Same la..No offense but Im really confuse with IMU system. Biomedicine & biomedical also different

anyone can tell the different between these two?

hey, I just explain that in my previous post that I got it wrong~

U admit it after I my post..

by the way, anyone know about biomedicine association in Malaysia?

Other medicine related field got their boards and association but not Biomedicine.

This post has been edited by kurtkantoi: Jun 22 2010, 03:40 PM

Know.. I just realised...

Anyway, about the association, the proposal is still pending..

Well said! LOL

Yup, there are people working on that now, hope it will succeed

"What I want to do after this degree is to get a master oversea and work hard and does research on cancer.. oversea

I agree this is not a sought after course locally, but i believe someday a change is gonna happen. If we work hard enough."


I have the same interests as you! i'm a biomedical science student of ukm, soon to graduate in august. actually my original goal for taking up biomed is to continue with grad-entry medicine. i was told in my 1st year as a biomed student that i could do this by extending for another 2++ years. however,all the universities i've checked so far (overseas,we dont have grad-entry medicine yet anywhere in m'sia right?plz correct me if i'm wrong) has a minimum of 4yrs' course for grad-entry medicine. n now,i'm not sure if i should continue with this. i mean,to enter grad-entry med overseas,u need to sit for an exam. i'm pretty sure it'll be really hard, considering i wont know what to study for the exam. n some of the exams require a good knowledge in physics (from what i've gathered so far) and its been 6yrs since i studied physics in secondary school (i took biology in metrics). another problem is,i need scholarship from jpa/mara (i was a jpa scholar as biomed student) to be able to study overseas, but i'm not sure if a cgpa of 3.41 can make it.ndo u know anything about these scholarship requirements? plz help me if u do..

so i dont think i can go through with this 1st dream of mine (at least for now). n lately i was thinking, what about continuing my studies overseas to get a master's degree? because studying abroad is also one of my greatest wish. both my elder sisters got to study medicine in the uk&australia under scholarships, based on their spm&matriculation results. they were spm-takers batch '98 & 2000 respectively,it was a great deal easier to get through during those days. i was absolutely depressed when i didnt make it for the interview in 2005, when a good friend of mine with a slightly lower spm result than mine did. i guess it just wasn't meant to be.

so anyway, during my final year as a biomed student,i did a final year project research on cancer, and it really interests me. so now i'm thinking if i cant make it into medicine,why not fulfill that 2nd dream of mine?i would love to study in the europe (uk&germany are my preferences, but actually, anywhere will do), and getting a master's degree overseas and then proceeding with research on cancer would be great.

do you know how do i go through with this? how&where do i apply? what are the requirements? will my ukm biomed-graduate cgpa suffice to obtain a scholarship? i wont be able to do it without financial aid..n since you seem to have the same interests as me,i figured that you might just be the one to help me..

If you intend to do Masters or even PhD abroad - I suggest that you apply to renowned universities, once you get the offer letter, present it JPA/MARA and apply for a scholarship.

....or if you intend to do graduate-entry medicine, you can try to do the same as above.

Here is a suggestion for you, quite a number of graduate entry "bioperubatan" graduates (from MSU) doing their MD there (MARA students):

http://www.wum.edu.pl/wydzialy/2wl/english...ion/4_year.html

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 15 2010, 07:14 PM

thanks! but do we have students from m'sia who have already graduated from this med school? would it be recognised here? and do u know what are the entry requirements? i cant seem to find this information on the website..also, it would be of great help if u could introduce to me some of the students currently doing medicine there. and if you have anymore suggestions, maybe other renowned universities that you know of..would really appreciate it.

