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CyberSetan
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 Jul 30 2010, 10:18 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(jared88 @ Jul 29 2010, 03:48 PM) Thanx a lot for that long, helpful reply! It did answer most of my questions, however it also landed me with some others: - When you said that medical colleges in India uses the traditional method in teaching instead of PBL..how exactly is it done? Could you please clarify on this? - When you said that all MBBS in India have a total of 5.5 yrs' duration of study, does this include Grad-entry program? I thought it was supposed to be 4 years, inclusive of that compulsory 1-year housemanship. And after completing this, do we still need to do 2 yrs' housemanship when back in Msia? So that it'll be a total of 3yrs, is this correct? - About the exams, do you often see students failing a particular exam and having to repeat it? What do you mean by max repeat phase being twice for the entire program? In what circumstances would one be required to repeat a whole year? And by stressful, I hope you dont mean insanely so..  - With India's teaching methods being somewhat different from that in the UK and even Msia, what would you say is the best study method to employ? How do you personally study for exams..do you have study groups or do you guys study by yourselves? - Seeing as how bad the traffic condition is in Bangalore, what is your preferred daily mode of transport? The bus is only available in the mornings right, so what if class starts in the afternoon/evening? Guys probably have motorcycles to solve this problem, but what about the girls? - As much as yr various photographs of skulls and bones almost spooked me, I am more worried of the foreigner-stalking and corruptions going on in Bangalore..is it really that bad? For instance, if I were to walk alone through town on an errand at some point in time..would you say I'd be safe (being a female and all)? To what extent can you rely on the security there? Its nice to know that the prices for medical equipments there are quite affordable. This is a pleasant change compared to how the economy now stands in Msia. Since you must undeniably have saved a lot of money because of this..have you @ any of yr friends ever had the opportunity to do some travelling? Not just throughout India, but maybe, overseas? (remember my 2nd dream?  ) But then again, maybe you do not have the time to do so, even if money is not a problem. Think that's all for now..shouldn't be asking too much since my place hasn't even been confirmed yet! BTW, the interview will be on the 7th. I'm quite nervous as I've never been to an interview before. Wish me luck!  I'm a bit busy right now~ I'll answer your questions on Saturday~  |
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jared88
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Jul 31 2010, 12:10 AM
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It's ok, that's quite understandable  |
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CyberSetan
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 Jul 31 2010, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(jared88 @ Jul 31 2010, 12:10 AM) It's ok, that's quite understandable » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(jared88 @ Jul 29 2010, 03:48 PM) Thanx a lot for that long, helpful reply! It did answer most of my questions, however it also landed me with some others: - When you said that medical colleges in India uses the traditional method in teaching instead of PBL..how exactly is it done? Could you please clarify on this? - When you said that all MBBS in India have a total of 5.5 yrs' duration of study, does this include Grad-entry program? I thought it was supposed to be 4 years, inclusive of that compulsory 1-year housemanship. And after completing this, do we still need to do 2 yrs' housemanship when back in Msia? So that it'll be a total of 3yrs, is this correct? - About the exams, do you often see students failing a particular exam and having to repeat it? What do you mean by max repeat phase being twice for the entire program? In what circumstances would one be required to repeat a whole year? And by stressful, I hope you dont mean insanely so.. - With India's teaching methods being somewhat different from that in the UK and even Msia, what would you say is the best study method to employ? How do you personally study for exams..do you have study groups or do you guys study by yourselves? - Seeing as how bad the traffic condition is in Bangalore, what is your preferred daily mode of transport? The bus is only available in the mornings right, so what if class starts in the afternoon/evening? Guys probably have motorcycles to solve this problem, but what about the girls? - As much as yr various photographs of skulls and bones almost spooked me, I am more worried of the foreigner-stalking and corruptions going on in Bangalore..is it really that bad? For instance, if I were to walk alone through town on an errand at some point in time..would you say I'd be safe (being a female and all)? To what extent can you rely on the security there? Its nice to know that the prices for medical equipments there are quite affordable. This is a pleasant change compared to how the economy now stands in Msia. Since you must undeniably have saved a lot of money because of this..have you @ any of yr friends ever had the opportunity to do some travelling? Not just throughout India, but maybe, overseas? (remember my 2nd dream? ) But then again, maybe you do not have the time to do so, even if money is not a problem. Think that's all for now..shouldn't be asking too much since my place hasn't even been confirmed yet! BTW, the interview will be on the 7th. I'm quite nervous as I've never been to an interview before. Wish me luck! Alright, the following are the answers for your questions:
1. The answer to "Traditional method of teaching medicine vs PBL method" have been elaborated by this guy here - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...25014126AAsF04H
Most Indian medical colleges employ the traditional method of teaching medicine.2. BSc.Biomedicine (hons) graduate are referred here in IMS as the lateral entries. I will not divulge the specifics of the graduate entry program here.
