hahahaha right if you put it in that sense i guess so XD btw is there a lot of chem in biomed? and whn are u graduating?
Life Sciences Biomedical science, come one come all
Life Sciences Biomedical science, come one come all
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Aug 12 2010, 11:01 PM
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hahahaha right if you put it in that sense i guess so XD btw is there a lot of chem in biomed? and whn are u graduating?
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Aug 12 2010, 11:02 PM
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haha... Yes.. Alot of chem, in my concern.. Haha.. Me graduating next year~
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Aug 12 2010, 11:11 PM
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i know definitely biochemistry is all about chemistry.
I always found biochem is a hardcore subjects to be scored, and guess what most 60% of medical students usually fail this subject=.=' what more if u major in this course? |
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Aug 12 2010, 11:57 PM
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wow
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Aug 13 2010, 10:47 PM
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Added on August 13, 2010, 10:49 pm QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jul 31 2010, 11:37 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Alright, the following are the answers for your questions: 1. The answer to "Traditional method of teaching medicine vs PBL method" have been elaborated by this guy here - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...25014126AAsF04H Most Indian medical colleges employ the traditional method of teaching medicine. 2. BSc.Biomedicine (hons) graduate are referred here in IMS as the lateral entries. I will not divulge the specifics of the graduate entry program here. However, I can say that it will take 4.5 years (including the compulsory housemanship period) for a BSc.Biomedicine (hons) holder to complete the entire MBBS program compared to the 5.5 years MBBS program for A-levels/STPM/Foundation holders. (not exactly 4-years like that of the Polish MD program, but I consider 4.5 years is short enough). Regarding the housemanship, Indian MBBS program have a compulsory 1-year housemanship period as part of the MBBS program, you will need to complete this before being allowed to graduate and get the MBBS degree (it is PART of the program which one cannot skip). Since it is part of the MBBS program, that particular 1-year housemanship in India will not be taken as part of the 2 years compulsory housemanship in Government hospitals, meaning, after graduating with the MBBS degree from IMS, one will have to do housemanship again for 2 years under the MOH. Just consider that one will get an extra 1-year housemanship experience during the MBBS program, besides IMS will not let you graduate without the completion of this housemanship. So, total housemanship period 1 year in India (under IMS MBBS program) + 2 years in Malaysia (under MOH) 3. Regarding the exams... first you will need to understand how Indian MBBS program work... as I mention before, there are three phases: - Phase I (MBBS-I), Subject are: Anatomy, Biochemistry, Physiology (duration is 1 year) - Phase 2 (MBBS-II), Subjects are: Pathology, Microbiology, Pharmacology, Forensic Medicine, (duration is 1.5 years) - Phase 3a (MBBS-III part1), Subjects are: ENT, Ophthalmology, Community Medicine (duration is 1 year) - Phase 3b (MBBS-III part 2/Final MBBS), Subjects are: Medicine, Surgery, OBG, Pediatrics (duration 1 year) - After passing all the above, compulsory Housemanship period will begin. (duration is 1 year) Clinical postings begin in phase 2 for every clinical subjects (Medicine, surgery, ortho, E.R, opthal, ENT, OBG, dental, dermatology, pediatrics, etc) Now moving on to your question, each of the phase will end with a PROFESSIONAL MBBS EXAMINATION, if a student fails this examination, the student may NOT proceed to the next phase and will be held back for 6 months and have to repeat the failed subject in the next professional exam along with his/her juniors. Passed subjects are however will not be required to be taken again during this period, only the failed subject must be re-taken. The maximum amount of repeats during the entire MBBS program (regardless of phase one is in) is TWICE. I take for example, - During MBBS-I, a student fails a subject and have to repeat the paper. (plus being delayed for another 6 months for each failure) - Should the student pass, he/she may proceeds to the next phase (MBBS-II), if then the student fails again in a particular subject in that phase, the student will have to repeat paper (this counts as twice). - After passing that paper, the student may proceed with the MBBS-III part 1 phase... IF he/she FAILS again in any paper for that phase - the student can say bye2 to MBBS program (termination of program) ~ ... a student can also say bye2 to the MBBS program if the student failed three times for a subject in a particular phase. (eg; fails three times in Anatomy - bye2 MBBS) ...Examples of subjects that are considered difficult with quite a number of failures are (from past observations): - Biochemistry - Pathology (very vast) - Pharmacology - Community medicine (also vast) Its stressful most of the time, insanely stressful a few weeks before professional exam - particularly when "delayed for 6 months for failing a subject, not to mention have to join juniors for the rest of the program" are constantly in mind. 4. I have not experienced PBL method employed in UK and Malaysia... so I don't know about that. I prefer studying alone. Group study just doesn't work for me. 5. Traffic is terrible in Bangalore... its an undeniable fact. I commute to college/hospital using motorcycle. Quite a number of the male students use motorcycles, none have car (so far). Most female students here will just use the college bus or the auto-rickshaw to commute to the college/hospital, some bought scooter and a few bought car. Malaysian driving license is invalid here, however, one can convert a Malaysian driving license to an Indian one. Good news is that; - there is NO road tax. - Indian driving license last for 20 years. Bad news is that; - Traffic suckss, - Road condition varies (from acceptable to terrible with pot holes, cows, animal excreta, people walking everywhere etc) - Fuel is very expensive (RM5.50+ /liter) - Traffic policemen are useless (almost) and most are corrupt. 6. As a student, it is not that often that we encounter corrupt practice since we rarely deal with the Indian government servants (police, etc), but corruption present and widespread in India (particularly when dealing with lower level government officers). So far, from my female classmates, they often complain of auto-rickshaw drivers trying to cheat them (excessive charge, etc) but they have become experienced enough by now to deal with such matters. I'd say that it is quite safe for a female foreigner walking around alone during daytime but I can't say the same for nighttime. Here in Bangalore, the Indian government impose a curfew rule after 12.00AM, no shops will be opened after this time and police will be patrolling the roads. The safety of the Malaysian students living under MSU-IMS apartments is well secured with well-confined area and around the clock security guards patrolling the apartments. ................................................................................................................................................................. As for traveling around, there isn't much time to do that. Our holidays are scarce, we would get 1-2 weeks of holidays in a year, and we would have to choose between spending that in Malaysia or traveling to some other places. However, we sometimes do travel to places nearby in the weekends particularly after some major internal assessment exams. If you are going for the IMS Bangalore interview on the 7th, you will be interviewed by either the IMS Dean himself or by his deputy dean and IMS Professors. Our dean is currently here in Bangalore and I have mentioned your interest to him yesterday. (below is our Dean) ![]() - Dean IMS: Dato' Dr.Abdul Gani Mohammed Din, Former Deputy Director General of Health Malaysia (Medical). If you do meet him for your interview, please send my regards to him~ ... by the way, I have identified you Ms.Na__la. ~ Hey hope things have been going well for you! Sorry for the really long absence. I've been having quite a hectic week, whats with my graduation ceremony and all, and that interview..all happening in the same week. Sad to say, I am now in a dilemma..about scholarship. Before the interview, when I was corresponding with Ms Anis about the MBBS program..I was under the impression that MARA scholarship will be automatically given to all students who pass the interview (I was a little bit surprised when you told me the interview shall be carried out by the MSU Dean/his Deputy/professors, and no MARA officials) However last saturday just before the interview, after consulting with Encik Marsal and Pn Norizah (she's the director of Counselling and Communications,MSU) I learned that this is not the case. Students hoping to enter this program who are not so fortunate as to be able to pay the required amount of fees for themselves shall have to seek the aid of sponsorship bodies on their own. Tell me, then, if this is the case.. did the hundreds of MSU students currently doing MBBS under MARA in Bangalore all have to seek sponsorship individually, before they enrol with the course? During the interview itself, I inquired about this..and was told that I can actually get some help from MSU to obtain sponsorship..if i know the right persons to approach. Problem is, I do not know to whom I should turn to. PTPTN loan is also available, but that will only cover half the expenses..this will not work for me. Maybe you can help? In case you're wondering, the interview went very well, although quite brief. I was interviewed by Dr Jamaludin, MSU Deputy-Dean. He was very friendly and helpful..I believe he's one of the nicest person I've ever met. And I'm not even gonna ask how on earth you come to identify me as such~ This post has been edited by jared88: Aug 13 2010, 10:54 PM |
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Aug 14 2010, 01:10 AM
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There are some students that applied individually for their MARA sponsorship but most of the students here got their sponsorship along with the program offer letter.
