I will test the amp at the full power to get the picture. Most amp will worst at higher sound (this will not so high when the softer amp type) if you feel that the amp make your ear sick.. maybe need to find another one. But dont blow your ears god give.... hopely...

Hope you get the picture.. sorry to long write here.. so much to tell but nobody to tell...


Added on December 20, 2009, 11:26 pmto gabanyayaya,

My bee amp, still on the run and I will need to re modified a lot. Still as same solid state . The cable, the heat sink will be need to upgrade, or change it to other topology(looking for a high power class AA current feedback amp or balace type). So much to do but not now.. Busyyy workingggg everyday..

Thank, How you know me bro??

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How much time and money is needed for a newbie to build diy amp from scratch? Worth the effort? smile.gif
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The build from strach if depend what type you want. I started from a cheapest one (RM100) to now reach to rm1k...

If you already have a tools it will lower. So far for me its worth the effort. Some are better then a branded one. And if you willing to do more research you will get a uniq and highly quality one where if you buy it from the manufacture it will cost you around rm10K or rm100k. But this kind of quality will cost you around rm2k or 10k. So to me it's big worth and if you make your own you will have a great smile after you manage to build it.

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Really cool on saving... how about the time/ knowledge/ skill? Sounds like a mega project... tongue.gif
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Knowledge of electronics at least a basic one, if you dont have the skills maybe it will take a lot of time to learn. But nothing impossible depend on your will.. Try to build a simple one like a headphone amplifier. or anything a like. Or ask a friend that willing to do. I have some of my fan manage to do it even not in an electric nor electronics back ground.

another option, you can always find a friend to buid it for you. Or a shop.

Buy a kits maybe can help. Just a basic of soldering tools. Please be caution when you have to deal with the home power source, it is a high risk invovle. Find a good electritian for advise to own your safety.

For me the experience background still dealing with the safety issue.
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hey guys.. im thinking of making a DIY amp for my pk1.. my zero dac is dead so for the mean time the source will be straight from my eeepc 701..

what will be decent DIY amp that i should take a look at given that the pk1 is pretty hard to be driven.. thanks
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There are many to choose from for sure.
The DIY amp will depends on your skill level and obviously your budget.
Is the PK1 hard to drive? hmm.gif
Why not buy a ready made headphone amp..?

Good luck and Happy New Year! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(huh? @ Dec 31 2009, 06:25 PM)
hey guys.. im thinking of making a DIY amp for my pk1.. my zero dac is dead so for the mean time the source will be straight from my eeepc 701..

what will be decent DIY amp that i should take a look at given that the pk1 is pretty hard to be driven.. thanks
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Dec 31 2009, 11:39 PM)
There are many to choose from for sure.
The DIY amp will depends on your skill level and obviously your budget.
Is the PK1 hard to drive? hmm.gif
Why not buy a ready made headphone amp..?

Good luck and Happy New Year!  rclxms.gif
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from the specs.. it is 150ohm impedance, with a sensitivity of 109dB at 1KHz.. from my shallow understanding an amp will definite this pk1.. well.. a lot of people says it needs an amp anyway.. right now me n my friend is looking at mini3 design.. since i cant find the pcb in malaysia, plus not a fan of smd soldering.. we are thinking or remaking this amp with something easier to work with..

i like diy which is the reason why i wanna try to make one smile.gif

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Ah, the mini3! I am also not a fan of SMDs although I have worked on some..
If you're going to use conventional passive components I am sure the size of the board and subsequently the casing will be bigger.. Any particular reason for choosing Mini3?
Have tried auditioning the PK1 with some headamps? I do not own a PK1 although I have heard it.. let me check if there are simpler alternatives.. DIY for sure! wink.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 1 2010, 10:09 AM)
Ah, the mini3! I am also not a fan of SMDs although I have worked on some..
If you're going to use conventional passive components I am sure the size of the board and subsequently the casing will be bigger.. Any particular reason for choosing Mini3?
Have tried auditioning the PK1 with some headamps? I do not own a PK1 although I have heard it.. let me check if there are simpler alternatives.. DIY for sure! wink.gif
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i dont really care about the size.. as long as it works.. hehe.. why mini3? hrmm.. pretty much because of the active ground on it.. wanna try what diff does it make.. smile.gif

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technically, if you have enough skills or knowledge to build an amplifier, you wouldn't be asking which amplifier to build. Your imagination coexists with the amount of your knowledge.

The mini3 is easy to build. Only the opamps are SMD and the rest are through hole.

You can use the same chip and design your own layout if you do not want to buy the board, but I suggest having at least proper equipments as the AD8397 itself is a cranky chip.

Make sure it's realllly stable.

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 1 2010, 09:59 PM)
technically, if you have enough skills or knowledge to build an amplifier, you wouldn't be asking which amplifier to build. Your imagination coexists with the amount of your knowledge.

The mini3 is easy to build. Only the opamps are SMD and the rest are through hole.

You can use the same chip and design your own layout if you do not want to buy the board, but I suggest having at least proper equipments as the AD8397 itself is a cranky chip.

Make sure it's realllly stable.
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yeah. technically im incompetent compared to you.. but this is a good step up from a cmoy and a good learing curve for me... yeah im a noob, well everybody needs to start from somewhere right? is it that bad for me to ask?
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QUOTE(huh? @ Jan 2 2010, 09:29 AM)
yeah. technically im incompetent  compared to you.. but this is a good step up from a cmoy and a good learing curve for me... yeah im a noob, well everybody needs to start from somewhere right? is it that bad for me to ask?
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don't interpret this the wrong way. I only questioned your understanding because you wished to use your own layout and yet you asked about which amplifier to build. The first version of Mini3 even with superior layout was unstable. It was only stable starting on V2 that is why it's a frustrating chip to work with. I want to really make sure you know what you are doing without jumping into the wrong design.

Many people jump ship without going through the basics (CMOY) and end up wasting time and feeling frustrated because the higher end amps did not work out.

This is why there are very little people in this hobby. If you tend to go too fast without knowing what to do, you give up too easily. Now this hobby is quiet and lonely enough, I wouldnt want to have more people leaving this hobby sad.gif


The AD8397 is unlike any other OPAMP chip. I don't mean to sound condescending but there is a lot of other engineering knowledge you must posses in order to handle it without using the original board. The Mini3 schematic you see on the site will have a higher chance of not working with other board layouts because of the different compensation loop length stability involved. If you already have a grasp of how to deal with loop gain stability, using phase lead compensation, lag lead compensation to cope with the inferior board layout, then I suppose you will do fine regardless. Plus, this chip is not something you can simulate using a program, use a cookie cutter layout, and expect it to work. You must also have the tools IRL to build and stabilize it real time. Heck with the limited tools I have in hand, I would not even touch this chip with my own layout.

So you distill it down to things you can do, you either:

1) Buy the original board from Amb and save the headache of stabilizing it yourself. (or you can ask alvin if he has some boards left, since he's from SG, the price will be cheaper)

2) Use the older Mini3 schematic and see if you can get away for not using the loop bandwidth capacitor.

3) Try a similar amplifier topology but use different opamps. You can always give the PIMETA a try and the PIMETA is easier to build in a stable fashion than the Mini3 is even if you build it on a perfboard.

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gosh........new tool/toy syndrome...lol.. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

but I get what you meant LG..its really not as easy as what we think it is..

for starter..CMOY is the best ever amp to built! icon_idea.gif

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Added on December 20, 2009, 11:26 pmto gabanyayaya,

My bee amp, still on the run and I will need to re modified a lot. Still as same solid state . The cable, the heat sink will be need to upgrade, or change it to other topology(looking for a high power class AA current feedback amp or balace type). So much to do but not now.. Busyyy workingggg everyday..