However, I can say that it will take 4.5 years (including the compulsory housemanship period) for a BSc.Biomedicine (hons) holder to complete the entire MBBS program compared to the 5.5 years MBBS program for A-levels/STPM/Foundation holders. (not exactly 4-years like that of the Polish MD program, but I consider 4.5 years is short enough).
Regarding the housemanship, Indian MBBS program have a compulsory 1-year housemanship period as part of the MBBS program, you will need to complete this before being allowed to graduate and get the MBBS degree (it is PART of the program which one cannot skip).
Since it is part of the MBBS program, that particular 1-year housemanship in India will not be taken as part of the 2 years compulsory housemanship in Government hospitals, meaning, after graduating with the MBBS degree from IMS, one will have to do housemanship again for 2 years under the MOH.
Just consider that one will get an extra 1-year housemanship experience during the MBBS program, besides IMS will not let you graduate without the completion of this housemanship. So, total housemanship period 1 year in India (under IMS MBBS program) + 2 years in Malaysia (under MOH)3. Regarding the exams... first you will need to understand how Indian MBBS program work... as I mention before, there are three phases:
- Phase I (MBBS-I), Subject are: Anatomy, Biochemistry, Physiology (duration is 1 year)
- Phase 2 (MBBS-II), Subjects are: Pathology, Microbiology, Pharmacology, Forensic Medicine, (duration is 1.5 years)
- Phase 3a (MBBS-III part1), Subjects are: ENT, Ophthalmology, Community Medicine (duration is 1 year)
- Phase 3b (MBBS-III part 2/Final MBBS), Subjects are: Medicine, Surgery, OBG, Pediatrics (duration 1 year)
- After passing all the above, compulsory Housemanship period will begin. (duration is 1 year)
Clinical postings begin in phase 2 for every clinical subjects (Medicine, surgery, ortho, E.R, opthal, ENT, OBG, dental, dermatology, pediatrics, etc)
Now moving on to your question, each of the phase will end with a PROFESSIONAL MBBS EXAMINATION, if a student fails this examination, the student may NOT proceed to the next phase and will be held back for 6 months and have to repeat the failed subject in the next professional exam along with his/her juniors. Passed subjects are however will not be required to be taken again during this period, only the failed subject must be re-taken.
The maximum amount of repeats during the entire MBBS program (regardless of phase one is in) is TWICE.
I take for example,
- During MBBS-I, a student fails a subject and have to repeat the paper. (plus being delayed for another 6 months for each failure)
- Should the student pass, he/she may proceeds to the next phase (MBBS-II), if then the student fails again in a particular subject in that phase, the student will have to repeat paper (this counts as twice).