If possible, you should see the Dean of IMS (Dato' Dr.Gani) or MSU president himself (Dato Dr.Syukri Yajid) and explain to them your interest in the IMS program. You should also go to the MARA office in KL (basement floor) and inquire about the procedure to obtain sponsorship for the program, ask for the person in charge of handling MARA sponsorship for MSU-IMS. Do bring along all the relevant certificates/degree and if available, the offer letter for the MBBS program as well. They should be able to better explain this matter to you. How many were interviewed by the Deputy Dean (Dr.Jamaludin) the day you went there? What did he ask of you? This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Aug 14 2010, 01:18 AM |
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Aug 20 2010, 12:25 PM
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You mean those latter category got their MARA sponsorship automatically when they were accepted by the university? Something must've changed, coz this is no longer the case. Or maybe MSU students get this benefit but not an outsider like me, i don't really know. Anyway i got accepted into the program! Was told to retrieve the offer letter on August 28th. But it's not clear yet whether it's the India or local program for me. We were interviewed as one, the students applying for the offshore campus in India and local. There were quite a number of us, around 30 or so I should think. But I cant tell you specifically how many applied for MBBS India. Didn't have time to ask on that day as I had to rush back to Bangi for my convocation. Do you know much about the local MBBS program? I believe this program is new. Do the curriculum and course contents differ much from that in India? And there won't be the additional 1-year compulsory housemanship training, so the overall duration should be somewhat shorter I should think. I did contact MARA as soon as I got back from Shah Alam and was told I had missed the last date of scholarship application. I was quite baffled as I thought one should get the offer letter first and present it to them before being eligible to apply..but apparently, this is not the case. They have advised me to make an appeal. |
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Good that you've been accepted~ So far Biomedicine graduates were sent to India only (apart from Poland) for the medical program. You should inquire in detail as to which MBBS program (local or abroad) MSU is going to send you to. The local MBBS program in MSU has a different program structure than the Indian MBBS program. The local program does not include the 1-year compulsory internship prior to graduation, only the Indian program has it. (Local program 5-years straight, Indian program 4.5 years + 1 year compulsory internship) As I mentioned before, if you are joining the MSU's Indian MBBS program as a graduate, you will spend 4.5 years INCLUDING the compulsory 1-year internship. I am not sure if this is done in the local MBBS program (different program structure than that of the Indian MBBS program). Unless any changes are made in the near future, all I can say is that the shortest period you can get is 4.5 years (you will probably have to do 5-years for the local program). Here is some info: ![]() http://www.bangalorebaptisthospital.com/ http://www.msrmh.com/ However, it will cost RM100,000 less to do the program in Malaysia than in India. You have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages yourself either to join the local or the Indian MBBS program if given the option to choose. Exposure/experience-wise - we got the upper-hand on this (as previously elaborated by me before). If you are coming to Bangalore, here some interesting info: As for MARA, you should try to get the offer letter earlier if possible and it should state which MBBS program you are offered. Bring this to MARA office for the appeal process. Both MARA and MSU staff handling the sponsorship matter should be informed, ask for MSU's assistance on this as they can help you better. You mentioned that there were 30 students during the interview session, were they all Biomedicine graduates? Have any of your friends from UKM attended this interview? This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Aug 22 2010, 12:19 PM |
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Aug 25 2010, 12:45 PM
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I have just confirmed, and it's the local program i'm getting into. Apparently the India program is exclusively for MSU students, however they can help obtain a place for outsiders willing to enroll at their own expense/have already personally applied for scholarships. Whereas for the local program, MSU will be applying for MARA scholarship on our behalf in January (this is what Mr Marsal told me yesterday) The duration for the local MBBS program is also 4.5 years, as we will be joining the current 2nd-year students on admission. There are around 30 of us Grad-Entry students (I have a feeling all of us who went for the interview were accepted). Only 2 are outsiders (me and a UPM graduate), the others are all Biomedicine graduates of MSU, so they probably know each other already (nervous!! To be honest, I personally am more keen towards the India program and its structure. Seems that this won't work out for me though. Tell me, how many of your fellow grad-entry colleagues are non-MSU graduates? Thank you so much for all those useful inside information you've given me so far on Bangalore, but I guess I won't be needing it anymore You are most welcome to add anything that you deem relevant. Any testimonials from the local MBBS MSU students,perhaps.. Now I've just got to get my hands on the local MBBS program structure~ |
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QUOTE(jared88 @ Aug 25 2010, 12:45 PM) I have just confirmed, and it's the local program i'm getting into. Apparently the India program is exclusively for MSU students, however they can help obtain a place for outsiders willing to enroll at their own expense/have already personally applied for scholarships. Whereas for the local program, MSU will be applying for MARA scholarship on our behalf in January (this is what Mr Marsal told me yesterday) Any news about your plans? it has been 2 months already.The duration for the local MBBS program is also 4.5 years, as we will be joining the current 2nd-year students on admission. There are around 30 of us Grad-Entry students (I have a feeling all of us who went for the interview were accepted). Only 2 are outsiders (me and a UPM graduate), the others are all Biomedicine graduates of MSU, so they probably know each other already (nervous!! To be honest, I personally am more keen towards the India program and its structure. Seems that this won't work out for me though. Tell me, how many of your fellow grad-entry colleagues are non-MSU graduates? Thank you so much for all those useful inside information you've given me so far on Bangalore, but I guess I won't be needing it anymore You are most welcome to add anything that you deem relevant. Any testimonials from the local MBBS MSU students,perhaps.. Now I've just got to get my hands on the local MBBS program structure~ What have you decided? |
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Oct 29 2010, 04:04 PM
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i am doing phd (medical biochemistry) in university of newcastle, australia.