If you want to do masters, some well known universities... you can see from the link below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THES_%E2%80%9....28full_data.29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_tables...sh_universities

UK, Australia and some European countries offer graduate entry medical program to degree holders. Here is something for you to read:

http://www.hmetro.com.my/myMetro/articles/...rnegara/Article
http://presidentcollegekualalumpur.blogspo...-in-poland.html

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 16 2010, 05:58 AM

hey,thanx. now you've rly got me interested in the 4-yr grad-entry medicine in the Medical Uni of Warsaw,esp after reading your fellow msu students' testimonials. apparently it has a 3 to 1 chance of getting accepted, and that's good. it also does not require any specific entrance exams. however do you know the best way for me to contact the university, the person who handles applications? coz their website hasnt been updated since 2009, and the information posted there are barely enough to feed my curiosity..

i'm happy to learn that quite a number of malaysian students are currenty studying there. if MARA is willing to send that many students, than it must be recognised by our gov. I was hoping to apply for the 2010/2011 session, but seemingly the deadline of application was on the 30th of june..I missed it. but anyway i do not have the offical transcript and degree yet, it will only be awarded in august. do u know if there'll be any additional intakes for this session? otherwise i would have to wait until the next session in 2011..

another thing is that, physics&maths seem to be prerequisites to be accepted into this program, whereas i do not have both. these subjects were not included in my undergrad biomed curriculum..would that be a problem? if only i could contact some of those m'sian students studying there and ask..

thanx again and hope you're doing well in India!

Warsaw Medical University is recognized by the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC).
I don't think there is going to be any problem, biomedical science degree is a suitable degree for graduate entry medicine.

You could either try to inquire directly to MSU or to the Polish Embassy.

...you could also try IMU's Partner medical school pathway~ I quote from their website:

"...For University of Queensland or University of Warwick, student with a first degree on entry may transfer after 2½ years. Students without a first degree will have to spend another year to complete the IMU Bachelor of Medical Sciences (Hons) to be eligible to transfer.." - IMU

Read this carefully (IMU): http://www.imu.edu.my/partner-medical.html


... but based on my calculation, you will waste a lot more time in IMU-PMS pathway... I suggest you go with Poland graduate entry program...

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 16 2010, 11:41 PM

just curious, when u said that i could directly inquire to MSU.. do u mean that i can actually apply for the grad-entry programme through MSU? and then (in the case that i was offered a place) fly abroad with the other MSU students who were accepted, even though my 1st degree was not from MSU..is this possible?

You have a "Sarjana Muda Bioperubatan - UKM" which is the same as "Bachelor in Biomedicine - MSU".

We have diploma graduates (eg: Dip.Med.Lab.Technology) doing MBBS in India from various IPTAs, it may be possible for you to apply for the MD program in Poland via MSU. Alternatively, you may try India if you wish. (read the first few pages of the following link below)

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=889461&hl=

I've never actually asked about this to our Dean (Datuk Dr. Abdul Gani Mohammed Din), you could inquire this matter to MSU-International student exchange department (ISEP) or MSU-Internatianal Medical School (IMS) office.

MSU-IMS deals with graduates intending to study medicine in India (IMS Bangalore) like me, but our Dean also monitor other graduates studying in Poland (Warsaw Medical University) and Czech Republic (Charles University).

thanks for the info! i will try contacting MSU-IMS come monday, as the office is bound to be non-operational during weekends. wonder who I should ask to speak to, though. hopefully i haven't missed the application deadline..

If you are referring to IMS in Bangalore, intake will be around September - October.

Since you are also a BSc.Biomedicine holder, you could inquire about graduate entry medical program and its requirements from IMS office in Shah Alam, try and look for our dean (Datuk Dr. Abdul Gani) for more details.~

actually I was referring to the grad-entry program in Poland, that seems to be the best option for me right now..I'm a little skeptical if they'll accept me though. will just see how it turns out. any chance you might know when the intake for that program is?

For the graduate entry MD in Poland, I'm not sure about the intake date. There are three recognized Polish Medical Universities and all of these universities have the 4 years graduate entry medicine. For the other two universities, I suggest you inquire directly to the Polish embassy.

You may find the following interesting as well (just to provide you with more options):

http://www.acms.edu.my/portal/programmes-a...ree/md-ukm.html
(look at the entry requirements)

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 18 2010, 02:00 PM

I tried calling MSU-IMS office but they have moved someplace else..so i called the main office and got the extension number. I was asked to speak to a certain Encik Zaidi, however he's on leave today. Will try calling again tomorrow, hopefully he's in.

