Cheers Popsoul:D

It seems illogical that Rafa will be content to see one of his better transfer coup and arguably his best defender to leave for merely 7mill. Thats only 2 mil profit for someone we could easily sell for twice the amount. This has to be triggered by Agger's release clause. If its not a release clause, then you would think there be a few clubs lining up for Agger. At 7.6mil its ridiculously cheap when you are getting: a good size and talented player, injuries corrected and paid in full by us, trained by one of the best coaches in Europe and most importantly played in a team that is notorious for its organized and team play. Surely thats a steal ? and no one else is coming in for him ? It has to be a release clause and when Milan made the bid it meant we automatically accepted the bid and consented them to deal with Agger unless Agger himself turn them down and stay with us. So Soccernet is right, we accepted the bid, but not that we had much choice.

Im not sure what the status with Agger on whether he is injured or is barred from playing as he didnt play against Stoke. What i know is that Rafa seems to normally freeze out a player and remove him from the bench altogether when he's decided that the player no longer has a future in the team. As i mentioned in previous post, players gets paid bonus from appearances and performances, this is why Pennant is never on the bench, we are merely cutting our costs. If Agger doesnt play this weekend, it should be quite telling.

shouldnt a release clause triggers massive interest?

This post has been edited by nando: Jan 16 2009, 10:03 AM

At the end of the day, guys, just remember, no one is bigger than the club - Liverpool F.C.

If we do sell Agger eventually and concede 5 goals every game and get ourselves relegated (touchwood), we will still stick behind the team and Liverpool F.C. will only allow players that truly want to play for the club to stay.

Now, I'm sure Rafa is experienced enough to do his job and he knows better than all of us here if Agger is worth to be kept. He has dealt with this plenty of times (Gerrard - Chelsea, Torres - Man City, Alonso - Juventus to name a few), so let's just wait and see in anticipation.

This post has been edited by blinky: Jan 16 2009, 10:15 AM

i was gutted and shellshocked when i saw sportscenter yesterday that agger could leave. I rate him highly and to sell him? omfg....... he's the next jan molby..... and to me, he's the best defender alongside Jamie in the starting line up. im hopeful that the transfer wont go through with the likes of sami hyppia aging soon.... im among those who believe that selling agger is not the right choice.

I dont have problems with Agger leaving if he is indeed an ungrateful money seeking primadonna. No one is bigger than the club. I only wish it is not due to stingy attitude of the club or lack of personal management skill.

Well the good thing is nothing happened yesterday. The next 24 hours will be crucial...

What is his attitude la? Hyped-up by Media and his agent demands to bring into a sale? That's pretty close to Gerrard's conduct for the Chelsea case. Rafa is the key to convince him and sit down for a discussion.

Tell me who is the best replacement for Carra & Hyypia years from now? Dagger a defender who dribble better than half of other BPL defenders, technically-gifted, strong physical presence, quick learner. 7.5M and we letting this talent off will eventually lead to greater loss in the current market. Ended up we will have to pay more in the future for some average CB.

Agree. Skrtel and Agger partnership, imo will bring our team defense and attack ability into another level. Both of the players are very comfortable with the ball and have decent passing ability, essential to our passing game. I like that they are both towering figures and athletically built so they are not easily bullied around, which also means they will be a menace in the opponents' box, only problem is that both still need to get more heading tips from Hypia. Both can tackle, and have decent pace (albeit Skrtel is faster than Agger i think). Clever players as in they are thinking players who can make good solid judgment without the need to be led like sheep, this count for a lot in the time where the team gets stucked and running out of ideas. So yeah, i think Agger-Skrtel partnership one for the future and a colossal defensive partner they be i bet.

Well, pay do play important aspect in football bro, these people play football for the money, i dont think any pro players would play the game if we suddenly stop paying them. IMO, money at the end of the day is still the single most powerful source for motivation. From what ive heard Agger wants a raise from 30k to 60k. Its a huge sum for a player who only just broke into the first team. I read somewhere that Rafa insisted on somewhat low weekly pay but vastly superior bonus is earned based on minutes appearing and team performance. It means the players would need to produce results and participate in a winning team to earn a substantial increase in income. Play well, you get paid well. Ofcourse it has it drawbacks, players who dont get the chance to play or not playing as much are going to complain because others are playing and getting more income. Could very well be why Babel and Benny complains when they dont get to play as often. Anyways, there's always cause and effect. You cant change or improve one thing without affecting other things. So if Agger gets 60k, Arbeloa can and should ask for the same equal treatment. At the end of the day, as people mentioned, its all about what the player want and their mentality. Rafa for one will be dissapointed with Agger as he Agger is his recruit and a player he felt had the right mentality to play for the club.

