If Agger leaves, bring in Breno from Bayern!

who?

i also dunno how it feel..cause im too young to feel it...lets share the moment of glory together...pray hard for that...

yeah! my dad have those taste before...he was a Liverpool fans when he's young..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breno_Vinicius_Borges

LIVERPOOL V EVERTON: STAT ATTACK


Here are all the relevant stats and facts ahead of Monday's Merseyside derby.
# Head to head in the league:

At Anfield: Liverpool 38 wins, Everton 23 wins, 28 draws.
Overall: Liverpool 68 wins, Everton 56 wins, 55 draws.

# Earlier this season at Goodison Liverpool won 2-0 with both goals from Fernando Torres. It was Liverpool's seventh win in the last nine visits.

# Liverpool have won three successive league games over the Blues. The last time they won four in a row was in August 1991 which came in a sequence of five.

# Liverpool have won 82 of the 208 meetings between the sides in all competitions with the Blues winning 64.

# This game is the 180th league meeting with the Reds having won 68 to the Blues 56. It is the most played derby in English league football.

# If Liverpool win they will record their 200th victory home victory in the Premier League.

# The last derby hat-trick for Liverpool saw Ian Rush score four in a 5-0 win at Goodison in November 1982, while for the Blues Dixie Dean hit three at Anfield in September 1931 in a 3-1 win.

# Four Liverpool players have scored derby hat-tricks at Anfield. The last was Fred Howe in September 1935. The others were Harry Chambers (1922), d*** Forshaw (1925) and Harold Barton (1933).

# Fernando Torres is hoping to become only the third Liverpool player to score in both Merseyside derbies in the same Premier League season. The last was Emile Heskey (2000-01) and prior to that Robbie Fowler in 1995-96.

# The Reds are looking to record their fourth Premier League double over their city rivals.

# Steven Gerrard could captain Liverpool tonight for the 250th time in his career.

# The only goal of last season's Anfield derby, scored by Fernando Torres, earned Liverpool their 3,000th point at home in league games.

# Fernando Torres has scored Liverpool's last three goals in Merseyside derbies. No Reds player in the history of the club has ever scored four in a row.

# Should he find the net Fernando will become the first Liverpool player in history to score in his first three Merseyside derby appearances. The only other man to achieve the feat in the derby was Gary Lineker who scored in all three meetings for Everton in 1985-86 (his only derby appearances).

# Torres is also aiming to become the first Liverpool player since Robbie Fowler in 1996 to score in three successive league games against Everton.

# Robbie Keane scored a hat-trick for Tottenham against Everton in January 2003 in his side's 4-3 win at White Hart Lane. He has found the net six times in league games against the Blues.

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Added on January 16, 2009, 12:59 ammy dad is evertonian.. haha

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Added on January 16, 2009, 1:01 amis he that good? i dont watch the bundesligue so i dont know

This post has been edited by harvster: Jan 16 2009, 01:01 AM

One of the wonderkids of the present. Plus, being a Brazilian, he naturally has enough flair to play like Agger. His age will also allow him to obtain a work permit with ease Come on Rafa, are you reading?!

haha.. but truth be told, i'd like to see a few more englishmen in our side... just in case the 6+5 rule comes to effect

its likely will!! wow... we are talking about a replacement already?

why every time i post and it didn't count? curious..

yep.. i'd like to see puyol in red. lol. but thats impossible i guess. haha

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Added on January 16, 2009, 2:44 amposts here dont count

This post has been edited by harvster: Jan 16 2009, 02:44 AM

but we had carra in that position,both of them got the same characteristics,my thought..

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Added on January 16, 2009, 2:53 amwho is this guy anyway? WTH is he doing here?

This post has been edited by torres7: Jan 16 2009, 02:53 AM

some irritated arsenal fan who just wants some attention coz he realised that his team aint gonna be in the top four, let alone the race.. other than that, he's noone important.

I'll be gutted to see Agger go. I really will be. The guy just oozes class and is exactly the kind of defender we need in our transition of becoming a credible attacking team. That run he did against Boro, IIRC, where he envisioned the attacking play, carried the ball all the way to the by line with such calm and confidence, before finally making the assist to Kuyt (or was it Keane?)'s goal. That kind of play and ability is rare, and one we have not seen in our team in decades. He also has few other memorable goals, the one against Chelsea during the semi was instrumental to our progression towards the final.