- After passing that paper, the student may proceed with the MBBS-III part 1 phase... IF he/she FAILS again in any paper for that phase - the student can say bye2 to MBBS program (termination of program) ~ 
... a student can also say bye2 to the MBBS program if the student failed three times for a subject in a particular phase. (eg; fails three times in Anatomy - bye2 MBBS)
...Examples of subjects that are considered difficult with quite a number of failures are (from past observations):
- Biochemistry
- Pathology (very vast)
- Pharmacology
- Community medicine (also vast)
Its stressful most of the time, insanely stressful a few weeks before professional exam - particularly when "delayed for 6 months for failing a subject, not to mention have to join juniors for the rest of the program" are constantly in mind.4. I have not experienced PBL method employed in UK and Malaysia... so I don't know about that. I prefer studying alone. Group study just doesn't work for me.5. Traffic is terrible in Bangalore... its an undeniable fact. I commute to college/hospital using motorcycle. Quite a number of the male students use motorcycles, none have car (so far).
Most female students here will just use the college bus or the auto-rickshaw to commute to the college/hospital, some bought scooter and a few bought car.
Malaysian driving license is invalid here, however, one can convert a Malaysian driving license to an Indian one.
Good news is that;
- there is NO road tax.
- Indian driving license last for 20 years.
Bad news is that;
- Traffic suckss,
- Road condition varies (from acceptable to terrible with pot holes, cows, animal excreta, people walking everywhere etc)
- Fuel is very expensive (RM5.50+ /liter)
- Traffic policemen are useless (almost) and most are corrupt.
6. As a student, it is not that often that we encounter corrupt practice since we rarely deal with the Indian government servants (police, etc), but corruption present and widespread in India (particularly when dealing with lower level government officers).
So far, from my female classmates, they often complain of auto-rickshaw drivers trying to cheat them (excessive charge, etc) but they have become experienced enough by now to deal with such matters. I'd say that it is quite safe for a female foreigner walking around alone during daytime but I can't say the same for nighttime. Here in Bangalore, the Indian government impose a curfew rule after 12.00AM, no shops will be opened after this time and police will be patrolling the roads.
The safety of the Malaysian students living under MSU-IMS apartments is well secured with well-confined area and around the clock security guards patrolling the apartments.
................................................................................................................................................................. As for traveling around, there isn't much time to do that. Our holidays are scarce, we would get 1-2 weeks of holidays in a year, and we would have to choose between spending that in Malaysia or traveling to some other places. However, we sometimes do travel to places nearby in the weekends particularly after some major internal assessment exams.
If you are going for the IMS Bangalore interview on the 7th, you will be interviewed by either the IMS Dean himself or by his deputy dean and IMS Professors. Our dean is currently here in Bangalore and I have mentioned your interest to him yesterday. (below is our Dean)
- Dean IMS: Dato' Dr.Abdul Gani Mohammed Din, Former Deputy Director General of Health Malaysia (Medical).
If you do meet him for your interview, please send my regards to him~
... by the way, I have identified you Ms.Na__la. ~
This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 31 2010, 11:48 PM |
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stinkbomb
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Aug 9 2010, 01:04 AM
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hey ppl of this thread. im currently doing my a levels and am considering biomed for my degree level studies. imu and msu which would be bttr? also wht other universities(private) offer biomed?
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Hikari0307
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Aug 9 2010, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(stinkbomb @ Aug 9 2010, 01:04 AM) hey ppl of this thread. im currently doing my a levels and am considering biomed for my degree level studies. imu and msu which would be bttr? also wht other universities(private) offer biomed? hum I don't know much about the two and I'm not a biomed student so I can't say much. Taylor's has a twinning with UQ though you would have to transfer to UQ after two years to complete either Bachelor of Biomedical Science 2+2 Bachelor of Science (Biomedical Science) 2+1 http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/bio/bio_landing.php?id=110hum is this considered biomed as well? http://www.monash.edu.my/advancement/study...edical-bio.html |
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adrian1984
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Aug 9 2010, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE(stinkbomb @ Aug 9 2010, 01:04 AM) hey ppl of this thread. im currently doing my a levels and am considering biomed for my degree level studies. imu and msu which would be bttr? also wht other universities(private) offer biomed? I think imu is more well established... not much friend from msu so couldnt comment much... why u want to do biomed? |
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TSn_n
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Aug 9 2010, 09:25 AM
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i am from IMU.. for specific questions... you can ask me..... final year student
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stinkbomb
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Aug 9 2010, 09:44 PM
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Well yeah i wana do biomed coz bio seems to be the better subject for me among the othr science subjects i take(phy&chem). Although my chem is rather weak.  haha taylors and imu are sorta out of my budget. What other universities offer biomedical courses(that have resonable fees)? Owh "n_n" how would u say the course has been treating you so far? and how much have you paid in total for your course at imu? |
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TSn_n
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Aug 9 2010, 10:11 PM
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@stinkbomb...,
msu and utar are other choices that I know of.