Btw, the ad for the ACMS-UKM MD program was actually in the NST last May, but I couldnt make the interview as my results were not out yet at the time..thanks anyway!

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Added on July 20, 2010, 7:37 pm
This morning my call was finally put through to Miss Anis, the person in charge for MSU-IMS programs. She explained quite a lot to me, and said that she wasn't sure if I could apply for grad-entry in Poland..she fears that MUW may not be comfortable with the fact that Biomedical Science courses in UKM is not totally english-based, unlike MSU. Also according to her, most of the students accepted into grad-entry has a primary degree in Medical Sciences, which is a better foundation for medicine compared to Biomedical Science. She asked me whether I'm interested in the program in India instead, as MSU has more control on that. I couldn't give a prompt reply as my heart has actually been set upon that program in Poland..however I said I'd think about it and get back to her tomorrow.

And since there's no better person to ask about this than you..how is it like doing grad-entry med in India? What is the learning environment like, is it too stressful? Are the staffs friendly? At present, how many M'sian students are there in yr/yr junior's batch? Do fill me in, and feel free to add anything that u think is relevant.

p/s can I please know yr name? she asked me who I got my information from, and it was a little bit awkward not to be able to provide her with a name..

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Added on July 22, 2010, 2:51 pm@ CyberSetan

Miss Anis told me today that chances are low for me to get into the Poland program..due to the syllabus being thought in the Biomedical Science program is different in UKM compared to MSU. She told me that I may stand a chance for the program in India, I'll have to attend the interview which will probably be on the 26th of july. I'll have to call her back to confirm this. There will also be an entrance exam.

I dont know what to think, I really thought I had a chance to apply for that program in Poland..what do you think? I did try to contact the Polish Embassy directly but apparently, their number is no longer in use..and so far I have not found any other alternatives to that number.

If I should decide to go for India MBBS..how will the interview be? What are the questions that they usually ask, what is the nature of their questions? And the entrance exam, how do I prepare for it?

I really hope you could help me out with this..

This post has been edited by jared88: Jul 22 2010, 02:51 PM

I'm sorry for the late reply, I've been busy this week. Below are the answers for your questions~

I do not know this Ms.Anis or Mr.Zaidi, the one I dealt with prior to going to IMS Bangalore was En.Mashal. Regardless, you can tell Ms.Anis that I am one of the "lateral entry students" from BSc.Biomedicine (Hons) program that was sent to IMS Bangalore, I will not reveal my identity here in this open forum.

- Staff members (management), Professors and lecturers here in MSU-IMS are helpful, one doesn't need an appointment to meet with them.. even the Dean/Deputy Dean. The management staff will help you in various matters from housing to immigration matters (VISA, Residential permit, etc)

- At present, I believe there are almost 500 students from First year to Final Year... and at present there are 58 BSc.Biomedicine graduates here in IMS-Bangalore.

- Entrance test... you as a Biomedical degree holder shouldn't have to go through that, that test is meant for Matriculation/STPM/A-levels/foundation program students, you on the other hand is a degree holder. If MSU intends to test you, the test should be related to your previous degree program (BSc.Bioperubatan).

- Interview process? I can't help you there since I didn't get to be interviewed, perhaps its because we are MSU graduates and we are familiar with MSU... Last time, the interviewers consisted of MSU-IMS dean and some professors from the school of Health Science.... by the way our Dean's name is Datuk Dr Abdul Gani Mohammed Din (former Deputy Director General of Medicine in MOH).


The MSU-IMS medical program @ Bangalore

Take Note - This info may no longer be valid for the latest batch of students (2010 and onwards) - There have been significant changes and modification to the MSU-IMS Bangalore MBBS curriculum, again do take note of this.

Regarding the MBBS program in IMS Bangalore, we study medicine via the traditional method (as with most Indian medical program) and not via problem based learning (PBL).