I can only guess the main issue is something in relation to the amount of playing time. It just occurred to me that since Carra seem to be undroppable, he is competing with Skrtel and Hypia for a position in the defense. Hypia's days are really numbered, but when it comes to experience and dealing with aerial combat, none of defenders come close to Hypia's superiority. As much as i prefer Agger to stay, you simply cannot ignore Hypia's usefulness, so im very much agree with Rafa when he chooses to deploy Hypia whenever it matters. Skrtel, in his relatively short time with us has become somesort of a Kop cult figure. He has the tenacity of Carra and the aggressiveness of Masc. Despite how he looks, he's actually a clever player and his passing ability is a lot better than both Carra and Hypia, but he is behind Agger when it comes to circulating the ball around and having the vision to suddenly surge forward supporting the attack. Basically, Skrtel was made for the EPL. Both him and Agger are great young talents and ones i see as the future pair in the heart of our defense. Skrtel is still a little raw but potentially can even be be a better defender than Agger. However, Agger, is already a better footballer, when in fit and in form, he is just as good as any of our defenders but its his ability to make a pass, surge forward and contribute goals that sets him apart from the rest. Basically, losing one or the other is a big blow to us.

The problem, imo is that all the first team CBs (Hypia included until im totally convinced his playing time has past him) have their own strength and weakness that warrant a place in the starting lineup.

Hypia is not going to play as many games as the rest and the amount will and has already decrease. Hypia aside, imo Carra, in terms of overall football abilities and physique, is arguably the weakest of the CBs, He has been playing quite poorly this season and has even conceded a couple of own goals. But he is both the Ayala and Pellegrino, a commanding figure who has organized our defense with valor and authority, and whose resilience and determination can only inspire even the bitter rival fans. Furthermore, being a Scouse, he truly represents the club through his roots and his defiance towards anything that undermines him or the club. How can you replace such a man ? Maybe in a few years but its almost impossible to even conjure the idea, even if it meant losing one of your better defenders. Sometimes, talent is simply not enough. Look at Arsenal and Spurs for example; Abundant of talent but hardly any resoluteness and prowess that is pivotal to their durability in the long run.

If either Skrtel and Agger can be as commanding and resilient as Carra then I feel its warrant to phase out Carra for what seems a far superior players. But i dont believe either of them can displace Carra just yet, and I will actually find it disrespectful of Agger if he thinks he is more important than Carra. Better footballer ? Yes. But a better Liverpool player ? No. Im a big fan of Agger and would like him to stay but Carra to me is Liverpool in flesh and blood - that no matter how dire the situation is, its never too late to make a difference. We may in fact find another talented young prospect and have Rafa train him to be another Agger (hopefully), but there is no way you can find as passionate and as fiery as Carra; undying loyalty cant be trained nor bought, its has to be born with.

If playing time is really the issue, I can understand Agger is thinking twice about his future and has the right to plan on his career as a footballer. Both him and Skrtel deserves to play top flight football week in week out. Being young and blessed with talents, they have no reason not to play, unless its tactical. I reckon its 3 years until we start seeing any significant decline in Carra's performance but 3 years can be long, especially what if in the end of the 3 years and Carra is still going strong? So worst case scenario, you might end up playing sparingly in one of the prestigious club in Europe, where its team is in a transition of becoming a frightening crushing machine, and a manager whom can and will make you a better player. Agger is nowhere near his peak years, imo, moving away will be the biggest mistake he will ever make.

It could be very well be money issue, but somehow i really doubt it, as i cant imagine him being anything similar to the likes of Gallas or Cole. Then again, from what i've read, Rafa setup the players' salaries where the bulf of the payment is based on appearance and performance, so maybe there could be a slight chance of Agger wanting a better salary. Agger, was an unknown talent when we first signed him, so im guessing his initial salary wasnt that impressive. If he wants an increase in salary, just bump it a little, he clearly deserves it as he has contributed to the team and is exactly the kind of player you want to have on your payroll. Agger has now own 2 restaurants in Liverpool. Somehow, this fact doesnt suggests that he's pressed for financial improvement, unless he's screwed up and desperate. To me, it actually suggests that he's grounded. To own establishments meant you are settled down and comfortable enough in investing your time and money in the local city.