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Nov 14 2010, 08:51 PM
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is anyone here in the sales side of biomed?
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Dec 17 2010, 02:58 AM
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hi, i'm a biomedical student from IMU. i'll be starting my sem 2 next january. i would like to ask is there any recommended reference books for biochemistry and biotechnology? thanks..
Added on December 17, 2010, 3:00 am^biomedical science student This post has been edited by twinklygal: Dec 17 2010, 03:00 AM |
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Dec 17 2010, 03:10 AM
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For ALL biomedical students here, I highly recommend a book that will deliver you from your confusion during your studies:
Medical Laboratory Science: Theory & Practice Authors: Ochei J , Kolhatkar A ![]() - It contains all the subjects for MLT. Detailed explanation on the laboratory procedures. - It covers : Hematology, Blood banking Biochemistry, Microbiology, Virology, Parasitology, Histology, Histopathology, etc - Its very useful as a guide/reference for laboratory reports and assignment. - Its a MUST for any biomedical science student. I Quote: QUOTE Written in simple language, this book reflects the tremendous developments in the field of medical laboratory sciences in recent years. The book is divided into six sections. Each section is further comprehensively divided into chapters covering introduction to the section, basic principles and procedures of various scientific experiments and diagnostic tests, clinical significance of tests and the reporting and interpretation of test results. Balanced presentation of mathematical and physical aspects; Details the various new versions of reagent packaging; Each experiment ends with a sound clinical interpretation of test results - unique to the book ; Emphasises the theoretical aspects of various tests ; Profusely illustrated with figures [515 figures including over 60 photographs] and tables to simplify and further render the topics discussed easily comprehensible ; Includes a chapter on 'Small Laboratory Animals' - unique to the book. I have been using this book since 2004 and I highly recommend it, I am still using it now for my MBBS studies. You can get it from MPH. http://www.mphonline.com/books/nsearch.asp...e=9780074632239 Heed my advice O'biomedical students.... This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 17 2010, 03:14 AM |
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Dec 17 2010, 11:43 AM
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Can anyone tell me the diff between biomed and biochem?
Which college is better for biomed. What actually biomed do after graduate? |
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Dec 17 2010, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mjern @ Dec 17 2010, 11:43 AM) Can anyone tell me the diff between biomed and biochem? Try reading this entire topic from the beginning.... the answers to your questions can be found within this thread...Which college is better for biomed. What actually biomed do after graduate? This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 17 2010, 08:07 PM |
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Dec 18 2010, 12:25 PM
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Which college is good for biomedical?
A-Level or diploma or foundation if I want to take biomedical? |
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Dec 18 2010, 12:50 PM
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Er. I've heard those who did BioMed had a hard time finding employment in US/UK w/o a MSc. at least.
Also a hearsay,the pay of those(post docs.) in this field depends on the government's funding. Malaysia does seem to offer a lot of positions for grads. from this course at the moment. For years to come? Kindly correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Dec 18 2010, 02:16 PM
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Wow... this thread is "alive" again~!!
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Dec 19 2010, 03:59 PM
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Graduate Entry Medical Program (4-years MD) to be offered by Perdana University next year in Malaysia, read the following:
QUOTE Sunday December 19, 2010 New pathway for medicine By KAREN CHAPMAN educate@thestar.com.my THE setting up of the Perdana University Graduate School of Medicine will provide opportunities for individuals who decide to opt for medicine after they have completed a different undergraduate degree or pathway. Most students here who want to study medicine do so after completing the Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM), matriculation or its equivalent. Johns Hopkins University Department of Medicine vice chair Prof Charles Wiener said some 17-year-old students might not have decided on becoming doctors after finishing secondary school, so the option of a four-year doctor of medicine (MD) programme to be offered at Perdana University would be an alternative. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Source: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...1&sec=education This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 19 2010, 04:00 PM |
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