The course, honestly speaking coz I am the first bath of student. We tend to be the "guinea pigs" haha.. All in all, there are lotsa good things and bad...depending on individuals and style of learning. IMU, I must say, I went through shit when I was sem 1-3.. Very busy and lots of things to do. Sem 5 onwards.. It is more lax-ed. I would explain more if you ask more specific questions on what you wana know..
As for fee.. I am not very sure. It seemed like there is a raise in fee... mine was around 80k. for 6 sems. The new batch had to pay more...
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stinkbomb
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Aug 9 2010, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(n_n @ Aug 9 2010, 10:11 PM) @stinkbomb..., msu and utar are other choices that I know of. The course, honestly speaking coz I am the first bath of student. We tend to be the "guinea pigs" haha.. All in all, there are lotsa good things and bad...depending on individuals and style of learning. IMU, I must say, I went through shit when I was sem 1-3.. Very busy and lots of things to do. Sem 5 onwards.. It is more lax-ed. I would explain more if you ask more specific questions on what you wana know.. As for fee.. I am not very sure. It seemed like there is a raise in fee... mine was around 80k. for 6 sems. The new batch had to pay more... oouu i thought it gets some what tougher as you proceed? do you know anyone doin biomed at msu or utar? owh yeah how are u assessed ? always wanted to know. And do you have a rough idea what you're gona do after your course? |
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TSn_n
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Aug 9 2010, 10:35 PM
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Yes... only more free timetable. But workload are still the same.... What I meant "easier" is only... time spent in uni is less... haha... http://www.facebook.com/iris.r.gowenly?v=w...67753211&ref=tsGo to this FB site I set up.. You can meet different people from malaysia from different uni. Then you can get more insights. We are mostly assessed on 70% exam and 30% coursework (which include report assignments and class tests). As for future... I might just further on my studies up to PhD and maybe be a lecturer...
Added on August 9, 2010, 10:38 pmanyway, it will be beneficial for you too if you read this post from the front page onwards.... Get to know more.. This post has been edited by n_n: Aug 9 2010, 10:38 PM |
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stinkbomb
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Aug 9 2010, 10:47 PM
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thx that fb group is rather useful. btw you guys dnt have presentations n stuff like tht? o.O? wht wud you do between your degree and phd? cz i here thats whr most ppl suffer and end up doin other jobs to sustain their masters or smthn like tht
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CyberSetan
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Aug 9 2010, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(stinkbomb @ Aug 9 2010, 10:30 PM) oouu i thought it gets some what tougher as you proceed? do you know anyone doin biomed at msu or utar? owh yeah how are u assessed ? always wanted to know. And do you have a rough idea what you're gona do after your course? You apparently haven't read the entire thread~
Added on August 10, 2010, 12:45 am» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 16 2009, 12:25 AM) what..!? why were you only observing them doing the lab tests? Which government hospital were you posted for training? Only observing and doing nothing for the entire duration of the "lab training" is pathetic for a Biomedical/Medical Laboratory student, that literally defeats the idea of " Hands-On" training... When I went for my training in Likas Hospital in Sabah, I was expected to do ALL the routine laboratory tests available in all the sub-departments in the Pathology lab... I mean REALLY do the tests from morning (8.30am) to evening (4.30pm)... very tiring though... The supervising MLTs taught me how to properly conduct lab tests, file proper lab results and taught me to operate the delicate diagnostic equipments (eg; Axysm, Olympus Biochem analysis machine, etc). After a few days, I was doing all the tests on my own without further instruction/strict supervision from the MLTs... Here are some pics during my lab training: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « And on weekends, I am required to join the Hospital's blood donation campaign all over KK and conduct on-spot blood grouping and hemoglobin tests on hundreds of blood donors. I enjoyed poking needles in other peoples' finger a