Thank, How you know me bro??
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wah...i'm so left behind here..

how do i know you...???? i used to wondering around in your website looking at your projects while you still as a student.....some more i used to be your 'customer'......hard to find a diyer like you from northern parts...your a true lone ranger...

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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Jan 17 2010, 10:34 AM)
wah...i'm so left behind here..

how do i know you...???? i used to wondering around in your website looking at your projects while you still as a student.....some more i used to be your 'customer'......hard to find a diyer like you from northern parts...your a true lone ranger...
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Yeah i am true alone now.. I went to Amcorp mall to seek speaker and power amplifier. But seem most seller they just annoying me. Maybe I am look a man that have a lot of many. But there a good seller found one and we buy near rm4k for a new hifi system for my bro. I manage to test the new sound system and compared to mine. Well mine goes behind the wheel. New audio now have a great soundstage far then my my bee Amp. So this make me to remake a new amplifier and seeking for the best soundstage. Most good soundstage dealing with the phase linerity. I need to do some research this year. Yet another project this year.

Anybody know where i can find a big massive heatsink? need to find one for mine new project.
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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Jan 19 2010, 04:26 PM)
Yeah i am true alone now.. I went to Amcorp mall to seek speaker and power amplifier. But seem most seller they just annoying me. Maybe I am look a man that have a lot of many. But there a good seller found one and we buy near rm4k for a new hifi system for my bro. I manage to test the new sound system and compared to mine. Well mine goes behind the wheel. New audio now have a great soundstage far then my my bee Amp. So this make me to remake a new amplifier and seeking for the best soundstage. Most good soundstage dealing with the phase linerity. I need to do some research this year. Yet another project this year.

Anybody know where i can find a big massive heatsink? need to find one for mine new project.
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nanhifi

if you wish to get amps and speaker used item is a popular option with 'fraction' of the cost....currently hifi4sales.net is the best to scout around for different make and models.....

if i were you i do the macho man always do.....diy. I think bee amp and is fairly good amp even i never ever experience how does it sounds like.....maybe you need to replace all parts to some 'audiophile' item or a good quality one.
where do you stay anyway???? perhaps maybe i could have some educational tour to your place.....

somebody in hifi4sales.net also is selling an amp casing with a big heatsink.....try there....

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Why need such a big heatsink? Class A amplification?
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SIZE does matter, eh? wink.gif
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Hello all.. this is my first post at lowyatt. tongue.gif tongue.gif

I own a 4ch Beta22 which was built by Indonesian amplifier designer psychaudio. At the moment I'm also troubleshooting an SSMH amp which a friend of mine, ian_trooper built. It sounded awesome for a while, but then it goes kaput! I dismantled everything, while at the same time am sourcing a better case for it. smile.gif

My DIY skills mostly revolve around breaking up stuff and making my own cables. tongue.gif
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Hello ting.mike!
Welcome aboard! biggrin.gif
Keep us posted with your troubleshooting progress.. we could certainly learn a thing or two from your troubleshooting work..
I started the same way too! biggrin.gif
Do you have your own blog to share?

QUOTE(ting.mike @ Jan 21 2010, 03:51 PM)
Hello all.. this is my first post at lowyatt. tongue.gif tongue.gif

I own a 4ch Beta22 which was built by Indonesian amplifier designer psychaudio. At the moment I'm also troubleshooting an SSMH amp which a friend of mine, ian_trooper built. It sounded awesome for a while, but then it goes kaput! I dismantled everything, while at the same time am sourcing a better case for it. smile.gif

My DIY skills mostly revolve around breaking up stuff and making my own cables. tongue.gif
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Hello ting.mike!
Welcome aboard! biggrin.gif
Keep us posted with your troubleshooting progress.. we could certainly learn a thing or two from your troubleshooting work..
I started the same way too! biggrin.gif
Do you have your own blog to share?
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Hi Jazzy,
I suck at trouble shooting.. anyway psychaudio pointed out to me that one of the resistors, R2 (or R8, can't remember which channel it was) blew up. I really am not sure what caused it. Silly me, instead of just replacing the R2, I went and dismantled everything. doh.gif doh.gif
Actually I really want to get the SSMH re-cased in a nicer enclosure, since the only thing preventing me from using that amplifier more is the crappy 1/4 jack and case my friend used to build it. tongue.gif

So, now everything is dismantled. It'll probably be a while before it's back and running. I have to make time to get some resistors first. tongue.gif

The next time I build it, I will use a bigger heatsink for the mosfets, since the default heatsinks run way too hot. tongue.gif

I don't have a personal blog, but I am working on this site called www.headfonia.com. Please go easy on the reviews though, as I'm quite a noob when it comes to doing reviews. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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Hi!
Take it easy, one step at a time.. wink.gif

Dismantling is EASY work.. we can get carried away..! Hahahaha..
MOSFETS are heat monsters! Make sure you satisfy the heat dissipation requirements.

headfonia? Will have a look! Thanks.

Have fun! biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ting.mike @ Jan 21 2010, 10:35 PM)
Hi Jazzy,
I suck at trouble shooting.. anyway psychaudio pointed out to me that one of the resistors, R2 (or R8, can't remember which channel it was) blew up. I really am not sure what caused it. Silly me, instead of just replacing the R2, I went and dismantled everything.  doh.gif  doh.gif
Actually I really want to get the SSMH re-cased in a nicer enclosure, since the only thing preventing me from using that amplifier more is the crappy 1/4 jack and case my friend used to build it. tongue.gif

So, now everything is dismantled. It'll probably be a while before it's back and running. I have to make time to get some resistors first. tongue.gif

The next time I build it, I will use a bigger heatsink for the mosfets, since the default heatsinks run way too hot. tongue.gif

I don't have a personal blog, but I am working on this site called www.headfonia.com. Please go easy on the reviews though, as I'm quite a noob when it comes to doing reviews.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jan 21 2010, 09:55 PM)
Hi!
Take it easy, one step at a time.. wink.gif

Dismantling is EASY work.. we can get carried away..! Hahahaha..
MOSFETS are heat monsters! Make sure you satisfy the heat dissipation requirements.

headfonia? Will have a look! Thanks.

Have fun!  biggrin.gif
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Been reading through the pages.. you guys are really hardcore! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
Love that F5 built by cchua.

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He's the hardcore one! tongue.gif
Count me out! wink.gif

Yes, the F5 is one kickass amp.. I almost build one, fortunately I already have one that I really like and it's kinda hard to justify to the Home Minister, why I need another amp! Hehehehe.. tongue.gif


QUOTE(ting.mike @ Jan 22 2010, 02:12 AM)
Been reading through the pages.. you guys are really hardcore!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Love that F5 built by cchua.
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He's the hardcore one!  tongue.gif
Count me out! wink.gif

Yes, the F5 is one kickass amp.. I almost build one, fortunately I already have one that I really like and it's kinda hard to justify to the Home Minister, why I need another amp! Hehehehe..  tongue.gif
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OMG... F5 in malaysia?
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Yes.. check out previous postings.. wink.gif
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OMG... F5 in malaysia?
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I bet there are many F5s in malaysia. I've got two myself. The F5 in my desktop keyboard and the F5 in my laptop keyboard. My wife's laptop also has an F5 I suppose. whistling.gif whistling.gif

Hehehehe... wonder how the K1000 AKG sounds out of the F5.
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Very funny ting.mike! For a moment there you got me too!!!