But i also will not be surprised by the total lack of progress from Parry and co in settling these issues. Remember Gerrard ? See how long its taking Rafa to get his contract sorted. Kuyt is another player whose cotract is also due if im not mistaken and still no news about it. Rafa wanted both these players contracts sorted couple months back.

then he should be seeking for a new agent instead of a new club.
as making petty stuff like this public, to me makes him look like a spoilt brat who just screams out to the world if he doesnt get his way.

anyway, this agger milan news has been around for more than a month.
there were already rumors back then that liverpool dont mind selling agger and getting heinze...

Yes anyone is free to bid during the open transfer window and i think we had few made but all refused presumably by Agger . So is it coincidental that suddenly now during the transfer window and contract negotiation, we suddenly Agger linked in moving away ? Maybe the agent is indeed playing hardball against the club and successfully baited Milan to trigger the clause in order to pressure our club to up our offer. How many times we've seen agents suddenly linking their players to our club but only to hear few days later from Rafa denying any interest in those players. While release clause can be cheap, its not always giving the buyer the advantage. For one, i dont think there can be a bidding war. Its a fixed fee, once met you must oblige by it. Its up to the player to agree to leave the club and accept the offer as he holds the ace of spade.

This post has been edited by hfi: Jan 16 2009, 10:52 AM

I'm with you that it is the replacement that is worrying. buy/sell players is business where eventually, there must be a replacement. It is not about D.agger leaving but the need to find a replacement like him that worries me. At what price? And as good?

I'm with Jon C on this one. We have not real insight into the actual situation but if he's being a selfish, greedy git who expects to be an automatic choice after just returning from and lenghty injury, then be off.

Why go to AC Milan? Hmmm well them being one of the giants of club football is defo a big plus. Hot women? Endless shopping? Life in general is much nicer than in gloomy England. Also, AC Milan have a reputation of playing a back four with the combined age of some football clubs. Jaap Stam? Paolo Maldini? Alessandro Costacurta? Franco Baresi? Serginho? Cafu? Leonardo? Just to name a few. Long term job security perhaps.

Looks like we've renewed our interest in Upson in light of Agger's impending departure.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/arti...0&in_page_id=43

I'm pretty much agreed with all the posters here. While its a big lost to the club in losing one of the best CB in Europe, & I'll be very sad to see him go, IF he's acting like some big time Charlie, then well be my guest just go. Like Seedorf said, it is understandable that fans feels sad that their player is leaving the club, as in case with Kaka situation, but still nothing concrete YET.
As far as I'm seeing the situation, there's won't be smoke without fire. Last time, I'm stuck in this kinda feeling is when God left us. But life goes on, players leave but Liverpool FC will remain forever.
You'll Never Walk Alone

Although I might get a lot of stick for saying this, but I was kinda hoping that we'd sign Joleon Lescott. I think that guy is class for an English defender.

This post has been edited by blinky: Jan 16 2009, 11:09 AM

i disagree withsome of you for calling agger money minded and greedy. when some top defenders earn up to 80k a week, and since all of us rate him very highly, then why is it that we complain when he asks to get a higher payment.. if u ask me, i think we are paying peanuts to agger. of coz im not implying we pay him 80k, but his current salary is about the same as when he joined the kop. hasn't he already esstablished the fact that he is a way better player when he was first bought? then doesn't that mean he deserves a better salary.. a demand around 60k is not too much in my opinion considering what other top defenders get.. but as i stated before in this thread, i think he will settle for between 45-50k for now.

Talking about clause, take a look at Kaka's clauses for MC deal. Think i saw it on local the sun on 1 page exclusive report for the brazilian.

Can't remember many but what makes me laugh are:

1. Sheikh Mansour must remain as owner for his tenancy.
2. MC must make into CL in two years time.
3. Robinho must stick with MC.

Well I personally won't go as far as to say that. Fowler had at the time already firmly entrenched himself in Liverpool folklore breaking scoring records while Agger has had one good season before injuries sidelined him. Many of us shed tears of sorrow when he left which was followed by tears of joy when he returned. I won't disrespect Fowler but putting Agger in his class

'The God's Prayer'
Our Fowler
Thou art is scoring
Robbie be they name
Thy transfer has been done
On a free as it is in January
Give us this day our favourite red
Alonso will give you the best passes
As Carra stops those who pass against us
Deliver us the title
And lead us not into relegation
For eleven is your number
Forever and ever
Our man

Won't get this unless your Christian.

One from Foxes will be back if Dagger gone.

i heard the radio news that agger now on talks with Milan director...
Agger is a good cb but i think rafa can find a really good replacement (IF AGGER LEAVE, HOPE NOT...)
But i think we need a good winger...

Glory Be:

Glory Be to the KOP,
to Shankly
and to Rafa!
As it was in 1892 and ever shall be CHAMPIONS forever!

I feel not so guilty now...I tot I m the only one spelled his name into weapon...

This post has been edited by solstice818: Jan 16 2009, 11:59 AM