Sorry for the long post, anyways i really hope this turns out to be a nothing news. The 7.5mil i believe is Agger's release clause, and unfortunately, is the number we will have to accept by law. Its no wonder why Rafa is insisting with more control in management! It will be ridiculous if Agger goes at this price. It be like Owen but without Nunez. If any club bids the amount, we have to allow them to talk to Agger and this is possibly what happened over the week when Agger's agent was sighted in Milan. I hope this was just a formality and the agent just merely enjoying a free lunch before politely telling them that Agger is red through and through, rather than making a deal with them. Seems a little awkward that they chose to meet at some lunch in Italy, if they wanted Agger that bad why not just fly down and meet him in person like when Rafa did with Masc. If the clause is true, then obviously, its all in Agger's hands now. Just tell em to piss off Agger lad! Here's hoping that its only someone in the media trying to stir shite up as they know about the clause and knows Liverpool is powerless to fend off any potential buyers unless Agger himself decides to stay with us.

This post has been edited by hfi: Jan 16 2009, 09:05 AM

Top post hfi!

I am surprise that people even slam a price tag on Agger, that's crazy.

The future pairing of CBs will be him and Skrtel with Carra slowly stepping down in 3-4 years time.

Can't we just pay what he wants at the moment to keep him? It will be a big mistake if we let him off.

It's that fooking agent of his i tell you. More pay for Agger equals bigger paycheck for him too. If he is hell bent on getting paid more, by all means go. Don't need one whose heart is not in it anymore.

tat's really ridiculous price for his quality.....even man city paying some 10mill pounds ++ for some craps player.....really do hate the agent for some of the payer tat always cause fuss for player itself just for more money for themself......

i was around, enjoying our title triumphs since late 70s...
fuyoo... i can be your dad too..

wait...is that you son? hahahahaha

if he wants to go, well im not sorry to see him go.
liverpool doesnt need players with attitude like his no matter how good he is.

we normally dont agree on Rafa and Liverpool's performances, hfi, but this time, i am with you on the Dagger situation

Defenders with confidence to take that few seconds after winning the ball at the back and transform a defence into attack with a pass, turn, dribble is very difficult to find nowadays. And these quality gets better with time. The future of Liverpool defence looks to be the elegance of Agger and the no nonsense of Martin, in mould of Hansen and Lawro. If Agger want to see himself becoming a better player, what better partner to have than Martin?

As for pay rise, i am not aware of Rafa designing the pay structure to be based on appearance. Whatever, relativity is important. What you earn has to be put into perspective of what others earn. Like what i posted earlier, how much do top EPL defenders earn weekly? And how `far behind' is Agger's pay from them?

But you know how i feel about Rafa sometime. After all the talk about agents, the stingy Americans, Agger's commitment, $, isnt Rafa the key person to hold everything together? I sympathies with Rafa..his health, Liverpool's title run, the pressure from press after the outburst and now this.... I just hope that Rafa will turn this Agger situation around. Get well soon!

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Added on January 16, 2009, 9:38 ami dont think Agger has shown any `attitude'? Just some delay on signing of contract, perhaps some unhappiness of not playing enough (isnt that a good thing, sign of hunger, or we prefer Wayne Bridge type who is happy to sit on a bench?. And a lot of words in the press are from his agents..

I dont think Agger has shown any disrespect to the club yet. Asking for payrise is not wrong. He hasnt criticise the club, manager, team mate and talk about the sunshine, pasta and hot models in Italy yet. Check out how guys like Hleb left Arsenal.




hmm....which makes me think..how many Liverpool players who left in almost their `prime' have done better elsewhere?

Keegan did quite well in HAmburg but he won more with Liverpool, Ray Clemence also did well with Spurs but he won too much with Liverpool...
maybe Stevie Mcmana....

This post has been edited by nando: Jan 16 2009, 09:45 AM