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I bet there are many F5s in malaysia. I've got two myself. The F5 in my desktop keyboard and the F5 in my laptop keyboard. My wife's laptop also has an F5 I suppose.  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

Hehehehe... wonder how the K1000 AKG sounds out of the F5.
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Listen is to believe. Anyone want to help me out? cool.gif
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^hang two speaker drivers across your ears to emulate the k1000.

PROBLEM SETTLED.
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^hang two speaker drivers across your ears to emulate the k1000.

PROBLEM SETTLED.
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That's a good one. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

LittleGhost, I notice that you design and build amplifiers. Just want to ask though, is there a good source for portable-size hammond casing in Malaysia?

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i usually get them from farnell. Though their price is far from being ideal. I don't think you can get them elsewhere over here in malaysia.

Still, they make good standard cases for a variety of board sizes.

i won't get them personally for loose builds, but I'd really get them for perfection purposes biggrin.gif


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Yes, the Hammonds aren't cheap.. only good amps should be put inside. biggrin.gif

I found a good casing for the SSMH, but the top and bottom doesn't open, only the front and back. Bummer. Pretty hard to do point to point on that box. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Jan 19 2010, 10:09 PM)
nanhifi

if you wish to get amps and speaker used item is a popular option with 'fraction' of the cost....currently hifi4sales.net is the best to scout around for different make and models.....

if i were you i do the macho man always do.....diy. I think bee amp and is fairly good amp even i never ever experience how does it sounds like.....maybe you need to replace all parts to some 'audiophile' item or a good quality one.
where do you stay anyway???? perhaps maybe i could have some educational tour to your place.....

somebody in hifi4sales.net also is selling an amp casing with a big heatsink.....try there....
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The bee amp is a kind of what I call greening the classics. The topology are classics and simple but have been tweaks by me to get the best for it kind. Since it have pretty big bass and high frequency is linearity so in most cheap component used in wiring (RCA, CD Player, computer sound) it will me a good match. If you got a very high end component such as a good CD player with a real flat preamplifier this bee amp will make a big bass so it maybe not very matching here. But for the cost i spend in this amplifier is a worth to me. In upgrade this bee amp I think I have push the limit for this kind of amplifier topology. tongue.gif

Yeah finally there are diy massive heatsink sold in Malaysia icon_rolleyes.gif . I got a pre make aleph power amplifier (Class A Build on 2006) but so hard to find a good heatsink. The diy casing, I must see it first so hope it fit on my dual big toroid transformer (1kw from Norway) and those stock Capacitors . More hope the heatsink is capable to absorb those very-very hot MOSFET.
This aleph amplifier will be my reference amp for my next project.

I now stay at Sri Kembangan but maybe on this year on Jun I will move to Nilai Negeri Sembilan.

Thank you gabanyaya for this url. glad the diy community are now growing in malaysia...

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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Jan 22 2010, 02:32 PM)
The bee amp is a kind of what I call greening the classics. The topology are classics and simple but have been tweaks by me to get the best for it kind. Since it have pretty big bass and high frequency is linearity so in most cheap component used in wiring (RCA, CD Player, computer sound) it will me a good match. If you got a very high end component such as a good CD player with a real flat preamplifier this bee amp will make a big bass so it maybe not very matching here. But for the cost i spend in this amplifier is a worth to me. In upgrade this bee amp I think I have push the limit for this kind of amplifier topology.  tongue.gif

Yeah finally there are diy massive heatsink sold in Malaysia  icon_rolleyes.gif . I got a pre make aleph power amplifier (Class A Build on 2006) but so hard to find a good heatsink.  The diy casing, I must see it first so hope it fit on my dual big toroid transformer (1kw from Norway) and those stock Capacitors . More hope the heatsink is capable to absorb those very-very hot MOSFET.
This aleph amplifier will be my reference amp for my next project.

I now stay at Sri Kembangan but maybe on this year on Jun I will move to Nilai Negeri Sembilan.

Thank you gabanyaya for this url. glad the diy community are now growing in malaysia...
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Im staying at Seri Kembangan also. maybe we can have a DIY meeting session smile.gif
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Aik? 'DIY meeting' 2 persons only? Sounds like a 'date'.. HAHAHAHA laugh.gif
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Aik? 'DIY meeting' 2 persons only? Sounds like a 'date'..  HAHAHAHA laugh.gif
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true also, i know LittleGhost is staying around also.. hehe
maybe we could make a gathering of DIYers, the more the merrier
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true also, i know LittleGhost is staying around also.. hehe
maybe we could make a gathering of DIYers, the more the merrier
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where got meeting for 3 peoples.....no fun.....we must ask nanhifi first if he willing to be the host????
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where got meeting for 3 peoples.....no fun.....we must ask nanhifi first if he willing to be the host????
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Me to be the host? I never expected this appreciation, but have to check my free time... now working at nilai so I get to work early in 10am get back to home at 12am or 1 am.... The bad news is I am working every day for now since there are no one to cover me at Nilai. Maybe I have to see other diy stuff 1st biggrin.gif . I think littleghost or gabanyayaya is far better then me.

As for farnell component I only buy a critical component such as Power MOSFET driver. Those fake one will make your diy amplifier turn into a smoky one. I have blown more then hundred ringgit of the power transistor until I know this is a fake transistor sold to me.... like a firecraker... So using farnell component it help me a lot.

Most of mine diy stuff are at Kedah, I just move to here last year (2009) so nothing to show but only my bee amp at here now. I plan many project this year and hope I will manage to make it at least one (need more time to do the reseach). I also need to get all my stuff at hometown first.

The pass F5 on previous post is wonderfull and I wonder how the sound? But I feel it will be great audio result.

For those who love Headphone there are also a good diy headphone amp . Maybe I will make the small headphone amp and publish here. But I only got a sony headphone to be test blush.gif . As mention I have to do some more reseach for this kind of amplifier.


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biggrin.gif just so to know I've ordered a Tektronik TDS2002B and a gw-Instek 7MHz DDS signal generator. lead time is about 3-4 weeks :\


Going to go crazy when it arrives.


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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Jan 22 2010, 10:32 PM)
Me to be the host? I never expected this appreciation, but have to check my free time... now working at nilai so I get to work early in 10am get back to home at 12am or 1 am.... The bad news is I am working every day for now since there are no one to cover me at Nilai. Maybe I have to see other diy stuff 1st  biggrin.gif .  I think littleghost or gabanyayaya is far better then me.

As for farnell component I only buy a critical component such as Power MOSFET driver. Those fake one will make your diy amplifier turn into a smoky one. I have blown more then hundred ringgit of the power transistor until I know this is a fake transistor sold to me.... like a firecraker... So using farnell component it help me a lot.

Most of mine diy stuff are at Kedah, I just move to here last year (2009) so nothing to show but only my bee amp at here now. I plan many project this year and hope I will manage to make it at least one (need more time to do the reseach). I also need to get all my stuff at hometown first.

The pass F5 on previous post is wonderfull and I wonder how the sound? But I feel it will be great audio result.

For those who love Headphone there are also a good diy headphone amp . Maybe I will make the small headphone amp and publish here. But I only got a sony headphone to be test  blush.gif . As mention I have to do some more reseach for this kind of amplifier.
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^farnell sells a handful of "cheap" items comparing to the ones you can get locally.

You just need to know what to get. I think there is no one in malaysia that can beat their price when it comes to components you actually use for performance.


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I can imagine!.. the same way when I got my scope and audio gen. Keep us posted!

QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 22 2010, 11:19 PM)
biggrin.gif just so to know I've ordered a Tektronik TDS2002B and a gw-Instek 7MHz DDS signal generator. lead time is about 3-4 weeks :\
Going to go crazy when it arrives.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 22 2010, 11:19 PM)
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Going to go crazy when it arrives.
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Bro u must be crazy tongue.gif
Invite me to ur secret lab when the baby arrives, i want to PK ur amp with my discrete headamp hehe
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for those who love F5, check out the built unit by KP33000 at the other forum.

it is really kickass with only 25W class A. suggest to use bigger casing.

check out the casing here if u want to build one.

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equip...ghlight=chassis

Hi littleghost,

I have all the parts (txf, pcb, compo, cap, etc. ) including casing for the F5, wonder if you can build the unit for demo ?

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littleghost, what a great tools you have, and for now I am just using a software base Spectrum analyser. Anything else are on simulations... not so much to be test in practical.
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Bro u must be crazy  tongue.gif
Invite me to ur secret lab when the baby arrives, i want to PK ur amp with my discrete headamp hehe
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dem it, must finish my folded cascode asap :|

QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 23 2010, 10:42 AM)
for those who love F5, check out the built unit by KP33000 at the other forum.

it is really kickass with only 25W class A. suggest to use bigger casing.

check out the casing here if u want to build one.

http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equip...ghlight=chassis

Hi littleghost,

I have all the parts (txf, pcb, compo, cap, etc. ) including casing for the F5, wonder if you can build the unit for demo ?
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Don't mind doing it lol, but my timetable is sorta insane this trimester and might actually take some time to finish it. I thought you've finished building one?

Which reminds me, chchyong89 is also planning a F5 biggrin.gif He's my university mate and we might just build one together for his speakers.


QUOTE(nanhifi @ Jan 23 2010, 05:54 PM)
littleghost, what a great tools you have, and for now I am just using a software base Spectrum analyser. Anything else are on simulations... not so much to be test in practical.
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I've seen your designs. Your topology reflects similarity with people like douglas self, and DX destroyer, and that guy from sound.westhost. biggrin.gif I'm curious why you did not go with more exotic topologies.


I find that eventually all of us will need a scope because simulations are too perfect to be true biggrin.gif (though they are accurate most of the time)



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I want to ask a question to all DIY who knows electric and electronic.

I have problem with my USB dac (alien DAC), whenever i switch on my table fan or switch on my ceiling light, they seems like interrupting my USB DAC. The DAC have no sound after that. I have to replugged the usb cable again.

I also notice once in a while, my mouse light(also usb connected) responding on the activity above.

Any idea why might cause this?
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done. i will get you the parts.

yesterday I listened to my fren's diy amp. wow, that was amazing. it was a Pass Aleph 30W class A. The huge casing isnt too hot.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jan 23 2010, 09:24 PM)
dem it, must finish my folded cascode asap :|
Don't mind doing it lol, but my timetable is sorta insane this trimester and might actually take some time to finish it. I thought you've finished building one?

Which reminds me, chchyong89 is also planning a F5 biggrin.gif He's my university mate and we might just build one together for his speakers.
I've seen your designs. Your topology reflects similarity with people like douglas self, and DX destroyer, and that guy from sound.westhost. biggrin.gif I'm curious why you did not go with more exotic topologies.
I find that eventually all of us will need a scope because simulations are too perfect to be true biggrin.gif (though they are accurate most of the time)
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The design look a same but there are value and other component and type introduced in my design so the sound result is not a same. They are my major reference and just in what matters I design look a same but not sound same. Well this guy have help me a lot and to study more so I try to designing it with a few more upgrade from my reseach that I found. That why my design look similar but not a same.. smile.gif

As you see in Rode design he omited the current mirror component, Dougles put a current mirror but Rode put a green LED but I using a red LED but for Dougles he use a diode 1n4148. Each have own special charateristic not just using like try and error. The result I am choosing is from my reseach and as you see there are more than what I call same topoly but not same component value and more likely so much to say in here. So much variation involve even a what we call classic topology but it also have a limitation of maybe we still not found a better one. My website have been seen by sound.westhost after I launch it.

More exotic design mean more secret they keep on. To design is not just to take and change a bit value or add more component and claim as my design. I need to know why each of the component is put there and how it effect the sound not only the THD, Phase, IMD and so on but the only things is are it sound good?. Your all diyer I have made so many amplifier and electronics project as I even not count it and around 5% of the DIY project is shown in my website. This because I also keep my secret to and most of all it also have a copyright issue. But I know most of you also a great diy.. biggrin.gif ..
Need to find osc but also need to upgrade a few things too...

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What are you trying to do, chchyong?
More poison..? laugh.gif
Certainly nice those brushed aluminium casing, 'champagne gold' ala Marantz anodic treatment but why the different tint..? hmm.gif
My main complaint would be 'Dun Mei Audio' markings...
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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Jan 24 2010, 08:52 PM)
The design look a same but there are value and other component and type introduced in my design so the sound result is not a same. They are my major reference and just in what matters I design look a same but not sound same. Well this guy have help me a lot and to study more so I try to designing it with a few more upgrade from my reseach that I found. That why my design look similar but not a same.. smile.gif 

As you see in Rode design he omited the current mirror component, Dougles put a current mirror but Rode put a green LED but I using a red LED but for Dougles he use a diode 1n4148. Each have own special charateristic not just using like try and error. The result I am choosing is from my reseach and as you see there are more than what I call same topoly but not same component value and more likely so much to say in here. So much variation involve even a what we call classic topology but it also have a limitation of maybe we still not found a better one. My website have been seen by sound.westhost after I launch it.

More exotic design mean more secret they keep on. To design is not just to take and change a bit value or add more component and claim as my design. I need to know why each of the component is put there and how it effect the sound  not only the THD, Phase, IMD and so on but the only things is are it sound good?. Your all diyer I have made so many amplifier and electronics project as I even not count it and around 5% of the DIY project is shown in my website. This because I also keep my secret to and most of all it also have a copyright issue. But I know most of you also a great diy.. biggrin.gif ..
Need to find osc but also need to upgrade a few things too...
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Ok would you like to be the president of the DIY club  here...?
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What a pleasure but I am sorry maybe not for now. I feel so much to be upgrade for my DIY and there are also better DIYer in here too.. I also burden work commitment now.

ccschua- according to your friends aleph 30w class A what model is it. You said is not so hot. Previous I make for my friend Zen V1 the even a big heatsink is very2 hot any it only run at 10Wrms with idle of 100W. I cannot tuch it during operation. The insulator used in my friend Zen is mica not the normal silicon type. If using the silicon type the power transistor will easly damage since the thermal contact is lower then using mica (modi from top-3 mica insulator).

The diy casing -dun mei- maybe small for my aleph 4. As you know even the orginal version of aleph4 on operation it ca reach up to 55 celcius and this is very2 massive heatsink. I have to see it 1st maybe have to modify to insert bigger heatsink and it must be taller than that (double I think). My class A pml current feedback only idle for 30W and I use single car power amplifier to cool it down but still so hot to touch.. (I hate heat from class A tongue.gif ). If your amp run to hot it will make your power transistor/FET get older fast. and it will reduce the power output example from 30W down to 20w (check the datasheet for power transistor or FET). Maybe be I have to buy two (making monoblock). But no bonus this year cry.gif

The Dun Mei marking.. I will whipe it out... tongue.gif ...