The program structure is like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_college_in_India

Program structure for MSU-IMS MBBS (Click below):



The study environment can be stressful at most of the time (if I say otherwise, I'd be lying to you, its medicine after all). All Indian MBBS program are 4.5years plus compulsory 1 year housemanship (total 5.5years).

- There are 3 phases in the Indian MBBS program. First phase (aka First MBBS), second phase (aka Second MBBS), third phase (consist of part-1 and part-2). Then comes the compulsory 1 year housemanship. If a student fails any of the subject within a particular phase, he/she will NOT be allowed to proceed to the next phase and have to repeat the exam again - exception in Third MBBS. (max repeat phase - twice for the entire program)

Clinical postings and theory classes

- Clinical postings begin at the second year (after passing the first MBBS professional exam).

- Clinical postings (for second and third MBBS students) and clinical lectures are conducted in hospitals (for third MBBS students). Theory classes are conducted in the the IMS campus (for first and second MBBS students).

- For me, morning is for clinical postings (surgery, medicine, ENT, OBG, etc..) - It starts from 9.00AM - 11.45AM (may differ). Clinical posting is where most of the clinical teachings are done (eg; history taking, clinical examinations, etc). On alternate days, there is the Community medicine subject/posting. Clinical postings include Saturdays as well.

- In the evening, theory classes starts at 1.00PM and ends at 5.00PM. The subjects taught in the evening will depend on which phase you are in.

- Currently there are three different hospitals for clinical postings. College Buses are provided for the students to go for their clinical postings.

Exposure and Hands-on training

- First year students get to dissect real human cadavers and can even get real human remains (skulls and bones) to bring back to their rooms for study (hey~ thats India for you~ ).









- I am currently satisfied with the level of exposure and training provided in IMS Bangalore. Hands-on training on patients begins at the second year onwards during clinical postings. One can examine patients all they want in the hospital. Lots of strange and rare cases can be seen here. You can even see lepers (leprosy) walking around in the streets even today in India.





The People, surroundings and climate

- There is a LOT of people in Bangalore. If you think KL is crowded, wait until you see Bangalore. There is a wide gap between the rich and the poor here. Some are extremely and pathetically poor - from these people, we often get rare medical cases that doesn't even exist anymore in Malaysia. Additional info - here - women will be seen doing construction work.

- People can be good (particularly the educated ones) and can be bad as well.Eg; some people here in Bangalore will take advantage of you, seeing that you are a foreigner and a new one at that (this is particularly true for auto rickshaw drivers). Corruption is rampant, some of the police will ask/hint for a bribe, although they are more cautious about this when dealing with foreigners.

- Beggars... there are a lot of them here... various kinds too... they some how can sense if you are new to Bangalore and will persistently follow you around until they get something out of you. There are even special type of beggars here in India, the "pondans" here often demand money from people - this is due to some belief that the Indians have that these "pondans" can cause misfortune if their demands are not met.

- The Indian men here, have the habit of urinating almost anywhere they like, its like nothing to them. They will even stop in the middle of a traffic jam and urinate on a wall or a tree with their backs facing the entire traffic in full view of everyone on the road. They don't care what wall or tree they piss on. Some of the building owners even put pictures of Hindu Gods, Christian cross or even Muslim symbols on their walls to prevent people from urinating on them.

- Traffic here in Bangalore, suckksssss... Really..... KL traffic is NOTHING compared to how terrible the traffic is in Bangalore. For your information - fuel cost is very high here in India - 1 Liter of Petrol will cost around RM5.50 (Malaysia only RM1.90)

- English is widely spoken amongst the educated here in Bangalore, not all Indians speak the same language, hence English or Hindi is used. All lectures in Indian medical colleges are conducted in English. The uneducated however, will not understand English.

- Surroundings... all I can say .... is dirty in most areas.

- Bangalore is rather a dusty place to live in compared to Malaysia and now will be entering the cold season (no snow though, but it is cold nonetheless). Cold season can cause your lips to crack - its not humid cold but dry and cold. Monsoon doesn't seem to effect much of Bangalore since it is situated far inland. Overall... weather is OK... not as hot as Malaysia...