lot... many different people, many different behaviors, quite fun and amusing really~~  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I like Biomedical science and I like lab work~ now that I'm doing medicine, my goal would most likely be to become a Pathologist. If you dislike Biomed course, why didn't you quit during your first year? You could reapply the UPU and fill it with non-science course, or appeal to the Dean to change course? QUOTE(n_n @ May 16 2009, 11:15 AM) Thanks Thanks cybersetan for clarification of things!! I am glad you enjoyed it.. Eventhough i am only in my sem 2.. i did see the significance of this course. and i do love it! ...and to n_n, you did your practical training already or not? I STRONGLY suggest you find a Govt. hospital lab for your training. Find a major hospital if you can. Do all you can, call whoever as long as you get a place in a govt. hospital laboratory. They got the resources to provide you with "hands-on" training, you can practice all you want there, even do "overtime" if you wish. This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Aug 10 2010, 12:45 AM |
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TSn_n
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Aug 10 2010, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(stinkbomb @ Aug 9 2010, 10:47 PM) thx that fb group is rather useful. btw you guys dnt have presentations n stuff like tht? o.O? wht wud you do between your degree and phd? cz i here thats whr most ppl suffer and end up doin other jobs to sustain their masters or smthn like tht Haha... Thanks~ !!.. Yeap we do have presentation and stuff.. It is under coursework... Well, yea, I do thought about that consequences. But I am like.. Y not.. I had taken this path.. Might as well take whatever that comes in my way. In between degree and PhD.. maybe just work alil part time in some labs.... I couldnt expect much with a degree in malaysia... QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Aug 9 2010, 11:41 PM) You apparently haven't read the entire thread~
Added on August 10, 2010, 12:45 am» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ...and to n_n, you did your practical training already or not? I STRONGLY suggest you find a Govt. hospital lab for your training. Find a major hospital if you can. Do all you can, call whoever as long as you get a place in a govt. hospital laboratory. They got the resources to provide you with "hands-on" training, you can practice all you want there, even do "overtime" if you wish. Hey, they thing about IMU, they don't let us to choose where we want to go for our practical training. They arranged for us. I am doing mine in Lablink KPJ gp... O.o... I do wish to work in a hospital tho..  |
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stinkbomb
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Aug 10 2010, 08:56 PM
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oouu "cybersetan" u're frm msu... hw'd u rate ur experience there on a scale of 1-10? btw do u knw about the lodging there ? hw much a month/sem?
n_n so you can jump to phd without going through masters?
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TSn_n
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Aug 10 2010, 08:58 PM
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haha.. I mean I will further till PhD..... Yes if you are very good in some cases you can skip masters... BUt I do not advice anyone to do that
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stinkbomb
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Aug 10 2010, 09:02 PM
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hmmm so u cn jump. cz i read in the papers recently sum really young girl who completed her phd. wow
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TSn_n
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Aug 10 2010, 09:03 PM
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yea... can.... but with less experience of course...
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stinkbomb
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Aug 10 2010, 09:07 PM
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hahahah bt if you can get phd thn experience isn't much of a requirement for you as such no? u could be a professor which i heard is the highest paying job for someone building a biomed career(correct me if i'm wrong).
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TSn_n
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Aug 12 2010, 09:29 AM
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haha..... you think so? I have alot of lecturers who skipped their masters and their not as good as it seemed.. XP...
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