Where are all diyer gone (busy diy or what)?...
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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Feb 1 2010, 10:51 PM)
What a pleasure but I am sorry maybe not for now. I feel so much to be upgrade for my DIY and there are also better DIYer in here too..  I also burden work commitment now.

ccschua- according to your friends aleph 30w class A what model is it. You said is not so hot. Previous I make for my friend Zen V1 the even a big heatsink is very2 hot any it only run at 10Wrms with idle of 100W. I cannot tuch it during operation. The insulator used in my friend Zen is mica not the normal silicon type. If using the silicon type the power transistor will easly damage since the thermal contact is lower then using mica (modi from top-3 mica insulator).

The diy casing -dun mei- maybe small for my aleph 4. As you know even the orginal version of aleph4 on operation it ca reach up to 55 celcius and this is very2 massive heatsink. I have to see it 1st maybe have to modify to insert bigger heatsink and it must be taller than that (double I think). My class A pml current feedback only idle for 30W and I use single car power amplifier to cool it down but still so hot to touch.. (I hate heat from class A  tongue.gif ). If your amp run to hot it will make your power transistor/FET get older fast. and it will reduce the power output example from 30W down to 20w (check the datasheet for power transistor or FET). Maybe be I have to buy two (making monoblock). But no bonus this year  cry.gif 

The Dun Mei marking.. I will whipe it out... tongue.gif  ...

Where are all diyer gone (busy diy or what)?...
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Certainly go busy for this year since no bonus.... sad.gif

Nanhifi, so what is your casing/heat sink solution??? I'm in a mission to find a casing too. Look is not the main issue but must be able to accommodate all 'nonsense' in the amp circuit and fit nicely into it....perhaps maybe in your area there's a place that can provide custom made chassis.....wood would be good for vintage look.
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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Feb 2 2010, 07:28 PM)
Certainly go busy for this year since no bonus.... sad.gif

Nanhifi, so what is your casing/heat sink solution??? I'm in a mission to find a casing too. Look is not the main issue but must be able to accommodate all 'nonsense' in the amp circuit and fit nicely into it....perhaps maybe in your area there's a place that can provide custom made chassis.....wood would be good for vintage look.
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I am looking to find a custom block with CNC cutting heat sink. The component placing must be place at rules. The power section, the heat sentitive device (Caps) and the wiring diagram and etc to minimize the hum or interfarence signal (RF) and prolong life . So far I still not be able to find the heatsink locally but only imported. The major problem is the shipping cost are very high.

My solution for now is try to combine all heatsink that I found to reduce heat. Or put some fan but it will have a fan noise but this is not very cricital we drive the amp at high volume the noise will not noticed. The problem it.. sure it look ugly whistling.gif . as always my prototype project always without casing. brows.gif it kind a dangerous but need to find the result 1st.




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QUOTE(nanhifi @ Feb 4 2010, 06:45 PM)
I am looking to find a custom block with CNC cutting heat sink. The component placing must be place at rules. The power section, the heat sentitive device (Caps) and the wiring diagram and etc to minimize the hum or interfarence signal (RF) and prolong life . So far I still not be able to find the heatsink locally but only imported. The major problem is the shipping cost are very high.

My solution for now is try to combine all heatsink that I found to reduce heat. Or put some fan but it will have a fan noise but this is not very cricital we drive the amp at high volume the noise will not noticed. The problem it.. sure it look ugly whistling.gif . as always my prototype project always without casing. brows.gif  it kind a dangerous but need to find the result 1st.
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Sounds interesting, nanhifi is it possible for me to have a look at your 'naked' prototype....lawatan sambil belajar....??? I need something to inspire me...
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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Feb 4 2010, 08:31 PM)
Sounds interesting, nanhifi is it possible for me to have a look at your 'naked' prototype....lawatan sambil belajar....??? I need something to inspire me...
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Can somebody tell me where to find it locally?.

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This is 'Bolehland'.. memang boleh tak jual/stock/supply.. laugh.gif
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Just got my TDS2002B and SFG-2107 biggrin.gif

Tested a pcbed amplifier that I built and designed without prior scope testing (only done simulations)

Turns out it's stable biggrin.gif

This means I get to realize the discrete design I've been working on soon enough biggrin.gif
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have yet to build a test jig (for variable load) for the OSK. The waveforms are taken without load. Amplifier tested is my dBM amplifier using the originally selected OPAMPS (AD825 x2, OPA627 x1)



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Shows very nice results smile.gif Squarewaves a bit noisy but I suspect it's due to 24VDC wall wart and the lower PSRR of the output stage due to the choice of using resistors for CCS as an alternative to a warmer sound and cheaper budget.

Will get a frequency response graph (dominated by lead compensation) and real time FFT measurements when I build the required test jig.

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congrat bro on ur gear purchase.. when can we PK our discrete amp?
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SOON! biggrin.gif

Maybe we'll meet up after my midterms laugh.gif


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SOON! biggrin.gif

Maybe we'll meet up after my midterms laugh.gif
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new toy arrived liao hohoho rclxms.gif
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My friend ask me how to get sound from the speaker his cousin gave him, its a satellite from Sonic Gear Enzo 7000 (just guessing from the looks of it because he have no idea too laugh.gif)

Having no amplifier, I try to 'hack' the onboard from my laptop to drive this speaker, to my surprise it sounds unbelivably well!

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Because I have no solder iron at my dorm, ingenuity is needed to connect it, the answer: ducttape tongue.gif

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Well, because the 'discovery' of a forumer about the tweeter of Sonic Gear is fake so I test it whether this one is a display or a real deal by cover up the midbass, use sine wave generator, ramp up the frequency above 10kHz, and just as I expected, a fake tweeter doh.gif not a single sound comes out of it, what the hell Sonic Gear is doing? They just ramp up the production costs putting faked one there. Well, they let the eyes deceive what you hear I guess sweat.gif
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Najmods,
Was it worth the trouble? At the same time taking a risk shorting some wires and damaging your lappy? hmm.gif
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No damage was done, I know what I was doing. Everything still work like clockwork tongue.gif
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Well, I just wanted to test whether the speakers work or not as he wanted to buy an amp for it. I don't want him to spend money on amp and find out the speaker is busted to begin with biggrin.gif
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chappies - am going to HK for biz , any suggestions where to buy DIY amp goodies like nice PSU capacitors, heatsinks etc etc.. I know Ap Liu ST - any other suggestions of good shops/locations u kaki's have checked out ?
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Feb 23 2010, 10:29 AM)
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wish someone pro can help me....
i m doing a class D amplifier but facing problem in using the gate driver..,i hv tried to use ir2011 n hip4081 but fail. anyone provide me a schematic as reference?
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^ You'll have to provide a whole schematic and topology before anyone else can comment. Generally we'll have to see your design before we can recommend another one.
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The first pic is the generic schematic from the datasheet...the 2nd pic is wat i try to use....i use irfb4212pbf as the mosfet....
but the result is....short circuit(limited by the power supply at 0.5A)....the current is very high n tats y i spoilt a gate driver....
i dun hv any software tat can simulate tis gate driver(i m using multisim)...so the risk is very high for me...T.T
Thx for ur advise....

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a low pass filter will be added at the load....but if tis schematic is working, wher should i place oscilloscope to test it?
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Any hobbyist here have built the 5687 preamp by diyparadise?
Refer here: Simple 5687 based preamp

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My humble franken-cmoybb
caps/resistors and opamp rollable.

I know, its crazy but I like it like that.
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My humble franken-cmoybb
caps/resistors and opamp rollable.

I know, its crazy but I like it like that.
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If possible, resistors and capacitors should not be socketed due to parasitics and interference pickup, which can happen when you tombstone mount components. Especially components within the feedback loop
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Ohh thanks!

Didn't know this, what happens if you do it?
What will happen?
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Ohh thanks!