Food and Housing

- Food is ok once you get use to them. Diarrhea is common for the first few weeks of eating the food here. Food is relatively cheap if you eat Indian food eg; Masala Dhosa, Idli, Chapati, Rasam, Sambar etc... honestly... I've never even heard of most of these food before coming here.... Raw material is cheap if you are planning on cooking everyday...

- MSU-IMS students are placed in one area (Gokula area). Students live in apartments (2 bedrooms to 3 bedrooms apt) on a sharing basis. The apartments are fully furnished (study tables, washing machine, water heater, TV, fridge etc). These apartments are managed by IMS. One room can accommodate 2 students, each paying around RM260/month. The electricity is separate from the rental charge but the water supply is FREE.

- Apartments are not within walking distance (although one can walk to the college - takes about 45 minutes). College buses are available in front of the apartment in the morning to carry the students to the college or to their respective hospitals.

- Additional info, read here:


http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_01.htm

http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_02.htm

http://www.tutor.com.my/tutor/dunia.asp?y=...if&pg=ps_03.htm


Medical Books and equipments

- Medical books are cheap here... Seriously...~ I take for example "Bailey & Love: Short Practice Of Surgery", here it cost only Rs2914 (RM215) with the standard price being USD128 (RM446).



- Even medical equipments are cheap - for example~ Wellch Allyn Ophthalmoscope and Otoscope junior set cost above USD400 (http://www.allmed.net/catalog/item/1,417,475,477), but here I got both for just USD245.



- Indian made medical equipments are cheap as well, my stethoscope cost me RM25 only and my mercurial sphygmomanometer (BP set) cost me RM70 ~ Both are reliable nonetheless~

- The following is my suturing practice board and my very own microscope (hobby):










.... though I'd like to show more pictures, there is a limit in this forum as to how much picture I can upload per post~
Any inquiries~ do ask~

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Apr 7 2012, 12:21 AM

Thanx a lot for that long, helpful reply! It did answer most of my questions, however it also landed me with some others:

- When you said that medical colleges in India uses the traditional method in teaching instead of PBL..how exactly is it done? Could you please clarify on this?

- When you said that all MBBS in India have a total of 5.5 yrs' duration of study, does this include Grad-entry program? I thought it was supposed to be 4 years, inclusive of that compulsory 1-year housemanship. And after completing this, do we still need to do 2 yrs' housemanship when back in Msia? So that it'll be a total of 3yrs, is this correct?

- About the exams, do you often see students failing a particular exam and having to repeat it? What do you mean by max repeat phase being twice for the entire program? In what circumstances would one be required to repeat a whole year? And by stressful, I hope you dont mean insanely so..

- With India's teaching methods being somewhat different from that in the UK and even Msia, what would you say is the best study method to employ? How do you personally study for exams..do you have study groups or do you guys study by yourselves?

- Seeing as how bad the traffic condition is in Bangalore, what is your preferred daily mode of transport? The bus is only available in the mornings right, so what if class starts in the afternoon/evening? Guys probably have motorcycles to solve this problem, but what about the girls?

- As much as yr various photographs of skulls and bones almost spooked me, I am more worried of the foreigner-stalking and corruptions going on in Bangalore..is it really that bad? For instance, if I were to walk alone through town on an errand at some point in time..would you say I'd be safe (being a female and all)? To what extent can you rely on the security there?

Its nice to know that the prices for medical equipments there are quite affordable. This is a pleasant change compared to how the economy now stands in Msia. Since you must undeniably have saved a lot of money because of this..have you @ any of yr friends ever had the opportunity to do some travelling? Not just throughout India, but maybe, overseas? (remember my 2nd dream? )
But then again, maybe you do not have the time to do so, even if money is not a problem.

Think that's all for now..shouldn't be asking too much since my place hasn't even been confirmed yet! BTW, the interview will be on the 7th. I'm quite nervous as I've never been to an interview before. Wish me luck!