Didn't know this, what happens if you do it?
What will happen?
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Sound will suck, distortion will be high, CMRR and PSRR will become lower, opamp instability/oscillation and so on.

That's why i never allow for opamp rolling in any of my builds. If you put a socket in, you're further from the shielding of the ground plane as well.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Mar 31 2010, 03:20 PM)
Sound will suck, distortion will be high, CMRR and PSRR will become lower, opamp instability/oscillation and so on.

That's why i never allow for opamp rolling in any of my builds. If you put a socket in, you're further from the shielding of the ground plane as well.
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oh my.. i was thinking to do that at 1st too.. jz tat i forgot to buy the sockets.. so juz solder in..

lucky biggrin.gif

edited: oh hi all sifus i would like to build another amp based on this site...

but then i couldn't find IRF 513 Mosfet on farnell.. izzit ok if i use IRF 520 instead?

thx! notworthy.gif

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IRF510 is better. IRF520 has shittier specs.




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IRF510 is better. IRF520 has shittier specs.
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thx for replying..

but the prob is.. farnell doesn't sell IRF510 ald.. no longer stocked...

will IRF510PBF work?

n thx for ur suggestion on buying on farnell.. i got my opa2227 d... now my CMOY works great! thumbup.gif
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thx for replying..

but the prob is.. farnell doesn't sell IRF510 ald.. no longer stocked...

will IRF510PBF work?

n thx for ur suggestion on buying on farnell.. i got my opa2227 d... now my CMOY works great! thumbup.gif
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PBF designates Lead Free or ROHS compliant status.

The functionality should be 100 percent the same.
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PBF designates Lead Free or ROHS compliant status.

The functionality should be 100 percent the same.
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i really need to read more...

thx for the info!! will get my hands on those now.. laugh.gif
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Sound will suck, distortion will be high, CMRR and PSRR will become lower, opamp instability/oscillation and so on.

That's why i never allow for opamp rolling in any of my builds. If you put a socket in, you're further from the shielding of the ground plane as well.
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No way to work around it?
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QUOTE(weib @ Mar 31 2010, 05:54 PM)
No way to work around it?
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how to bend physics?

cannot leh sad.gif

EDIT: Okay, conscience kicking in, jokes aside, the only things you can safely socket are the OPAMP socket (since for cmoy you hardly use anything fast), and the input caps (because the lead length means jackshit here), plus all the other things that is not related to the audio circuit (LEDs etc)


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PBF designates Lead Free or ROHS compliant status.

The functionality should be 100 percent the same.
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i thought you were some new guy or something now that i've grown attached to your old one.



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No way to work around it?
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Increased loop compensation, power supply decoupling and the stuff that LG suggested. But i prefer prevention rather than cure.

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i thought you were some new guy or something now that i've grown attached to your old one.


I like animu gals with that smug "you has a small penorz" look lol. Because i are smug bastid.

Either way, my next project is Blaser, Accuracy International project telah disiapkan.

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hey sifu sifu sekalian... i hav a question here.. if i were to build a class A mosfet amp..

jz like the attached pic... how do i build the (-)9v and (+)9v supply?

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i search thru the net n found a few schematic using max1044.. which is kinda expensive n rare..

+9v and -9v from a 9v battery

any other cheaper way to build 1?

thx in advance! notworthy.gif

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:\ just use a transformer and feed it to a simple LM7809, LM7909 complementary 9V regulators.


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ahh tats a very simple and cheap way indeed.. thx for the tips!
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Not that I'm aware of..
Whats wrong with it?
(I bought 2 x PA2V2)
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hi all sifu.. i hav a problem again..

so i have construct my class A mosfet according to this schematic..

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im using 2 IRF510pbf mosfet and LMC7660 as the voltage regulator..

my problem now is it produce a tweeting/hissing sound... very noticeable unless i turn the volume up which could hurt my ear.. how to decrease the annoying tweeting/hissing sound? could it be the wiring problem? i did minimize the usage of wire ald though.. unsure.gif

thx in advance! notworthy.gif

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ok i think i jz burned my capacitor... this is the 2nd time ald.. smoke coming out and pooff.. strange thing is i can still turn it on after awhile, functioning.. so izzit the burned capacitor that cause the twitting sound???
will error in polarity cause capacitor to burn? there's a possibility that im having tat kinda of error..

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polarity mistakes and overvoltage usually means kaboom.

why are you using a noisy LMC7660?



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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 13 2010, 10:40 PM)
polarity mistakes and overvoltage usually means kaboom.

why are you using a noisy LMC7660?
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oh? so the culprit is the 7660? if i redesign my voltage regulator, the noise will disappear? thx alot! notworthy.gif
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You still have to solve the issue of caps blowing up don't you?

Also, I don't think the LMC7660 counts as a regulator. It's more like a buck boost isnt it?
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You still have to solve the issue of caps blowing up don't you?

Also, I don't think the LMC7660 counts as a regulator. It's more like a buck boost isnt it?
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hmm im not too good wif the terms.. sry if i confused u.. got the idea of the schematic from here and its datasheet..

will try to solve the capacitor 1st.. thx!
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finally after few days of troubleshooting.. i solve the buzzing problem! icon_rolleyes.gif

still using the lmc7660, before it was like this..
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the buzzing sound gone completely after i connect the capacitor to the pin 7... biggrin.gif
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got the idea after looking at the datasheet.. there's a thing called oscillating capacitance (C osc).. which is the 1 i jz add in..

i did try it with smaller value of capacitance.. eg 0.1uf and 220uf... the difference is huge! it improves drastically as the capacitance increases! thumbup.gif

when i was using 0.1uf.. there's still buzzing sound.. but it it buzz rather slowly..

then 220uf.. the buzzing sound is even slower..

finally 470uf... the buzzing sound gone completely...

from the datasheet
It is possible to dramatically reduce the quiescent operating current of the LMC7660 by lowering the oscillator frequency.
The oscillator frequency can be lowered from a nominal 10 kHz to several hundred hertz, by adding a slow-down capacitor Cosc.

conclusion
the LMC7660 is not tat noisy after all..! laugh.gif
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my F5 is ready to go! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Apr 18 2010, 12:59 AM)
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wow nice 1 bro!

here's mine.. so miniature compare to urs LOL..

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CMOY amp

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Class A MOSFET amp

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bro gu wak chai, still hanging around MMU?

Let's hang out biggrin.gif EDIT AT CHCHYONG89's PLACE.

I have a few good things you can try.

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wow... it'll be great.. but now i still need to rush assignment lar.. mayb nex week or sumthing? i hav alot to ask sifu oso haha...
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wow... it'll be great.. but now i still need to rush assignment lar.. mayb nex week or sumthing? i hav alot to ask sifu oso haha...
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sad.gif we have tons of shit to do too sad.gif Next week is nice.


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yeaa.. almost the end of the sem d.. assignment due and finals.. sienz..
will let u guys know by then! biggrin.gif
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Sorry to hear that chchyong...
salvageable?
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i just get one channel of the F5 working. Omg, it's so transparent, biggrin.gif~
And it's connected to only PC's onboard soundcard to drive it now.

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Good for you! thumbup.gif


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jazzy make one la, i am sure the sound will be very very very satisfy!

it sound a lot better than ta2024.

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Actually, kinda 'itchy' to make one but I got so many amps already! laugh.gif
Currently my tube pre-amp is in the making.. pending how good this is, I might go ALL tubes! brows.gif


QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Apr 24 2010, 12:45 AM)
jazzy make one la, i am sure the sound will be very very very satisfy!

it sound a lot better than ta2024.
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anticipating ur tube preamp for ages bro jazzy lol
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Looks like it's gonna take a while longer! tongue.gif

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anticipating ur tube preamp for ages bro jazzy lol
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got back my face plate for the mini 3 -

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Quite a good job done

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weib,
these face plates, tell us more now that you mentioned it..
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i built this power amplifier 15 years ago
still using it until today.
It is a class AB all transistor power amp.
The 4 big power transistors are located below the 4 heat sink block.

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Pretty good! thumbup.gif
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anyone has extra OPA2132PA to sell or give? Jalan Pasar is quite far but doesnt have any but Farnell is even further icon_question.gif
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anyone has extra OPA2132PA to sell or give? Jalan Pasar is quite far but doesnt have any but Farnell is even further  icon_question.gif
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wat u mean farnell even further.. jz order from them n hav them deliver to ur door step.. thumbup.gif
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Just received my F5 boards today..
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chchyong,
where's the completely built-up pics? wink.gif
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bro jazzy , secretly build F5 har? hows ur tube preamp going?
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Nah, not really.. otherwise I won't be announcing it here, right? tongue.gif
Since the F5 is Class A, lots of heat, I thought I wanna partner it with the tube preamp! wink.gif
Waiting for the last 7 pin tube sockets to arrive, probably next week.(Item already shipped as of yesterday)
I'll keep you posted! tongue.gif

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bro jazzy , secretly build F5 har? hows ur tube preamp going?
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no inner pictures for now, very lazy to unscrew the casing@@



my dad guarantee shoot me after the electricity bill come. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Jun 2 2010, 10:10 PM)
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bila want to build beta24? tongue.gif
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I saw a sure kickass heatsink in one of the electrical shop behind jalan pasar.. might be using it for the F5.. brows.gif
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My SOHA II is ready for CanJam 2010! rclxm9.gif

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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU








I do hope that this is NOT the only thing you've built ever since you went to US.
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I do hope that this is NOT the only thing you've built ever since you went to US.
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And another PPAv2, but yeah, meh. My room is too small for me to solder anything. I have to spend nights in the IEEE club room using(misusing?) their lab bench.

Sigh, my amp-building pace has slowed down much. sad.gif No time and monies.

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ohno!i heard SOHA II can drive K1000.. brows.gif


Added on June 4, 2010, 2:40 pmbtw, wat case is tat?

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I was about to say the same thing! laugh.gif

Yo Eokboy.. long time no hear! Hope you're doing good.
C'mon, where are the other 'goodies'? tongue.gif

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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I do hope that this is NOT the only thing you've built ever since you went to US.
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ohno!i heard SOHA II can drive K1000..  brows.gif


Added on June 4, 2010, 2:40 pmbtw, wat case is tat?
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Hammond 1455T1602, with custom perforated top

QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jun 4 2010, 02:46 PM)
I was about to say the same thing! laugh.gif

Yo Eokboy.. long time no hear! Hope you're doing good.
C'mon, where are the other 'goodies'? tongue.gif
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Alhamdulillah uncle smile.gif

Nothing else ler.. sweat.gif Any free time spent cycling now. New hobby: road bikes that are cheap here but cost thousands in Malaysia biggrin.gif
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Alhamdulillah, I am happy for you! biggrin.gif

Oh yeah. I did the same too when I was away studying.. wink.gif Enjoy it while it lasts! wink.gif

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Alhamdulillah uncle  smile.gif

Nothing else ler..  sweat.gif  Any free time spent cycling now. New hobby: road bikes that are cheap here but cost thousands in Malaysia  biggrin.gif
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Oh yeah, I got myself a nice pair of Mission bookshelves. What amp should I build for it? Gainclone?

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Oh yeah, I got myself a nice pair of Mission bookshelves. What amp should I build for it? Gainclone?
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For get the GainClone.. F5 is the way to go now! (I am building one soon wink.gif )

QUOTE(Eokboy @ Jun 4 2010, 02:56 PM)
Oh yeah, I got myself a nice pair of Mission bookshelves. What amp should I build for it? Gainclone?
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Eh, F5 Club soon? smile.gif
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how do you make your own amp? sounds crazy
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Eh, F5 Club soon? smile.gif
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Yes, I have read about it and seen the circuit.
I'll decide after the auditioning of your F5... hehe.

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jazzy, try to built the minimized f5 without the circuit protection on it. it sound better but i havent try it.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jun 5 2010, 01:02 AM)
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For those who interested to test the F5, can come over to cyberjaya to test it out before 20 june. Book a time with me.

ps. take note that i don't have a proper speaker and environment setup (:
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Any takers? hmm.gif

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For those who interested to test the F5, can come over to cyberjaya to test it out before 20 june. Book a time with me.

ps. take note that i don't have a proper speaker and environment setup (:
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hey guys, collecting parts for my tube kit, where can I buy a 180-0-180 with filament 5 ~6.3vac transformer? Available at jalan pasar ? thanks!
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Don't think there is a ready made one.
You can place an order at Multicare transformers. 3-4 days to delivery.
How much? Depends on the VA..

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QUOTE(cresstt @ Jun 15 2010, 09:11 PM)
hey guys, collecting parts for my tube kit, where can I buy a 180-0-180 with filament 5 ~6.3vac transformer? Available at jalan pasar ? thanks!
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thanks jazzy for the input...
should be okay if you a separate transformers right?.. I mean for 180-0-180 I use one and for the 0-63 I use a separate one... should be okay right ?
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Definitely can! Only added cost.. wink.gif
I made mine, 330-0-330, 2X 0-6 all in a single tranny.

QUOTE(cresstt @ Jun 19 2010, 08:16 AM)
thanks jazzy for the input...
should be okay if you a separate transformers right?.. I mean for 180-0-180 I use one and for the 0-63 I use a separate one... should be okay right ?
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thanks jazzy for the input...
should be okay if you a separate transformers right?.. I mean for 180-0-180 I use one and for the 0-63 I use a separate one... should be okay right ?
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separate also good....in fact some say separate power source for anode and heaters is better than combine if money should be no issue...then the amp will full with transformers.....more heat heat a distortions..... smile.gif
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jun 19 2010, 09:32 AM)
Definitely can! Only added cost.. wink.gif
I made mine, 330-0-330, 2X 0-6 all in a single tranny.
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wowzers ..u made one? can yo direct me to a link reference. ..thanks..
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jazzy....roughly how much did that trans cost ?

wanna build one for LME49830 biggrin.gif
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Around RM90.

QUOTE(sakaic @ Jun 23 2010, 10:30 PM)
jazzy....roughly how much did that trans cost ?

wanna build one for LME49830 biggrin.gif
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Thanks.....wanna finish drawing the pcb first. Then will order.
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Not at all. Keep up posted with your progress! wink.gif
BTW, what software are you using to 'draw' the PCB?

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Thanks.....wanna finish drawing the pcb first. Then will order.
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Thanks.....wanna finish drawing the pcb first. Then will order.
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around rm80 for 150VA, if 100va then the price will drop to around rm60ish to 70ish...

btw...thanks Jazzy..ordered mine already..just waiting for delivery...

too bad that my preamp requires 180v to 230v, if it can run on 120, then I'd probably wouldnt think twice of ordering a toroid from Skycoral...only usd20
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QUOTE(cresstt @ Jun 26 2010, 05:17 PM)
around rm80 for 150VA, if 100va then the price will drop to around rm60ish to 70ish...

btw...thanks Jazzy..ordered mine already..just waiting for delivery...

too bad that my preamp requires 180v to 230v, if it can run on 120, then I'd probably wouldnt think twice of ordering a toroid from Skycoral...only usd20
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kidding. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cresstt @ Jun 26 2010, 06:17 PM)
around rm80 for 150VA, if 100va then the price will drop to around rm60ish to 70ish...

btw...thanks Jazzy..ordered mine already..just waiting for delivery...

too bad that my preamp requires 180v to 230v, if it can run on 120, then I'd probably wouldnt think twice of ordering a toroid from Skycoral...only usd20
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skycoral takes custom tranny orders???? what type, e core or torroid?

does he do this regularly....?
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QUOTE(gabanyayaya @ Jun 27 2010, 02:29 AM)
skycoral takes custom tranny orders???? what type, e core or torroid?

does he do this regularly....?
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I got to know there's one shop in JP now stocking some toroids. Pricing slightly cheaper than RS..
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I got to know there's one shop in JP now stocking some toroids. Pricing slightly cheaper than RS..
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what..? Nixie.....the one used with the T2024 board.....?
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No, not NIXIE, Standwell.
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No, not NIXIE, Standwell.
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..besides the BOSCH hardware shop opposite the Pro's Kit shop.
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..besides the BOSCH hardware shop opposite the Pro's Kit shop.
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QUOTE(chchyong89 @ Apr 22 2010, 05:34 AM)
lucky i got one spare tongue.gif

i just get one channel of the F5 working. Omg, it's so transparent, biggrin.gif~
And it's connected to only PC's onboard soundcard to drive it now.
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Interested in this amp, but too bad seller DID not reply for any further deal.. haha.

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quick question for you audiophiles out there, what is the cheapest and fastest way to get 2 alps blue potentiometer here ? ebay ? farnel ? local seller ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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Fastest would be Farnell.
but its much cheaper from ebay.. local seller? where?who?

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quick question for you audiophiles out there, what is the cheapest and fastest way to get 2 alps blue potentiometer here ? ebay ? farnel ? local seller ?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Fastest would be Farnell.
but its much cheaper from ebay.. local seller? where?who?
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local seller got.....but need to change 's' to 'ha' ---> Alpha potmeter smile.gif

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QUOTE(cresstt @ Jul 6 2010, 07:51 PM)
quick question for you audiophiles out there, what is the cheapest and fastest way to get 2 alps blue potentiometer here ? ebay ? farnel ? local seller ?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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What value are you looking.
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QUOTE(jazzy939 @ Jul 6 2010, 08:47 PM)
Fastest would be Farnell.
but its much cheaper from ebay.. local seller? where?who?
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farnell would be fastest but definitely not the cheapest.

farnell price is rm160 http://my.farnell.com/alps/rk27111220k/pot...-20k/dp/1191722



thinking of getting it from here


http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPS-Potentiometer-Jap...=item3ca6bdf647

or

here
http://cgi.ebay.com/Alps-RK27-Blue-velvet-...=item3a5c591522




anywant want to share the shipping cost?



rs malaysia sells way cheaper than farnell @ rm76.50

here it is
http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/search/s...oduct&R=2369604

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I want a 100K Alps, sure lets share the shipping cost! thumbup.gif

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2 50k blue alps  biggrin.gif


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farnell would be fastest but definitely not the cheapest.

farnell price is rm160  http://my.farnell.com/alps/rk27111220k/pot...-20k/dp/1191722
thinking of getting it from here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ALPS-Potentiometer-Jap...=item3ca6bdf647

or

here
http://cgi.ebay.com/Alps-RK27-Blue-velvet-...=item3a5c591522
anywant want to share the shipping cost?
rs malaysia sells way cheaper than farnell @ rm76.50

here it is
http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/search/s...oduct&R=2369604
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Did you guys ever know of the RedWine Audio Signature 30.2, USD2500. It got one superb review from 6moons audio, stating it blows USD45k amps out the roof.

Main point..the Sig 30.2 is a T-AMP, one small T-AMP board, almost similar to the one we are getting at rm50 a piece. Another GainCard 47 cerita biggrin.gif
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ijan,
yes I am aware of that wink.gif
but its rated at 30W RMS per channel. Wonder which Tripath chip it is using.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ijan @ Jul 8 2010, 01:13 PM)
Did you guys ever know of the RedWine Audio Signature 30.2, USD2500. It got one superb review from 6moons audio, stating it blows USD45k amps out the roof.

Main point..the Sig 30.2 is a T-AMP, one small T-AMP board, almost similar to the one we are getting at rm50 a piece. Another GainCard 47 cerita biggrin.gif
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Really?

EDIT: I'm going to do the same with a tripath chip and sell it at 2500 MYR.

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Little Ghost,
.. and make more money than selling the F5! laugh.gif
chchyong jangan marah ya.. wink.gif

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jazzy, i just asked chchyong to get me some full range drivers.

I suppose this is where I end up messing with speakers sad.gif



needs a spanking new amp. Cant decide which topology to use yet.

it's either a fully complementary Current Feedback (ala Pass F5, except three stage) or Folded Cascode biggrin.gif
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Wow! A full range.. someone is selling some Vifa drivers.. good enough? Kinda pricey though..

Ah.. topologies.. tough choice ler.. as long as it sounds good to me, I'm not bothered.. hehe. good luck lah bro! laugh.gif

QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jul 8 2010, 05:27 PM)
jazzy, i just asked chchyong to get me some full range drivers.

I suppose this is where I end up messing with speakers sad.gif
needs a spanking new amp. Cant decide which topology to use yet.

it's either a fully complementary Current Feedback (ala Pass F5, except three stage) or Folded Cascode biggrin.gif
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Hi all, Where can I find a local electronics part at Seremban area? Need to buy a power transistor (pasar road is far from me ). Hope can tell me the details location for the shop.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jul 8 2010, 05:27 PM)
jazzy, i just asked chchyong to get me some full range drivers.

I suppose this is where I end up messing with speakers sad.gif
needs a spanking new amp. Cant decide which topology to use yet.

it's either a fully complementary Current Feedback (ala Pass F5, except three stage) or Folded Cascode biggrin.gif
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FULL RANGE driver FTW! laugh.gif
http://www.youtube.com/user/telaworks#p/u/1/O9NEOhKphGg

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Wow! drool.gif
You/LG gonna make one?

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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Jul 8 2010, 05:27 PM)
jazzy, i just asked chchyong to get me some full range drivers.

I suppose this is where I end up messing with speakers sad.gif
needs a spanking new amp. Cant decide which topology to use yet.

it's either a fully complementary Current Feedback (ala Pass F5, except three stage) or Folded Cascode biggrin.gif
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Pls visit this 8"Full-Range driver from Visaton (German), famous DIY driver in Europe!
Can be open baffle , reflex & horn design.
Easy to built!

http://www.visaton.com/en/chassis_zubehoer...and/b200_6.html


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You/LG gonna make one?
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Untunglah your gf.. hehe

I am thinking about moving out from amp building(too much already) to speakers building.
Was intrigue about open baffle a while back.. kinda hard to get good drivers here in bolehland.
Now that someone is offering the service and goods, maybe I'll take another look...
A speaker thread coming up..? tongue.gif

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Jazzy you start a speaker thread la.
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I need to have something like a speaker to start with! laugh.gif
I am thinking about building an open baffle.. small enough for a desktop use before jumping for bigger versions. problem is.. its kinda hard to get right drivers (with the right price) in bolehland... maybe I start to salvage some of the drivers I have around the house... Now that just gave me an idea.. I'll come up with something today! whistling.gif

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Jazzy you start a speaker thread la.
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